[04:18:47] here we go again. road closed [05:24:23] hehe, how to handle science deniers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-3ACWenNIQ [06:14:16] siren [06:21:33] same thing as yesterday [06:22:30] at least it looked like that to me [07:36:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:03:58] siren again [08:13:55] done [08:14:44] looked like a perfectly fine static fire [08:20:08] Aaw I missed it [08:20:23] Glad it worked [08:20:33] .nextlunch [08:20:33] Lasagna [09:50:57] Althego: oh noes, I missed it [09:51:26] luckily the internet keeps archives [09:51:36] it is only interesting in live if it fails [09:51:46] like it did several times previously with the explosions [09:55:34] no, this is also exciting, because it means we will see a flight soon :) [09:57:34] soon in elon time [09:57:38] i guess next week soonest [09:57:43] they have to mount the nose cone [09:57:52] probably do tests with the assembled ship [09:57:56] and only then [10:30:37] I can't see them getting the sky-dive manoeuvre right first time [10:31:25] that is why there is an sn9 and 10 in the works already [10:31:46] as alon said: if sn8 craters [10:31:56] I can imagine they'll be able to keep it steady, but perhaps not aimed exactly right, but the part where it goes vertical will likely fail. [10:32:10] It'll be a fabulous show :) [10:32:18] i am not really afraid of the skydice [10:32:28] the problem is at the end where it has to flip 90 degrees [10:32:32] and land [10:32:37] Skydive will work - it's neutrally stable [10:32:47] Yes, exactly [10:33:08] supposedly most of the torque comes from the raptors [10:33:13] not the rcs [10:33:21] But the hard part with the skydive is not merely remaining stable, it's also aiming the ship to the correct location for the flip [10:33:22] so it will have the power [10:33:35] but no rocket has ever done this before [10:34:03] Looking forward to it, for sure [10:34:20] also probably higher than 1 twr too [10:34:29] so there is hardly any room for errors [10:35:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:35:54] It'll have loads of thrust at that point, no? Empty of fuel for the most part [10:36:00] doing a suicide burn while also doing a flip [10:36:39] that is the problem, too high thrust. if velocity or position is off it will slam into the ground or start to go up again and falls back from there [10:36:51] Yeah... [10:37:04] same problem with falcon 9, but at least that is a normal landing [10:37:04] They aren't going to land on 1? [10:37:10] hmm [10:37:15] maybe [10:37:18] that could help [10:37:21] or not [10:38:12] or 2 [10:42:29] They actually haven't had any failures in flight or landing yet, right? [10:43:33] Burst tanks and a few Raptor issues, some landing leg issues, all on the ground, and the landing leg issues were not catastrophic failures [10:44:13] So Starship flight and landing record is actually 100 percent success so far [11:00:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Mostly_Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:02:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:31:20] chanlog [12:37:38] Judge_Dedd: it's all about the PID controllers and if they are configured correctly. [12:37:51] If they are I see them having a successful flight and landing. [12:38:02] And they are doing many many tests right now with the setup [12:38:03] What is PID? [12:38:11] tests = simulations [12:38:21] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller [12:38:27] the stuff that makes the world go round today :D [12:38:51] It's just a way how you control control loops [12:38:59] Ah I see [12:39:13] or better: Set up control loops [12:39:31] I've built myself one once for KSP in kOS. But I hated kOS too much to do more things with it. [13:06:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:50:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7BucUAuC7s <- precision rocket engineering [13:55:31] hehe [13:55:33] completely legit [13:55:58] i was moving 3 T machines with less than a mm precision with wooden beams like this [13:58:30] FLHerne, more of the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1U4WH6QUBw [14:58:42] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Mostly_Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:52:34] for free https://www.gog.com/game/europa_universalis_ii [15:54:12] Althego: wanna see a stupid hot take [15:54:24] maybe a hot cake? [15:54:34] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iKJ3vxx4/Screenshot_20201020-090818_Reddit.jpg [15:55:10] it is the first reusable [15:55:24] that may or may not make it more important [15:55:30] nah [15:55:49] first rocket to land humans on foreign body [15:56:32] saturn v, and everything with the apolo program is far greater achievement [15:56:42] yep [15:56:53] but the importance is a different thing [15:57:03] nah [15:57:40] Saturn V and Apollo hold much more importance than F9 can ever have [15:57:57] saturn v is basically a one off [15:58:14] for the long run falcon 9 may be more important [15:58:21] the technologies it spawned sure as hell arent [15:58:33] but as i said, still the moon landing is the biggest achievement ever [15:58:37] each rocket dropped into the ocean increases the sea level ;) (not measurebly much, though, I imagine) [15:58:50] F9 uses technologies created for Saturn V [15:59:33] not directly [15:59:44] but then everything is because of v2 [16:00:01] Okay, F9 uses LEM technologies [16:03:05] I'd say it gets increasingly difficult to attribute influences over time. shoulders of giants and all that. there probably wouldn't be any rockets without discovery of black powder and fire, anyway [16:04:06] even falcon 9 is just an intermediate solution [16:04:34] originally there were plans for full reusability [16:04:43] but then elon decided to focus on starship isntead [16:04:44] I hope rockets are just an intermediate solution ;) [16:04:59] yes, we all need docking port levitator ufos [16:05:11] but it doesn't look like any great break-throughs are to be expected in the medium future [16:05:33] even nuclear thermal is just the same thing [16:05:39] a bit differently [16:26:10] I mean, it depends what you're comparing, doesn't it? Saturn V was not the entire Moon landing [16:27:05] Saturn V was tye booster. There were other parts that were probably more significant to actually landing on the moon [16:28:47] looks like there was some firing after all at SpaceX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br1xFIbf5y4 [16:28:58] yup [16:30:35] it was loud even in the stream [16:30:47] and there was that metal sound at the end [16:32:29] kinda reminded me of the Titan II startup noise [16:35:24] su what is with delta iv heavy? [16:35:36] it seems like they stopped trying to launch it [16:52:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6K2dqCoin8 [16:52:28] i will be sleeping by then [16:58:39] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1o7H0NkI/20201020_125401.jpg [16:59:27] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FJMF0JyY/20201020_125234.jpg [17:12:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o umbralraptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:36:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:10:58] Althego: the burp might be just some ressonance in the whole system. And that should be avoided... [18:17:52] they could get rid of that by adding MOAR ENGINES right? [18:18:20] it can be anything else, for example the releasing of the stress of the thrust giving way to the weight instead. could have been the base it was sitting on too [18:18:39] nonetheless it was a cool sound [19:35:22] I wonder if that sound has something to do with a built-im protection from water hammer [19:35:30] built-in [19:36:02] And of course, fuel and lox, not water, but I think it is still called water hammer [19:46:27] It happened with early test engines, but not the more recent ones (until now) [19:47:14] So the assumption in #SpaceX at least was that it wasn't intended, and possibly related to Elon's "looks like 600 Hz Raptor vibration problem is fixed" tweet [19:53:50] Everyone see the new forum update? [19:54:16] ... [19:54:20] Nobody's on, again [19:55:08] He just gave us 36 seconds to respond... [19:55:33] LOL [19:55:33] jup, I noticed. even got the "upgrade in progress" page inbeteen [19:55:52] new look [19:56:01] Forum update went wrong and should be in the process of reverting [19:56:54] oh noez. it did work for me [19:57:02] So don't be surprised to see a lot of wierdness [19:57:23] I mean, it works, sort of. But there are problems with it [20:00:06] That's got to be a new record [20:00:08] I mean, wow [20:03:45] Record for what? [20:03:46] ah, indeed. Now it throws some odd template errors [20:03:54] good luck :) [20:05:32] a record for the shortest appearance. I don't log join/part in this channel, so I can't compare [20:06:40] Their previous appearances were 21 minutes and 20 minutes [20:06:46] So it's a new personal best at least [20:07:36] yeah, it's frustrating when they act like we're a tech support phoneline / being paid to constantly monitor the channel [20:09:23] Ah I see [20:11:35] there are no official records on how fast a forum upgrade can be reverted ;) [20:12:19] Hehe [20:12:24] Still in progress [20:12:40] no worries. I don't envy you :) [20:12:55] And you can't have the record for worst-broken forum upgrade, because I still claim it :p [20:14:13] (for https://impsvillage.com/forums/ , which is mostly dead these days anyway because its game is) [20:16:54] "Dofus requires a lot of strategy, planning, management, social skills, and this Wikia. And don't forget patience... lots and lots of patience..." - I guess it takes a lot of patience, then :) [20:17:12] Maybe less than ten years ago when someone wrote that [20:17:23] It used to be the most ludicrously grind-heavy game [20:17:29] You thought WoW was grindy? [20:17:40] The newer versions are much less so [20:18:19] http://progressquest.com/ [20:19:27] Oh wow [20:19:37] I haven't seen those saturated XP colours in years [20:21:53] yes, but have you considered kittens http://www.bloodrizer.ru/games/kittens/ [20:24:34] honestly, these games bring me about as much joy as other games [20:24:37] it's just so sad [20:24:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:28:41] Action: FLHerne is trapped clicking meaningless cat-related buttons [20:29:54] yay, cats [20:30:18] uh, incidentally, if you play long enough, that game goes from cute to cosmic horror story (the cats are mostly fine, though) [20:40:24] well, three poor kittens starved in winter while I wasn't looking. 30 fields were not enough. I probably shouldn't own Tamagotchis ;) [20:41:08] D: [20:56:57] umbralraptop: What do I want 'catpower' for? [20:57:28] FLHerne: uh, sending out hunting parties initially. Later trade stuff [20:57:49] hunting parties -> various luxuries -> greater productivity until they're consumed [20:57:52] Also unicorns [21:00:53] oh, somebody started talking. took me a while to locate the tab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6K2dqCoin8 [21:00:54] So, is there a downside to starving my kittens, except the short-term absence of a kitten? [21:01:08] Action: FLHerne *may* have accidentally starved some kittens... [21:03:56] It means you're a bad person, and yes [21:04:08] It's a reason to plant more catnip [22:06:35] *reload* *reload* [22:10:42] 1m lateral offset. not bad, MechJeb [23:03:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:11:31] linuxgurugamer is going to release something tonight that will "blow us away" - or so he says. take cover! :) [23:15:11] Action: Azander hides under the launch pad :P [23:15:41] In the rubber room? [23:17:45] Hm, so I left the kitten thing running in another tab, and it went into a cycle where 70% of my population died each winter and were replaced in the spring [23:18:00] There are achievements for killing lots of kittens :p [23:18:45] a Firefox update killed my kittens - I had secretly hoped it would store some state in a local cookie [23:19:06] there's something there for saving state, though I forget how [23:19:29] FLHerne: I guess you could try getting that acheivement. for science. you monster. [23:24:23] wth are you talking about killing kittens? [23:26:20] because that's what the program prints when it decreases a counter [23:26:53] you're all terrible people [23:27:23] I did kick a baby rabbit to death once [23:27:27] But only by accident [23:28:42] (I was cycling home and it ran in front of me)