[01:17:44] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kmGYO628/image.png [01:17:44] the only TreeView implementation for Unity that is available for free is documented in chinese [01:18:05] i love this plane [01:19:21] Rokker, nice minimalist plane [01:19:36] GlasaYuri: its losely based off the F-104 [01:20:15] very losely [01:22:08] loosely [01:22:13] i cant english [01:23:53] GlasaYuri: god, turning at 17000 m is hard [01:23:57] irl [01:25:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/447932901544427521/115281.png [01:28:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:00:08] this guy asked me for help with our c++ assignment. problem is he can't even int i; cin >> i; by himself [03:12:13] he can't even write an include directive [03:29:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:29:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o DuoDex' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:29:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o NBones' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:59:25] around 2.5 hours until cygnus launch. or not [06:02:21] 65% [06:03:51] 25% chance of scrub [06:09:01] nextrocket.space lists 65% chance to launch... but another source states 25% chance of weather scrubbing the launch [07:03:30] 10% chance of scrub for non-weather-related reasons? [07:04:41] murphy is always around thats why [07:45:41] anyone else awake waiting for the launch? [07:46:00] any link? [07:46:22] looking [07:46:49] it'll be flying n hour from now [07:49:20] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3niFzo5VLI [07:49:21] YouTube - ًں”´ LIVE: Bangabandhu-1 Launch: SpaceX Falcon 9 Launch & Landing of Bangabandhu Satellite-1 Mission [07:49:37] there are two launches, this is the first of the two, the one on the east coast us is next [07:50:07] this is the past [07:50:18] Uh [07:50:20] spacex is in one day [07:50:23] a better link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 [07:50:23] YouTube - NASA TV Public-Education [07:50:36] 1.5 day [07:50:50] thanks [07:51:07] transitbiker: Those other channels tend to just rehost already aired streams.. freebooters. [07:51:23] fun to watch though :) [07:51:57] i dont have enough people to get a 3rd hunter's hut running in frospunk, but 30 people are already there in 2 and it is not enough [07:52:12] nice. thanks [07:53:08] the nasa edu channel looks like a loop from the ISS? [07:53:29] transitbiker: itll switch over [07:53:42] but it's "Nasa tv" so they put the ISS stream on in the meantime [07:53:57] fancy [07:54:42] looks like theyre transitioning on the nasa tv channel as well [07:55:21] yep, both channels are switching over [07:55:46] are you transiting to transitflyer? :) [07:56:07] 4 am et hmm I think thats 1 am pst [07:56:12] soon [07:56:16] im transitioning to go outside and see the sucker myself [07:56:48] its like 50 degrees out, so i better get dressed [07:56:58] too humid for proper camera, sadly [07:57:14] would fog up the whole thing [07:57:21] must be in fahrenheit. even i would die in 50 degrees :) [07:59:18] I've been to parts of australia that hit 57°C in summer.. didn't go there in summer though, I'm not mad :P [08:02:31] video is captioned. nioce! [08:03:19] is that done by a human? [08:03:25] yes. [08:03:39] because it was too good for machine [08:03:47] I have seen live captioner working in person [08:03:54] they can type faster than gods. [08:04:09] also probably using a cording keyboard [08:04:37] if I recall that word meaning right, yes. [08:05:13] That's a machine. Unless they really said "en cops lated" [08:05:43] nah [08:05:51] that is common errors for live captioning [08:06:33] youtube dont autocrapton live videos. [08:07:07] I am not saying it's youtube doing it? [08:07:45] youtube has one of most advanced autocraptons in world. I tghink only microsoft has something better, and they arent making product of such a system yet [08:08:15] thre's a small cat peering at the video stream, hehe [08:13:20] ummmm [08:13:27] is cargo prepping happening now? [08:13:35] thought it'd be ready and loaded before that [08:14:00] it's long since done [08:14:05] they're just looking at footage from before [08:14:07] thanks [08:15:31] TheKosmonaut: the microsoft one is supposely one of best system, understands context and varied voices better than average for humans [08:15:31] there's a town near the launch facility called assawoman [08:15:43] problem is it isnt released [08:16:07] Yes it is, have you *seen* Mark Zuckerberg have a Q&A session? [08:16:10] It's uncanny! [08:18:52] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKaUzz0KQs [08:18:53] YouTube - Mark Zuckerberg Smile Meme [08:18:54] this? [08:19:06] 190 degrees south from where i'm going to view, leaving in a minute [08:20:22] we found out that star trek TNG is real, and we have Data hidden as Mark. [08:20:38] maybe they acciently took Mark out and timeline needed Mark [08:20:43] solid state lighting modules being sent up on this one [08:21:20] supposedly will help with balancing sleep/wake cycles with different hues of lighting [08:21:33] with darkness [08:21:38] similiar system as one for SAD? [08:21:39] why cant they do taht [08:21:57] Althego: humans need red hints to get tired [08:22:10] color temperate shifting towards red [08:22:26] incorrect. i can tell you i got tired with completely artificial lighting too [08:22:36] theres more and more apps and progrsms for pc that do that [08:22:40] you cant have it be dark inside a multi-billion dollar space station when the lights from outside would vary from pitch dark to direct sun [08:22:43] well I did say humans. ;) [08:22:53] they have some small sleping cabins [08:22:59] there could be dark there [08:23:08] it's station-wide [08:23:14] the new system [08:23:22] white balance light, even dimmed still contains too much blue [08:23:32] ok folks, i am going to leave now, see you after the launch [08:32:27] Didnt know Kurt J Mac was a commentator on this flight [08:34:06] Test [08:35:06] hehe, auto capitlaize [08:35:28] iPhone ftw [08:35:42] all phones do this. then i turn it off [08:36:07] MY PHONE IS A BIT OF AN OVERACHIEVER WHEN IT COMES TO CAPITALIZATION [08:36:15] -- sent from my iPhone [08:36:19] iPhone was the first. ;) [08:36:36] Lol. That's very much not true, transitbiker_ [08:36:56] you know i had smartphones when the term didnt even exist. not to mention iphones didnt even exist. they are not the first and not the best, they are just hyped, as every apple product [08:37:06] my nokia 6600 had offered corrections [08:37:15] the 6600 is argued to be the first "smart" phone [08:37:21] Which smartphone www first, then? [08:37:29] i was on irc on my 6230 :) [08:37:48] Plastic PDA's don't count [08:38:02] bendable metal s crap doesnt count :) [08:38:13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericsson_R380 [08:38:19] Metal? Try glass! [08:38:36] I'm in position. [08:38:47] glass is bendable too, under correct circumstances [08:38:54] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop [08:39:08] hehe the guy said in the video standing by. like a strategy game. in position. standing by. your orders? [08:39:26] dang https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2132003782/pomera-pocket-typewriter-with-e-ink? [08:39:30] now that would be so useful [08:39:36] but way too expensive [08:39:38] Nokia was arguably the first in being a very popular smartphone company [08:39:43] Standing by.... The big grass field [08:39:46] that made candybar formed phones that were not "PDAs" [08:40:04] my first smart phone was sidekick 2 [08:40:06] err no [08:40:09] sidekick color [08:40:16] I had an N-GAGE [08:40:18] THE ULTIMATE PHONE [08:40:23] It's so bad! [08:40:24] hehe, the n-gage [08:40:29] Be back after launch [08:40:33] not for me. no keyboard no buy lol [08:40:41] -4 and countihg [08:40:42] Then I ditched that crap and went for a 6600 [08:41:31] internet says i can have more huts by micromanaging the workers. assigning them to work in some place, then before sunset i can reassign them tu hunt [08:41:52] peeo people working 24 hour shifts constantly, and there is no heating in the huts [08:42:04] peeo poor [08:45:00] blue flame [08:45:49] omg portal in sky, aliens stole rocket [08:46:03] sure looked like it, with clouds lol [08:48:12] after the spacex live feeds these are kind of lacking [08:49:05] what, why do they haveae oslid as the second stage [08:49:16] I wonder if render is live or recorded [08:49:39] may be live, there were visible rcs blasts [08:49:44] indeed [08:50:00] precisely these kind of videos make all those flat earthers [08:50:22] earth isnt flat. earth is like a bowl [08:50:24] ;) [08:51:09] hehe it is burning down, i rarely do that in ksp. but they have to run the engine at constant thrust [08:51:37] in order to stay in orbit track while boosting still? I did that but yeah rare for me [08:53:01] ksp is best education tool for orbiting. period [08:53:17] I could not see it. [08:53:23] I wonder if it will be still around 30 years later because its such a great one for that [08:53:38] Too overcast 15+ miles out [08:53:40] transitbiker_: yeah it was very short flight before it "entered portal" [08:53:50] Portal? [08:53:53] dont worry, we couldnt see it eithe [08:54:03] we got this cheap cgi [08:54:06] yeah it was clouds, lighting effect lol [08:54:25] I saw some flashes, actually [08:54:43] From that direction [08:55:43] Ah well. At least I'm outside in the damp and refreshing morning Spring air [08:56:10] nice [08:56:50] Huge grass field [08:57:36] huge. tremendous. i have the best grass fields. many consider me an experts on them :) [08:58:02] yuge grass fields. belive me. huge. no problem with size of those grass fields. [08:58:10] hehe [08:59:39] And mecksico will pay to mow & water it [09:00:32] lol [09:00:49] but no watering videos! [09:01:43] They're very fine mowers, very fine! [09:02:11] Althego you talking about frostpunk? [09:02:15] yes [09:02:33] it's a very nice game :p [09:03:04] also, yes, hunter hut shifts are 18-6 or somesuch [09:03:11] Watching replay [09:03:21] portal! heh [09:04:04] Ermegherd, pherthels! [09:07:00] Ok so I did see a streak of vapor [09:08:02] But that could've been reflecting sun from the sun rising [09:10:10] pew pew pew [09:10:13] back [09:10:58] wow they really cut it close with the liftoff timing vs the launch window [09:12:46] i guess with this relatively low mass payload and the fact that no crew, the g-forces would be a bit higher? [09:12:49] https://www.bmeme.hu/memes/2018/05/8114_l2cfs2hslg_normal.jpg [09:13:50] i cant.. what is that? [09:14:06] the neglected +c after the integral :) [09:14:24] also, the second stage de-orbits itself? [09:14:27] hm [09:14:30] no idea [09:14:45] how? it is a solid rocket [09:14:52] unless with rcs [09:16:01] so its space junk with an orbit that intersects the ISS?? [09:16:03] dunno I saw it rotate [09:16:31] i think according to current regulations you have to deorbit stuff like that [09:16:36] i cant imagine how they do it [09:16:44] RCS deorbiting? [09:16:52] they likely will have control every time it passes over the ground station in virginia [09:17:08] if its at very thin mirgin it could be possible. I had literally pushed ship to deorbit using one of kerbal lol [09:17:28] which means it could be instructed to de-orbit with a series of rcs firings [09:17:30] thaha [09:17:55] lighting up the night sky? [09:18:00] its pre-dawn [09:18:15] transitbiker: it was insanely close. 68km high and zero rcs and main engine fuel left [09:18:18] the sky is indigo [09:18:40] o at high point I got one out and pushed it away from direction of travel. [09:19:06] it got low point of orbit down to 65k which was enough for few orbits to deorbit [09:19:17] craft ive left in orbit just under 70km have gone "on rails" to orbit just inside atmo, i had to switch to view it to actually get it to go down [09:19:54] dang [09:20:13] is ksp still being updated? [09:20:18] I think there was one recent one [09:20:25] i was like "i thought that thing was burned up by now...." [09:20:30] yes, next patch is coming up soon [09:20:35] cool [09:20:39] ok sleep time, later all [09:20:43] later [09:36:16] so apparently the stuff I ordered from china has finally been sent out [09:37:13] protip: you don't know enough of a language to do online shopping just because you watched some youtube videos on it [11:13:16] https://78.media.tumblr.com/cae02fd2b0ff39ca2f2c69edcc9e71ab/tumblr_p687ku7d7I1tw24g4o1_540.jpg [11:29:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:57:17] Take that, Flub2! :P https://i.imgur.com/RuyctFp.gifv [13:57:34] (Sorry for trash gif quality, I have no proper converter software [13:57:36] ) [13:57:43] not bad [13:57:51] (#2 Notice the moon backdrop :D) [13:57:59] heh [15:30:23] https://i.imgur.com/i1X9lE6.jpg [15:52:34] hehe [16:01:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/448153226811015178/DSC_8955.JPG [16:02:32] crazy swordsman challenge: SUCCESS [16:04:32] lol [16:32:38] . [16:34:37] greetings? [16:36:40] Guest15823: . to you, as well [16:41:18] https://youtu.be/d58RRpUe74o?t=61 [16:42:39] the endgame in the first scenario is epic [16:42:42] in frostpunk [16:42:47] i didnt do too well [16:42:54] althego look at the video I sent [16:43:15] hehe [16:55:53] . [16:56:13] I like that. We should introduce it as our official greeting. [17:01:29] . symbolizes a far away planet [17:02:19] https://i.imgur.com/ivX0wkk.gifv [17:02:21] perfect [17:02:37] hehe, loop [17:03:37] one frenchman and his hobbies today evening [18:22:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:36:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:00:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:28:30] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Mostly_Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:51:18] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [19:51:18] Yo Deddly [19:51:26] Fix your internet :P [19:51:52] Impossible [19:52:09] OK, not quite true [19:52:28] This is a demonstration for why you should never, ever get Lycamobile [19:53:05] And don't ever let them buy out the company you previously had a sim card for, either... [20:02:11] That sucks. [20:02:40] Looks like your new sim card purchase is due soon, then [20:11:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:14:02] APlayer, indeed [20:14:35] In fact, I knew how bad they were all along, and have carefully avoided them, so this is pretty annoying [20:15:06] My only satisfaction is that I renamed the SIM card in my phone from "Lyca Mobile" to "Don't Lyca Mobile" [20:15:22] This is like the opposite of product placement [20:15:35] I guess you could name this "product removement" [20:16:32] Product avoidance [20:16:47] Hehe [20:16:55] Action: JCB trying to build a kerbin-mun space tug, funny how it ends up feeling more like parts to spaceshuttle system, just without the shuttle [20:17:04] More like service provider avoidance, though :P [20:23:07] APlayer, this is the best it's been so far [20:23:21] Action: APlayer notes down the new record [20:23:31] JCB, sounds like a fuel tank with boosters [20:24:04] Sounds like a Space Shuttle without a Space Shuttle. :P [20:24:11] APlayer, Oh, I mean this session is the best it's been. In other words, including all the disconnects, this is working GREAT [20:24:27] Ah, got it [20:24:34] more like.. Atlas one rocket with boosters... [20:24:39] You should leave a five star review then ;-) [20:24:57] JCB: Believe it or not, some Atlas rockets actually have boosters :P [20:25:04] though looks like its somewhat uncontrollable higherup.. didn't make orbit. [20:25:15] I'm aware atlas had 1.5 staging... [20:25:45] was more like scaled up, shuttle boosters, and no drop away 1/2 stage [20:26:02] Uh, Atlas is a two engine core stage with up to five optional boosters, plus Centaur upper stage with configurable engine count, plus configurable fairing [20:26:14] the new one.. ya.. [20:26:20] Ah, the old Atlas [20:26:22] Not sure, then [20:26:28] in my case, old.. as in Agena, or with Gemini [20:28:10] having a bit of a challange.. limited to 30 parts but with level 2 launch pad ;P [20:28:43] Oh, so not an old Atlas as in https://cdn.supadupa.me/shop/14281/images/1895376/world_map_1897_frame_map_grande.jpg?1430001092 [20:30:16] eh.. [20:30:17] more like.. [20:30:17] https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43132.0;attach=1432481;image [20:31:53] I was thinking Space Shuttle ET (orange) and then thought Atlas V (also orange). Did not consider the non-orange ones :P [20:32:33] Action: APlayer prefers orange rockets over non-orange ones, for some reason. [20:32:49] Except for Falcon 9, which is nice and not orange :P [20:33:05] first few shuttle launches were white.. then they didn't bother painting it, to save on weight [20:33:27] my case.. was more to to do with the layout.. [20:33:51] makes me wonder though... why haven't they looked further into 1.5 staging? [20:44:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:50:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:52:16] What is 1.5 staging, exactly? [20:54:19] say you have three engines running, all same time at launch [20:54:34] half way up, you drop two engines but the 'core' is still running. [20:55:25] having a core sustainer stage, then two boosters that fall away half way up sorta gray area to the idea [20:56:30] So... basically onion staging? [20:56:59] onion is an extension of sorts.. seperate parts [20:58:34] Action: kuzetsa nibbles on some asparagus / onion-flavored fuel lines [20:59:08] the original atlas 3 engines all feeding off common set of tanks. Along the flight, it would drop the two outer engines and part of the body. The single core engine continued running on the one set of tanks till cut off [20:59:45] No fuel tanks were dropped? [21:00:08] https://i.imgur.com/g9183Bx.jpg [21:00:29] the booster engines were part of the body... it was just one pair of tanks for all three. [21:00:39] Hmm [21:00:40] only part way up, they'd just drop the two engines [21:01:26] I find it difficult to see how that would be better than just taking the single engine and a couple of boosters [21:01:59] it was in the early days.. [21:02:10] staging was something still new... even russia would hot stage rockets [21:03:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Mostly_Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:09:06] But you were wondering why it hasn't been explored more [21:09:22] Other than the block III version of the Saturn 5 booster? [21:09:45] Maybe I misinterpreted what you mean [21:10:13] Seems to me to be an inefficient system compared with the alternatives [21:10:36] I suspect the whole idea of total re usability sorta a thing now. Athough, the Saturns S-1D, they had ideas to parachute the engine block back down [21:14:28] Interesting [21:14:59] Gotta go. Seeyas :) [22:03:10] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Planet Nine is people! [22:04:46] Becker et al. "Discovery and Dynamical Analysis of an Extreme Trans-Neptunian Object with a High Orbital Inclination" 2018 https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.05355 [22:05:12] There's also a 3d representation of the studied object's orbit at https://smillholland.github.io/BP519/ [22:06:43] From the article: "2015 BP519 provides support for the Planet Nine hypothesis." [22:19:05] Action: Scolar_Visari is concerned that people think that 2 years of observations is enough to preclude Planet Nine despite the powerful astrodynamical evidence. [22:24:01] Though it would have been amusing if people had given up on the search for Neptune as easily. [22:35:54] IT IS I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [22:35:57] A CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [22:36:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:36:02] AND IVE COME TO ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [22:36:07] FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCK [22:36:44] Last message repeated 25 time(s). 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[22:38:36] weirdo kicked from #kspofficial by UmbralRaptop: weirdo [22:38:42] FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCK [22:39:00] Last message repeated 10 time(s). [22:39:00] thanks [22:39:20] oh boy [22:39:21] O.o [22:39:50] ¯\_(ؤ)_/¯ [22:41:29] Oh, also where's deddly. There's a flaw in mod9000 [22:41:32] someone pass the eye bleach please? [22:43:19] Action: UmbralRaptop hands jcb a jug of chlorox [22:44:34] ehh... [22:44:51] now I'm wondering if I should just chug it or pour all over myself. :\ [22:45:04] also.. in stupid mood. >_< [22:45:24] when in doubt, we can always get a second jug [22:46:34] also... some reason I'm pondering how to turn chlorox into fuel.... derp [22:59:32] JCB: I think it's better as an oxidizer? [23:00:27] I no idea... then again, I didn't know about salami meat and sugar rockets till that one episode of mythbusters a long while back [23:04:21] UmbralRaptop: Charon is an oxidizer, Pluto is fuel. [23:07:35] a mission later, to test how well we can pull oxygen from mar's soil [23:09:15] JCB: It'd be easier to recover it from atmospheric carbon-dioxide and/or water. [23:09:48] The oxides in the regolith would likely be far more costly to remove than those. [23:16:11] ok.. don't know if it was soil... it was just a diagram and some text about an experiment going out there [23:16:37] water from the moon would be cool.. though I hope we don't just squander it all to vacuum [23:18:40] Water from the Moon is problematic given that recent estimates indicate a very low inventory. [23:19:24] Action: Scolar_Visari notes the Moon would've lost its initial reserve of water during accretion, where a lot would have been evaporated from the debris. [23:23:59] most of it would still be in dark spots, poles. They found more in some places than they expected [23:25:48] Recent observations seem to preclude appreciable amounts in the Poles. The greater than expected reserves were a matter of there being more away from there than thought. [23:27:08] ... subject to change... [23:28:09] Even given the early, rather optimistic of Lunar water content, it's not a good place to get it. C-type asteroids, which provided Earth with most of its water during the accretion phase, would probably be superior. [23:28:48] Hmm. [23:30:43] that even accounting for how astroid orbits tend to be? [23:31:41] JCB: NEOs tend to be pretty easy to reach in terms of delta-v on a good transfer window, though timing can be inconvenient. [23:31:56] ya.. kind of what I was getting at [23:32:11] You can also use pretty efficient (if low thrust) propulsion with NEO water recovery, including sailcraft or steam rockets. [23:32:27] wait.. steam rockets huh? [23:32:49] I seem to recall starting a conversation here about rockets powered by water in some ways... or 'air'... [23:32:54] I assume nuclear thermal rockets using water as fuel, so they can refuel right at the type c asteroid [23:33:00] Solar or nuclear thermal energy could heat up the water and release it as a middling isp middling thrust propellant. [23:33:32] mm... some of my rpg books played a lot on the idea of using water to fuel fusion engines.. [23:34:06] of course, if you're using nukes "middling" would still be pretty decent compared to chemical rockets [23:34:08] I know Battletech has proton chain reactions using hydrogen recovered from water via electrolysis units mounted on most BattleMechs [23:34:41] tawny: With water propellant, they'd be more similar in isp to chemical rockets than more high performance albeit less storable LH2. [23:34:48] JCB: some GURPS supplement? Those tend to be well researched. [23:34:58] Battletech was FASA. [23:35:08] Jovian Chronicals... [23:35:24] hm [23:35:39] Scolar_Visari, yeah that's basically what I meant [23:35:46] maltesh: Now if only they got rid of those pesky, hard to reach jump points . . . [23:36:26] tawny: Given the high mass and, er, high sunk costs of using nuclear reactors in space, I'd just as well assume Solar powered options for now. [23:36:27] humanity has colonized much of the solar system.. ships and mecha were a major thing, but the books also made a point, its the people that made up the game... [23:36:57] right, yeah [23:37:06] I never got deep enough into Battletech that I had to deal with jumpships. [23:37:10] Some electrothermal water using propulsion concepts have some promising returns that avoid some of the complexities of nuclera energy. [23:37:23] my mind doesn't really like thinking about solar powered asteroid catching [23:37:26] maltesh: It's JumpShip! [23:37:35] heh battletech, did a lot of online MUX'ing on a few servers. Sadly since MWO went live, those servers died off [23:37:41] it just goes "but asteroids are those really far away things, right? the sun doesn't exist that far away" [23:37:51] obviously this is not how actual astrophysics works haha [23:37:54] tawny: Your mind forgets we're talking about NEOs. [23:37:59] I have no idea what happened to my copy of the Battletech Compendium. [23:38:18] I still have my JC books [23:38:36] Though you could probably make a case for Solar steam rockets out to the Belt, especially since they'd likely have a longer operating lifetime than nuclear rockets. [23:38:49] I find it interesting how the art of Battletech changed over the decades [23:39:32] JCB: Hehe, it used to be a rather silly combination of people in trashcan plated armor and licensed Macross designs! [23:40:53] They were licensed? [23:41:17] ^ [23:41:35] Indeed, but disputes over the license holder resulted in FASA losing the rights to what are now the Unseen, a dispute that STILL isn't resolved! [23:42:03] are they "unseen" because they're not legally allowed to let us see them, then? [23:42:31] trashcan... probably thinking of the Urbie mech... [23:42:38] I was more a fan of the warhammer.. [23:42:45] tawny: Yes. Though some rights lapsed (at one time or another) and FASA and later companies used the designs or made new, "reseen" incarnations. [23:43:24] I tended to use medium mechs a lot in the MUX.. people would gripe, saying that everyone should be taking heavies and assault stuff all the time. [23:43:48] Action: Scolar_Visari points to the reseen Locust http://www.sarna.net/wiki/File:3025-Locust-Classics.png and unseen Locust http://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/d/dc/Locust.jpg?timestamp=20130421073812 [23:44:10] JCB: MWO made some effort to make lights viable with some clever ECM and BAP work. [23:44:29] I'm eager to see if MW5 continues that. [23:44:37]