[00:24:13] still there, supercheese ? [00:24:26] Did I miss anything? [02:58:19] Hey [03:05:54] @UmbralRaptop check PMs [03:07:13] RuthVP1982 is spamming [03:14:37] blarg [03:17:14] hey guys [03:18:12] anyone familiar with KOS programming? [03:19:52] Mrrrh [03:20:02] Never much cared for kOS programming [03:20:19] i was just inspired to code again when i found it [03:20:25] but im having some strange issues [03:20:46] if statements being triggered without their conditions being met [03:21:10] Give me an example [03:21:11] ? [03:21:21] Action: Arynnia does have some experience with programming in general, and may be able to find a logic hole [03:22:10] it wont let me paste it multi line so give me a sec to type it out [03:22:16] Use a pastebin [03:22:23] dunno how to do that [03:22:28] https://pastebin.com/ [03:24:05] i made it now how do i copy it to paste here? [03:24:13] There should be a link being provided [03:24:45] it has buttons at the top but no link [03:24:48] no copy [03:24:54] it has download and embed [03:25:06] Okay, copy the main link [03:25:08] from your browser [03:25:17] https://pastebin.com/tMqFekV8 [03:26:02] so in that example its waiting for flightstatus to be 2 [03:26:30] however flightstatus doesnt get changed to 2 until 90000m [03:26:51] Okay [03:26:52] and it triggers this statement at ground level [03:27:06] That period in "if flightstatus = 2." is why [03:27:26] Because it's reading that as an end of statement [03:27:26] if i dont put the period it gives an eoi error at the next line [03:28:09] or do i need the eoi at the end of the } for that statment? [03:28:40] Get rid of the EoS for both if statements [03:29:01] It's not needed [03:29:07] Use it within the if statements [03:29:09] but not for them [03:29:46] i.e do this: https://pastebin.com/50b0m3sz [03:30:09] The EoI error may have also been due to that missing curly at the end [03:30:19] You only had one curly for a two-curly statement [03:30:32] ok so if the statement uses {} it doesn't need the . to end statement [03:30:40] Correct [03:30:48] that may be my problem then [03:30:58] the whole code is written like that lol [03:31:00] You can use periods after the curly [03:31:04] But it's not required [03:31:18] thats just a cut of the code i may have missed a } [03:31:19] i.e. if true {print "hello".}. [03:31:40] But "if true {print "hello".}" should also work [03:32:03] This is a very useful resource https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/index.html [03:33:24] ive been bouncing between several sites to find tidbits of info [03:33:44] mostly trying to find out what arguments to call to get info [03:33:48] like altitude [03:34:00] i was using ship:altitude and it didnt like it [03:35:57] ok so fixing the eoi's allowed it to function correctly [03:36:14] but it ended program after the first stage command. tried to fire thrusters then ended [03:37:33] https://pastebin.com/Xc4TuDyk [03:37:49] there is the full script. its only supposed to get me into orbit [03:37:56] so its pretty short [03:38:33] Hang on [03:38:35] but im missing something thats causing it to crash just after the first stage [03:38:36] link that to me in just a mo [03:38:44] ok let me know when [03:42:46] Okay @postosis [03:43:00] https://pastebin.com/Xc4TuDyk [03:43:26] sigh.. [03:43:26] im going to try adding preserve to each of the altitude check statements. it seems to only run through the program once [03:43:43] well no thats not right [03:43:49] Stand by [03:43:56] it needs a loop but i couldnt get the "goto" command to work [03:45:16] Stand by! [03:46:11] Okay [03:46:29] For "if flightstatus = 1 { ... }" [03:47:02] Use "until flightstatus = 2 { ... }" [03:47:09] And WAIT commands for each case [03:47:38] it has wait commands in each altitude check [03:48:15] Use that until statement instead of the if [03:48:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:48:43] but wont that restart it when the flightstatus changes to 3 as well [03:49:20] No [03:49:58] The program should execute sequentially [03:50:32] If it concerns you, then replace "= 2" with "> 1" [03:51:17] as in "until flightstatus > 1 { ... }" [03:52:14] https://pastebin.com/7QXgMghx like this? [03:52:29] still seems strange [03:52:55] i tried to do while flightstatus = 1 {..} but it didnt like the while command [03:53:17] Not WHILE [03:53:20] Use WHEN [03:53:26] if you're going to do it that way [03:53:43] ok so when instead of while [03:54:03] "when flightstatus = 1 then { ... }" [03:54:20] kk let me try that [03:54:56] Wait no [03:55:02] When only fires once [03:55:27] Wait yes [03:55:33] Add "return true" to the cases [03:55:40] "return true."* [03:56:56] "when ... then { if ... { ... return true. } }" [03:58:07] Here [03:58:17] Let me rework the original program [03:58:25] so it wanted me to add a then to it (i removed it before cause it told me it didnt want it) [03:58:48] but it tells me it wants it then tells me it doesnt like it lol [04:00:38] im glad i started with a simple program [04:00:53] would have been hell finding the errors in a huge one [04:02:19] it says unexpected token { expected eoi. but i dont want an eoi there. its a then {...} situation [04:02:43] Are you putting an EoS after the when ... ? [04:03:18] its written "when flightstatus = 1 then { ... } [04:04:02] which should be correct [04:04:41] ugh [04:04:56] I just shut down my comp, hence change of chats [04:05:11] I'll rework it when I get my comp back up in a little [04:05:12] lol [04:05:15] np [04:05:24] i like figuring it out [04:05:39] i learn better by asking why and how than i do following someone elses work [04:05:57] Well, I want to figure it out just to learn the logic [04:06:26] the book can tell you exactly how to write a code and what it should be when done. but cannot answer how the variables work so that you can use them elsewhere [04:06:39] Exactly [04:06:46] for that you need to learn the logic [04:07:01] i am a natural with logic [04:07:05] it comes so easy [04:07:26] i understand the loop structure but there are qwirks in kos that are a bit different [04:07:39] not allowing a goto line messed me up [04:07:45] i dont know how to loop it without that [04:08:12] otherwise i would have just added else goto loop in there and kept it from ending [04:11:32] afk [04:20:28] guh..... [04:21:17] ok i think i figured out how to fix it. i need to run the altitude check statements inside an until altitude > x loop [04:21:42] so that it keeps repeating the statements until it surpasses the altitude i want [04:34:50] grrr it doesn't like "then" if i use then {...} it wants a . between like this "then. {...}" which doesn't work. if i leave out the "then" it says expected then.... [04:36:21] ok so guess I'm not using landing legs for supporting a base on a surface... darn [04:36:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:40:09] have you tried increasing the spring and damper to make them stronger? [04:40:57] to max.. still slides slowly [04:41:30] using a structural part on the underside, it dosen't budge [05:20:25] ISS UTL: 52% [05:21:13] quite a lot [05:21:19] yeah [05:21:23] not too shabby [05:21:24] what if it becomes full? [05:21:34] what can the ydo then? [05:21:42] well [05:21:54] we all know what happens when a tank is over filled [05:22:05] and in space [05:22:07] not cool [05:22:45] would make a great tabletop game [05:23:13] obviously they cant pee anymore. imagine that. astronauts had to evacuate the iss because of urine tank emergency :) [05:26:30] a lengthy clean up, for sure [05:27:52] woot got the script working finally. [05:29:36] just gotta figure out how to make it adjust pitch based on the apoapsis now :) [06:48:41] sigh ok think I got some progress on things.. [06:49:34] can't use landing gear or the base ends up slipping and sliding about. So meant I had to redesign the controller.. on the flip side, it lets me put it up on a tower of sorts. [06:50:12] flies out on its back. lifts itself up on reaction wheels. Meant having to bring parts in on twin boom'd planes so the tail doesn't strike the tower. [07:21:57] nice [07:22:00] i wish i could see it [07:22:06] sounds extensive lol [07:27:02] anyone awake that knows scripting in kos? [07:32:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:56:24] arg... maybe someone can answer this one. i have a line in my script that says "wait until eta:apoapsis < 45." while waiting on this to reach 45 it aborts program. no idea why. [10:03:49] holaaaaaaa [10:05:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:07:07] .oO( all bots raise their hands! ;) [10:07:30] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:31:37] "A man in a Museum in Portugal fell into a hole, because he thought it was painted" [12:51:24] Hi [13:01:38] bot [13:52:38] Hi! [15:14:20] new steam beta with builtin wine seems nice [15:19:15] stavromula beta [15:22:05] Staropramen beta? [15:22:41] what is that [15:23:31] it's a czech beer brand [15:24:22] i dont care about wine or beer :) [15:24:40] https://i.redd.it/kq8i8soh0lh11.jpg [15:40:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:04:14] aand wintergatain [17:15:39] Action: Arynnia launches a rocket. [17:16:25] that happens in a few hours [17:16:59] 4 hours 3 minutes 10 seconds [17:17:13] Which rocket is being launched this week ? [17:17:19] several [17:17:26] after theis there is a spacex on sunday [17:17:36] let me rephrase [17:17:42] what launch is happening in 4 hours and change [17:18:07] https://nextrocket.space/ [17:22:54] Thanks [17:55:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:00:33] there are some inaccuracies, but i wonder how long it took to make these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHytNRMloj4 [18:00:33] YouTube - 70 Years of SPACEFLIGHTS HISTORY | 100% STOCK [18:06:28] but they look all like the real ones, and even pathfinder is nicely done, although no airbags [18:08:02] hehem ade even the iss [18:08:08] that has to be huge [18:35:09] egh.. now I"m sort of more awake... [18:36:30] launch in less than 3 hours, i have to skip on this one [18:37:49] which? [18:39:07] an eu earth observation sat [18:39:42] guessing Vega? [18:40:06] yes [18:40:16] I haven't seen a vega yet [18:40:50] it'll be almost midnight their time for launch [18:41:06] was checking launches.. Telstar delayed.. [18:41:57] so no spacex this week [18:42:55] so many launches... wonder if it was this frequent back in the old days of the space race [18:43:13] no, not really [18:48:07] I know with the shuttle, a few other launches, the more it happened, the less popular it became [18:48:32] now with net, live coverage everywhere... ect.. [19:04:12] mmm... [19:04:31] tempted to test out a design.. but takes sooo long to get to the site. [19:12:02] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:35:09] weird [19:35:13] cant connect to freenode [19:36:09] Connecting to chat.freenode.net (185.30.166.38:6697) [19:36:11] it worked [19:36:16] still works [19:36:25] im at 10th attempt now. [19:43:29] 15th now fun lol [19:44:10] checked chat.freenode.net cant connect [19:44:32] most be something between you and the target [19:44:38] what does traceroute/tracert say? [19:44:48] by both irc client and website chat? kinda doubtful [19:45:21] "network is unreachable" [19:45:30] hm my end definitely [19:45:32] which is not their problem [19:45:39] thats what I said [19:46:27] yes but i was typing when you said that [19:46:37] https://i.gyazo.com/ac4baca1fc8f0b7aa0cc1d16e71efea7.png - hehe, I caught AVG in one of those scam ads. [19:46:38] lol ok :) [19:46:44] definitely can happen [19:47:14] hehe i have no connected webcam :) [19:47:47] i got a blackmailing scammer mail a few days ago i just laughed at it [19:48:03] avg is now shady antivorus company or is it fake one? [19:48:15] which one is not fake? [19:48:45] antivitus software is an attack vector, can damage your data and hogs resources [19:49:03] it wasnt so 1-2 decades ago [19:49:14] yeah [19:53:23] this is strange [19:53:24] which was it.. norton, you installed it, but then never could get rid of it. tied in with your OS a bit? [19:53:37] I can go visit any site, but not freenode [19:53:48] I wonder if I was klined, and if so, why? [19:54:08] also an anti flat earth livestream is on now :) [19:54:16] If you're K-lined you will get an error message "network ban" or somilar [19:54:18] similar [19:54:25] no this is a network prolem [19:54:33] ahh ok. never been klined, and hope never [19:54:51] it could be an accident because of assigned ip [19:54:53] We can always ask Zarthus if you want to see what it feels like, Rolf ;) [19:55:05] lol [19:55:15] hehe [19:55:56] Seriously though, it could be that you share an IP range with someone who was k-lined. But as I say, you should be getting a message informing you of the fact, in that case. [19:55:59] hey who wants a kline [19:56:24] Ooh, ooh, pick me! [19:56:27] No, wait... [19:56:33] Maybe not ;) [19:57:58] Best quit tag line ever [19:57:59] Rolf was not amused. [19:58:11] I was [19:58:31] no, there was a better [19:58:34] WB Rolf. Here's what you missed: [19:58:47] red5 had somsing like it is pronounced JIF ) [19:58:53] We can always ask Zarthus if you want to see what it feels like, Rolf ;) [19:58:53] lol [19:58:53] hehe [19:58:53] Seriously though, it could be that you share an IP range with someone who was k-lined. But as I say, you should be getting a message informing you of the fact, in that case. [19:58:53] hey who wants a kline [19:58:55] Ooh, ooh, pick me! [19:58:57] No, wait... [19:58:59] Maybe not ;) [19:59:01] * Rolf has quit (Quit: If you say plz because it is shorter than please, I will say no because it is shorter than yes.) [19:59:04] Best quit tag line ever [19:59:06] Rolf was not amused. [19:59:10] In retrospect, that could have been in a /msg [19:59:21] heh [19:59:25] in retrospect, klining you would have prevented this flood [19:59:29] Althego, THAT SHALL NOT BE MENTIONED! [19:59:36] hehe [19:59:36] Zarthus, true [19:59:45] it was really evil, because you couldnt argue back [19:59:46] I tried to close irc client and reopen see if theres something but guess not [19:59:53] and by the next time i always forgot [19:59:59] Althego, https://i.imgur.com/nXQ9LBD.mp4 [20:00:16] hehe [20:00:19] ingenious [20:01:22] lol [20:02:40] no idea what K-lined meant till I came across here.. even though I've been using IRC back a decade ago. :\ [20:03:01] finally connected via webchat.freenode.net [20:03:08] well admittedly, a large gap of time hadn't used it [20:03:11] JVFoxy, that means you have been a good person ;) [20:03:48] https://78.media.tumblr.com/96bc49043a45822a13c68202254056fc/tumblr_ng6tyvOaB01qk6w7zo4_400.png [20:04:42] hehe [20:05:12] http://www.tshirtroundup.com/1321/its-a-trap [20:05:14] similar [20:05:43] some dude on tumblr just wanted to make really bad tshirts to make nerds angry [20:06:04] Althego: apparently freenode sasl is broken [20:06:12] so AI disabled that and I could connect [20:08:51] everybody's connected :) [20:10:55] ...Except for Althego [20:11:32] lol [20:13:14] Judge_Dedd good person for being gone? [20:13:36] or just not knowing what k-line meant? [20:13:45] Heh [20:16:22] freenode sasl isn't working for me either [20:16:26] it times out [20:21:50] yeah just disable to connect [20:21:59] then you can enable it again later [20:22:19] just use old manual login like its 00s [20:23:37] Rolf: I can't connect from this machine at all since it's on AWS [20:24:17] freenode is SASL-only from AWS ip-ranges [20:24:23] doh [20:26:09] Im there from AWS right now - hope I dont lose connection if thats the case [20:26:49] mm... wee.. slowly flying out to test deploy a base controller... self standing tower.. [20:28:56] so... guess question is.. a couple of relay dishes on the tower.. wonder if anything would connect through them at the pole [20:37:16] Hey! [20:38:39] spambot [20:39:17] Zarthus, [20:39:43] Margaret_d84 kicked from #kspofficial by Judge_Dedd: Go away [20:39:44] so ban them [20:40:01] I figured a network ban would be appropriate, Zarthus [20:40:20] I stopped network banning them long ago [20:40:28] Oh. I am disappoint [20:40:38] a kick from a channel makes them disconnect already [20:41:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+b *!*kiwiirc@46.161.59.183' by Judge_Dedd!~MrNiceGuy@94.234.37.191 [20:41:35] i bet they switch proxy, the ban will be futile :P [20:42:53] Well, we can at least make them take that additional step [20:42:54] seems they spamming me too soon as they come here [20:43:05] heh [20:43:13] I get nervous just saying anything now when they here [20:43:15] we've gone full +r in factorio <_< [20:43:26] I'm just amazed that people still put effort into making IRC spam bots. I mean, it's not exactly a large audience [20:43:44] it's also probably the most tech savvy medium.. [20:44:04] IRC is nice because like telnet, it works well on a lot of platforms, and you don't need something major to run it [20:44:09] i don't think anyone from espernet will ever be affected by their virus [20:45:29] unless you're telling me people who can figure out KSP's UI will still fall for basic spam [20:46:19] Seems unlikely. But we do have children in here sometimes [20:46:26] not so much virus... just if they watching, they know who to hit with spam next round.. [20:46:38] see who's actually talking/active here [20:47:37] I got in contact with nudity when I was like 10 and using limewire [20:47:40] I survived. [20:48:04] Just a reminder: if anyone sees a spambot that isn't quickly dealt with, please type "modcall" without quotes. [20:48:18] Zarthus, I thought we were talking about viruses [20:48:46] you're telling me a modern system doesn't have a virus scanner? [20:48:52] Windows Defender is enabled by default. [20:49:21] Windows is full of security holes [20:49:37] it'll still catch something as trivial as this, I'd wager. [20:49:47] 99% that chrome will download the .exe download if there is any [20:49:51] Action: Zarthus hasn't visited the link personally. [20:49:58] s/download/abort/ [20:50:00] Every time I read Windows update changelog it's a list of "fixed this gaping security hole that would let a hacker gain control of your system" [20:50:22] anywho, i think it's time for bed [20:50:31] gnight [20:50:41] if you want I can run a bot that kicks web users that aren't registered [20:51:13] That would be unwelcome here, where the vast majority of users come via the link on the KSP forum [20:51:23] But thanks for the offer. [20:51:24] figured :P [20:51:29] we need a female-name-detector [20:51:43] I mean, if it gets bad we can require registration to join the channel like before [20:52:13] Indeed [20:53:49] freenode SASL is workig again [20:55:17] Action: JVFoxy holds up hand, regarding link off KSP forum [20:57:11] I actually found it via channel list, but I was already in esper for #factorio [20:57:57] Arianespace is going live [20:59:39] Launch in 20 mins [21:00:24] mmm.. sorry but link? [21:00:37] https://youtu.be/A7gfsU5ss2s [21:00:37] YouTube - Arianespace Vol VV12 - Aeolus (FR) [21:00:39] could use a little something while dragging my butt back up to the north pole again [21:00:47] learn french with rockets [21:00:57] Here's the EN version [21:00:57] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4XLImXKgSo [21:00:57] YouTube - Arianespace Flight VV12 - Aeolus (EN) [21:01:29] this a SRB launch? [21:01:36] vega yeah [21:02:03] doh.. french.. wish I knew it by now [21:02:06] Action: JVFoxy switches to en [21:03:49] oh boy time for Stephane Israel [21:05:12] AVUM "avoom" xD [21:05:38] is the stream being crap for anyone else? [21:05:42] No [21:05:53] I'm only half watching [21:06:07] found it on YouTube [21:13:18] I -l0ve- GPO [21:13:34] I've never used it before [21:13:38] but holy Christmas [21:13:43] ? [21:13:47] it's even better than New-Horizons [21:13:58] umaxtu: Gameslinx's Planet Overhaul [21:14:50] ah [21:15:46] It may just become my favorite planet pack once I work with it more [21:16:40] speaking of mods.... [21:16:47] Action: JVFoxy pokes Kott, ooh GPS mod [21:19:15] everyone all piling out to watch the launch [21:19:24] Ayup. [21:19:29] Sixty seconds. [21:20:09] 20. [21:20:42] Off like a shot. [21:20:45] goes off with a kick [21:21:01] may as well be shooting off a AA missile :P [21:21:24] yow... quite energetic [21:21:52] Light launcher :P [21:24:33] ICBM^H^H^H^Hsolid propellant rockets are like that. [21:25:26] well.. 108tons.. so whats that make the micro launcher Japan came up with? [21:28:55] Whoa [21:29:01] Where's the distance and speed data? [21:29:06] it died [21:29:19]