[00:02:38] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i must fix the wobbling, i'm not making it to space this way
[00:27:52] <Eddi|zuHause> why must i reassign the crew every time i use "revert to vehicle assembly"?
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[00:48:52] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so i tried "shallow", but that only got me an AP of 50km
[01:22:20] <Eddi|zuHause> think i need more TWR now
[01:22:38] <Eddi|zuHause> or go back to the plan of two launches
[01:23:26] <umaxtu> moar SRBs
[01:32:23] <Eddi|zuHause> are liquid boosters any good?
[01:33:15] <UmbralRaptop> Somewhat expensive, but otherwise excellent 
[01:48:12] <Eddi|zuHause> dangit, almost made it to full orbit... PE 30km
[01:48:44] <Eddi|zuHause> 90m/s missing :/
[01:49:31] <darsie> shallower
[01:50:11] <darsie> ahh, you tried.
[01:50:37] <darsie> What, you ran out of fuel with Ap 50 km?
[01:55:40] <Eddi|zuHause> well, that launch had more issues than that
[01:58:06] <Rolf> now make this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlKC5qUS80o
[01:58:07] <kmath> YouTube - CHAIRPLANE! We made an IKEA chair fly!
[02:18:20] <Eddi|zuHause> what does rigid attachment do on fairings? i was hoping that would fix my wobbling issues, but seems it doesn't
[02:46:46] <Eddi|zuHause> yay, i got orbit!
[02:47:09] <Eddi|zuHause> with 19m/s to spare :p
[02:48:48] <UmbralRaptop> hah
[02:53:12] <lpg> do you need to get back from orbit?
[03:14:46] <Eddi|zuHause> bah, just noticed that i forgot the crew reassignment this time...
[03:15:42] <Eddi|zuHause> should i have jeb try to jump back from lko to surface? :p
[03:15:53] <Eddi|zuHause> or just suck it and have an extra member out...
[03:19:12] Action: darsie put a new probe on Gilly: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot128.png The old one ran out of fuel.
[03:19:18] <darsie> gn
[03:33:17] <JVFoxy> ack... lol.. go to chuck a part away, end up going off screen to my secondary monitor. Some reason I keep thinking I'm going to toss this engine into another application
[03:34:25] <Rokker> Eddi|zuHause: so Venom isnt part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
[03:34:57] <Rokker> its part of Sony's separate MCU
[03:36:47] <Eddi|zuHause> aw, he overheated
[03:55:49] <Eddi|zuHause> so how do people not overheat?
[03:59:16] <JVFoxy> as in kerbal steps out, blows up from heat?
[04:06:03] <Eddi|zuHause> ah, just needed a steeper reentry
[04:14:45] <Eddi|zuHause> these new chutes for kerbals seem nice
[04:16:20] <Eddi|zuHause> now he's back where he belongs. at KSC where he can handle touritsts and pointless "fly to a point on kerbin" missions
[05:43:12] <mabus> why do you do those missions? i never find them worth the in-game time
[05:43:48] <mabus> and by the time i have plane parts i can do missions with far better pay
[05:44:13] <Althego> science missions on a plane?
[05:45:07] <Althego> what is most annoying in them you often get them in an altitude that is too low for a rocket and too high for the jets of that time
[05:53:12] <JVFoxy> eh.. lol.. did tiny shuttle plane thing... under 18 tons 30 parts...
[05:53:29] <JVFoxy> includes solar panel and folding relay antenna...
[05:54:36] <JVFoxy> sorta weird space shuttle style launch... slender tank, engine on shuttle but drops off after done. single extra liquid fuel booster to get off the pad, sits under fuel tank
[05:55:54] <JVFoxy> https://imgur.com/a/q22GDFD
[05:55:54] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/v2HrvK7.jpg
[05:59:04] <Althego> lol scott. who knows what astronomers would do if they got angry
[06:11:38] <JVFoxy> wow.. ok this is a first for me... spaceplane dropped down in a good zone, I can actually glide to the runway
[06:12:00] <Althego> i can correct several hundred kms with a spaceplane
[06:12:32] <Althego> so basically it is very easy to to land one
[06:12:44] <JVFoxy> this thing stubby winged but also pretty small and light
[06:12:55] <JVFoxy> one of the turns I did pushed Jebs G limits quite a bit
[06:15:04] <JVFoxy> ok weird...
[06:15:18] <JVFoxy> I landed but the launch clamps i used to take off from runway are gone
[06:15:33] <JVFoxy> it auto clears now after launch? I only went one orbit around
[06:20:02] <Althego> yes, and that is the better outcome, because they could have flown with you :)
[06:20:10] <Althego> as t hey used to sometimes
[06:23:12] <JVFoxy> hadn't the problem where they follow along..
[06:23:46] <Althego> that has been fixed for a while
[06:23:59] <Althego> and there is an auto cleanup mechanism around ksc
[06:24:41] <JVFoxy> though sometimes I've flown around KSC after launching a little thing with clamps.. having to dodge them when coming in for landing.
[06:54:28] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCQGt7f4R0 (voice of sombra)
[06:54:42] <Althego> hilarious video
[07:13:37] <Rokker> JVFoxy: listen, stubby wings are fine if you go fast enough
[07:18:33] <taniwha> non existent wings, too
[07:21:33] <JVFoxy> I've done no wings... just engines
[07:21:39] <JVFoxy> and a few reaction wheels..
[07:22:26] <taniwha> Wings are quite overrated: http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot3171.png http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot3172.png http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot3173.png
[07:22:50] <Althego> hehe
[07:22:52] <taniwha> (ok, poor Bill couldn't slow down before hitting the hills, but...)
[07:24:20] <JVFoxy> .. wings.. what wings? https://imgur.com/a/dQV4r6r
[07:24:21] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/Id0ZJhd.jpg
[07:35:46] <taniwha> yeah
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[10:35:40] Action: UmbralRaptop pokes the Pioneer plaque with a hyperfine transition. 
[10:36:41] <UmbralRaptop> Why are the units for the solar system model 0.1 mercury semimajor axes? 
[11:27:46] <UmbralRaptop> "Wind velocity was less than 1 kilometer/second below 10 kilometers altitude." Uhm. 
[11:28:45] <taniwha> where is the wind ever Mach 3?
[11:38:01] <UmbralRaptop> I suspect that 1 m/s was meant? (This is about Venera 8)
[12:43:05] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, getting a minimus encounter seems to be trickier than last time
[12:44:28] <Althego> it is only tricky if you dont want to do a plane change
[12:44:47] <Althego> but even then it is mostly just waiting
[12:46:39] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, last time i just so happened upon it around DN, so no plane change
[12:49:52] <taniwha> no such planet as minimus
[12:50:03] <taniwha> or moon
[12:50:19] <Althego> that's no moon :)
[12:50:42] <taniwha> 'tain't no space station, either :P
[12:52:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i know, but that's what it is to me...
[12:52:56] <Eddi|zuHause> now, i also need to fine tune the encounter to enter a polar orbit
[13:01:53] <Eddi|zuHause> bah, i shouldn't have gone on EVA during the maneuver, now it forgot how much it had burned so far
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[14:07:27] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfHcNntVb3E
[14:07:27] <kmath> YouTube - The Martian Spacesuit Project Lives!
[14:41:25] <Eddi|zuHause>  dunno why, but with things that say 3500m/s i never seem to make orbit...
[14:43:14] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: who says that?
[14:43:18] <Mat2ch> Maybe too much drag?
[14:43:26] <Mat2ch> or bad ascend angle?
[14:43:32] <Althego> yes, should be possible with a lot less
[14:43:33] <Mat2ch> Also: Pics or never happend!
[14:50:17] <Eddi|zuHause> trying this thing: https://ibin.co/4Jz7G7uH6eTd.png (big ring in the middle is for "test this part in orbit" contract)
[14:53:22] <Althego> what is that decoupler in the middle lol
[14:55:27] <Mat2ch> well, the decoupler in the middle will cause a lot of drag
[14:55:39] <Althego> exactly
[14:55:39] <Mat2ch> (this should be simluated now, or?)
[14:55:53] <Mat2ch> also the solar panel
[14:56:09] <Althego> at least rotate it 90 deg, but probably that doesnt matter
[14:56:19] <Mat2ch> and with that big engine in the back your throttle should never go above 75 % in the atmosphere
[14:56:37] <Mat2ch> let me check. :D
[14:56:52] <Mat2ch> somebody has a Ryzen 2700X to play with :P
[14:57:12] <Mat2ch> and an nvme ssd. Finally KSP runs fine. ;)
[14:57:21] <Eddi|zuHause> not run full throttle? never heard that before
[14:57:39] <Eddi|zuHause> situation after second stage ran out: https://ibin.co/4Jz9ZR0XplfD.png
[14:57:55] <Althego> you dont want to go too much faster than 100% atmospheric efficiency
[14:58:14] <Eddi|zuHause> how would i know where that is?
[14:58:24] <Althego> in the old times we knew it by heart :)
[14:58:33] <Althego> but you can use ker to show it
[14:59:15] <Eddi|zuHause> where?
[15:00:01] <Althego> where atmospheric efficiency is :)
[15:03:09] <Mat2ch> uhm
[15:03:20] <Mat2ch> rotate the solar panels by 90°
[15:03:40] <Mat2ch> I did two tests. Small srb rocket.
[15:03:54] <Mat2ch> Once solar panels streamlined, once like Eddi|zuHause did
[15:04:12] <Mat2ch> streamlined: > 7000 m height. Rotated: 5500 m
[15:04:35] <Mat2ch> That's a huge difference. Max speed was 215 m/s.
[15:05:19] <Eddi|zuHause> ok... let me try that
[15:05:49] <Mat2ch> you should display the atmospheric slider in KER as well
[15:06:07] <Mat2ch> then you can play around with it and get better numbers
[15:06:29] <Eddi|zuHause> which one is that?
[15:06:53] <Eddi|zuHause> oh in the vab you mean?
[15:06:58] <Mat2ch> Sometimes KER reports something like 2600 m/s, but in reality you have a very efficient vacuum engine at the upper stage and you can still make it into orbit with some fuel to spare
[15:07:53] <Truga> there's usually two numbers, sea level and vac
[15:08:00] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i tried the old setup with 75%, that got me slightly further https://ibin.co/4JzCghJOvKXB.png
[15:10:04] <Mat2ch> Truga: but KER doesn't care :D (as long as you don't use the atmosphere slider)
[15:10:54] <Truga> oh yeah
[15:11:05] <Eddi|zuHause> so, if i want to slap on the giant separator sideways i think i need two to get a balanced rocket
[15:11:11] <Truga> it's always funny watching the readout increase as you ascend from atmosphere :p
[15:22:29] <Eddi|zuHause> so, the atmospheric dv generally seems a bit lower
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[15:25:42] <Eddi|zuHause> 1st stage loses about 200m/s on the ground, 2nd stage about 50m/s at 10km height
[15:26:27] <Eddi|zuHause> now, if i could run drag tests... :/
[15:28:11] <Eddi|zuHause> i now added another small tank, maybe it'll work now
[15:42:00] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i went too shallow :/ https://ibin.co/4JzMzUnNJ1FR.png
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[16:05:36] <Eddi|zuHause> added another small tank to 1st stage and finns for stability, still missing about 200m/s for circularization after 2nd stage burns out
[16:12:06] <Eddi|zuHause> another try that's even worse :/
[16:13:16] <Althego> just strap srbs and be done with it
[16:38:36] <flub2> https://66.media.tumblr.com/b281e05febd41ea6ab51b33263ee64ba/tumblr_oejfxiX9Of1qh66wqo1_540.jpg
[16:39:54] <Althego> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/tombili-istanbul-cat-and-worldwide-meme-honoured-with-statue-a7344671.html
[16:40:20] <flub2> me https://66.media.tumblr.com/c3b455f845f2f946e19bc3554fac2f78/tumblr_o7m9o4ypvy1qhy6vno1_540.jpg
[16:40:48] <Althego> but dont you have a job already?
[16:40:54] <flub2> not for long
[16:41:14] <Althego> covered everything in foam and set it on fire?
[16:41:35] <flub2> I can just open all the oxygen valves wide open
[16:41:54] <flub2> or put mercury in the torches but that wouldn't be nice
[16:45:17] <flub2> https://66.media.tumblr.com/85e2e355608ed6b4e0d744702b17a058/tumblr_p6cx8i8Z0h1vybt54o1_540.jpg
[16:57:24] <flub2> https://66.media.tumblr.com/c5e3cd4cbfc1e2b49398b24b525a8b65/tumblr_pgwvdmAru31xk8u4po2_500.gif
[16:58:49] <Eddi|zuHause> gah, i hate this... i've had this problem for years, and nobody could ever help me with it...
[16:59:18] <Eddi|zuHause> something about memory, where the system locks up with HDD access (doesn't matter whether i have swap or not), and never triggers OOM
[17:00:18] <Eddi|zuHause> (linux)
[17:51:08] <jgkamat> Eddi|zuHause: have you seen earlyoom or oomd
[17:51:43] <jgkamat> the reason for the HDD access is that as you approach the limit it blows your disk cache and every read operation that was hitting ram before is now hitting disk
[17:52:03] <jgkamat> I think that there was some improvement for it on 4.14 but I'm still on 4.9 so I can't test
[17:59:09] <Althego> scott
[18:49:02] <UmbralRaptor> https://twitter.com/zachtronics/status/1054401303445561344
[18:49:02] <kmath> <zachtronics> EXAPUNKS has left Early Access!  Î  Î To everyone who participated and helped us fix bugs and improve the game, thanks!& https://t.co/PWsZ67WahL
[18:56:28] Action: darsie has 51 MVF now.
[18:56:46] <Althego> mvF?
[18:59:04] <darsie> mega virtual funds
[19:00:14] <Althego> sounds useful :)
[19:00:31] <darsie> Not really. Can't build that much rocket.
[19:00:51] <JVFoxy> ... which game?
[19:00:56] <darsie> thx
[19:00:59] <darsie> this
[19:01:10] <darsie> normal
[19:01:15] <darsie> career
[19:01:17] <JVFoxy> ... mega virtual funds.. they changed the name of funds recently or?
[19:01:48] <darsie> The currency symbol looks like VF.
[19:01:56] <darsie> I call it virtual funds.
[19:02:46] <JVFoxy> Just looked up wiki... kerbucks
[19:03:16] <UmbralRaptor> ¯\_(Ä)_/¯
[19:03:25] <JVFoxy> though it was never really specified.. from what I understand, the original concept for the game is to let the player decide on what to 'fill in' when i comes to various aspects
[19:06:50] <UmbralRaptor> Last I knew it was unspecified 
[19:07:05] <flub2> someone was calling it spesos
[19:09:04] <JVFoxy> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Funds
[19:09:40] <JVFoxy> Lego has something similar going.. though people make a joke about how the hotdogs in Legoland are stupid expensive when you've only got 100 to pay for one.
[19:11:07] <JVFoxy> https://pm1.narvii.com/6859/0f9034c6f42d85dbb4660ad81a70cff8555f1599v2_hq.jpg
[19:12:39] <sandbox> I've only got the pirate treasure
[19:18:08] <JVFoxy> .... grew up on Lego.. relatives in Denmark might have had something to do with it. C_C;;
[19:20:13] <sandbox> I went to Billund around 1990
[19:22:44] <JVFoxy> I don't remember when I went... a while before '86..
[19:23:03] <JVFoxy> '86 was my last visit over to the country.. family did something of a road trip that time
[20:09:19] <flub2> well season 3 of the expanse was certainly nice
[20:09:40] <Althego> reading the 7th book now
[20:09:53] <Althego> about 170 pages left
[20:10:05] <Althego> it has to wait until tomorrow
[20:10:24] <Althego> i wasnt in a hurry this time so i started only after 10, so i havent finished it yet
[20:14:38] <JVFoxy> uff.. I had been watching the first bunch of episodes online.. then got too busy to continue. :(
[20:43:08] Action: JVFoxy also takes a break from trying to wrestle with a mini shuttle idea... ugh
[20:43:48] <JVFoxy> balancing fuel weight and thrust angles...... was just messing around with a stupid little idea. Seems the smaller version works a lot better
[20:57:01] <flub2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/503657264121380874/isaduhyffghl.png
[20:57:40] <Althego> if you are too aft, you are not allowed to use it
[20:57:44] <Althego> fat
[20:58:51] <Rolf> fat isnt only issue Althego 
[20:59:03] <Rolf> I would be unable to wipe because im not flexiable enough
[21:01:45] <JVFoxy> bad enough airlines cutting a few inches of room from the toilet spaces onboard
[21:02:27] <Althego> hehe, i dont know, i dont even stand up on transatlantic flights :)
[21:02:44] <Rolf> ugh I remember last time I went in plane. I barely could wipe my ass
[21:02:52] <Rolf> and thats 10 years ago
[22:10:44] <lordcirth> Going to try RP-0 again for the first time in forever
[22:19:01] <darsie> With 1.2?
[22:42:03] <lordcirth> Yeah, apparently 1.2.2 is still the recommended version
[22:42:09] <lordcirth> RP-1 is nearly ready for 1.3.1
[22:42:57] <lordcirth> CKAN does not like installing this many packages at once
[23:00:12] <Eddi|zuHause> <jgkamat> I think that there was some improvement for it on 4.14 but I'm still on 4.9 so I can't test <-- i'm on 4.18
[23:00:52] <jgkamat> hmm that's unfortunate
[23:01:08] <jgkamat> definitely look into earlyoom or oomd and set it pretty aggresively
[23:04:48] <Eddi|zuHause> the thing is, whenever i googled for this issue or asked some irc channels, all i got back ever was "must add swap" or "well, you shoudln't run out of ram, oom is evil"
[23:08:19] <Azander> oom ?
[23:10:01] <Azander> hmmmm
[23:10:42] <Azander> I can see where the linux people would say that... however like most modern code, they don't optimize for ram usage, so you have to do a lot of garbage collections outside of the programs
[23:17:43] <jgkamat> I turn off swap because I prefer the OOM
[23:18:55] <jgkamat> the worst opinion I've seen on OOM though is the i3 creator - he justified not having a memory indicator in the status line with "just rely on the OOM"
[23:24:08] <Eddi|zuHause> i once thought so too, since i upgraded from 4GB to 12GB ram, i haven't had the need for swap really, but every now and then a program (usually a game) will trigger this lockup
[23:25:56] <Eddi|zuHause> also, is anyone still on freenode? every channel there is either "registered only" or "invite only"
[23:39:56] Action: darsie is on freenode.
[23:40:14] <darsie> There are still open channels.
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[23:51:40] <UmbralRaptop> I'm blaming Scott Manley for this https://twitter.com/sw1a0aa/status/1054385673497726978
[23:51:40] <kmath> <sw1a0aa> Moon footage, sped up, with techno music. https://t.co/cHDsG9XtxV
[23:52:02] <umaxtu> lol