[00:11:09] now I see. the toolbar does not appear when I start a new craft and select a subassembly [00:33:10] launch loops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1MAg0UAAHg [00:33:10] YouTube - Launch Loops [00:33:11] enjoy [00:33:23] turn on captions if cant understand him [01:44:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:35:34] Action: darsie expanded his space station to fit at least 11 Kerbals :) http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot141.png [03:12:59] nice orbital park bench [03:15:59] :) [03:16:19] ahh, 1.6 [03:16:29] That was quick. [04:56:38] I am so ripping off that "station" idea :) https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspb.jpg [05:31:16] how about reentry? :p [05:33:06] well, i suppose they could just jump [05:37:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:51:14] I might try that. otherwise, there's a docking port jr. on top [05:52:38] i tried jumping from orbit to test the new kerbal chutes last time. [05:53:05] you need a steep reentry or you burn up [05:56:40] I did it only once (by accident). Jeb survived [09:26:44] Where's Fluburtur, when I have a creepy technical video for him? Ts [09:26:46] :D [09:27:00] hehe [09:30:33] Althego: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKSr8CE7600 [09:30:33] YouTube - TORTURE ME ELMO, Modified Elmo To Sing Like an Angel [09:30:48] ah i know this guy [09:30:56] the one with the furby organ [09:31:46] jep [11:43:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:13:41] next attempt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRiLPoy_Mzc [12:13:42] YouTube - GPS III Space Vehicle 01 [12:14:06] 97 min bah [12:14:21] if i still feel like wtch by then ill watch lol [12:14:25] yes but it can live among the tabs and when it starts i will hear the music [12:20:28] true heh [12:36:34] Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKSr8CE7600 ! [13:36:21] music on [13:38:06] jep [13:38:17] will we see it launch today? Who knows? :D [13:39:29] aaaaand stream error for me [13:39:31] wow [13:40:32] power on :) [13:41:02] and now buffering [13:41:11] wow, youtube, wow. [13:41:12] Mat2ch that dude should make some music with Martin [13:41:23] hehe [13:41:26] Fluburtur: that would be scary... :D [13:41:36] that would be strange [13:41:43] "An error occurred. Please try again later" [13:41:48] wow, youtube, wow. [13:41:50] they could create a musical black hole [13:41:57] that would be cool [13:43:06] ok, I'm switching to mpv. [13:43:15] and suddenly, no stream errors. [13:44:18] Stream is starting for real now [13:50:45] do it [14:00:33] That ice on the thruster (or is that a vent?) [14:00:53] Looked cool anyways (no pun intended) [14:14:39] fanastic launch [14:57:09] ignition coming up [15:11:46] hehe, show me the curve! [15:11:48] there it is [15:12:06] they have live coverage from higher up [15:40:10] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:41:14] if the wind is blowing to the east, why does the rocket want to lean to the west? http://warpology.com/k/wind.png [15:42:14] too bad the live stream is not pointing now at the earth, because is passed 7000 km already [15:47:21] deployment coming up [15:49:49] hah there it is, the earth [15:49:54] the separation camera shows it [15:50:09] and succesful separation [15:50:29] idiots, keep showing earth [15:50:41] you could make a tv channel just from that [16:30:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:49:25] i never managed to learn to read the navball which direction i'm leaning [16:50:54] to the original question: just imagine it were you facing strong winds, would you lean with the wind or against the wind? [16:50:54] I manage to figure out which way to turn to get to normal/antinormal attitude with the navball. Sort of. [16:51:50] whenever i plan a plane change node, i always manage to pick the wrong direction [16:52:09] simple, east is right on the launchpad [16:52:23] normal/antinormal is weird on retrograd orbits. [16:53:03] that's not even the problem i'm facing [16:53:22] the usual problem is the navball does not show the camera direction [16:53:59] It's a navball. It doesn't change when you turn your head. [16:54:24] that is the problem [16:54:46] so if you want to move towards to or away from a surface feature, which key you need to press? [16:54:56] uknown, because the camera is nurelated to the navball [16:55:11] highly important during rocket landing [16:57:25] I'd plan to overshoot a surface feature and then fire retrograde to shorten the trajectory so I land where I want. [16:58:00] KER has a useful impact marker. [16:58:44] i'm sure KER has so many features i don't even know about [16:59:40] fire normal/antinormal to correct laterally. [16:59:49] the last time i had a prolem with the navball, where i was facing the docking port indicator, but neither prograde nor retrograde were visible, so i didn't know which button to press to move the prograde marker [17:00:25] Or mix normal/antinormal with retrograde if you're close or advanced. [17:00:36] fire normal/antinormal to correct laterally. <-- but you have no buttons to fire RCS normal/antinormal [17:01:27] (also, i would definitely press the wrong one) [17:03:07] elon and the tesla fart sounds. "Please put invented car fart on my gravestone. This is my only request." [17:03:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:03:48] "Falcon Heavy" fart... lol. [17:04:06] all of the names have some other meaning [17:04:20] https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/19/listen-to-a-tesla-make-6-farting-noises-on-demand/ [17:04:40] https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-tesla-new-easter-egg-fart-app-romance-mode-video/ [17:04:49] romance mode though... [17:05:31] do i really want to click on a random link containing the word "fart"? [17:05:59] you know you will anyhow. [17:06:10] with an update pushed to teslas now the car can make a variety of fart sounds [17:06:20] and their names are elon musk related [17:06:21] also, in many germanic languages, that word actually means "drive" [17:06:23] mnostly [17:07:02] also, does anyone want to know what i think a "heavy fart" means? :p [17:07:14] and because of this the ausfahrt roadsigns seemed invredibly funny to some people [17:07:31] hwhw no [17:07:53] soon: "I left my kid in my tesla for 5 minutes while i picked up something. Now my brake pedal farts every time I press it, how do i disable this?" [17:08:03] hehe [17:08:14] you misspelle JHWH [17:08:23] and i misspelled misspelled [17:08:48] missspellings? [17:08:53] no it is hehe [17:09:11] .oO( anyone in Germany in need of a Tesla Model 3? ) [17:09:28] i'm pretty sure there is a law that says "every statement that attempts to correct a misspelling contains a misspelling" [17:18:44] ebery stabment mubst cobtain ab bleast twob ob tbe becond lebber ob be albhabet. [17:18:58] Althego: Fluburtur: Did you see this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7K43JBWkH4 [17:18:58] YouTube - Unreleased Demo From 2015 [17:20:01] no noise in the middle of the forest [17:21:01] it's fake! in the left screen half he opens the door with the left hand, but in the right side he uses the right hand [17:21:27] but if there is no noise, how will he ever aquire the funk?! [17:21:59] if there is no noise, how do you know if the tree fell? [17:22:11] yes that is emerson, I have been listening to that a lot [17:22:40] Eddi|zuHause: Trees follow Toy Story rules. [17:30:36] hehe, in bttf: make like a tree and get outta here [17:33:46] KrazyKrl: or weeping angel rules? [17:47:15] (now that i think about it, is there a "conspiracy" video that toy story characters are weeping angels?) [17:50:48] there is a channel, the film theorist, with wild conspiracy like stuff about content of movies [17:53:17] yeah, that's the kind of stuff i meant [17:56:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/526457984763691049/DSC_0285.MOV.Image_fixe001.jpg [17:57:41] hehe, is that intentional? [17:59:29] yes [18:16:15] https://youtu.be/ELMUeaVcvtg [18:16:16] YouTube - noel akbar [18:18:41] flub2: ... [18:19:17] I feel violated... as if 300 montage parodies screamed out in terror, then fell silent. [18:49:01] Hi :) [18:49:29] Mmmm.. ellos [18:49:53] just getting back into playing over the holidays, after a long break. and the game gave me a contract to get 3 tourists into orbit, the most I've had in this save. I'm going to go for 4 passengers, to train a scientist as well [18:50:03] (and because I don't have any odd capacity parts, but yeah). [18:50:32] https://imgur.com/a/S63ZDRn does this look reasonable? the listed delta-V is a *slight* underestimate since I throttle the swivel down to off or nearly so from 2-3 km up until booster burnout. [18:50:32] https://i.imgur.com/CISZWs1.jpg [18:50:35] the basic cabin is 1 person, so that is odd :) [18:50:49] oh, tourism+, so I need to have a pilot aboard :) [18:50:52] this is going to crash [18:51:02] first of all too heavy for 1 parachute [18:51:05] why? [18:51:10] Oh crud, thanks. [18:51:14] second too heavy for the atmosphere to slow it down [18:51:22] so add one of those tiny reds [18:51:46] reds? [18:52:00] the tiny red parachute [18:52:08] can open at around 500 or so [18:52:18] otherwise it is going to hit the ground [18:52:28] because you cant iopen the parachutes at high speed [18:52:57] once had 5 tourists to orbit.. [18:54:01] although, I also had a few other tourist contracts show up all at the same time. I kind of launched I think 10-12 people at once [18:54:19] hehe that is the best [18:55:42] hmm [18:59:55] trying to find my kerbin system cruise ship [19:00:53] I just checked, and while I do have the 90 cost tech that gives the basic 2.5m engines, such as the poodle and skipper, I don't have the tanks to go with them. I'm pretty sure I could afford it if I made one or two research flights, which I can make self-funding (and could afford to completely eat the cost of in any case). [19:01:33] So, I was thinking, would it make a difference if I removed the boosters, replaced the swivel with a skipper, and added more fuel to the first stage? [19:01:51] still wouldn't help slowing down, of course. But long term, that might make sense to test out.. hmm [19:02:26] Skipper has better TWR and Isp than the Swivel, right? [19:03:47] So you'd end up with a larger/more expensive liquid fuelled stage, but it would be more capable. Certainly SSTO capable with appropriate tankage. [19:03:52] skipper is a bif diameter [19:03:59] and more expensive [19:04:38] and heavier, yeah. [19:05:02] well, I play moderate, but with normal money scaling. so for example for this 3 tourist mission, I'm making 70K or something like that. [19:05:14] i would go with somewhat higher fuel, grab high orbit science too [19:05:38] so I can add quite a lot of safety engineering, or extra stuff, and still make a 200%+ profit on build cost. [19:07:23] hmm, yeah. I don't think I've done much high orbit science, if any, and it's not that expensive. [19:07:44] Dart is nice for SSTO, but can't lift heavy loads. [19:11:21] I haven't ever really gotten into planes. [19:12:44] They are tricky to build well. [19:16:41] hmm, I could also do the contract to flyby Iota, the question is how much mass I'd need for life support. [19:21:53] thanks... [19:22:32] I'll do that with fewer tourists. But high orbit makes sense. [19:24:47] uff.. had to afk.. but now back.. found pic [19:25:12] morning [19:25:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:27:09] and sorry.. was taking tourists around the mun, two just wanted kerbin orbit. https://imgur.com/a/bOPwvHY [19:27:10] https://i.imgur.com/Kx08ELv.jpg [19:28:22] i landed on the mun once with an orbital tourist. that one was part of a compound tourist mission [19:28:31] with several contracts [19:30:29] yeah, sometimes it's just cheaper to haul them all along. [19:31:41] got a craft for kerbin-mun/minmus landing, that has a couple of extra seats.. just in case... tourists.. rescues.. [19:32:04] also, with a Poodle second stage, it doesn't end up that expensive. [19:32:19] problem is... can't be too far from equator, not enough fuel. though did place fuel station in mun orbit as part of an experiment. [19:32:30] btw the new poodle doesnt do roll [19:32:38] because the double nozzle assembly gimbals [19:32:41] the whole thing [19:32:47] hmm [19:32:55] I'm playing 1.3 currently, but good to know. [19:33:12] I do have a current stock install just because I bought Making History and wanted to try it. [19:43:07] really nice career going back in my 1.2... I should see about going back to it sometime before I completely forget what I was doing [19:47:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:08:51] hmm, scott [20:09:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:09:30] ... muske... starship.. umm.. original much? [20:10:25] now spaceship with fart sounds? [20:10:57] Falcon Heavy is a class of fart on the Teslas. [20:12:28] .... dropping big ones out of the sky or .. eh.. anyways [20:13:41] Turn on the car's romance mode... and slam the Falcon Heavy flatulence. [20:18:24] drop the top.. oh wait.. space [20:36:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:16:01] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:16:01] Action: darsie delivered a small payload to orbit and recovered the SSTO first stage: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot140.png [21:27:45] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Transform and blast off! [21:28:25] Action: raptop eyes the roton [21:30:25] Kerbalformers! Less than meets the eye! Kerbalformers! Rockets in disguise! [21:34:42] Most-anything can be a rocket if you try hard enough. [21:34:54] Action: raptop hides the several MW laser. [21:36:42] If it ejects mass to move, IT'S A ROCKET. But only if it's using the local atmosphere in an airbreathing configuration. [21:37:19] My flashlight is also a rocket, but a very terrible one with a maximum delta-v. [21:37:32] comparable to that of a baby fart. [21:38:13] it has maximum v_e, but low dv. [21:38:19] hrm. Suddenly I'm curious as to the dV of a typical flashlight. [21:38:59] mm/s, IIRC [21:39:17] LED [21:40:07] or mm/month? [21:44:10] very questionable estimates: 48 kJ for a 0.02 kg battery, giving a mass ratio of 1.0000000000267 [21:44:28] So, uh, 0.008 m/s [21:44:34] (assuming 100% efficiency) [21:44:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:45:01] I think we know what to use for space travel now. MiniMAGLITE propulsion! [21:45:21] Action: Scolar_Visari begins duct-taping flahslights together. [21:45:38] It generaly helps if your reaction mass is more than 27 ppt of your rocket [21:46:23] we need v_e > c. [21:46:23] Hrm. How much dV can you get out of a Guardsman's flashlight? [21:46:43] F=P/c, IIRC. [21:48:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:49:19] Action: UmbralRaptop wants to say E = P*c unit-wise, p/c would just give a mass. [21:51:02] Raptop: The output of a Cadia pattern Astra Militarum lasgun changes dramatically based on the author. Some would have you think they're Star Wars blasters. [21:51:32] Others think they're ionizing wavelength laser weapons. [21:52:01] P/c, not p/c. [21:55:19] Action: Scolar_Visari still wonders how Meltaguns would work. [22:16:46] v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V * 2 Ah / 3E8 / 0.1 kg = 8 mm/day [22:17:03] v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V * 2 Ah * 0.25 / 3E8 / 0.1 kg = 8 mm/day [22:17:08] 25% efficiency [22:17:25] v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V * 3 Ah * 0.25 / 3E8 / 0.1 kg = 8 mm/day [22:18:19] dv of 18650 Li-ion battery LED flashlight with 100 g. [22:24:03] how about a laser [22:24:22] Well, it's still light. [22:24:51] Lasers are less efficient. [22:25:09] The laser could be an LED �\_(�)_/� [22:25:12] You can use them to power a space ship externally. [22:25:52] Though, yes. beamed power does wonders for your energy availability. [22:28:38] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders increasing laser efficiency by asking light very nicely to queue up. [22:29:17] "Ah, I do say, my dear photons. Could you do an old chap a tremendous favor and stimulate yourselves into a beam of coherent light?" [22:30:59] coherence isn't important in this case, IMHO. [22:31:08] Collimation is. [22:34:04] v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V * 3 A * 3600 s * 0.25 / 3E8 / 0.1 kg * 86400 s/day = 28/day [22:34:12] forgot to turn h to s. [22:34:18] 28 m/day, wow [22:35:37] *zoom* [22:41:51] Now pan left. [22:42:28] Action: UmbralRaptop spins reaction wheels [22:46:55] Action: Scolar_Visari has their course maladjusted by the poorly timed reaction wheel spin and careens into the Earth's atmosphere at too steep an angle, burning up like a snowflake on the cheek of a baby but with more toxic hypergols. [22:49:39] D: