[01:44:05] yes [01:44:07] trying to make my long range plane work and trying to somehow make money [01:44:09] why does burning lithium smell like cake icing [02:07:55] related https://youtu.be/RJh9yTIBY48 [04:43:01] oh, i like the re-entry modules [04:57:06] i'm gonna put them on the space hotel as escape pods [06:05:22] 5 launches in the next two weeks. but starlink 3 was moved to next week [06:07:50] Action: darsie fetched a lot of fuel from Minmus and brought it to LKO: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot122.png [06:16:42] damn [06:21:55] :) [06:22:18] gn [06:23:28] Tanking on Minmus: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot114.png [06:23:58] i've been thinking about making a refueling station on minmus [06:24:25] The port on the rocket is a bit too high, but I managed to wiggle up there. [06:28:34] i've been thinking about designing a large vessel that can go from minmus to duna, using refueling stations at both [06:46:34] oh right that will need a ladder [08:32:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:03:06] "I fell asleep during de-orbit and failed to deploy chutes." - such things happen. ( https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/191105-kerbal-forensics/ ) [12:26:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:17:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:27:35] https://www.engadget.com/2020/01/22/directv-satellite-at-risk-of-explosion/ [14:27:49] I'd like to know how much dV it has and it they could just straight deorbit it... [14:28:04] it may be geostat [14:28:06] no? [14:28:23] It is [14:28:46] but being so high up means that it's easy to fall down... [14:29:14] Wow, engaget has some serious hoops you have to jump through if you don't want to consent to tracking and ad cookies [14:32:01] It takes a fair bit of fuel to deorbit from GEO [14:32:33] It's a circularised orbit, not elliptical [14:33:26] engadget is a nasty tracker. So nasty it was on a block list for a few weeks once. [14:34:15] The law is quite simple in that respect: A simple on-off toggle, defaulted to off [14:34:46] After going through all the hoops, it seems that they are, indeed, off. Maybe I've been on that site before [14:35:41] explody sat is a Boeing, too ;) [14:36:25] If I remember correctly, the problem with GEO is that it takes so much fuel to get down from there, most don't bother trying - they just change to a graveyard orbit [14:40:23] 105000 m/s? [14:40:32] Sounds too much [14:43:23] More like 1500, I think [14:44:25] That's 1.5 km/s, which seems a big budget to have to keep if you are planning on deorbiting the satellite some day [14:45:42] True [14:45:52] but the sat has a lot of fuel left it seems [14:46:11] And you don't need to stop it, just get slow enough to drop into the atmosphere [14:46:28] Another calculator said 3.5 km/s [15:40:21] https://xkcd.com/2258/ [15:45:24] hehehe, when legends meet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7s1sr4JdlI [16:31:17] :) [16:31:52] Starlink 3 launch postponed to 27th [16:32:29] yes, i said that this morning. ok i said it was moved to next week [16:35:21] SpaceX just tweeted that ;P [16:35:37] yes it was on nextrocket [16:36:37] the only issue with that site is that suborbital launches are not on it [16:38:19] https://youtu.be/Wfle0FgmZ1c?t=302 Most interesting weld [16:53:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:11:30] scott [17:11:41] 4 minutes ago [17:56:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:57:21] Ok, new SSD arrived and installed, also recognised by the device. So far woo hoo [17:57:47] What's the recommendation these days for file system? [18:01:00] I would like to use it mainly for Windows, but I'm tempted to add a Linux partition, too [18:01:26] ext4 ;P [18:01:32] windows is obviously ntfs [18:01:39] on linux you have a lot of choices [18:01:45] but i stick to ext4 [18:04:19] But one drive can only have one file system, no? [18:04:24] what type of SSD? [18:04:29] what no [18:04:33] the fs is on a partition [18:04:39] not on a drive [18:04:41] sandbox, m.2 SATA III [18:04:57] Althego, oh yeah. Man I haven't done this for years [18:05:01] you need to have partitions for the two oses anway [18:05:21] OK, so NTFS for now, then, and when I install Linux, it'll give me all those juicy options later [18:05:40] probably there is an efi partition already, windwos might add another 2, linux can lve on one if you turn off swap [18:05:59] other 2 or more for linux [18:06:12] someone I know was raving about their new NVMe drive [18:06:12] the point is, if you go above 4, you cant have it as primary partitions [18:06:45] This is my second HD, so I don't think I want to have lots of partitions. I see no need for that [18:07:14] it happens without you wanting it [18:07:22] So far, it's just 477 GB Unallocated [18:07:59] i have 4, and all were created by windows [18:08:05] cant imagine why [18:08:24] I can't initialize or format this... [18:08:54] in fact i lost 1 gig to some windows magic partitions [18:08:58] and 100 megs to efi [18:09:07] the remaining is the one that the os is on [18:09:08] Althego, I can see that, here too [18:09:30] 260 MB EFI, 1000 MB "WinRE_DRV" [18:09:50] But why aren't I seeing the option to initialize the disk? [18:10:11] Is this out of date now? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-server/storage/disk-management/initialize-new-disks [18:10:19] what do you mean? if it is during the windows install it will do everything it needs to [18:10:57] i cant reproduce that because i dont have any disk needing initialization [18:10:58] Althego, I'm not doing it from install, I'm doing it from this machine. It's a 2nd SSD, I'm not installing anything to it [18:10:59] whateevr that means [18:11:22] then just create single partition and format it [18:11:56] i think this disk management thing can do all of this [18:12:16] I right-click on the drive from Computer Management and the only options I get are: New Simple Volume, New Spanned Volume, New Striped Volume, Properties and Help [18:12:34] I guess "New Single Volume" then [18:12:44] probably [18:12:46] I mean Simple, not single [18:12:49] the others sound like raid [18:13:32] Althego, Best to use the whole disk now and then let Linux play with it later, or set aside space now? [18:13:43] you can shrink the partition [18:13:46] later [18:13:50] OK cool [18:14:00] if not with windows, then with things like gparted for sure [18:14:07] but it can be a bit painful [18:14:28] NTFS or exFAT are the options. NTFS, I assume [18:14:35] like you boot on a linux, start gparted. it says go back to windows and repair the filesystem [18:14:49] i dont see any point in exfat now [18:14:55] maybe on an usb disk [18:15:03] Last time I installed Linux years ago, partitioning was incredibly painless [18:15:19] Allocation unit size? [18:15:26] and adter it starts shrinking it, it can take a long time [18:15:45] hmm i am not sure. this can impact performance [18:16:02] it usedto be 4k, but lately everything is 512 bytes [18:16:06] or something like that [18:16:56] I thought the other way round. To be able to have those huge devices? [18:17:27] But usually the device itself tells the os how big the allocation unit size should be [18:17:31] I mean, there's "default", I guess... [18:17:41] probably defaults to 4k [18:17:46] cant hurt you that much [18:17:51] on an ssd [18:20:33] Yeah, seems default is the way to go [18:21:00] Quick format OK or no? [18:21:14] File and folder compression? [18:21:26] I tell you what, Linux is so much easier for this kind of thing [18:22:00] well, fdisk is not the tool i would ever want to use if i has a choice [18:22:08] i have [18:22:29] parted is a bit better, gparted is for me :) [18:22:38] just click and drag the things [18:22:46] Yeah, I loved that [18:23:36] I'm actually really looking forward to maybe having Linux again. Do most distros still use Grub for the bootloader? [18:23:49] grub2 for debian [18:24:04] i hate all that autogenerated config files thing [18:24:32] you have to fumble around in etc and run some commands to regenerate the grub config [18:24:42] If I do get Linux again, I want it to default to Windows on startup. Is that easy these days? [18:25:05] the windows has a boot loader too [18:25:16] so you can jsut chain in the linux bootloader [18:25:20] in a separate menu [18:25:48] OK I'll hold up for a bit on that, then [18:25:49] or you can choose the linux to take over [18:25:53] and default to windows [18:26:18] it has been a while since i did this [18:26:50] linux would probably recognize the already installed windows and put it in the boot menu eanyway [18:29:43] If everything is implemented correctly there is no boot loader necessary anymore and everything managed by UEFI [18:29:59] Huh [18:30:00] which is even more horrible [18:30:08] if you have an efi [18:30:24] machines from the last 10 years or so have one :) [18:30:49] (u)efi, the os in your motherboard [18:30:56] because they had to have one [18:31:05] bios wasn't any better in its later stages [18:31:07] then poettering decided you need an os for your init sisytem [18:31:27] are you shaming systemd? :P [18:31:44] so first efi starts up, then it starts systemd, and then the 3rd os to boot is linux [18:31:49] It was finally a solution to the sysinit stuff, which was painfully slow and outdated [18:32:00] nonono [18:32:07] yes it was old [18:32:07] first efi, then the kernel, then systemd [18:32:11] it worked [18:32:27] maybe wasnt that fast on an ssd [18:32:40] it wasn't fast on a hdd either [18:32:44] I can't get over how fast SSD are [18:32:44] and with systemd you got anyther spaceship you have to maintain [18:33:04] and the best is yet to come [18:33:08] pcie4 ssds [18:33:11] 6GB/s [18:33:11] but having to write a shell script for every single service is not a good way to start things. [18:33:28] Now there's a single piece of software managing all the services [18:33:29] now you have to write a unit file for those [18:33:38] which makes life much more easy [18:33:43] Moving 26,000 files from one SSD to another, 50% complete already [18:33:43] actually i have no problems with this [18:33:52] the problem is that systemd has everythng [18:33:57] Have you ever written both? I love unit files, they're small and peaceful [18:34:02] from dns to 3d barcode reading, why? beats me [18:34:11] yes i did [18:34:28] i like unit files too [18:34:32] that is not the issue [18:34:58] well, they are going to far a bit, yes. But that's how people are with new tools. They have to play with them and figure out what's good and what's not [18:35:37] uh, where's the systemd barcode thingy at? I'd like to take a look ;) [18:36:41] Right, if I want Linux Mint that never needs reinstalling, that's LMDE, right? [18:38:23] C'mon Althego you're about to convert me to Linux ;) [18:38:41] lol why [18:38:57] for everyday use it literally doesnt matter what your os is [18:39:46] i guess mint is ok, since it is not rpm based :) [18:40:20] I always liked dual booting, and now I have the space for it. In the past, I have also repaired Windows from within Linux [18:40:40] there are a bunch of live distros for rapir [18:40:57] Linux has a lot of great applications, as well. I remember some very good video editing software I used to use [18:41:44] hehe, video editing used to be rocky seas for linux [18:41:58] but i dont know what is its current state [18:42:02] So you're saying I should NOT get Linux? [18:42:26] my main computer is on windows, for work i use linux [18:42:38] i wouldnt want to compile anything on windows [18:42:51] Well in that case, maybe I should get Aros instead, :D [18:45:12] Oh the nostalgia! http://icarosdesktop.org/ [18:45:23] looks old school [18:45:29] Amiga [18:45:44] i never had amiga [18:46:32] They were great [18:46:38] so i have heard [19:04:48] Well, Psyonix just announced that Rocket League wont be supported on Linux much longer. And I remember a time, where Epic would be... epic. [19:20:09] Wow! Nice shot! OMG! [19:20:46] what [19:21:04] https://twitter.com/DynastyLewis_/status/1220211354956636160 [19:21:12] i make it non causal with this [19:22:07] SnoopJeDi: :( [19:24:35] blink [19:25:43] comparator [19:48:36] Mat2ch, yea :( [20:07:52] hehe, action lab. air umbrella [20:22:55] SnoopJeDi: well, reddit is already hating very much [21:37:13] wish us luck! https://i.imgur.com/5g0YPAq.png [21:41:24] Well, on the plus side now I have time to finish my Jool mission [21:41:28] Erbin looks like he's about to throw up [21:41:39] and then KSP2 will come out and have no Linux support as well. [21:41:46] Well, time to move on then [21:42:10] KSP2 has no Linux support? Huh. I'd forgotten that. Wine 5? [21:42:34] he has only been hired because he's expandable [21:42:44] no linux for KSP2? :o [21:42:57] I guess proton will work well [21:43:52] Deddly: It's not yet announced, but I bet it wont have [21:44:00] hatrix: not buying [21:44:36] Not for a game I like modding. Proton/wine will add a layer of pain [21:45:08] for sure [22:06:20] I don't fully understand Δv maps, for Duna it takes me around 700m/s to be captured [22:06:28] on the map it's written 250m/s [22:06:31] what do I do wrong? [22:09:06] How did you do your capture? In practice these tend to assume a very low periapsis, and I'm not sure if they include circularization [22:09:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:09:51] I'm high, roughly 4 000 000m [22:09:58] ah [22:10:13] should I try to be closer next time? [22:10:33] It's worthwhile to aim for an arrival with periapsis just above the atmosphere (beware of Ike) [22:11:22] I took enough Δv to be comfortable but I'm still worrying [22:11:49] how do you handle maneuvers when periapsis kicks? [22:13:38] I'm not sure I understand the question [22:15:26] with nuclear engines, my burn time is around 15 min, I'd like to burn for a few mins, do one orbit and burn again, etc [22:15:35] the maneuvers don't like that though [22:17:51] Ah, something like multiple maneuver nodes. Though with that sort of TWR with nuclear engines, I'd hope you have a few km/s to spare? >_>;; [22:19:04] the only way I found to make it work is to create a new maneuver node every node [22:19:08] it's painful [22:21:47] yeah [22:22:00] every orbit* [22:22:20] there was a mod once (rather a kOS script, iirc), "MechVal" that set up a number of periapsis kicking nodes [22:22:32] from an initial node [22:22:55] I'd prefer to stay stock though [22:23:45] add moar boosters ;) [23:00:10] this mobile processing lab does wonders :o [23:00:27] almost feels like cheating earning so much science at once