[00:49:46] Hello! [00:50:14] greetings, future salsa component [00:50:21] Im having problems with all of my ships. [00:50:52] When i launch, my parachute goes off. [00:51:43] Any advice? [00:51:52] Avocado: check your staging probably [00:51:59] As Scott Manley says "check yo staging". [00:52:10] How? Im new. [00:52:12] the thing on the right side of the screen with the orange rectangles [00:52:16] It's on the bottom left when you're inside the VAB [00:52:23] er, right [00:52:33] left in flight [00:52:53] How do i change the staging with starting equipment? [00:53:07] Avocado: just drag the chute up to the stage you want it to be [00:53:13] probably last [00:53:21] Thanks! [00:53:31] Ill go try that! [00:59:50] Thank you so much! That worked perfectly! [01:02:26] yay [01:03:53] I finally left the atmosphere! [01:04:05] \o/ [01:04:38] aaaaaaaand crashed into the ocean.... [01:04:55] the parachute didnt deploy. [01:05:36] Hrm. Probably descent was always at unsafe speeds [01:06:15] (decoupling the capsule from any boosters is likely to help) [01:15:23] yea i just got the decoupler [01:15:30] anyway [01:15:33] bye! [01:15:40] thanks for the help [01:20:20] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Did ya' ever wonder what propagates the phenomenon of gravitation? [01:30:40] Cause I'd sure like to know what it is, and 60 Minutes refuses to investigate. [01:33:05] I think . . . I think negativity acts as a carrier wave for gravity, depressing space-time around the averaged center of bad vibes. [01:33:32] Thus, we may conclude that positive thoughts are a repulsive force. [01:38:01] Makes sense to me [01:39:03] Oh dear, that won't do at all. Nothing about physics should make sense immediately. [01:40:29] which hasn't happened yet right? [01:40:40] oops wrong channel [01:41:36] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why umaxtu is on mobile and not-mobile on the same channels. [01:41:43] That's some multitasking! [01:43:03] Yellowstone National Space Park https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/lEslCOylYwrIEHVV-PwX78vkqOw=/1600x900/2019/05/21/817f14d3-1197-4ea1-97e6-b724b4f061db/blue-origin-space-colony.png [01:43:53] Cause i had my VPN enabled on my desktop earlier. Which is banned by espernet, so I signed in on my phone [01:44:21] Action: Scolar_Visari seems to recall VPNs being finicky with IRC. [01:44:56] Espernet seems to have PIA's ip addresses banned [01:46:08] Honestly, I'm still surprised IRC is in use. [01:46:27] its hanging in there [01:47:55] It's like that one elderly couple's old desktop that's still running on Windows 95 and Netscape Navigator. It's full of security risks and probably ought to be donated to a museum, but it's still going. [01:48:31] speaking of old tech, I recently got my hands on a dumb terminal. [01:48:39] museum [01:49:42] what about it? [01:50:08] Hey, it's our last, best chance for peace in pieces! https://2static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/af/4a/af4a4d_5701304.jpg [01:52:46] Babylon 5, the last of the Babylon stations [01:53:23] The year is 2258. The name of the place is Babylon 5! [02:01:39] Action: Scolar_Visari is amused that they're specifically looking up images of Bernal Spheres and getting this instead https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECc4RfcUYAA-poq.jpg [02:09:39] Aha! https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/020/153/356/large/mitchell-stuart-earth-mitchart-sm-v004.jpg?1566586293 [02:18:44] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if a wormhole could have severe tidal forces for objects passing through. [02:21:07] Like, could it be small enough to let a ship pass through albeit snapping it at its weakest point? [02:33:17] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to run an experiment, hopefully finding a wormhole orbiting Saturn. [03:49:03] Well, as I understand the hypothesis, you'd need negative matter/energy to keep it from collapsing anyway. [05:21:02] docking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg [05:21:02] YouTube - NASA Live: Official Stream of NASA TV [05:36:29] seems there is some problem [05:37:08] couldnt dock automatically [07:19:46] now someone has to climb in and do it manually? [07:23:28] i think there is a remote [07:23:42] but they were talking about replacing a signal amplifier [09:58:30] Is there some kind of technique I can use to align engines to the center of mass without torque in stock KSP? [09:59:02] keep the vessel symmetric [09:59:25] failing that, just turn off gravity, turn off sas, and start engines [10:02:20] I don't see how turning off gravity and sas would help against torque? [10:02:42] you see if there is torque or not [10:02:52] if there is minimal, the ship is just going up [10:02:54] well yeah [10:03:02] I did quite a bit of trial and error [10:03:36] but after 10 tries of unsuccessfully moving my engines around I was wondering if there's a better way [10:04:18] ker displays the torque of the engines [10:04:24] move them until the number is zero [10:04:57] altough in complicated cases the fuel level matters so you cant have a forever zero torque [10:04:57] hmm I guess I won't be able to play this game without a whole bunch of mods after all [10:05:04] i do [10:05:10] yeah that's part of what makes it tricky [10:05:31] i build eve ascent vehicles in the soup era without ker [10:05:37] I don't need a lot of fuel in my case but it's enough to make it annoying to do in a trial and error manner [10:05:41] built [10:06:24] It wouldn't be as difficult if the center of thrust and center of mass indicators where more helpful [10:06:38] and since delta v is stock now, and there is radar altimeter too, ker has very little use aside from the edge cases like asymmetric vehicle torque [10:06:48] yeah [10:07:03] The thing with delta V is it's something you can calculate by hand [10:07:14] but the torque thing is mostly a UI issue [10:07:33] i used to calculete them [10:07:57] It's significantly more fun than eyeballing engine placement that's for sure lol [10:07:58] but then ker did the same thing, and i knew what they do and could do it just slower, i thought it was ok to use ker too [10:08:31] I guess the thing about these calculations is it's fun to do them a couple times [10:08:37] but at some point it gets a bit repetitive [10:10:16] Still necessary to do it sometimes in stock since stock delta V to my knowledge doesn't calculate RCS delta V (?) [10:10:39] rcs delta v is about pointless [10:10:52] i always use less than 1 unit of fuel for docking [10:11:00] if at all [10:12:15] I mostly use it to figure out if it's enough to de orbit some of my heavier tugs [10:12:54] but yeah just for docking it's not really necessary [10:13:30] if you want to use rcs to deorbit, you could have used the main engine with less mass involved [10:14:47] some of them only have rcs [10:16:44] and if they don't iirc burning monoprop first is always more efficient [10:17:01] so I can calculate how much fuel I need for the main engines afterwards [13:29:38] https://i.imgur.com/qGToxKD.jpg [13:29:59] Now I'll just have to figure out how to launch this [13:40:58] Boosters. Many. :D [13:50:37] Mat2ch, and struts :P [13:52:12] many many more ;) [13:52:24] Some day I should do my huge Jool mission... [13:53:04] But I'm still not sure how to transport the space plane [13:53:09] uh [13:53:18] I just may have got an idea [14:01:40] I flew my Duna glider/lander to Kerbin orbit and then pushed it to Duna: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot287.png http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot288.png [14:06:24] https://i.imgur.com/MwTzZKZ.jpg [14:06:29] Ok this might just be a little bit insane [14:07:13] https://i.imgur.com/zTmpA64.jpg [14:12:59] To Minmus? [14:13:22] to the batmobile! [14:13:58] darsie, uhm yes [14:13:59] SDS200: Insane? That's small. :D [14:14:20] I think this might have a bit too much delta V in the vacuum stage tbh lol [14:15:16] Does KER get mixed/multiple engine stage TWR right? [14:15:25] supposedly [14:17:22] Landing vertically on Minmus and falling over may work. [14:18:50] I do have horizontally mounted engines on the payload [14:19:09] also the reason why I installed KER was to get the torque on those right [14:20:06] so it *should* be able to land horizontally at a speed that doesn't result in a small fireworks display [14:20:34] The attitude of my "curiosity" propulsive lander was uncontrollable: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot421.png [14:20:52] No RW. [14:21:31] well I tested it on the landing pad with hacked gravity [14:21:38] idk how close that is to actual conditions [14:21:56] atmosphere [14:22:26] Have you ever landed on the landing pad? ;) [14:23:34] yes actually [14:24:21] A hopper or something orbital? [14:24:32] but only with a paragliding Kerbal :P [14:24:38] :) [14:33:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:33:29] o/ [14:53:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:17:23] https://twitter.com/unveriphiedMike/status/1165139317032988672 [17:17:23] 13 years ago today, @plutokiller killed #Pluto. [17:18:12] hehe "to be fair, it had it coming" [17:19:59] :D [17:23:55] . o O (Mike "deathstar" Brown) [17:24:37] That’s no moon... [18:04:48] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:25:36] https://i.imgur.com/DpnHl3z.jpg < so who wants to board my space train? [18:26:19] Given my terrible design and piloting skills I'm glad I got this into space at all lol - I guess it was a good thing I added some extra fuel after all [18:38:06] Action: SDS200 sighs [18:38:14] I just noticed one of the wheels broke - somehow? [18:38:29] probably the fairing [18:39:39] hmm could be [18:42:49] well time to try this again.. [18:43:38] SDS200: do you have an engineer on board? They can fix wheels [18:43:54] I don't think I have any level 3 engineers [18:44:05] :( [18:44:17] I'll just have to fly this again [18:44:17] you need to go outside kerbin soi for 3 stars [18:44:29] which should be easy. [18:44:30] one damaged wheel should be ok [18:44:37] the mars rovers worked fine like that :) [18:45:00] It won't be because it has to dock [18:45:19] if it's not aligned with the claw it will just wobble everything it attached to around and things will flip over [18:45:37] already needs quite a bit of tweaking with the landing gear as is to avoid that [18:45:44] :/ [18:56:29] strange that all the serious spece channels on youtube report on ksp2 :) [18:57:11] ok I managed to do it - almost more efficiently before I mentioned to flip it over and lose some fuel margin over my previous attempt [18:57:29] anyhow I added some ejection force to the fairing so the wheel is saved! [19:02:48] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LfymOYcbpc [19:02:48] YouTube - 8K Video: Dawn Rises on Spacex Dragon In Orbit [19:02:58] now i have to watch this tomorrow on the tv. and even that is only 4k [19:07:11] My best screen is my 1080p laptop screen [19:07:52] Action: UmbralRaptor has, uh, let's see… [19:07:57] my worst screen is the 1080p laptop [19:08:09] 1920x1080 and 1280x1024 external monitors… [19:08:27] also a s/1080/1200/ [19:09:05] 1920x1080, 1440x900, and 1280x800 displays on various raptops [19:09:32] I do wonder if I should get 4k screens as part of my next upgrade [19:10:01] i was watching the video full screen, what i rarely do with youtube. and that annoying green little alien mascot for alza jumped onto the screen at the end. i wanted to hit somebody [19:10:11] lol [19:10:24] Admittedly I could have gotten a 4k screen, but it seems silly on a 13" laptop [19:11:56] you mean on the 13" laptop itself or as a secondary one? [19:13:20] On the laptop itself (Dell XPS 13) [19:16:18] ah I didn't know the 13" version had a 4k option as well [19:18:12] why does a 13" screens needs a 4k is beyond me [19:18:32] i guess marketing [19:18:51] look, even our phones are in around resolution [19:18:58] and nobody knows why :) [19:19:04] is the 1080p panel >60hz? [19:19:13] SDS200: depends on the processor choices, etc [19:20:02] my one has 1080p and that is pletny [19:25:17] I was thinking of one of the XPS series laptops as my next one for traveling UmbralRaptor [19:26:33] Pros: very smol, and you can get ones with Ubuntu installed, so no driver [REDACTED]. cons: smol, you might prefer Debian, Arch, etc [19:26:52] Also, 3 USB-C ports ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [19:27:10] well what it comes preinstalled with doesn't matter right? [19:27:19] I can just wipe the Ubuntu install [19:27:26] Yeah [19:27:31] just means I don't have to pay for a windows license I assume? [19:27:50] also does it use optimus aka will I need bumblebee? [19:27:59] I think that's correct? This ended up being a maxed out business one [19:28:07] And unsure about that [19:28:23] that's usually a bit of a tricky one with laptops [19:28:59] bumblebee is a bit of a hack [19:29:09] and I think it still doesn't have vulkan support (?) [19:32:12] UmbralRaptor, thunderbolt ports right? [19:32:15] Uh, the Ubuntu ones have Intel video chips, not nvidea [19:32:31] umaxtu: some yes, others no [19:32:52] USB-C is not compatible with USB-C [19:34:07] somebody needs to make a utility that can detect and display exactly what each type-c port supports [19:34:28] "universal" [19:35:01] i got the solution, we need usb-d (see competing standards xkcd) [19:35:22] and the versioning is nuts. [19:35:28] USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 for pete's sake [19:35:29] Unique Serial Bus [19:35:32] and gets worse with every iteration [19:35:59] i wouldnt be so sure it is completely serial, there are additional lines since usb 3 [19:36:07] hm [19:39:37] Uh, the Ubuntu ones have Intel video chips, not nvidea < ah that's annoying [19:40:24] Having a dedicated nivida GPU would be useful since I work a lot with linear algebra things [19:42:57] https://i.imgur.com/YvqNR8G.jpg < and the train has landed [19:43:04] I spent way too much time on this tbh lol [19:45:25] Minmus flat express [19:47:12] It's two parts [19:47:26] one of which is an extension to my duct tape mining base [19:47:47] the other part is a tanker for refueling my orbital shuttle [19:48:12] I already had a smaller tanker but it didn't have much capacity making it annoying to use [22:47:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net