[01:30:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:42:13] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Absence of evidence is not evidence of ancient astronauts. [03:43:31] They were very good at recycling. [03:44:36] Though, admittedly, it's not like we'd ever recover evidence of an extraterrestrial visitor had they simply set foot on Earth without permanent habitation. [03:45:16] Action: Scolar_Visari glares at the Hart-Tipler conjecture (AKA Fermi's paradox) nonsense on the matter. [03:47:59] Can I get back to you in 20 years when we might have an estimate of how common life is? [03:48:08] I'm not sure that would be enough time. [03:48:14] Better set it to 240 years. [03:49:30] Vague optimism about JWST and HabEx. [03:49:54] "Enrico Fermi assumed the existence of only one extraterrestrial civilization capable of intersidereal travel" NO HE DID NOT. [03:50:14] "He assumed that this civilization would be interested in the conquest of the Galaxy" NO NO NO THAT IS NOT WHAT ENRICO SAID. [03:51:59] Action: Scolar_Visari should develop some kind of anti-Fermi's Paradox missile with a tactical yield thermonuclear warhead. [03:53:26] Does the missile build additional missiles to rapidly nuke the entire planet? [03:54:59] That's a von Neumann von Doomsday Machine. The Fermi's Thermonuclear anti-Fermi's Paradox TACMISSILE just detonates in an ethnically questionable three stage explosion. [03:55:14] Fermi, I think, would approve . . . Maybe. [04:00:54] The whole mischaracterization of Fermi's thoughts on the matter irritate me to no end. It's like people's misconceptions regarding dark matter. [04:01:12] I think I came across something that talked about various senario's about the universe, regarding other life... [04:01:32] one said, we might just be the first.. another said we could be the last, all the others already died off [04:02:15] ¯\_(Ä)_/¯ [04:02:28] All possibilities, but all difficult to investigate. Hart & Tipler went ahead and strongly claimed (if not strongly supported, really) that if there existed any other alien civilizations in the galaxy before humanity, they would be here right now. [04:02:56] they might be out there, just so stupidly far away [04:03:10] Basically, other depends on your assumptions about planet formation, habitability time, GRBs,& [04:03:57] That was, amusingly, what Enrico Fermi was originally espousing: That interstellar travel was sufficiently difficult to make a physical presence beyond their home star system unlikely. [04:04:52] oh.. here we go. https://imgur.com/gallery/eMBtKpP [04:04:52] https://i.imgur.com/COafWSI.jpg [04:04:53] Hart & Tipler directly claimed that any civilization capable of spaceflight would inevitably settle the entire galaxy down to the last star system. [04:05:17] depends on method of spaceflight... [04:05:31] we've yet to pass our moon, crewed spaceflight wise [04:06:11] To be blunt, there's not really that good an argument for settling an entire galaxy outside of an overtly long Star Wars LARP. [04:06:32] looking at many many generations [04:07:06] new horizons about to reach its next target... [04:07:32] got me thinking.. it took voyager series to get past Pluto in how long? New Horizons only left 2006 [04:07:52] Action: Scolar_Visari grumbles about the Voyager deviation to Titan in lieu of Pluto. [04:10:37] If Voyager 1 had done the Pluto flyby, it would have been in early 1989,right? (so before the Neptune one) [04:10:58] even if it did go by.. there was talk about complications with taking pictures out there with the camera system it had [04:11:31] Eh, at the time Pluto was marginally closer than Neptune [04:11:35] think on one of the other planets, they had to rewrite the imaging software so it could track and expose the vidcons long enough to get a good enough image [04:12:03] Definitely Neptune, possibly Uranus [04:12:05] JVFoxy: What's funny is that Horizon's camera is stationary. [04:12:20] scolar_visari Horizon's camera is also a way different tech [04:12:39] 1970s they used tube cameras... they use CCD cameras now [04:12:39] The biggest problem with the Voyagers' cameras was the mounting. [04:13:29] they did have a slight gimble problem, but that was resolved for most part. backup was they'd move the spacecraft as a whole instead [04:15:48] UmbralRaptop: I'd almost forgotten about that silly non-planet's minimum orbital distance. [04:16:24] It's all Neptune's fault. [04:17:25] I figure.. anything that far out, easier to knock things a little weird.. [04:17:49] some theories saying that planets out there weren't in the same orbits they had eons ago [04:18:27] Hah! Pluto was previously at perihelion in 1989, indeed making it closer to the Sun than Neptune [04:18:58] closer: ~1979-1999 [04:19:00] JVFoxy: I'd say nearly all reputable theories argue that, as the chaotic nature of planetary orbits was apparent when Newton was still alive. [04:19:38] The Solar System, unlike Kerbal Space Program, does not run on rails and two body physics alone. [04:19:58] It using a pre-release version of Principia. [04:20:13] Lots of movement early on, but the larger bodies are probably stable for the remaining lifetime of the sun. [04:20:53] UmbralRaptop: Tell that to poor Triton or wherever Saturn's rings came from! [04:21:22] Scolar_Visari: meh, just moons [04:21:24] scolar_visari closer debris sucked in, further out, rings spread away more [04:21:36] Action: UmbralRaptop waves a wing dismissively [04:21:51] then again... our moon is slowly getting away. And mar's moonlets are both diving in and out at the same time [04:21:51] Moons are celestial bodies too! [04:22:56] turns out, tidal forces are tugging demos in, and pushing phobos away [04:23:05] uh [04:23:23] I think you flipped the moons? [04:23:45] er ya.. sorry meant other way [04:23:48] UmbralRaptop: All those Martian moons look the same. [04:24:13] I hadn't looked at htem till recently... forgot which was which... other than the order I mention them [04:24:39] Deimos was the one destroyed by the United Nations, Phobos was not. [04:25:18] I just know that the inner one is moving pretty fast, like a low orbit satellite, the other so far out, its like our own moon in a way [04:25:31] UAC accidentally sent Deimos to hell, Phobos stayed [04:25:51] More like our Moon than you might think, as both were almost certainly the product of debris from an impactor. [04:26:08] UmbralRaptop: Hell came to Phobos. [04:26:23] setting i had in RPG.. colonists of mars mined one fo the moons completely. [04:26:24] fair [04:26:46] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Mars [04:27:38] Sadly, it's likely that Phobos and Deimos don't have much water as was once speculated for the same reasons the Moon doesn't have much. [04:31:46] speaking of cameras.... [04:32:07] found site of spacecraft cameras since the 60-70s... anyone interested [04:32:18] sure [04:32:36] Also, MRO > * [04:34:26] Action: Scolar_Visari patiently awaits for historical wormhole observations. [04:35:44] Teehee https://www.deviantart.com/arbitran/art/RAPTOR-RAPTORS-542203038 [04:36:11] note: seems one of the pics is missing.. but anyways, http://www.digicamhistory.com/Spacecraft%201960s%20and%2070s.html [04:36:59] Hey, Abiogenesis is doing concept art for the new Subnautica expansion! https://www.deviantart.com/abiogenisis/art/Snowstalker-C-763508248 [04:37:24] Yay, feathered raptors. [04:40:32] And the dinosauroid project is resumed! Huzzah! [04:44:10] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to preen feathers. [05:43:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:01:18] Last message repeated 8 time(s). [09:01:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:12:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:19:23] Last message repeated 5 time(s). [11:19:23] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:35:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:37:52] Fluburtur, I saw your message about 3D-printing the PC fan. Awesome! How's that project going? [12:41:06] well the fan I printed exploded [12:41:27] I could print a duct for the pc fan but I guess I will need a higher kv motor [12:49:40] The fan exploded? I'll call that a partial success [12:50:30] if it leaves a crater science is always a success [13:34:59] hehe [13:35:08] fans are sensitive [13:35:27] better to buy them [13:40:37] dont upset the fans [13:45:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:07:56] I mean... the g force on the fan blades can be significant. [14:14:51] For example... my 140mm fan is currently running at 1555RPM, this is ~25.91666... RPsec... the tip of the fan is going about 22.797 m/sec. And taking the formula for circular accell, the tip of my factory-made 140mm fan has an acceleration of 3,712.32 m/sec^2 [14:15:05] what is that? like 379 Gs at the tip? [14:15:44] Granted, the tip mass is a few grams; but the forces are significant [14:44:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/526772071150256128/DSC_0311.MOV.Image_fixe002.jpg [15:07:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:41:21] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:41:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:44:02] Todays APOD is strongly reminiscent of KSP :-) [15:54:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:00:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:15:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [16:15:05] ... Earth Rise? [16:17:24] sigh.. went to dock a ship, attraction whipped the little station around, busted half the parts on it. [16:17:36] lol [16:20:40] HOUSTON, WE ARE DOCKING!!!! [16:21:59] What's left of the space station has been successfully attached to the ship [16:25:14] eh.. not quite.. [16:27:15] most of it stayed in roughly same orbit, one part decided it wanted a bit of an inclination change. The port was still targeted, ended up with Station core, Station 'relay' and rest debris [16:28:33] er.. wait... [16:30:14] ok maybe was half awake... port swung station around pretty badly, it busted off a couple of relay antenna, then wobbled about. Out of frustration, I rammed it at full thrust. (just reverted, don't think the ship had enough fuel anyways) [16:47:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:49:44] lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zewyvQEqsS4 [16:49:44] YouTube - Elon Musk in Interstellar - parody mashup [16:51:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:24:43] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:24:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:59:57] watching a russian speaking guy launching massive rocket, no idea who many engines on the boosters and core. Enough that the game lags pretty badly... (0.25 dialation) [19:00:42] though I think is also doing earth scale kerbin... wondered why he wasn't getting heating effects at 1500m/s and only 12mk up [19:02:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:04:13] I've been considering streaming ksp as well... [19:04:26] just... sorta mic shy [19:38:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:18:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:31:02] chinese launch postponed. no vide anyway, so not that important [20:32:02] ula still wants to launch nrol this month. time is running out, and there is also the partial government shutdown [20:39:43] Go for lunch. [20:41:00] Press space bar to place order. [20:43:56] This world is just M.A.D. .... [20:44:04] I shall pick one day where, in the middle of the lunch break, I suddenly jump up and scream "Abort conditions met! I repeat, lunch abort!" [20:44:24] hehe [20:44:47] To the escape chairs! [20:45:14] lunch abort switch. use in case of christmas music :) [20:45:17] then you go zip-lining out of an office window, down to the coffee shop [20:45:33] Return to work site! [20:46:38] be thankful they don't require you to wear jetpacks at work, like in a certain dilbert comic [20:47:01] what, that would be the best [20:47:38] I'm no health nut but... I could use the walking around to help keep my weight in check, at least a little bit [20:47:45] *Points at a hole in the ceiling, with the floor scorched* "Boss, I think my coworker may have accidentally hit the button" [20:48:04] human shaped hole :) [20:48:16] Impossible [20:48:30] Humans are three dimensional, holes are two dimensional [20:49:09] so.. outline of a human body [20:49:28] That'd theoretically be possible [20:50:05] But only if the jetpack is affixed to the body in such a way that it does not affect the outline [20:50:43] ... I didn't exactly say which way the outline was going to be.. [20:50:52] Or if the jetpack is ejected after initial acceleration (ejectpack) [20:50:52] though.. suppose I could have said 'cross section' [21:57:58] sum of cross sections if the ceiling is strong enough