[00:27:50] https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/u7yLmitlYhxViALgf8IqRKD_748bXzQhL0-WRALi6zE/https/78.media.tumblr.com/18e2d05f5c8e3a20628bdd4657f75982/tumblr_p1sirhDA2B1wyuu9fo1_540.jpg?width=317&height=300 [00:28:48] stabbity? [00:32:53] I think the plural is "ottomans" not "ottomen" [00:34:47] gotta work with the joke [00:35:28] just got called a "solar panel salesman" for making a logical argument as to why putting a 30% tariff on solar panels from China is bad >.> [00:45:15] madmerlynx: I suppose there are worst things to be called [00:45:26] Worse [00:45:45] guy claimed they're being subsidized by China and that's why domestic manufacturers are non-competitive [00:46:28] reality is, China invested in the manufacturing infrastructure so they could be competitive while the domestic market pretended that renewables were a passing fad, and only in the last decade or so has US investment started to ramp up [00:46:57] and the tariff will hurt more American jobs than anything else as the price hikes drive customers away [00:49:10] just wait for the tarriffs on auto parts that is coming if the current administration doesn't figure out a new NAFTA [00:51:14] Free market!* [00:51:25] *terms and conditions apply [00:51:51] the large print givith, the fine print taketh away [00:51:54] *free 30 day trial [00:51:55] Without delving into politics, protectionism is only going to hurt us in the long run [00:52:02] ^ [00:52:03] yep [00:52:28] That or China will just buy out properties and build automated factories somewhere in US territory [00:52:58] cheap chinese solar panels aren't the problem, lack of funding in renewables (or I should withdrawal of funding for fossil industries) is the problem [00:53:01] tbh peoples in france are worried that chinese dudes are buying a lot of wine land [00:53:04] and castles [00:53:06] and stuff [00:53:28] we would probably already have a huge domestic solar panel manufacturing base if there wasn't so much cheap money being made drilling for oil and fracking natural gas [00:53:44] probably [00:53:58] or the coal bailouts [00:54:33] coal is dying out due to market change, it needs to be defunded. Coal should be used for metallurgy only, it's the only value it has [00:54:59] natural gas is superior, less dangerous to acquire, and in most situations less environmentally destructive, though fracking has its own issues [00:55:19] natural gas was going to displace all the coal mines even if there wasn't that whole climate change situation [00:55:52] Action: Azander is from coal country and I agree [00:55:56] Action: UmbralRaptor is vaguely bitter that the highest paying job he ever had was coal related. [00:55:59] Just wait till we learn how to harvest energy from humans [00:56:19] playing too much Stellaris Kosmo [00:56:25] I know Kung Fu [00:56:41] I do have to say though, doing the "Matrix" as a machine empire in Stellaris is quite efficient [00:57:01] (You know about the ash spill at Kingston TN? I was a random CAD technician involved in the replacement system) [00:57:16] you can put all your special tiles on a tile with organic energy producers and still get the special affect as its technically "staffed" but also get that 6 energy production [00:58:01] once I got a good stock of organics I started using them for energy and just trade with one of the trader stations for minerals as needed [00:58:56] so I made my own kerbal approximation of the Electron rocket, has avionics on both stages so the first stage can deorbit itself if necessary [00:59:18] even has similar weight to the real one, 10,385kg [00:59:55] Well at least it wasn't Centralia. [00:59:56] however due to the fact that Kerbin is not Earth, it can put 1.25t-ish into a 500km orbit, instead of just 150kg :P [01:00:40] it's actually quite inexpensive, total cost including the 2 probe cores is only 6515 [01:01:07] I mean that's like 5.8k funds per ton so not great, but pretty cheap for a small launch [01:21:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzkMxEgZBU -- kOS Tutorial 02 - Landing Near the Space Center (Feb 2015, so might need updates) [01:21:05] YouTube - kOS Tutorial 02 - Landing Near the Space Center [01:26:41] Next time I won't bother typing that stuff in. :-) It's one of the few videos which focuses on landing on Kerbin. Most focus on Mun. [01:28:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:33:47] This guy's design is very state-machine heavy. There's too many magic numbers in the script for me, personally, but he's got some good ideas. [01:45:15] And yeah, there are tons of SpaceX booster landings, which aren't really what I'm looking for. :-) [02:01:35] https://i.gyazo.com/37adf991415b7ae67a1e497453f501a0.png - hmmm, this thing's interesting. About the smallest thing I've made that is controlable. [03:04:32] People come up with...interestingf names for Linux programs... [03:05:27] man we're going into hardcore stuff for that rocket pwoered me 163 [03:05:38] we want cooling so we are like "yeah slap a naca inlet" [03:05:50] and then "we could use the hot cooling air for additional thrust" [03:14:29] I made nice blueprints https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405528003997859842/405560758554853377/rocket_engine.pdf [04:12:09] ummmm....yeeeeep https://www.yahoo.com/tech/smartphone-battery-explodes-man-inexplicably-200335454.html [05:02:43] Exploding smartphone propelled rocket. [06:08:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:20:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:26:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:31:23] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:34:33] damn, le Guin died [06:35:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:37:26] oh... scifi-fantasy writer.. [06:38:21] Earthsea [06:39:57] ah right.. though I sorta seen just one of the tv episodes. [06:41:32] I find it a little sad, so many novels out there, no idea where to start [06:42:36] start with the first one - the wizard of earthsea [06:42:49] as for sci-fi, no i don't know where to start [06:43:18] I could read a lot but then I'd never have time for stuff.. socialness.. [07:18:03] nightmare of the fandom: author existence failure [07:19:04] perks of dead author: now you can collect all of the novels [07:21:32] hehe [07:21:42] achievement unlocked [07:21:46] actualyl you cant [07:22:03] because if they are famous, somebody will find a half finished book and complete it and publish it [07:30:01] yeah, just look at Tolkien [07:30:29] or the sheer volume of brand new books that have TOM CLANCY plastered all over [07:32:20] it's easy - i call those non-canon [07:35:46] also happened to frank herbert [07:36:20] i have almost broke the rule of no swearing here just now Althego [08:29:44] I wasn't aware le Guin was still alive [08:31:17] (I read Earthsea back in the late 80's and it was already "old" then, so I assumed she was old) [08:32:09] taniwha, makes me want to check who of the authors are still alive [08:32:45] ellison is lol [08:32:56] it appears C J Cherryh is still alive [08:34:17] moorcock is [08:35:13] It appears H M Hoover is still alive [09:39:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:14:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:40:55] http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBu0V51mdZMc3KwI2Z1NSDqz6PX3c5CgY-JzeGn9cCGU-NHfOB [11:51:03] I have a weapon! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/405690919245840394/DSC_8305.JPG [11:52:34] Fluburtur, I had a thought yesterday... [11:52:58] tell me [11:52:59] Fluburtur, you know how vertical winglets on the edge of wings increase their performance? [11:53:04] yeah [11:53:27] Would something similar also work on propeller blades? [11:53:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WeE-9FTFNU [11:53:47] YouTube - Unbelieva-bubble penguin enrichment at RZSS Edinburgh Zoo [11:53:47] its called impeller? [11:53:53] planes not sure, but some helis have some sort of winglets on the tip of the blade [11:54:11] https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/02/main-660x440.jpg [11:54:13] Gasher[work], an impeller is a very different thing, isn't it? [11:54:22] but those are mainly there to reduce sound* [11:54:49] Deddly, i mean, the idea is similar - stop that overflow effect [11:55:48] some helicopters use it as the control propeller [11:57:36] I forgot why I ordered two new receivers for a moment [12:07:12] And why DID you order two new receivers? [12:08:00] Deddly, i might be mistaken in how they are named but it's just a propeller and a ring around it. Is that an impeller? Or rather, can that be called an impeller? [12:08:35] Gasher[work], hmm, sounds like a ducted fan [12:08:47] Impeller: https://www.google.se/search?q=impeller&safe=active&client=firefox-b-ab&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK6PavyPDYAhVMh6YKHXURDlsQ_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=761 [12:08:49] yes right [12:09:00] i was talking about ducted fans [12:09:04] Inducted fan https://www.google.se/search?safe=active&client=firefox-b-ab&dcr=0&biw=1536&bih=761&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=SHdoWol5hsuwAYWMq_AB&q=%22ducted+fan%22&oq=%22ducted+fan%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.10562.12738.0.12953.12.12.0.0.0.0.103.936.11j1.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.11.870...0i67k1.0.OC7nS4r4oiA [12:10:09] they are called 'impellers' in RC planes here [12:10:57] Interesting [12:15:00] Hey look, sometimes prop "winglets" form naturally http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Piper-PA-28R-201T-Turbo-Cherokee-Arrow-III/2198003 [12:15:23] heh [12:16:11] hehehe [12:17:59] It apparently exists, kinda http://aviationweek.com/bca/remember-q-tip-prop [12:20:32] And here's why it's not common https://www.quora.com/Would-a-winglet-like-surface-on-the-tip-of-a-propeller-be-feasible-in-improving-propeller-of-ship-aircraft-or-ventilation-efficiency [12:23:12] Interesting stuff [12:23:26] Does anyone know if winglets work in KSP+FAR? [12:23:55] they look nice [12:24:02] it's all that matters [12:27:17] Spoken like a true KSP player [12:33:28] Deddly, if you have FAR use its instruments to evaluate :) [12:34:23] I don't have FAR [12:34:57] then install it [12:35:11] i doubt they have the desired effect without far [12:35:19] and even far doesnt simulate everything [12:35:20] I think one day I will, but I'm still running stock [12:35:37] it's funnier with far i'd say [12:35:41] They definitely don't work as they should in stock [12:37:25] Gasher[work], I'm sure you're right, but I'm a light player and I don't want to have the hassle of keeping mods updated [12:37:51] i am kind of afraid of far [12:38:07] i have enough problems with aircraft in stock already [12:43:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:44:39] Flying stock in my experience is harder. [12:44:47] hehe [12:45:07] in a way it may be, because i constantly struggle that the aircraft fly well, when they dont look like a real one [12:45:31] it is very hard to have a realistic looking and good plane [12:49:03] What are you comparing to? [12:52:37] memory [12:58:53] time to change the motors of my canadair [13:00:18] FAR has some very nice aerodynamic quirks from real life you can abuse [13:00:23] also allows easier flaps/spoilers [13:05:35] Stupid power outage [13:05:40] Good morning [13:07:15] power outrage [13:17:21] Should I rescue Sugar or Lemmon from orbit of Kerbin? [13:53:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:03:21] Howdy! [14:04:48] yo [14:05:07] I was thinking, the rocket engine I want to make for the plane could be used for your rocket project [14:06:20] jamie wants big boom [14:16:10] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:18:53] mornin [14:18:59] Fluburtur: that would be nice [14:19:07] Hold up, changing networks [14:21:59] Aaand back [14:22:30] I don't know how much thrust the engine will be able to generate [14:22:37] but with some chance it can power a rocket [14:34:25] Toys R Us closing 120 stores, I'm shocked the one in my town isn't on the list [14:35:04] Toys R Us is a victim of Wal-Mart, Gamestop, and online shopping all diminishing their customer base [14:35:25] alright I changed the receiver and motors of my canadair [14:35:34] so it should be fully operational now [14:40:44] it must be embarassing to be a victim of gamestop [14:41:12] well pre-Gamestop, Toys R Us was the place to go to get your vidya games [14:41:37] my dad drove 1.5 hours to a Toys R Us to find a Sega Genesis for Christmas of 92 :P [14:42:11] EB (which I believe was acquired by gamestop) also had games, but they were more PC oriented [14:44:14] so I played KSP for the first time in over a week yesterday, my latest career just put its first kerbal in orbit [14:44:29] Val was the first kerbal in space, Jeb was the first to successfully orbit [14:44:49] madmerlyn: who was the first fatality? [14:44:58] I don't have fatalities [14:45:10] I haven't killed a kerbal since like 1.1.2 [14:46:07] Even to game bugs? [14:47:02] btw, we have EA and EB... any 'EC' gaming related company around? [14:47:11] Jebediah is usually the first to go when I make a new game....grrrr, he always sneaks into a pod when I'm not looking. [14:52:16] you could just stick him into a pod and 'abandon' him outside somewhere [14:52:41] kind of like a 'display case' :) [14:53:30] game bugs? [14:54:52] madmerlyn: AKA, the kraken [14:54:55] I mean I do use quicksaves for when I know I'm going to do something buggy like KAS construction etc. [14:55:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:55:14] I don't really have krakens though, I strut responsibly [14:55:15] fair enough. [14:55:24] I'm sort of bad... don't use saves at all.. [14:56:01] madmerlyn: The Kraken has been tamed ever since I used auto-structs... [14:56:09] I guess partly because out of sight out of mind [14:56:12] yes I use autostruts on everything [14:56:23] ...although the Konstruction Ports have the power of Kraken invokation [14:56:47] (But that is in the documentation anyway [14:56:48] ) [14:59:37] Toys R US trending on twitter [15:01:06] 180 stores closing [15:01:26] konstruction ports as long as you don't do "compress and rotate" are fine [15:01:32] let them rotate themselves prior [15:02:07] although if you have a particularly heavy part that maybe still managed to offset its rotation a couple degrees when docking compress and rotate *might* be ok [15:02:48] link on that store closing news story? It's not covered locally [15:02:52] ya.. someone on our IM group thing sent out an alert too on that [15:03:14] but is it just in the US? [15:03:30] JCB: no clue... that's what I'm trying to figure out [15:03:40] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/01/24/see-if-your-toys-r-us-store-closure-list/1060761001/ [15:04:20] Because the liquidators are never making real 'deals'. [15:04:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:04:43] pretty sure the closures are all US only though [15:04:59] ok just US stores... [15:05:30] though... sears also having gone out of the way, some articles coming out about malls showing concerns of major retailers disappearing now too [15:05:43] Dead malls [15:08:21] There's also talk about Safeway shuting down over here [15:08:41] Amazon should put their stores in all the vacant Sears [15:08:49] I would love to go physically shop at an Amazon store [15:09:33] It's all part of the Shoe-event Horizon [15:09:39] would also possibly let them leverage some savings by offering ship to store option, could give a slight discount for prime members that's less than shipping would've cost [15:09:46] Deddly: Already? [15:09:56] ve2dmn, it's happening! [15:10:05] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/405741015274881024/20180124160202_1.jpg [15:10:15] ... that's it, I'm heading to Mars on the next flight. [15:10:20] flub that'll end well [15:10:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/405741089736228915/20180124160830_1.jpg [15:10:33] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/405741155150594048/20180124160822_1.jpg [15:10:38] surprisingly they didn't all die [15:11:06] speaking of amazon stores... [15:11:47] https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/heres-what-its-like-to-shop-at-seattles-amazon-go-cashierless-convenience-store/ [15:12:11] I never ordered anything on Amazon. Too much a pain to pickup the package [15:12:33] while cashiers have been elimated, the staff's time got reallocated to other duties, such as helping customers... food prep, other things [15:12:52] yeah, they fired the cashiers [15:12:58] (those other people have always been there) [15:13:17] not in that particular store, but you know what I mean :p [15:14:06] the store itself never has cashiers to begin with [15:14:38] Deddly: Do you think there's still enough lemon-sented hand cleaners for the next flight to take off? [15:14:53] mind you, having one staff to watch over a dozen self serve checkouts... seems a little underhanded [15:15:40] to be fair cashiers are low paying jobs that more and more don't even need basic counting skills since cash transactions are decreasing, and ideally would be replaced by kiosks and automation [15:16:15] ve2dmn, I'm not sure, but the flight hasn't left yet, so you probably have time to get on board ;) [15:16:21] I'd rather there be more customer service oriented positions at a store and no cashiers [15:16:33] yeah they already are, the place I buy my groceries for has 1 traditional cashier for old people who are afraid of the automated ones [15:16:36] I was thinking more along the lines, you picked up your own food and stuff, here, why don't /you/ do the cashing out too while your at it? Mean while, we'll just toss 11 cahsiers out the door just so we can make more money [15:16:41] everyone hates asking someone in a blue vest where X item is only to be told "I don't know" [15:16:51] and for people with large shopping list [15:17:04] everyone else just uses the self serve ones, and they're monitored by 1 staff [15:17:51] Truga: that's interesting. I have seen the reverse: 4 self-checkout with 6-10 traditionnal checkouts [15:17:57] self checkout even with a large cart isn't difficult, the newer designs have a hand scanner so you can scan the stuff right in the cart [15:18:08] ya but it is done so the store can just stay afloat, or was it someone's crazy idea to help them make more profit for the sake of making more profit? [15:18:16] plus WalMart is even working on having it where you scan as you shop so you don't have to do anything at checkout [15:18:22] me too, but this particular shop got redesigned recently and while they still have 4 traditional belts, I've only seen a max of two operating at the same time [15:18:26] and that was during the rush hour [15:18:48] self checkouts are the product of one of the biggest complaints customers have had, standing in a long line after shopping [15:18:55] yep [15:18:58] at the amazon store, don't even need a wallet.. but you do need smart phone and ap.. [15:19:03] Truga: I guess my area is has too many old people. [15:19:03] it's not that walmart wanted to can their cashiers, because they are in fact one of their lowest paid positions [15:19:13] haha [15:19:20] it's that their customers constantly gave feedback about not liking being in line for 10 minutes after shopping for an hour [15:19:23] does make me a little worried that everything's being all tied into one object in our lives.. that even a safe thing? [15:19:56] no and you can easily not do it [15:20:06] meh... i work temp construction, min wages already.. at least walmart staff work inside [15:20:07] I for sure don't :v [15:20:40] where are you from? [15:20:46] office called me just a little bit ago, got full force lung hacking as I answered >.< [15:21:07] west coast canada... min wage only recently went up to 11.35 [15:21:13] I hate having to juggle stuff around self check-out, the counters are always way too small [15:21:27] and my local supermarket has a "4th in line = free groceries" policy [15:21:29] \o/ [15:21:36] snow the walmarts here are starting to put hand scanners in so you can scan in the basket [15:21:51] JCB: but your cost of living is like 1million dollar per week in renting/mortgage [15:21:55] and then bag it if you want but don't have to worry about running it all through the scanbed [15:22:04] yeah they do that here as well [15:22:13] canadian superstore had a thing, all checkout lines opened friday+weekends or something.. not sure they still do that (or if those were the actual dates) [15:22:14] in an ideal world everyone would have their own reusable bags and use hand scanners :P [15:22:33] reusable bags ftw [15:22:55] Reusable bags... welcome to the 1950s.... [15:22:57] we are just adamant about re-using and recycling the bags we bring home [15:23:14] they are used as small can liners, but mostly get recycled [15:23:17] ve2dmn you confusing cost of living with cost of a home.. which recently went to over 2million in the downtown core. Its getting bad now too, its about as much in the suburbs too. [15:23:34] JCB ouch [15:23:49] JCB: but you have to live somewhere... cost of rent is 'living' too [15:24:17] I've been lucky... my rent stayed stuck at 400/month for the past 15 years... then again, I've had gone from living alone, renting. To sharing with 4 other people. [15:24:28] (min wage here is like 5e/hour, but things can be much cheaper here) [15:24:34] 400/month for how big? [15:26:09] well thats just my portion... its a 3 bedroom, spareroom, upperfloor. we lost use of the store room downstairs in part to tentant there demanding access [15:26:55] You could get 1000 sq feet for 650/month [15:26:57] when I was renting... secondary exits weren't even a thing... even then, windows [15:27:00] (here) [15:27:45] ve2dmn transit accessable? [15:27:57] yes [15:28:24] this is interesting: https://electrek.co/2018/01/23/tesla-giant-battery-australia-1-million/ [15:28:27] And by accessible, I mean the Metro station is walking distance (even if it is the last stop) [15:29:08] land out here is sort of hard to come by now... being in a valley. Kind of why prices gone so stupidly high here, much like in Toronto [15:29:12] If you are willing to go in the suburbs, you could probably own a house for 1000/month [15:29:12] basically they're using a big battery system to provide electricity during high demand for profit, and then recharging said batteries during low demand when power plants are overproducing and cost is negligible [15:30:05] madmerlyn: we already do that, because Hydro-Power can be started and stopped in under a few minutes... [15:30:16] ...but Telsa's solution is MUCH more scalable [15:30:18] well right now we have 1/4 of a house... duplex converted to quad.. but we also have several transit options, skytrain nearby, a few major malls [15:30:30] (even with the rarety of rare earth) [15:30:40] ve2dmn Tesla's solution also has a reaction time around a second [15:30:51] to get a place, a house for anything really low, gotta leave the transit system area, maybe even the fuel tax area as well [15:31:07] coal plant stops production for a second, Tesla's batteries keep the power going without interruption at all [15:31:30] madmerlyn: and you can put them almost anywhere [15:31:52] yeah hydroelectric requires a good watershed and dam, which can have its own ecological issues [15:32:07] ugh.. site C dam project.. [15:32:16] and storing energy requires pumping water [15:32:25] The biggest problem with Coal, gas and Nuclear is that it can take up to 24h to be at 100% production [15:32:49] battery solution, provided the batteries themselves don't require insane maintenace, works better because you just push current into them directly when there's overproduction, no need to move fluids around [15:33:10] I would love to see more house born production.. sadly, doing so tends to freak out major power producers. [15:33:38] there's a couple solar companies in my area and they are doing enough business to keep going [15:33:47] course the incoming tariffs could be a huge problem [15:33:49] so stupid [15:33:56] Sadly, solar is not 'that' viable up north [15:34:20] it's still net positive profit over 25 years though (with the price of solar panels) [15:34:29] heh it works on my camper at least.. then again, its a small camper, very small power deman anyways [15:34:30] it's still viable in Canada, just have to get the material and service cost down enough to justify it [15:34:50] there is a lot of hydro out here... [15:34:55] not every installation has to be 100% self sufficiency, any decrease in grid demand is a net positive effect [15:35:44] even just a decrease on the grid would be helpful... they already keep raising rates all the time, stating the whole grid needs replacing, aging, over worked.. ect [15:36:10] considering, we've had a few blowouts downtown underground.. [15:36:25] one of my wife's friends just got an installation done, $40k, which seems high to me [15:36:54] but they have like a 3400sf house and their average monthly electric bill was like $140, now it's like $15, and they've financed the system at $100/mo [15:37:38] what I find stupid is... a while back, someone got a grant for a solar instulation on his roof. But then the grant was revoked mid way through the instulation because someone next door got approval to build a house one floor higher than his. [15:37:46] The city own a few appartement blocs and since they don't plan on selling them soon-ish, they put solar panel on the roof [15:37:47] so they're already at a lower monthly liability with the added plus of using renewable energy, plus there's federal tax credits for having solar, not sure if it's just on the installation or if you get a small amount annually too [15:38:09] they also found out, the foundation was put in less than a couple of feet between from his own. [15:39:35] all the new homes in an area I worked in, have provisions to allow the owner to install solar heating panels on the roof at a later date. Meant, having a set of guide tubes that run from the roof to the furnace in a direct path for later installation. [15:40:13] JCB: Heat Pumps are super popular here... [15:40:43] I'm guessing if their monthly payment is $100 the $40k must've been the net installation cost, US Fed Govt reimburses 30% which would bring the numbers down a bit [15:40:47] ya I saw some videos, someone had a really cool idea of making a solar air heater for his basement using metal drain pipes painted black [15:40:57] yet, people still heat up their pools... Why not combine the 2? [15:41:02] financing a solar system for 30 years is insane though, I would only do that if it were a new construction and rolled in with the mortgage [15:41:43] foster family I got settled with, had a pool installed along with solar heating panels.. it worked. Mind you, couldn't figure out where all the air bubbles were coming from [15:41:58] on the plus side, in US market adding solar to a home increases it's value by about 85% of the cost of the system [15:42:34] so even in a $40k installation situation, if you decide to sell your house in 5 years the increased equity brings you a return even if the energy savings hasn't been fully realized [15:44:07] Hmm... 6' satillite dish... sun... tinfoil... [15:44:37] don't DIY a solar concentrator, you'll set your house on fire :P [15:45:01] I've already done a test with a smaller directtv type dish [15:45:04] course you can get one of these puppies http://smartflowersolar.com/ [15:45:14] they're designed to power an average European home [15:45:30] I saw one in Springfield Missouri, they're pretty neat [15:45:32] Action: darsie rescued Lemmon and Sugar Kerman from Kerbin orbit :). [15:45:37] sides.. if i did set it up.. it go in the backyard, facing away, [15:45:42] one advantage they have over fixed systems is they're solar tracking [15:45:59] so they get optimal exposure during the entire day [15:46:15] and they'll stow themselves during bad weather and at night to protect the panels [15:46:38] also can take it with you when you move [15:48:13] I still have my supposedly 150watt solar panel.. [15:48:45] why "supposedly" [15:48:59] 150watt is enough to charge a gaming laptop, that's about it :P [15:49:38] lol.. was just about to explain... someone came by, a while after I had it, asked how old it was. 'well you already lost 30 percent of your capacity due to age already' .... wut? [15:50:05] i don't think that's how PVs work [15:50:21] I'd only had it for a year or so... its barely been out since i've had it [15:50:21] maybe he thought it was battery powered? [15:50:50] PVs do deteriorate over time, but not 30% in 1 year [15:51:09] most projections I've seen show a system declining about 20% over a 25 year lifespan [15:51:40] according to a quick search.. looses roughly 1%/year [15:52:07] its ok.. didn't really take them serious anyways. I knew enough about panels [15:53:04] and they're like most electronic things, the projected deterioration is based on mean time before failure, you could have a cell that puts out 90% of its rated value indefinitely [15:53:53] my old boss still has a 20lb 1GB hard drive from like 1990 that works, even though it should've failed years ago [15:53:55] or a capacity that works fine for 20 years, then suddenly blows [15:54:04] improbable... but I've seen 15year old hardrives... so you never know [15:54:09] or never been used for 30 years, blows soon as it get sused ;P [15:54:19] this beast would kill a 100w solar panel on its own :P [15:54:28] we used to to load test questionable power supplies lol [15:54:43] I still have a working 8088 machine [15:54:47] "this PSU is testing fine, go get Bertha, let's see what happens" [15:55:09] speaking of load testing.... let me go search a name up.. [15:55:25] lug the giant 20lb hard drive over, plug it in, listen to it wind up and shake the whole desk (might be exaggerating a little) and see if the PSU survives [15:56:25] instead of using magnetic bits the thing probably writes data like a phonograph by scoring the surface with a needle lol [15:57:42] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xapsn6-9sDU [15:57:42] YouTube - Which Are The Real Photos of Spacecraft? Theyre Out There and Theyre Amazing [15:58:22] madmerlyn: the original 1950s era was using the same tech as today... only it had a capacity of 8k and was bigger then a fridge [15:58:45] yeah yeah I know [15:59:11] Speaking of Phonograph: don't buy the Roxblock or whatever it's called [16:01:47] madmerlyn does this channel seem familiar to you? https://www.youtube.com/user/Photonvids [16:03:09] familiar? no. Neat? yes. Though I wouldn't be building any kind of tesla coils or farraday ladders in my home, lol [16:03:55] err Jacob's ladder [16:04:37] bah more coffee, I don't know anything [16:04:39] or glowing steel chains [16:05:22] hehe photonicinduction [16:05:23] it looks a bit like a less reckless electroboom [16:05:27] that guy is crazy [16:07:00] ve2dmn: rokblok? yeah, that'll quickly kill your vinyl [16:07:31] snow: the kickstarter thingy [16:08:03] yup [16:08:10] what caught my attention to his channel a while back was the stupid bright flashlight project he built [16:08:46] he built his own power supply [16:08:51] oh ya.. forget filiments in your bulb... more like door springs [16:08:58] you know for several hundred amps and such [16:09:19] then again, talk'n about 20kw bulb here [16:10:08] I'm reminded of the old 'Infinite Solutuion' youtube video battery trick [16:14:11] I love when he plugs the transformer thing in.. its this massive round plug he jams into a receptical [16:48:13] someone making a solar sail mod to visit exoplanets earlier in a career ???? Uh.. that's not how solar sails work. [16:49:18] they don't magically go sublight speed on a strong gust of solar wind lol and once they got past heliopause they would start slowing down or at bare minimum stop accelerating [16:55:51] Why would they start slowing down? [16:56:31] heliopause is where the interstellar medium pressure is equivalent or greater than the solar wind [16:56:33] JCB: 20 kW bulb for what? Setting things on fire or something? [16:57:00] so unless you stow the sail or something, you're going to start decelerating [16:57:11] because the sail will now be dragging in the interstellar medium [16:57:24] madmerlyn: Well, obviously a probe would fold the sail, or at least stop keeping it opened [16:58:04] Also, can still use the ISM for acceleration in some cases, if you orient the probe properly [16:58:44] a solar sail isn't going to go interstellar in any reasonable amount of time, it would have to do lots of cruising in system to build up that kind of velocity [16:58:48] Can't sail "against the wind", but certainly can use it to perform course adjustments [16:59:12] Well, that's a different story, yes [17:03:04] What's reasonable? Arrive first? [17:04:34] Aplayer used in theater, video/movie productions [17:05:40] Well, if solar sails slow you down, use them for that. [17:09:23] I've wondered how a solar sail could be used if all it could do is get pushed outward one direction [17:09:40] JCB: same way a traditional sail gets used [17:10:01] you move it around when the wind isn't in the right direction [17:10:19] ve2dmn but your thinking while being on the water, having something else to push against [17:10:47] ok, think kite then [17:11:18] if you angle it, the thing moves left or right [17:11:41] and you can rotate the craft using reaction wheels [17:12:05] You can decelerate with a solar sail. [17:13:22] hmmm.. ok sorta see how it would work. Guess I"m just used to how sailboats work, being that they also have water to help them track along [17:16:05] water can help or hinder [17:32:46] looks like the static fire testing is underway [17:33:32]