[00:14:12] 47c is kinda hot wow [00:21:44] hows the humitity? [00:21:50] er.. humidity... [00:41:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:43:03] I swear I have my DOSbox set up PERFECTLY for DOS stuff. 32MBV of memory and 40KHZ CPU speed. [00:43:14] ok? [01:23:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:27:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o tfool' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:48:13] uh [04:29:08] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWp2HE1WhLo [04:29:09] YouTube - midwest power 9 WILDMAN DRAG RACE [04:29:24] high-power rocket drag race with around 8 rockets firing at once ^^^ [04:53:37] lol [04:53:52] how do theyu know which one won? [05:01:24] probably altimeters on the rocket [05:17:23] Hello [05:35:59] hello? [05:36:18] can I get help please? [05:44:03] Can you be more specific? (or just leave without actually asking a question) [05:52:23] hello? [05:52:45] help? [05:53:24] We cannot help if you never state the nature of the problem and just leave. [05:54:05] Additionally, IRC is not always real time. Sort of like the forums. Note that eg: it's the middle of the night in the US. [05:54:19] multiplayer notepad. [05:55:47] sorry, I dc [05:56:47] okay [05:58:49] I have this problem in KSP. My 'ship' falls apart on the launch pad after loading in. Never happened before, it has about 110 parts, I thought I had an auto-strut mod installed and in the right file directory so I did not strut manually, there does not seem to be any indication that it is working and no visual cue. Any Ideas why my ship is falling [05:58:49] apart and how to sort it? [05:59:18] 110/203 parts [06:00:20] falls apart and explodes. [06:00:20] Screenshot of the craft? [06:00:37] ''and it exploded!'' lol [06:00:52] no screen shot yet. [06:01:05] How to take screen shot? [06:02:51] F1 [06:03:02] okay I will try to get Screen shot [06:03:57] It'll be in (whatever you KSP directory is)/Screenshots [06:05:14] I pushed F1, how to paste in here? [06:06:36] Upload to your preferred image hosting site (eg: imgur) and paste the link. [06:07:19] I do not know about any hosting site [06:08:49] if you use steam, you can link a steam screenshot you have uploaded. [06:09:27] i think i found imgur here [06:10:50] ok, here is link, this is not finished build, I went to launch to try to find the source of the oxidizer I do not want on the build, that is where I noticed problem with structural integrity. [06:10:52] https://imgur.com/a/8J8ijwY [06:11:42] oh lord the part clipping. [06:11:58] huh? [06:12:41] KrazyKrl: bad enough to cause their problems? [06:13:16] Rhys989: the way lots of parts are overlapping / clipping through each other. [06:13:28] I see. there was an earlier version without the part clipping and it did not boom [06:13:54] so the part clipping is the problem? [06:14:03] Yea, probably. You are clipping parts into other parts which are not attached in a parent-child relationship. [06:14:23] you're creating intersecting cousins. [06:14:33] imbreeding? [06:15:17] no. Parts are specifically set to not really interfere with their immediate part that they were attached to. [06:15:30] think of a tree where the branches are rubbing together. [06:16:10] I do not really understand the business about the symetry with parent and vessel. it looks the same. Could you sudgest a online video explaining it. [06:17:01] The main thing is... you're clipping heavy fuel tanks into MULTIPLE other heavy fuel tanks. Clipping is practically voodoo in the best of times. [06:17:40] you think that bad, you should see underneath [06:17:51] oh mercy [06:18:28] should i just stick to connecting things like that to the main core body then? [06:19:37] try to limit clipping to tucking things into their parent part a bit. [06:20:10] having 1 part touching 4 other parts where those 4 parts touch 16 other parts where those 16 parts touch 64 other parts... [06:20:47] how to identify the parent? Yes I am noob, I hardly been out of Kerbal SOI [06:20:54] Kerbin [06:21:46] it's just how you build the craft (and how it's programmed internally)... you have the root part which is the first part you placed. then you build it like a tree that sprouts branches from a trunk. [06:22:04] the main point is... don't clip stuff too much. [06:22:24] but I need/want the fuel [06:22:30] underneath [06:22:31] https://imgur.com/a/FXxozGB [06:22:31] https://i.imgur.com/JCKG0iK.jpg [06:22:53] yes, and it looks neat. but the physics engine doesn't like it. [06:23:22] The amount of fuel is fine. The tanks intersecting, however& [06:23:52] not only are they intersecting... there are decouplers in there. [06:24:39] what does the flight report say after it explodes? [06:24:43] no decouplers, just the senior docking port (1) [06:24:53] especially the very top entry of the initial failure. [06:25:06] I did not look, I only did it once [06:25:18] too annoyed to look. [06:25:34] well, that would tell you almost exactly what problem you have. [06:26:46] build currently has 70760 units of LF on it, how much to go to eloo and back to Kerbin low orbit? [06:27:38] I want to use it as a tug to anywhere that stays in space [06:27:57] afk [06:35:38] The amount of fuel needed depends on the mass of the craft (including what it's pushing), the Isp of the engines, and the type of trajectory taken. [06:36:38] 71k fuel with NERVAs is going to get you VERY far. [06:38:42] the isp is 800 [06:38:51] thrust is 1920 [06:39:32] you have a lot of dry weight due to lots of tanks and engines. [06:39:37] mass is 508 metric tons [06:41:11] oh, oops. I miss read your previous text, I read it as negative [06:42:11] ;c 71e3/200 [06:42:12] UmbralRaptop: 355 [06:42:29] I think I was originally aiming for 33k Dv but now expecting 10k Dv [06:42:53] ;c 9.80665*800*ln(508/153) [06:42:54] UmbralRaptop: 9414.725476857913769 [06:43:24] ;c 800*9.80665*ln(9) [06:43:24] UmbralRaptop: 17237.929921067388648 [06:43:36] I was putting all that fuel there because I was aiming for 10k fuel and 10k Dv [06:44:24] I wanted 33k Dv but it was starting to look unrealistic figure [06:45:24] and I wanted 2k thrust but I have settled for 1920 [06:45:30] 33 km/s would require at least 2 stages (and more practically 3) [06:46:29] well, I have not got as far as a lifter yet, it actually achieves a TWR=1.06 at 5.3 km or so [06:47:45] I wanted to isolate and remove the oxidiser when i first noticed its structural integ. problem [06:48:20] But now it would seem I would have to pick it apart in the VAB now anyway to get rid of the clipping [06:48:43] somehow, I managed to bury some oxidiser in there. [06:50:02] I do not understand your numbers in above text [06:51:37] calculated your dV as ~17,000 unless i'm not reading it correctly. [06:53:58] this still relevant? https://i.imgur.com/O1dN4.png [06:54:05] pretty close probably. [06:58:41] click for lol [06:58:43] https://imgur.com/a/tQkPxMj [06:58:44] https://i.imgur.com/yJFHxs9.png [06:59:06] Did the front fall off? [07:00:01] core is intact [07:00:38] how to bring up mission in game log? [07:05:45] F3 iirc. [07:06:48] dam, i just reverted [07:06:59] what is iirc? [07:07:32] if i recall correctly [07:07:50] and yes, it's F3 to toggle results screen in KSP. [07:08:28] k thanks [08:27:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:17:05] UmbralRaptop: in Celcius please [09:49:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v Zarthus' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:17:55] hi [12:18:18] i interrupted an eva by starting another eva, and i reboarded the ship. but how do i gain control of the first eva again? [12:18:52] the pause menu warns that 'you are on a ladder' if i try to click tracking station [12:20:43] still there? [12:20:49] which version ksp? [12:21:55] 1.4.4 [12:22:54] ah ok so pc.. [12:23:10] you'll want to 'switch vessels'.. that is done with the [ and ] keys [12:23:28] it'll work as long as vessels are within 2km of each other [12:23:44] hooray! :-) [12:23:53] that was easy [12:24:19] so.. now if you wanna do a rescue mission later.. you know how to take command of the other kerbal/vessel when you get close enough [12:25:28] now to get these kerbs home [12:25:32] 40 fuel :v [12:25:56] very carefully? [12:26:22] long as you can get part of your orbit down past 70km.. you'll eventually come down [12:27:25] i am in orbit around the mun xD [12:27:45] i had to eva to reset my science jr [12:28:09] the scientist is in the crew cabin, so i had to eva the pilot in the command module first, and then transfer him since there's no crew hatch [12:29:02] oh mun... [12:29:08] ya that can pose a bit of a problem.. [12:29:46] is it equipped with docking ports? [12:30:21] no [12:30:28] not that far in career yet [12:31:44] could always get out and push.. though that gets a little tricky [12:32:23] rescue missio [12:32:25] unless you have relays around the mun... wouldn't suggest a robotic resuce [12:32:37] then rescue mission for the rescue mission [12:32:57] nah.. I tend to like planning my stuff a little better [12:33:19] damnit [12:33:33] do have a rescue contract mission... no idea where kerbal was till I took it. stupid ended up half way to the south pole on the mun [12:33:37] 1.m million meters from kerbin [12:33:47] oh.. [12:33:47] 1.3 [12:33:57] i almost got my trajectory back but ran out of fuel. [12:34:03] was going to suggest holding off till you could get something else out there [12:34:37] how do you 'get out and push'? [12:34:42] not a total loss.. just need to get something out there to help it before the mun throws your orbit out of wack [12:34:47] 1)get out 2) push [12:34:51] kerbals have jetpacks.. [12:34:56] i mean [12:34:59] and they replendish fuel for free [12:35:01] i can't hold onto ladder no? [12:35:05] no [12:35:08] you have a pilot right? [12:35:23] get one non-pilot out... because you want the pilot to keep the ship stable [12:35:51] jet around to a spot, use the kerbal to bump into the ship, push it retro further.. just take care not to run out of pack fuel [12:36:05] turn on SAS, put pilot in, orient the craft the way you need, get the other kerbal so that it would face the craft's bottom where up is the direction of where it was oriented then turn on jetpack with IJKL buttons forward [12:36:09] roger [12:36:40] you'll have to do some shuffling around with crew because of the one exit [12:36:59] unfortunatley, if crew isn't pilot... SAS won't work [12:37:14] it's tedious [12:37:29] reallly, a rescue mission could take much less IRL time [12:37:54] hopefully... craft won't just blow up on re-entry [12:39:48] the eva jets barely do .1m/s change [12:40:38] as i said, tedious [12:40:46] well they are infinite [12:47:17] covered 400k meters so far :) [12:47:30] few more rounds of eva and i might make it back home [13:09:10] progress? [13:10:52] ~200000m to go [13:10:58] :P [13:11:03] ah [13:11:36] i will probably just burn up anyway [13:14:48] what might an ideal altitude for a hot entry be [13:14:58] i don't really wanna go back around either [13:20:28] from LKO.. usually I set to 35km [13:21:20] might wanna be around 50-55... give yourself a few rounds. likley going in too fast to do a direct descent [13:22:18] we have lost the crew cabit [13:22:20] cabin. [13:25:01] hooray [13:25:04] chutes deployed [13:25:24] only my command pod, service bay with batteries, and chutes survived [13:25:31] everything else burned off :( [13:25:42] probably came down too deep [13:26:28] was 35km [13:26:35] but it got hot pretty fast [13:26:41] was going in at like 3200m/s.. [13:28:50] RIP bob and valentina. [13:30:15] 35.. only if you in stable LKO orbit.. [13:30:25] otherwise.. coming from moon, ya, you'll have too much speed built on [13:31:41] I'mma make a video.. my jump jet pod thing.. reaching out to the mountains to get surface sample [13:33:55] what is this nonsense [13:34:00] take *five* tourists to the mun [13:34:19] i need coffee [13:41:44] s'ok.. I took 10 [13:41:51] 2 wanted just Kerbin orbit [13:42:02] so 12 total.. plus pilot ;) [14:18:14] wee... [14:47:06] ferg... [14:47:30] having to convert video... little sounds in background from KSP... ya, got a little messed up. >.< [15:56:34] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05291-5#Ack1 [16:16:15] now i got *onto* the mun [16:16:18] now to get off :) [16:19:09] crap [16:19:15] have 3 fuel. [16:23:45] reverted flight. :( [16:35:03] Or rescue mission. [16:40:15] Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member 'kloeri' https://bryanostergaard.com/ [16:43:13] cockmaster_ kicked from #kspofficial by UmbralRaptop: polyticks [16:45:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:52:55] Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member 'kloeri' https://bryanostergaard.com/ [16:54:44] Yay, IRCOps [17:00:24] Infrared Cops [17:01:36] Action: UmbralRaptop hands Zarthus, Hikaru, mr_flea, et al dewers of liquid nitrogen. [17:02:03] ah, more fuel for the ircds [17:08:24] my rocket sucks [17:09:14] That's just the turbopumps. [17:11:24] Aww, I missed the fun again [17:11:39] Not by that much, though [17:16:19] oh, wow, somebody is driving a real smear campaign against kloeri. With fake blog posts and stuff. [17:19:04] they're not even on the right network [17:22:11] What the heck did the guy do anyway? [17:25:10] my experience on what is necessary to do in order to end up being harassed on the internet: nada. [17:32:13] The internet is a very interesting place. All sorts of stuff going on. [17:32:27] Not all of the things you can find there are nice. [17:32:37] so do i swap my 4 thumper boosters for liquid fuel engines and chain them with a pipe to my main engine? [17:32:47] err, 6 thumpers [17:33:33] mischief: An image, as well as the issues your rocket has, would be helpful. [17:33:58] i lack oomph [17:34:30] Either use MOAR boosters, LESS weight, or DIFFERENT boosters. ;-) [17:34:43] word [17:34:52] i could upgrade from 6 thumpers to 6 kickbacks [17:34:59] they cost a lot though :( [17:35:17] Liquid engine & fuel tank stacks can also be considered as boosters [17:35:26] rocket's already at $33,192 kerb-bucks or whatever they are. [17:35:28] But, again, an image would help me help you [17:36:33] It's entirely possible that eg: 6 thumpers � 4 kickbacks would make sense. [17:36:43] But also, pics. [17:37:02] i.imgur.com/joHB69U.jpg [17:37:09] err [17:37:20] https://i.imgur.com/2iCQN89.jpg [17:37:42] The rocket you are requesting does not exist or is no longer available. [17:37:45] needs moar boosters [17:37:59] Is this a Mun lander? [17:38:05] yeah [17:38:14] Pretty sure the lander tank can be halved in size [17:38:29] APlayer: it was halved the first time around [17:38:36] first time i made it the whole way and then i ran out of fuel trying to deorbit back to home [17:38:47] 16:19:09 mischief | crap [17:38:51] 16:19:15 mischief | have 3 fuel. [17:38:54] 16:23:45 mischief | reverted flight. :( [17:39:02] Don't need the reaction wheels on it either, you have strong built in ones in the capsule [17:39:34] I'm pretty sure the issue is related to your trajectory if you're not making it. At most, add a half size tank with a quarter size one [17:39:44] I bet adding another tank of liquid fuel somewhere would do the most for �v. [17:40:14] i could put another Large tank for my Skipper engine [17:40:41] (thats on the bottom) [17:41:55] DO you have KER or MechJeb to show the delta V readouts? [17:41:58] Do* [17:42:57] nope, mod free :-P [17:43:03] Ah, I see [17:43:10] i suppose i should get mechjeb, but i wanted to try career without mods [17:43:51] Well, I once again suggest beginning the modifications with the lander, because you can make it lighter, and that's what saves the most dv [17:44:10] APlayer: my problems so far have been getting *off* the mun though [17:44:41] i could ditch a battery and half the tank back to the original but not much else. [17:44:41] Can you record the dry and fuelled mass of the lander for me? [17:44:56] You can also ditch the reaction wheels [17:45:47] �V information is so important that it arguably should be stock. [17:46:08] engineer report seems to say 4.085t [17:46:22] When dry? [17:46:28] tank is FL-T400 [17:46:32] i assume that's full. [17:46:48] let's see.. [17:46:50] If you right click the tank, you can change the amount of fuel in it with the sliders [17:46:59] Default is full [17:47:10] FL-T400 is 2.25t, liquid fuel is 0.9 t and oxidizer is 1.1 t. [17:47:21] I see [17:47:37] so my ship is about 3t when empty and 4t when full [17:47:57] !c 9.81 * 330 * ln(4.085 / 2.085) [17:48:01] Uh [17:48:07] ;c 9.81 * 330 * ln(4.085 / 2.085) [17:48:07] APlayer: 2177.255415961027405 [17:48:11] Ah, there we go [17:48:25] did you miss a digit [17:48:27] Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate [17:48:39] sysdef kicked from #kspofficial by UmbralRaptop: sysdef [17:48:45] Quick clicking [17:48:46] hehe that was fast [17:48:52] Zarthus! [17:49:00] you tried [17:49:06] but I saw them before you called my name! [17:49:10] Ah, thanks. [17:49:14] UmbralRaptop++ Zarthus++ thanks for taking care of that stuff [17:49:33] what's the .rs tld again? [17:50:10] .rs? [17:50:19] Serbia, apparently. [17:51:04] Serbia indeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.rs [17:51:09] APlayer: was that suppoed to be ln(4.085 / 3.085) insted of ln(4.085 / 2.085) ? [17:51:23] mischief: 0.9 t + 1.1 t = 2 t [17:51:31] derp [17:51:35] Action: mischief drinks more coffee [17:51:37] I subtracted 2 t from 4.085 t [17:51:43] ah, used in rust projects [17:51:45] naturally [17:52:09] APlayer: is this delta v? [17:53:24] Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate [17:53:33] mischief: Yes, it is. Generally, you need 600 m/s for takeoff or landing at the Mun, 290 m/s to enter Mun orbit from a transmunar trajectory or to return to Kerbin from a low Mun orbit, and unfortunately I don't remember how much to get from LKO to LMO [17:53:37] lots of spam tonight [17:53:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+b *!*@68-119-2-167.dhcp.unas.wa.charter.com' by APlayer!~APlayer@p200300C22BC0FD0039C500E2A5E7923C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [17:54:16] https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/75168637/the-beacons-are-lit-gondor-calls-for-aid.jpg [17:54:48] Action: APlayer needs to practice his kickban moves, though [17:54:58] i'm gonna muck around a little bit with my rocket and try mun one more time [17:55:07] if i fail ill bend and install mechjeb [17:55:29] mischief: In any case, 2 km/s is about as much as I was using to get from LKO, to the Mun surface and back to Kerbin, IIRC [17:55:52] Unfortunately, I haven't played in the stock solar system for a long time now [17:56:03] haha. [17:56:20] 900 m/s from LKO to TMI, apparently [17:56:53] So you use 2700 m/s [17:57:00] ^ [17:57:15] Perhaps I was bringing 3 km/s in total [17:57:29] i've added an additional Rockomax X200-16 for my Skipper engine. [17:57:38] should give a bit more oomph. [17:57:45] But anyway, in most rockets, it's the upper stage that should be doing the transfer orbit insertion, and the lander needs 1800 m/s [17:58:00] This is including some safety margin already [17:58:13] by your calculation mine is 2177 ? [17:58:21] Yes [17:58:31] You can safely cut 400 m/s there [17:59:10] If you remove a battery, the reaction wheels and half the tankage, you may just about get there [17:59:42] Perhaps you will need one of the orange torodial tanks there [18:00:06] wait [18:00:10] so my lander is too heavy? [18:00:25] I'm pretty sure you can make it much lighter [18:00:38] Did you remove the monopropellant from the crew capsule too, by the way? [18:01:04] no haha [18:01:10] i didnt even know you could deduct fuel. [18:01:30] Well, now you know another trick. ;-) [18:04:09] okay [18:04:13] i think the extra gas helped [18:04:27] havent even ejected the large tank yet, and i just finished aligning my kerbin orbit [18:04:57] is it ok to do orbital transfers at points other than ap and pe? [18:05:21] As long as your orbit is reasonably circular, no, the kraken will get you [18:05:33] ;-) [18:05:59] what [18:07:48] You can do your maneuver wherever you want to do it, and if your orbit is reasonably circular, it does not matter at all [18:08:53] Even if you have a very elliptic orbit, you can do your maneuver anywhere, not just at the periapsis. But if you do it close to the apoapsis, you're going to get less out of it, because of the oberth effect [18:09:09] im at 118k/101k on kerbin [18:09:13] here we go to the mun :) [18:09:36] That's close enough to circular, but doing it at the periapsis would be just slightly more efficient [18:10:03] also, is there ever a time i should prefer the Target marker on the nav ball to my manuever marker? [18:10:11] is Target marker more accurate? [18:10:28] No, not at all [18:11:39] The maneuver marker is where you want to point if you want to end up in the trajectory your maneuver should get you to. The target marker points only to the Mun. They may end up opposite if you overshoot your maneuver, and pointing at the target marker would only overshoot you even more [18:12:16] Action: APlayer goes to buy some grammar [18:12:26] But I guess that was understandable enough [18:16:12] haha [18:16:14] oops. [18:16:29] didn't get a orbin trajectory for the mun [18:16:35] instead got a crash trajectory xD [18:16:40] Perfect [18:17:06] Now warp until you pass about 2/3 of the transfer and to a course correction [18:17:17] do* a course correction [18:17:53] this is what i meant https://i.imgur.com/0bjs1IN.jpg [18:18:11] Woops, that's a bit close to the Mun now [18:18:44] You could have made an efficient trajectory correction while some distance off in the Kerbin SOI. It will cost you 10 or 20 m/s now [18:18:57] Perhaps even more [18:19:16] i still have half of my tank before the lander [18:19:24] so i could just try to use it all going retrograde [18:19:49] Then you have absolutely plenty [18:20:46] maybe i can land it pointing straight up o.O [18:21:04] You will ditch the tank before you begin descent anyway, and you have way too much fuel to use it all up before that. May as well expend some fuel for a nice trajectory [18:21:23] I don't recommend landing on the tank. It will make EVA harder, and it's an unjustified risk [18:21:44] Your lander has more than enough fuel to do all you need without the upper stage [18:22:37] At the very most, do a constant altitude burn with the upper stage tank, ditch it, and then do a suicide burn with the lander. But without pre-calculated readouts, that will be exceptionally hard [18:23:19] went to help the Freenode staffers with that problem person. They say it's just a single person doing this. [18:24:00] TBH, I highly doubt more than one person would be entertained by doing such a thing [18:24:24] 5000m and 30m/s [18:24:26] we are good [18:26:24] .. damnit [18:26:30] ship fell over. [18:26:36] Aww [18:26:46] How much fuel is there left? [18:27:17] like 75 or 80% :) [18:27:24] based on our supplier of liquid nitrogen, 150% [18:27:51] I think you're good to leave it with your crew for safety reasons, and try to launch it upright from the next hill [18:28:14] Disable the reaction wheels to conserve the battery, though. At least until you're off the ground [18:28:28] i am wiggling down the hill [18:28:36] Zarthus: What about coffee? [18:28:37] if it was steeper i think the reaction wheels could pick me up :/ [18:28:38] who uses reaction wheels [18:28:45] I just bother putting rcs everywhere [18:29:10] ill get the eva over with [18:29:11] mischief: Just point upwards at the hill and light the engine [18:30:06] Do not attempt to use the engine gimbal to get upright, though, it may destroy the lander [18:30:53] :( [18:31:09] and what, scraping the ground doesn't? [18:32:39] It does too, but not as much as pointing the engine upwards due to the gimbal, and pressing your ship into the ground with it [18:33:35] You may also attempt to disable gimbal, enable reaction wheels, light the engine and get upright this way. But you don't have any way to replenish the lost electric charge and you may need it later for reentry or whatever [18:33:58] oh my [18:34:01] i broke my engine. [18:34:26] That's unfortunate. How did it happen? [18:34:38]