[01:31:08] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: "The rocket equation is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be overcome." - William Tecumseh Kerman, Datalinks [01:35:42] Laser launch! [01:36:14] UmbralRaptor: The correct answer was, in fact, a cannon assisted launch. [01:36:48] However, their failures during the Kerbal Uncivil War left much to be desired. [01:36:58] Photons, black powder, close enough. [01:38:42] It was by sheer coincidence that said cannons were more useful as direct fire artillery. [01:40:11] This clever retooling of existing tech was later dramatized in every Ace Combat game ever made. [01:42:50] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders the absence of American Civil War games made in the Total War manner, particularly given the appeal of Fall of the Samurai. [01:45:08] Not many factions. [01:45:54] UmbralRaptor: Sure there are. You could have political infighting! [01:46:07] Hrm [01:46:27] Also: Hypothetical scenarios such as an invasion of Cuba (something the Confederacy had entertained) and a British intervention (also unlikely). [01:47:23] There are also Second Mexican Empire shenanigans around this time. [01:49:05] There can be a Franco-Prussian War DLC? [01:50:33] Scolar_Visari: Invading Cuba was something the US entertained as a whole for quite some time [01:50:58] Kosmonaut: Well it sort of happened with the Spanish-American War, much to the chagrin of the Cubans themselves. [01:51:13] Scolar_Visari: though there are mods for Napoleon for a Civil War mode [01:51:37] Psht, go Fall of the Samurai or go to Empire's poor firing drills! [01:53:50] Though the Total War games have always seemed a bit too small in scale for the time periods. [01:55:26] Perhaps a change is in order? Maybe a Supreme Commander-esque setup with large battle maps plus the nifty zooming? [02:02:07] Sigh, perhaps it's also not too much to task for a cruiser simulator? [02:03:03] Heck, a proper Age-of-Sail frigate sim shouldn't be too hard given the Pirates knockoffs. [02:06:20] Scolar_Visari: if they could do 100k+strong armies I would die [02:06:42] Though, how big was the largest Napoleon conflict? [02:07:09] 250k iirc [02:07:56] Kosmonaut: Yeah, there were battles in the Classical era that are larger than anything the Total War engine's ever reasonably produced. To say nothing of battles in ancient China, where the next title's taking palce. [02:09:05] Well, people sometimes underestimate old militaries. Iirc the first invasion of Korea by Japan was 100++k and that was in the 1500s [02:09:42] I can't imagine organizing that kind of fight in game though [02:10:09] Heck, nearly a 100,000 died in Cannae alone. [02:11:42] Again, I think a Supreme Commander approach would be more helpful than the relatively tiny maps of the typical Total War games (their ginormous fantasy cities notwithstanding). It'd also help if the AI was not chronically stupid. [02:11:54] I do love NTW though. Best looking of the series. Besides Shogun [02:12:00] But both different styles [02:12:09] I can't stand atilla [02:12:12] I've . . . I've grown to accepted Warhammer II as the one, true Total War title. [02:12:28] I just don't like it [02:12:32] I mean. It's a good game [02:12:37] You just can't handle it! Heathen! [02:12:41] I just don't like the WH universe [02:12:54] Meh, it's not for everyone. Particularly Warhammer Fantasy's current incarnation. [02:13:01] But, lizardmen though. [02:13:36] I'll be honest. The only reason I bought Warhammer II was because it dinosaurs riding larger dinosaurs into battle. I couldn't have cared less for the setting until then. [02:13:38] I'm looking forward to the Chinese Tw [02:13:58] Romance of the Total War Kingdoms for the win. [02:14:01] But Shogun and Napoleon man... Mmmmmmm [02:14:27] SHAMEFURU DISUPREI [02:14:29] Action: Scolar_Visari still stares at Napoleon's questionable handling of infantry shooting and (still) abysmal AI controlled artillery. [02:14:45] Scolar_Visari: MODS [02:14:52] Kosmonaut: Not nearly as fun as the Medieval I voiceovers. [02:15:11] but NTW visuals are so good. Aged wonderfully [02:15:34] Mods can't actually fix the AI's artillery stupidity. For reasons that allude me, CA never thought to make it so artillery would fire at the center of selected units instead of the extreme ends. [02:17:25] There's also authenticity issues. As I recall, units should've marched into battle via columns and only formed into two to three deep linear formations when combat was imminent. [02:18:28] Scolar_Visari: there's actually a mod regarding the formation [02:18:50] Your troops can only really move in columns [02:20:45] Action: Scolar_Visari entertains the notion of a computer controlled army of thousands marching in an open line for miles, losing order and getting annihilated. [02:24:49] It'd also be nice if officers were implemented in a believable fashion rather than as giving off a magical aura or (gasp) leading the charge ala Alexander. [02:27:25] "Lieutenant, any word on those reinforcements?" "They're not coming, sir, the General was just killed while personally leading against a Gatling gun emplacement!" [02:30:36] Wait a second . . . How can there be *12* seasons of Ancient Aliens!? [02:31:04] Aliens. [02:31:13] That's more than freaking X-Files! [02:31:35] because people are gullible. [02:33:09] Hrm, the Wikipedia talk page for Ancient Aliens is not as fun as I was hopinh. [02:34:50] Not enough, "This page is bias (sic)" silliness for my taste. [02:41:09] Action: Scolar_Visari should make a Wikipedia pseudoscience bingo game. [02:41:25] I'd recommend a drinking game, but I'm afraid it would leade to fatal alcohol poisoning. [02:47:08] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to develop aliens. [02:50:55] 88888888 [02:53:43] Yay? [02:58:12] well, he stayed longer than most do... [03:54:02] I'll be honest. The only reason I bought Warhammer II was because it dinosaurs riding larger dinosaurs into battle. <-- how is that any stranger than mammals riding mammals into battle? [06:40:57] Elon Musk is the best troll. [06:41:47] what happened [06:42:44] He deleted the facebook pages of Tesla and SpaceX in response to #deletefacebook . [06:42:58] what is deletefacebook [06:43:21] Where you delete your facebook account. [06:43:38] i cant do that, ess i was doing it before it was cool :) [06:52:03] im considering it. not seriously considering it though. dunno [07:00:19] morning [07:04:00] star [07:09:35] base [07:09:46] 16 [07:23:13] 192 [07:23:26] 168 [07:24:11] divisible by 7 [07:25:29] I can't delete my facebook because I never even registered [07:25:42] #metoo [07:26:55] i think i tried to sign up to StudiVZ once, not sure if i was actually successful [07:28:46] yes that is what i wanted to write but the middle was cut out [08:37:30] Played the first mission a bit [08:37:37] gotta say, poor design [08:38:11] the sub-missions are fine, the problem is that it's punishing in that you have to start the whole thing over again if you fail [08:38:49] it's not punishing... it's just tedious. [08:38:58] the worst kind of difficulty. [08:39:04] thus punishing [08:39:33] even if it's relatively easy, having to go through that tedium every time is punishing [08:39:39] no, punishing would be resarting with less than you normally start with. [08:39:58] no, that would be extra punishing [09:01:18] i remember another world [09:01:32] although it looked good and it wa interesting, i found it really annoying to play [09:01:38] because of similar reasons [12:04:28] joke level: red5 https://i.redd.it/26ajk5j44on01.jpg [12:23:20] ? [12:23:27] anybody there? [12:24:06] is there anyone who can answer for my small question plz? [12:24:21] ? [12:26:22] maybe [12:26:31] but we will never know if you dont ask [12:32:04] oh sorry [12:32:05] Hello! [12:32:08] hi [12:32:10] wow [12:32:15] Wanna see my video? [12:32:16] good to see someone here [12:32:22] dark and deep space [12:32:29] i have a question [12:32:33] um.. [12:32:37] i'm doing career mode [12:32:46] i am the space plane architect of my own destruction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwj3dLl4mRY [12:32:46] YouTube - I Am The Architect Of My Own Destruction... [12:32:51] and i've done Eve landing and back mission [12:33:18] the Explore mission from facillity is keep going [12:33:29] but i have no idea how far will it go [12:33:58] is it just repeatation of going to some planet and back? [12:34:07] Wanna se my vid about launching a shell on kerbin, using a mass accelerator? [12:34:12] See* [12:35:21] hey, psst, kids, wanna build rockets? [12:35:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK3R2uTVsXU [12:35:29] YouTube - Railgun shell firing in KSP [12:37:33] About halfway with my circumnavication trip in my Hoverjet, taking the scenic route through a river though: http://puu.sh/zOuQ3/e7f2db41cb.jpg [12:37:58] Noice [13:16:03] I need Funds to upgrade R&D to get bigger engines, and all my contracts need bigger engines [13:16:42] Moar boosters! [13:17:08] Yeah basically, I'm clustering Skippers [13:19:04] Are you building a battlecruiser fleet or something? [13:19:25] what kind of contarct? [13:20:07] sometimes nuclear engine solve everything [13:20:19] Mun & Minmus space stations [13:20:27] ah space station [13:20:34] And yes, I've just got the LV-N and I think I will use it for the last stage [13:20:47] I'm using Kerbal Atomics + CryoTanks + Sigma Dimensions at 4x [13:21:05] Oh 4x [13:21:33] That explains a few things [13:21:34] Yep. 2x delta-v costs. sqrt(4) [13:21:59] How does Kerbin look at the surface with that? [13:22:22] Pretty decent [13:22:45] I mean it wasn't that amazing before, after all. The terrain is a little blocky [13:23:07] I don't think I'd want it any more washed out than it is, at least not when I'm doing hoverjet exploration [13:24:17] Im vanilla user [13:24:21] that [13:24:50] is 'sigma dimension' name of a mod? [13:26:22] Guest41745, yes, it rescales the solar system, so I can increase difficulty in a simple and consisten way. [13:26:46] 4x scale -> sqrt(4) = 2 times the delta-v to get anywhere. [13:27:03] i see [13:27:17] maybe he is playing RSS scale? [13:27:45] With that plus cryotanks, which are lighter but bulky, I have 3.75m tanks and I have run out of vertical room in the VAB :P [13:27:53] Soon I will unlock 5m tanks, though [13:27:59] wow [13:28:04] that's cool [13:28:40] i've done quite many things in vanilla mod [13:28:54] but those would make things very tough [13:29:00] mod and something [13:30:06] Mods are great. I wouldn't enjoy stock; played KSP maybe 2000 hours [13:31:08] holy.. [13:31:21] How do spaceplanes and SSTOs hold up at 4x? [13:31:37] nice question [13:33:27] hi [13:34:17] mod9000 [13:34:22] 9000 mods? [13:34:39] sry [13:34:44] I'd assume 2x ”V makes SSTOs impractical. [13:35:16] how about semi-ssto [13:35:36] Two stage to orbit? [13:35:38] divide the rapier engine after you've done with it [13:35:41] yeah [13:37:25] is there anyone who plays career mode? [13:38:21] Is 4x just the mass, or also diameter or volume or distance? [13:38:48] 4x diameter with mass adjusted to provide same surface gravity, I would assume [13:38:51] sounds like 4x diameter. [13:39:17] So Kerbin would be almost as large as Titan. [13:39:26] So you should make almost 4600m/s to orbit? [13:39:29] ok [13:40:03] 4600 m/s + losses. [13:40:14] yeah [13:40:26] and the atmosphere exist until 14000m? [13:40:27] So Mun would be easier to hit at 4x diameter. Is SOI also increased? [13:40:49] 140000* [13:40:52] Should be, yeah [13:40:53] Unsure. [13:41:30] Mass ratio to LKO with stock engines would be ~5-6? [14:15:10] https://i.imgur.com/ceusYZZ.jpg <<< huh, SpaceX facebook page deleted [14:15:29] that feels like it should've been a meme, not an actual thing which happened [14:15:36] kuzetsa: musk deleted it because Twitter said so [14:15:53] he should delete his twitter too [14:18:04] ::shrug:: pretty sure the issue which sparked the twitter hashtag was facebook not having enough internal policy / safeguards in place to keep cambridge analytica from "doing the thing" [tm], among other shenanigans - I haven't researched that hashtag to make a better-informed remark [14:19:06] I feel much more weird about what happened with arca and their development of aerospike-based launchers [14:20:37] allegedly, some people with the ability to detain the founder had xenophobic motive to prevent a romanian from raising capital in the 'states to develop & test things further :( [14:21:07] detain, and also block communication with the development team / US-based wing of the arca brand [14:21:47] 2017 / 2018 has been a weird time for earth space program [14:23:38] Stopping by on a 5 km mountaintop with the hoverjet just in time for a Munset: http://puu.sh/zOxpj/33e1f1ea95.jpg [14:24:28] Lyneira: not sure what a hoverjet is, but my guess is some kind of design feature which made such an implausible landing possible O_O [14:25:03] kuzetsa: It has anti grav motors from Kerbal Foundries under the wings and fuselage. Think of them as invisible shopping cart wheels with no friction [14:25:07] I should really do more SPH vehicles, even if they're vertical (pad + boosters) launch [14:25:16] That take a ton of power [14:25:20] ooooh [14:25:34] This thing needs about 24 EC/s just to float on those anti grav motors [14:25:54] that seems implausibly low [14:25:59] So there's two liquidfuel->EC converters on board [14:26:19] IDK maybe [14:26:21] No idea if that's low or high, it's kinda a lot by stock standards [14:26:32] perhaps [14:26:39] The power is based on the mass of the ship [14:26:50] ah, that's less weird then [14:26:53] And if you impact the ground hard with them, they'll eat a ton of EC to keep you from crashing [14:26:59] oh! [14:27:11] Their suspension is basically power based [14:27:54] so it really could be using some kind of specific energy (joules per kilograms) conversion to decide how expensive it is to "not gravity" ? [14:27:59] Yeah [14:28:04] I like it :) [14:28:46] If you add more antigrav motors the total EC consumption doesn't really increase for hovering, but it does make things more stable when you hit the ground at an angle [14:28:56] nod [14:29:05] If you don't have enough the antigrav motors might not be able to handle the impact and you crash anyway [14:29:15] makes sense [14:29:51] but yeah I can hover over flattish grasslands at 270 m/s or so without a problem [14:30:38] On the ocean (yes it works on water too) you can basically go at just over Mach 1 [14:30:46] With just 1/3rd thrust [14:31:13] And it has ISRU equipment in the cargo bay to refuel [14:31:16] if you put a bunch of mainsails under the VAB and tried to fly it to jool, adding an extra dozen or so mainsails might improve maneuverability, but it'd still need about the same fuel per second to hover once it gets to jool [14:31:44] Action: kuzetsa shakes head trying to picture that [14:32:35] poodles have better vacuum Isp. whatever. [14:33:35] Maybe I'll make an ion based hovercraft for airless worlds one day [14:33:42] nice [14:33:46] Go crater skipping on the Mun [14:55:44] https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial:Advanced_Rocket_Design <<< Failed to parse (unknown error) ... is this just erroring for me or is it broken? [14:56:07] kuzetsa, me too [14:56:12] :( [14:56:25] the talk page for that page is full of the same error spam [14:56:27] The source for the first error is "

\Delta v

" [14:56:39] Someone must have broken a formatting plugin [14:56:52] Just read the source [14:56:58] :( [14:57:09] I don't understand that syntax though [14:57:17] it's a weird notation, I mean [14:57:40] Ah, it does get a bit harder to read later in, yeah [14:57:53] What did you need to know, though? Surely there are other tutorials [14:58:21] broke shortly before 1,4 [14:58:48] *1.4 [14:58:57] I'm trying to remember the correct way to use specific impulse and the ratio of wet/dry mass to get my dV [14:59:06] I know a natural log is involved, but not sure where that goes [14:59:44] 9.80665 * Isp * ln(wet/dry) [14:59:56] thanks [15:00:49] so if I wanted feet/s dV I'd use imperial instead of metric gravity heh [15:00:57] (forgot about that conversion factor too) [15:02:49] Yeah [15:03:21] so on the order of magnitude of 3km/s dV for the ARCA Demonstrator 3 [15:03:45] that's such a weird thing to do using peroxide monoprop [15:04:16] I really hope they get to do the text [15:04:19] *test [15:04:30] ARCA is, uh, I don't trust them. [15:04:41] what is ARCA [15:06:17] A company that produces more concept videos than hardware. (Contrast with Copenhagen Suborbitals which posts videos of them building and testing things) [15:06:37] no - they already built the hardware [15:06:53] a nice render farm? [15:07:17] nah, it's basically boat-building composite-type construction [15:07:45] you just need the right shapes and the time to layer everything together [15:09:45] the specific impulse values, wet/dry ratio, and construction method are all what they should be [15:12:15] the science & math checks out even if there's some conflicting ideas about how startups should be operated or funds raised, etc. meh [15:12:25] politics getting in the way of science / R&D is annoying [15:12:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:12:48] What is this about? [15:15:32] Lyneira: suborbital test [15:15:32] http://www.arcaspace.com/en/demonstrator_3.htm [15:16:02] I really hope it's just a delay, not a full cancellation [15:21:45] TL;DR -- it would have 3km/s dV on a vehicle (entire vessel is made of cheaply produced composites, including the aerospike itself) running on peroxide monoprop... which isn't phenomenally safe to handle, but still a bit less scary than cryogenic things which make fireballs if you make a mistake [15:23:32] if these things can handle the relevant MaxQ during suborbital flights, it's not a bad first step [15:25:27] And they think they can make a rocket SSTO with it? [15:25:49] hiiii [15:27:50] ah cmon, this died too?! [15:30:19] Lyneira: I don't believe full a oribtal injection is possible [15:30:40] They're putting the word SSTO on it in the first sentence [15:30:51] are we talking about eyeballs? ;p [15:31:08] ["... incorporates technology used by the Haas 2CA, a Single Stage to Orbit (SSTO) rocket"] [15:31:16] Well okay, it's a test rocket for a rocket that has to be ssto [15:31:34] but I mean, I thought with earth delta-v requirements SSTO rockets were impossible [15:31:40] the test is with less monoprop [15:32:04] yeah well [15:33:01] the wet/dry ratio is impressive because the whole thing is lightweight composites and doesn't need heavy cryogenic tanks or pumps, etc. [15:34:12] UmbralRaptor: Well, if you click further on that arca site, there are actually a youtube video series about their work on this aerospike demonstrator rocket [15:36:42] Lyneira: they proved / documented that these can be built by a small-ish team in less than 3 months [15:36:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1hnImvI2gw [15:36:54] YouTube - Flight of the Aerospike: Episode 1 [15:37:12] [11:06:17] <@UmbralRaptor> A company that produces more concept videos than hardware. (Contrast with Copenhagen Suborbitals which posts videos of them building and testing things) [15:37:19] ^ that's something UmbralRaptor already knew about, I believe [15:37:21] hrm [15:38:00] Action: UmbralRaptor thought that ARCA had been around for at least 15 years at this point. [15:38:03] hard to say / I'm not qualified to remark on what UmbralRaptor's intent was with the line I quoted above [15:38:38] UmbralRaptor: founded in '99, yeah [15:40:37] they launched the demonstrator 2B vehicle in '04 (non-aerospike vehicle) [15:45:40] So what took them so long to get to this point? [15:46:59] looks like the 2C is planned for a spec at 16280 (wet) / 550 (dry) ... which won't be peroxide-only monoprop [15:48:10] if it gets 314s Isp like they're anticipating, 10km/s for SSTO isn't implausible, I think [15:49:38] Not implausible if it has a couple of Wolfhound's mounted! [15:50:52] But with basically no cargo right? [15:52:19] http://www.arcaspace.com/en/Haas_2CA/specs.htm <<< 100kg payload is specified [15:53:44] but if that wasn't included in what they're calling empty mass, the dV drops to 9,917.5 m/s [15:55:39] which is still plausible for reaching 7.8 km/s orbital velocity because 2km/s for aero losses isn't even unrealistic [15:57:56] Outer Planets's Eeloo theory has been DEBUNKED [16:00:02] i ran a simulation of Eeloo and Sarnus, for 4,900 years. [16:00:40] And Eeloo wasnt captured at all! [16:19:14] So they were supposed to have launched this last year summer, what happened to them? [16:26:59] hmm aerospike [16:27:09] Althego: hey you OPM [16:27:50] hofstadter's law, creating new things take longer than we think, even if hofstadter's law is taken into account [16:32:50] one province minor? [16:32:51] Lyneira: it could've launched last year, but there was a delay with regulatory red tape / permission to launch (even the monoprop version) because they didn't have a license, and nobody at spaceport USA wanted to take on any liability by letting it launch unless the relevant government paperwork was dealt with [16:32:55] Althego: opm opm outer planets lore debunked [16:33:10] Kalpa: .... [16:33:13] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDbkyEDDog [16:33:13] YouTube - Flat Earther Debbie D. and astrophysics student Kirsten B. have a discussion. [16:33:29] for 2.5 hours [16:33:34] somewhat masochistic [16:33:36] Well that's the only way I can resolve 'OPM' :p [16:33:37] to listen to ths [16:33:50] i always resolve it as one punch man :) [16:35:09] Kalpa: I'm talking about Outer Planets Mod [16:35:33] https://appel.nasa.gov/2017/01/23/government-brief-clarity-required-for-commercial-space-launches/ ~~~ NASA themselves has acknowledged private sector space-type vehicles are needing sorted ( @ Lyneira ) [16:36:26] barriers like: "it's not actually clear who is in charge of which things", particularly [16:37:13] Althego: Outer Planets Mod's Eeloo capture theory is FALSE [16:37:28] what [16:37:48] i dont know what that theory is, who stated it, and how it can be disproven [16:39:26] http://outer-planets.wikia.com/wiki/Eeloo_(Outer_Planets_Mod) [16:40:13] ... the other part of the delay was the CEO getting dragged to court, detained, etc. (without the usual legal due process due to not being a US citizen) and threatened with legal action if he tried to interract with his own company... allegedly? that legal situation doesn't have much transparency from the relevant agencies / courts / jurisdictional bodies, and politely showing up in-person [16:40:13] and asking a legal clerk for documents is often the only way to find out what's on the court docket for a case, etc. etc. etc. [16:40:29] nvm, Outer Planets Mod's Eeloo capture theory is true [16:43:16] just took this picture https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/427145351737245712/DSC_8556.JPG [16:43:18] Okay... [16:43:20] pretty happy with it [16:44:49] Fluburtur: daylight moon huh [16:44:53] yeah [16:45:08] I was walking outside and noticed the moon so I took my telescope out [16:45:28] I hot glued a lens adapter to it a while ago so I can use it with my camera [16:45:53] impressive considering that my telescope DOESNT FREAKING WORK [16:46:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/427146029566263297/IMG_20180201_023149.jpg [16:46:27] Digiscoping is back? [16:46:55] WOAH what a amazing telescope [16:47:00] kuzetsa: Well I hope they get that sorted out because this is definitely a technology that deserves development [16:47:09] nah it's a piece of crap I got like 10 years ago [16:47:11] but it does worjk [16:47:31] I will 3d print a new adapter and a work gear to drive the vertical and horizontal axis with no backlash [16:47:46] when i took 2 long days to make this size comparison https://i.redd.it/ujhmiuib6qm01.png [17:03:39] Lyneira: yeah, I was hoping someone in here knew more than me - I think the main limiting factor at this point is that, as someone joked during development of the test vehicle: [17:03:47] ["rockets run on money"] [17:05:38] ... as to mean that developing the science, researching and stablizing the tech and reaching maturity for a new design isn't the main barrier, it's doing it in a world where these kinds of things have socioeconomic / political barriers for the science to move forward :( [17:08:14] romania wasn't set up to launch because of who all the test vehicle would be flying over / making arrangements for using airspace to do the test was tricky, etc... but the politics of doing a launch in the 'states were less certain than the logistics of building a viable vehicle O_O [17:10:57] Where do european rocket builders do their testing anyway? [17:11:08] Is Kourou all they have? [17:14:15] Lyneira: they can only take care of 0.0314 rockets per year [17:14:37] I think ariane only has one launch pad [17:15:34] ( as in A-V, not arianespace as a whole ) [17:16:44] Lyneira: esrange in sweeden does launch actual things. hmm. [17:16:56] *sweden [17:19:09] How do I name a new subsystem group on the PS4 ? [17:23:53] i didnt even reach the 1 hour mark in the flat earther thing [17:30:31] Althego: were the flat earth things you looked at acknowledgnig how the elevation change for a river across hundreds of kilometers is just as real for a curved earth if you dodge the trap that "down" is always the same direction no matter where you observe gravity from? [17:30:55] *not the same direction :D [17:32:17] flat earthers never acknovledge anything in reality [17:32:22] :( [17:32:28] they couldnt be flat earthers otherwise [17:33:20] nod [17:33:41] I found out today that German letter that looks like a B actually is pronounced like "s" [17:34:10] what a discovery, i am sure nobody else knew this :) [17:34:11] GuestBanana: try learning the tsalagi phonology where "4" is a letter [17:35:18] it's upside-down, has a loop, and is pronounced "ha" [17:35:36] and japanese people think n is a vowel [17:35:44] Now I can pronounce the word for Greater German (insert German word for empire here). Hoorah. [17:36:12] hint: word for empire has five letters, starts with r, and ends with h [17:36:19] Althego: not quiet, but sure [17:36:21] 3rd reich? danger will robinson [17:36:51] I was worried I would get in trouble for that for all the things it did, so I thought a subtle reference would be best [17:36:54] it's hard to learn kana and tsalagi at the same time [17:37:07] kuzetsa: don't tell me you've been trying [17:37:20] I've wanted to learn a lot of languages myself lately [17:38:13] GuestBanana: what, tsalagi? [17:38:26] tsalagi and kana at the same time [17:38:32] do they share words or not [17:39:01] oh great now they are on a tangent about evolution [17:39:10] tsalagi is "american" (AKA chereokee, but tsalagi is the more correct spelling) [17:39:20] oh [17:40:46] Althego: linguistic evolution is strangely fascinating [17:41:13] ¯ is the tsalagi version of r (hiragana "hi") [17:42:46] the way those letters are showing on the monospace font is kind of funny [17:43:27] not showing up for me [17:43:52] but now wonder hexchat on windows always had unicode problems (no other modern irc client has this issue) [17:44:12] but in this case i may really miss the font [17:44:24] or not, renders in the browser [17:45:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/427160849975738368/ruddah.jpg [17:45:14] what is that [17:45:19] rudder [17:45:31] what are the holes? [17:45:38] make it light [17:45:40] https://mouses.xyz/~kuzetsa/tsalagi_kana.png [17:45:42] ^ GuestBanana [17:45:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/427161073687330817/Sans_titre_9.jpg [17:45:56] because I will 3d print the tail structure for a plane im making [17:46:46] GuestBanana: how did your fond handle the width for that? [17:47:09] half-width, or something else? [17:48:45] It looks just like yours looks [17:48:46] *font heh [17:48:53] nod [17:49:15]