[00:17:04] OMFFSM ... https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/File:DunaRocket.jpg [00:18:02] bwoop [00:21:05] I was looking for a tutorial for a friend and haven't really read https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial:How_to_get_to_Duna yet, but this rocket is a disgrace. [00:21:56] wow [00:22:16] oh, hey. Old launch tower [00:22:36] Is that rocket from 0.17, or something? [00:23:42] .23 i think [00:28:00] no youre right [00:28:21] they updated it in .19 [00:29:19] crap [00:31:50] the lack of orange tanks is notable [00:33:10] ralph nader's neice was on ET302 [00:34:17] okay? [00:34:32] do you know who that is? [00:36:35] No on that, and what ET302 is [00:39:26] gn [00:39:28] consumer safety advocate? ET302 is the 737 max that crashed due to MCAS malfunction during climb to altitude out of addis ababa , etheopia, killing all on board [00:42:41] ah [00:50:06] Action: TransitBiker is away: auto-away [01:21:28] hey [01:21:38] OwO [01:21:52] nobody is there UmU [01:22:04] what a shame U3U [01:25:34] Action: TransitBiker is back (gone 00:35:28) [01:35:34] Action: TransitBiker is away: auto-away [02:22:36] TransitBiker: you should probably disable that auto away message thing [03:20:33] eh hold [03:20:46] no pizza box stack launch today [03:21:43] the problem with this new dlc that it adds a more science parts. science is already too abundant [03:25:06] oh what, no hold? but why was the guy talking about it when i opened the stream [03:29:44] lol the crowd was chanting the countdown [03:37:48] no landing image :( [03:38:23] the crowd reaction makes it good [03:38:48] that collective disappointed noise when the image cut out [04:19:14] Althego, just turn the science multiplier down? [04:24:32] already doing that [04:29:47] deployment coming up shortly [04:29:54] now we can see the pizza boxes [04:32:53] i didnt think they would deplyo at the same time [04:33:29] random non-space thought: if it's called nor(th)way, why is it then not called sweden and not southway? [04:34:50] didnt see much of the pizza boxes [04:38:18] Eddi|zuHause: what [05:10:02] Action: TransitBiker is back (gone 03:34:28) [05:39:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+ovo UmbralRaptop Hikaru purpletarget' by calamity.esper.net [05:39:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+voov bathtub_shark DuoDex NBones lol768' by calamity.esper.net [05:39:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+ov TheKosmonaut kbuck ' by calamity.esper.net [05:39:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vvv nasonfish RyanKnack Ares' by calamity.esper.net [05:39:28] oop [05:39:42] doing it [05:40:03] netsplat [05:40:19] minor [05:40:35] splut [11:49:28] spoleto? [11:56:08] So, did you all see the pizza stack this morning? [11:56:12] i did [11:56:14] no [11:56:19] but actually [11:56:23] wasnt really visible [11:56:34] i was hoping the stack would peel away one by one as they do with other launches [11:56:42] but they just detached it completely [11:56:49] yeah, I expected that, too [11:57:09] I really wonder how they did that and if it was somehow spring loaded [11:57:11] so i couldnt see how they looked like, especially with the sun reflecting off them [11:57:39] or if they just wait until they all float away from each other far enough and then start the thrusters to put them in their orbit [11:57:58] I'm also wondering how and if they're going to do a plane change [11:58:30] I guess not, because that would be very inefficient [15:08:57] https://imgur.com/gallery/g6V6JMP [15:09:03] uh, yeah, more plz [15:15:20] lol... neutral post huh? [15:15:29] followed by ... https://imgur.com/I8XGkyf [15:16:18] oh and warning, may cause siezures [15:20:28] Meh! [15:41:51] Suppose I should work on vids today... [15:45:04] they just posted 'breaking ground' trailer on youtube for KSP.. c.c [15:52:51] Action: Mat2ch is still mad [15:53:05] u mad bro? :) [15:54:39] what is the pural of bigfoot? bigfeet? :) [15:54:54] somehow sounds silly [15:55:14] bigfoots then? [15:55:30] bigfoot [16:05:00] Althego: very very mad! [16:05:51] because of the dlc? [16:06:12] yes [16:06:24] ah.. [16:06:29] what is it about anyways? [16:06:47] Back in the days, when this channel was filled with active players we all called out to Squad and asked for robotic parts. [16:06:54] And now they add them. As a DLC. [16:07:18] We're talking about the Early Access days [16:07:57] honestly, with the amount of hours i've played i'm fine paying for more content [16:08:30] you can always just take a mod with robotic parts if you don't want to pay, right? [16:08:46] the mod isn't maintained any further [16:08:57] also we asked for an in-game thing, not a mod [16:08:59] and you can't get the old one and update it? [16:09:31] why would I want to run an old, buggy, not very performant old version? [16:09:34] you sound spoiled to me :) [16:10:13] I'm mad that they never answered our calls back then [16:10:26] and now they just add it as DLC [16:10:37] they still pushing that people who got it back in 2013 free dlc? [16:10:39] hmm.. [16:11:02] friend got it back when it as 0.18.. [16:11:34] "oh yeah, thanks for suggestion this great feature five years ago and thanks for describing how great it would make the game. Here, have a DLC!" [16:11:41] ... [16:11:55] clearly they should have done all the work as soon as you asked, nay, demanded [16:12:03] rather than build up their game as they saw fit [16:12:33] If it was so "fitting", why do they add them now? [16:12:42] Action: JVFoxy checks account, I got it a year later.. my PC wasn't finished being put together till then [16:13:18] so... now thats two DLC, $15 (american) each.. so probably 150 canadian for me. :\ [16:13:33] Action: JVFoxy shakse fist at exchange rates [16:17:17] Mat2ch: because now they have the resources to do so? [16:17:25] now that their base game is "done" ? [16:19:29] You know, I'm stopping this discussion right here. I'm mad, I said why I'm mad, you wont change that and this is getting stupid. [16:19:40] unfortunately i got the game at 0.24, so i have to pay for the dlcs too [16:19:55] it was stupid the second you got mad [16:20:19] scott has said nothing about the pizzaboxes. not yet at least [16:21:01] DLC are free for early adopters still yes [16:21:11] june 10 2014 for me.. so version 0.23.5 when I got around to buying it [16:22:29] DLCs also go on sale every now and then (on Steam that is) [16:23:34] i'm a bit sad because friend that first got it, who showed and let me play it on their PC, quickly gave up on the game because it was 'too complicated' [16:24:02] funny thing is, I still have the save data from his laptop from whatever version it was he first got [16:25:10] and yet others say the game's not realistically complicated enough. I guess that's where mods fit in very well, so everyone can add life support 'n stuff to their liking [16:25:56] i like snacks because i can configure it to be really simple and straightforward [16:26:11] the chatter that used to go around about companies that make games wanting to put a halt to game mods.. for whatever reason? [16:27:05] I don't remember which game it was that started things, just that talk about KSP was possibly going to get swept up into it as well [16:34:23] Action: JVFoxy watch'n vid from beaucoupzero. They loading up spaceplane with a bunch of kerbals. Some of the names... [16:37:27] missed a few as video fades to them loading Kerbals. Names I caught: Engie, medic, Demo, Alex Jones, Doomguy, SJW, BasedBoy, WhitePill, BluePilled, RedPilled, Blackpilled, DankMemes, Also, I haveADiscord, 1BSubsBy2020, And other, Dreams, Starman, Reluctant Elon Musk, If you read, This, You, Are, ONE OF US, And Everything, Will Be, Alright, So Chill, I Dont wanna go [16:38:35] The last one didn't make it in as it turns out.. [16:44:51] speaking of names... Picard is back? c.c; [16:47:03] hope for the best [16:48:16] well.. trailer [16:49:04] so .. its set 20 years later, they figure Picard isn't the same person as he once was.. world is changing. Makes sense. [16:49:33] heh i got 2 engineers [16:49:40] hi mates. looking for help with an issue I got with RP-1. could you guide me to the proper channel? thx [16:49:42] i need a second scientist [16:52:05] which problem is that? [16:56:28] eh... [16:56:30] JVFoxy: Oh, I'm so hyped. I've been waiting for this since the announcement that Patrick Stewart is staring again as Picard [16:56:39] guessing guest had no comment? [16:57:05] hehe these names. burbro kerman, alloong kerman [16:57:10] allong [16:57:21] Mat2ch didn't Sir Stewart say he wanted to bring back the character after TNG was done? [16:59:41] hoping maybe I'm not mixing it up with some other actor [17:01:29] lol, "Sir" [17:01:55] abolish the aristocracy [17:01:56] he is knighted [17:02:10] i don't recognize titles handed out by inbred families [17:02:35] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edYltrmBhKw [17:06:38] shrug [17:18:34] Althego: alalalalaloooong? [17:19:46] JVFoxy: yeah, he's one of the few persons who really deservs the Sir [17:22:28] it's not about whether or not he deserves something [17:22:31] it's about where it comes from [17:23:06] what have the romans ever done for us [17:23:25] Mat2ch captain, teacher, also a 'king'... saw him in Lion in Winter way way back. The fact he's still doing stage play, and hasn't looked like he aged too much since TNG.. also 78 years old.. looks pretty good for his age [17:23:42] rome wasn't burnt in a day, but it couldn't have been more than a week [17:23:49] and I know that the children of barbarians become the new tax collectors and priests [17:24:06] we should all follow the example of jesus and resist the empire [17:26:11] resistance is futile :) [17:26:21] tell that to the roman empire [17:27:27] life is but a stage... [17:31:17] we are at the cusp of a revolution, it is up to us (millenials) to direct it [17:31:45] what kind of revolution? [17:31:53] a revolutionary revolution [17:34:07] so... we fight'n the entitled revolution now? [17:34:08] JVFoxy: I love how broken he looks in that trailer [17:35:23] Mat2ch Trailer didn't show much, other than the picard fields. I'm guessing he went back home. [17:35:24] JVFoxy: people talking about revolution never thought about the consequences, never took a closer look at our history. [17:35:43] has a slight sense of Halo, where they drag Halsey in for questioning in 4 [17:35:45] he defenitely did. And something aweful must have happend to him [17:35:53] In the last frame of the trailer you see his face [17:36:18] Movie Logan, they had to do a lot to make him look badly aged [17:39:52] Mat2ch: you're right, lets leave things going as they are. [17:40:13] yes, let's stop the expansion of the universe [17:40:30] no, that is changing something [17:40:34] stopping it is changing something [17:40:52] just like stopping the growing gap of wealth inequality would be changing something [17:42:20] order 66 [17:42:29] just like providing homes to the homeless would be changing something [17:42:46] passive agressive..? [17:42:48] just like no longer having young families be forced to pay rent to oligarchs would be changing something [17:43:10] this is going towards politics [17:43:11] just like solving the 80% unemployment amongst the 1-2% of autistic people would be changing something [17:43:22] this is society [17:43:58] but i'm aware of the rules [17:44:01] and i'll shut it [17:44:11] for now [17:47:25] i am sore all over [17:48:19] Althego: all the way, yes. [17:48:54] mm... how about something a little fun: what did you do in KSP today? (and ya, its barely started for me, 9am) [17:48:55] Also it's funny that I'm not allowed to be mad at something, but flayer is. [17:49:51] Not at all hypocritical [17:50:33] what happened to flub? [17:50:55] I don't know :( [17:52:15] mm? Mean besides just being quiet there? [18:09:28] reeee politics [18:09:41] reeeeeeee [18:10:35] Althego: guess what the museum is getting to celebrate Apollo 11 50th [18:11:13] working guidance computer? [18:12:14] a spacesuit exhibit [18:12:31] spacesuits from mercury to shuttle [18:12:42] nice [18:13:46] Althego: including, and dont quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure, one of Michael Collins' suits [18:13:49] you know what would have been nicer? a city on the moon by the anniversary [18:14:05] listen [18:14:10] hey, listen [18:14:15] cities usually have to be built by rivers [18:14:20] and the moon has no rivers [18:14:27] but has minable ice [18:14:35] so once we get rivers on the moon we can have cities [18:14:46] global warm the moon to melt the ice [18:14:53] and make rivers [18:15:10] what would a 1/6th G waterfall look like [18:15:58] moon rivers when [18:16:41] could just drop a dome on teh moon, make a river yourself [18:17:15] was a vid on fluids that don't subliminate in vaccum, could just use some of that stuff on the moon [18:18:48] ionic liquids [18:43:32] Action: darsie built an Eve sample return rocket: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot130.png [18:44:00] looks kind of anemic [18:44:08] why? [18:44:10] that's a lot of stairs to climb [18:44:15] yeah :) [18:44:27] Needs refuelling in orbit, Gilly and Eve. [18:44:31] make landers as flat as possible because they always flip [18:45:01] Althego: That's about as flat as a return lander on Eve gets. [18:45:09] hehe [18:45:30] such high rockets can only land on water or on the flats of minmus [18:45:42] Watch me :). [18:46:25] The decouplers of the legs flex. I'm not sure if this is good or bad. [18:47:06] Rigid legs would explode high side struts on slopes. [18:47:43] I'll try it. We'll see if the entry burn is sufficient to avoid exploding. [18:48:05] hehe [18:48:16] there is an altitude on eve where things tend toexplode [18:48:33] 86 km ;) [18:48:37] hehe no [18:48:43] ok, there too [18:49:21] Where? This is not Jool. [18:49:43] but generally dont try to land on eve without a heat shield [18:50:31] Where would I put a heat shield? [18:50:58] at the bottom [18:51:08] facing entry [18:51:16] How can I thrust with a heat shield at the bottom? [18:51:33] you don't need thrust to land, put on a million parachutes [18:51:50] How do I get to Eve without thrusting? [18:51:58] use another spacecraft [18:52:26] I shall put another spacecraft under this rocket? [18:52:28] build 3 or 4 similiar towers around the current one and use them to bring the craft there :) [18:52:53] Nah, I use an entry burn. Like Falcon 9. [18:53:30] ... chutes on decouplers... [18:53:39] DV really /that/ tight? [18:54:14] That last stage has a Terrier. 400 kg more or less matter. [18:54:43] On ascent. [18:54:48] Action: JVFoxy looks further down on rocket, "uh....' [18:55:24] I shouldn't say anything really.. I only /attempted/ a jool orbit back in V0.24 some long time ago. [18:56:55] The chutes are just for landing at Eve. [18:57:35] I don't even know if I wanna go stock or add a few mods if I'm going to be flying further than minmus [18:59:33] I'd like to stay stock but its a double edge sword in some ways: it can be a bit limiting, but it can also make things challenging, come up with some creative designs [18:59:42] in 0.24 jool orbits were easy, no heat [19:01:19] at the time, I didn't really bother looking at transfer windows, deltaV.. just went. Get into orbit. fiddled with nodes I got something that was akin to a flyby [19:01:22] JVFoxy: Some mods are ok. Date quicksaves, KER, EER. [19:01:43] then.. see if I could stop in time. Turns out I was several KM DV short [19:02:10] my first jool mission was just one of the biggest successes [19:03:06] originally i planned to go to two moons i think, but made a flayby for the others, and i was running out of fuel for the trip back, so i had to get creative with the gravity assists [19:03:12] I figured, if I really got on a roll, probably be stuff like Kerbal Alarm, KIS/KAS, may even go back to using IR in some limited way. Very much like to use Surface experiments. [19:03:14] and i made it back with a lot of science [19:03:22] way more i planned [19:04:12] speaking of gravity assists.. your thoughts on it adding a whole wack of extra time to the mission? Anyone bother keeping things within a sensable amount of time? [19:04:50] they were ok in the jool system. i never try them for the complete mission [19:04:52] ehhhh... wait a minute, kerbal years -goes to check something- [19:04:53] lot of time to plan [19:05:11] and the game needs one more step of time acceleration [19:05:20] getting to jool takes minutes even on max [19:05:34] not to mention eeloo [19:08:40] ugh this chart >_< how long kerbin year compared to earth year [19:11:47] ah.. kerbal year is 106.5 earth days [19:12:32] Ohh, I forgot solar panels for the drills and refinery. [19:13:10] so.. if a mission took 150 years kerbal time, its really only 43 our years... heck, Voyager 1/2 been out 42 years. launched same year I was born [19:13:46] darsie oops... happens. at least it wasn't chutes [19:17:25] And I noticed early. [19:17:40] Only had 3 small ones for the reaction wheel. [19:22:39] wonder what ore values are like at Kerbin's poles.. I've wanted to do a polar station project [19:36:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:59:16] isn't a kerbal year more like 400 days? [19:59:43] but 6 hour days [19:59:49] ah, right [19:59:53] 400 kerbal days [19:59:55] 400 something odd kerbal says.. not Earth [20:00:18] turns out its 0.29 percent of a human earth year [20:00:35] ~426 [20:00:36] uhm no [20:00:38] 29% [20:00:43] or 0.29 [20:00:46] eh sorry meant that ya [20:00:46] not 0.29% [20:01:02] they had it as 0.29 on the chart [20:01:02] everyone knew what you meant [20:01:21] also just got out of shower, 3rd cup coffee, feeling drowsy [20:01:37] those things contradict one another, but it's ok [20:01:49] mostly, was thinking how the high numbers when doing far flung missions can be a little misleading [20:02:56] shower = ease sore back. working on 3rd cup coffee, still feeling drowsy because been up since 7am and shower tried to put me to sleep [20:14:48] nasa is putting out trailer-like videos on youtube the last few days about lunar exploration [20:15:39] sounds nice, but elon is going to beat them to mars like this. which is strange, because the roles are reversed [20:16:15] meh [20:16:26] the moment its a contest, I worry about people's safey [20:16:37] *safety.. [20:16:59] maybe I should fix the thing inside this k/b.. just a pain [20:37:45] uhm, wouldn't the much more likely scenario be that NASA would be paying elon to go there? [20:38:06] as it looks now, not really [20:39:06] and didn't trump say "but what about the moon?" [20:41:29] I'm not American but anyone else think Trump was going to push NASA off the table for 'better things'? [20:41:43] Action: darsie refuels the Eve sample return rocket: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot133.png [20:42:56] hmm [20:43:37] how does that survive reentry without running out of fuel [20:43:44] do you have another refueling tank in eve orbit [20:43:46] pretty strong struts to make it through atmos without breaking :) [20:43:47] it doesnt :) [20:43:59] JVFoxy: that's the "fun" part: he always says two opposite things in close succession, so later he can point back and say he always said this, no matter which way it goes [20:44:34] hoglahoo: I hope I have enough fuel for a sufficient entry burn. [20:44:44] hoglahoo: Gonna refuel at Gilly, too. [20:45:22] oh yeah I guess gilly is basically a fuel tanker [20:45:30] you know why he does it right? It gets him more attention... it may not be right but it draws people away from wahtever else is going on [20:46:05] kinda like how chatting politics in #ksp draws people away from darsie's eve mission [20:46:23] I get to gilly, would love a little rock shack there [20:46:36] well... shack sits on a rock. Basically a station with a clamp [20:46:50] rock shack baby! [20:47:07] all this does is remind me of my last failed venus rescue [20:47:48] I keep wondering what names to give station.. mun shack, shelter, recently 'cloud' for the mun but translated in Ukranian. [20:48:35] lol... I named a relay around the Mun 'Rabbit'... dropped it into a flyby with an old booster from docking mission. [20:50:45] eh anyways.. sorries [20:52:23] I'm disappointed with every name I've ever come up with for flags [20:52:38] hehe [20:52:46] cant really write anything there [21:04:09] same [21:32:12] so on the topic of below ambient air cooling?.. [21:32:50] what if the heat sinks are over-sized for the job in cooling capacity/saturation rate? [21:34:46] i mean the air flow though this chasis is ? you can feel the air moving toward the front fan seversl inches away [21:42:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:49:04] Action: TransitBiker is away: auto-away [22:17:46] o hai [22:19:04] #kspofficial [22:19:10] dfvdfg [22:19:15] hi [22:19:17] diderfish [22:19:34] o hai [22:19:48] flayer [22:19:53] oooff [22:19:57] ooof [22:20:04] are you ok? [22:20:10] yes [22:20:31] #iloveksp [22:20:39] it is a fun game [22:20:45] yep [22:21:01] he is overwhelmed by this futureristic tech called IRC [22:21:09] ... lol, makes me think 'player unknown' now [22:21:19] pubg [22:21:43] is #iloveksp a channel? [22:21:48] no [22:21:49] im confused [22:22:05] but its has a hashtag! [22:22:10] its just a message [22:22:10] its=it [22:22:15] yep [22:22:27] tank23333 [22:22:47] in irc land # is for channel [22:22:54] ok [22:22:58] its the same for twitter [22:23:08] flayer dont ruin this [22:23:16] o hai [22:23:44] " irc land " [22:23:48] ^^ [22:23:52] Tank2333: what? if you add a #hashtag to your tweet, you post in the #hashtag channel [22:24:06] irc does this as well under the hood [22:24:15] i know [22:24:20] i was joking [22:24:31] Yeah, its literally the same thing [22:24:50] im going to launch a kerbil into space [22:24:57] sounds like a plan [22:25:06] i'm going to launch myself into bed [22:25:08] yep [22:25:17] check yo stagin [22:26:38] any second now [22:27:35] kerbal tossing [22:28:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:28:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:28:46] i killed a kebal cuz he had no helmet [22:29:29] pingpong [22:29:42] flayer: wow [22:31:05] by vacuum breathing? [22:31:26] "found lying by the other side of the road" [22:31:53] yes rolf [22:32:12] lol ok [22:32:25] erm why pm? [22:32:42] what does pm mean? [22:32:48] private message [22:32:54] o [22:33:27] cuz i wanted to see what happens and he exploded [22:34:10] cuz i wanted to see what happens and he exploded pm [22:34:46] cruel.. lol [22:38:11] ok [22:38:59] im going to launch a hyper sonic plane swh [22:40:26] sorry.. 'launching kerbals' had me thinking when youtuber was making 'kerbal recovery systems' Basically a pair of counter acting engines. Jump kerbal into rocket blast... [22:41:14] jv yeah I remember that [22:41:59] among other 'game breaking' things... [22:42:13] mean while, I'm here, trying to play a bit more serious. c.c; [22:42:20] and literal world shattering lol man that recant danny video [22:42:33] 'world destroyer'... [22:43:03] im launching a hyper sonic plane [22:43:45] I've done some weird stuff before... one of them, launching probes using couple of landing legs. Set spring and damp down to 0.. [22:44:05] compresses, then suddenly shoots off into teh air at like 50g or so [22:45:41] ok [22:46:05] other thing was messing with sepratrons as part of a stage. Had something like 30 on one strut. load on pad, things just went nuts, guessing too much clipping? (was way early version KSP) [22:47:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:48:50] WOW winks [22:48:59] bye bye [22:49:23] mm k [23:01:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:03:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Raptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [23:40:11] https://youtu.be/-s0KNypfQfk?t=15 [23:40:26] like this JVFoxy? [23:42:28] mmmm.. not quite [23:43:17] had probe body on a strut block. block had 20 or something seperatrons. launch pad. some reason, when it loaded, I guess they bounced between each other, seperated and went flying before I could stage [23:44:29] loading was always critical [23:45:24] I haven't tried since.. mostly was in sandbox mode those days [23:48:40] found an old video, tested ejecting payload at full throttle with a spaceplane https://youtu.be/eylAAnjbh40?t=117 [23:50:10] somehow it had too much thrust on the right and turned left on the ramp, wich destroyed 2 engines and made it controllable [23:52:53]