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[03:11:17] <TwistenX> shut up
[04:42:09] <TwistenX> :)
[05:13:01] Last message repeated 4 time(s).
[05:13:01] <TwistenX> lithobraking?
[05:26:04] <TwistenX> anyways im outta here
[05:26:11] <TwistenX> time to have infinite fun
[07:34:15] <Guest43039> wow
[07:34:26] <Guest43039> place really changed since the forum migration
[07:41:44] <packbart> what changed?
[07:54:56] <Guest43039> pretty dang empty
[07:55:26] <Guest43039> :)
[07:55:47] <XXCoder> lol its lready pretty empty here
[07:56:00] <XXCoder> i first joined when this channel was over 800 people and text never stops
[08:07:34] <packbart> well, it's IRC. pretty much unknown today
[08:08:04] <packbart> the Reddit KSP Discord Thingy is quite active
[08:12:03] <packbart> try talking KSP on Usenet... ;)
[08:13:54] <Althego> hehe
[08:17:18] <Izaya> services die when they are murdered
[08:18:25] <packbart> but they aren't
[08:19:38] <packbart> we're still here. and my NNTP server apparently still transfers Usenet articles between its peers. I just don't read them
[08:20:44] <Izaya> was mostly talking about certain ... competitors acting hostile towards IRC, the zombie state of many channels makes me sad
[08:25:38] <packbart> well, it's not what $people expect from their chat services nowadays
[08:25:51] <packbart> <insert reaction.gif>
[08:27:39] <packbart> irssi doesn't even have a quick emoji selector
[08:28:30] <packbart> 🤔
[08:34:33] <Izaya> my terminal can't even render whatever that is :D
[08:34:54] <Althego> thinking face emoji
[08:35:01] <Althego> the terminal can render it
[08:35:07] <Althego> you just need the font
[08:35:14] <Izaya> sure, it could, if I had any fonts with that glyph installed :p
[08:35:38] <packbart> it's standard since 2015
[08:36:33] <Izaya> I just install fonts that look nice for text, emoji don't tend to express anything important or interesting anyway
[08:37:03] <packbart> I'd disagree
[08:37:23] <Althego> not used much in irc
[08:44:55] <Majin> Fun is infinite!
[08:50:18] <Majin> セガエンタープライズの楽しさは無限大です。 -マジン。
[09:02:21] <Majin> why does this website give out your ip address
[09:02:39] <Majin> isn't that kinda illegal
[09:02:53] <Althego> how else would you expect the packets to find you?
[09:03:06] <darsie> Which website?
[09:03:12] <Althego> i guess webchat
[09:03:22] <Majin> darsie: this website, dingus
[09:03:30] <Izaya> I'm not using a website
[09:03:31] <Althego> it is not a website
[09:03:34] <Izaya> don't even have a web browser open
[09:03:38] <darsie> idk what website you're talkind about?
[09:03:42] <Majin> darsie: this webchat** dingus
[09:03:44] <Althego> you are using a web client
[09:03:58] <darsie> You're in an IRC chat. IRC is not web, just as email is not a web site.
[09:04:17] <Althego> but for most people it is, because they use gmail through a browser
[09:04:28] <Majin> .
[09:04:40] <darsie> .
[09:04:45] <Majin> what if i change my ip
[09:04:46] <Izaya> ,
[09:05:03] <darsie> Then your packets will be routed another way.
[09:05:03] <Althego> right now?
[09:05:09] <Majin> sure
[09:05:17] <Althego> the packets wouldnt find you and you would be disconnected
[09:05:24] <Majin> o
[09:05:42] <Majin> what packets
[09:05:45] <Izaya> poor lost packets
[09:06:03] <darsie> If you send an email, the headers may tell the recipient your IP.
[09:06:22] <Majin> is that bad
[09:06:26] <darsie> idk
[09:06:30] <Izaya> not usually
[09:06:48] <Majin> o ok
[09:07:27] <Majin> HIDE AND SEEK - ACT 1
[09:07:30] <Izaya> an IP address alone only really tells you which ISP that IP is currently controlled by
[09:07:51] <Althego> and in many cases approximate location on earth
[09:08:02] <darsie> https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup says you're from Lynnwood Lilliwaup Shelton Union
[09:08:06] <Althego> too late
[09:08:37] <Majin> approximate??
[09:08:42] <darsie> https://www.iplocation.net/ip-lookup says you're from Lynnwood Lilliwaup Shelton Union
[09:08:52] <Majin> me?
[09:08:56] <darsie> yes
[09:08:57] <packbart> an IP address is considered private data under GDPR rules, though
[09:09:02] <Althego> there  are geoip databases that try to correlate you location with ip
[09:09:19] <Majin> AHHHHHH
[09:09:24] <Majin> I HATE IT
[09:09:31] <Althego> so usually you could get a city, maybe a district
[09:09:33] <Majin> IT'S ACTUALLY CLOSE
[09:09:36] <darsie> Maybe IRC is not for you.
[09:09:47] <darsie> Try discord or so.
[09:09:52] <Althego> hehe
[09:09:58] <Althego> does that help?
[09:10:01] <darsie> idk
[09:10:04] <Althego> i dont know how it works
[09:10:16] <darsie> Also avoid email.
[09:10:19] <Althego> sooner or later there has to be an ip somewhere for bidirectional communication
[09:10:22] <Izaya> it used to not proxy media requests
[09:10:34] <Izaya> so you could post an image URL and get all the clients that fetch it
[09:10:46] <Majin> oh ok
[09:10:55] <packbart> discord doesn't disclose your IP to all the channel members. and mail servers can be configured to strip that information, too
[09:10:58] <Izaya> I'm told that's been fixed, but I've never used it
[09:10:59] <Althego> you could use a vpn. if you dont feel sick instantly on the mention, because of all the youtube channels advertising vpns
[09:11:15] <darsie> Worry about pics in emails, even 1x1 pixel pics. They may be loaded from a web server telling the email sender your IP.
[09:11:22] <packbart> I've got some Perfect Privacy coupons somewhere...
[09:11:39] <darsie> I use simple HTML view for emails.
[09:11:46] <Majin> https://drive.google.com/file/d/12X3qWiCMCQNvZdvr2-F7DBXtQETCIYkw/view?usp=sharing
[09:11:58] <packbart> darsie: those servers also fall under GDPR
[09:12:13] <darsie> If they're in the EU.
[09:12:17] <packbart> IRC flies deep enough under the radar so that nobody really cares
[09:12:18] <Izaya> it's kind of neat how every youtube video that advertises a VPN mildly degrades the trustworthiness of the whole enterprise
[09:12:23] <darsie> Or operated by an EU entity, I guess.
[09:12:42] <Majin> but before we continue this video...
[09:12:51] <Majin> A WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR
[09:12:56] <Althego> video killed the radio star
[09:13:06] <Majin> N   O   R   D   V   P   N
[09:13:08] <darsie> BTW, I and others log chat, including the IPs.
[09:13:12] <Izaya> friendly reminder that sponsorblock exists
[09:13:20] <darsie> I have 4 GB of logs.
[09:13:21] <Izaya> and that you should use it, because advertising rots your brain
[09:13:34] <Majin> i hate grammarly
[09:13:38] <packbart> yeah, I worked for PP and we could never figure out how NSAVPN could run with those small fees (and they give 100% to the affiliate)
[09:13:44] <darsie> Some logs are public.
[09:13:46] <Majin> it is literally 70% of my ads on youtube
[09:14:07] <packbart> darsie: I did not give you permission to store my chat texts :P
[09:14:14] <darsie> true
[09:14:18] <packbart> *calls lawyer*
[09:14:21] <Majin> THATS ILLEGAL
[09:14:31] <packbart> indeed, it probably would be
[09:14:33] <darsie> In what jurisdiction?
[09:14:40] <packbart> yours
[09:14:41] <Majin> #downwithdarsieparty on twitter
[09:14:51] <darsie> I don't do twitter.
[09:14:53] <darsie> or fb
[09:14:57] <darsie> or ig
[09:15:07] <XXCoder> nor jz?
[09:15:11] <darsie> what's that?
[09:15:13] <Izaya> fedi or bust
[09:15:18] <XXCoder> nonexistant site lol
[09:15:28] <darsie> I don't do whatsapp
[09:15:29] <Althego> jz sounds like asm mnemonic
[09:15:38] <Izaya> Jump if Zero
[09:15:38] <darsie> jump if zero
[09:15:39] <XXCoder> jump if zero
[09:15:40] <darsie> :
[09:15:41] <darsie> :)
[09:15:49] <Majin> jz sounds like a soundcloud rapper name
[09:15:52] <XXCoder> iz is winner, what wioth caps and all
[09:15:55] <Althego> but how did we get there?
[09:16:06] <packbart> through a call
[09:16:51] Action: packbart pops the stack
[09:16:52] <Althego> calli
[09:16:53] <packbart> iret
[09:17:00] <darsie> There's a public log of an IRC channel with IPs: https://gnusha.org/logs/2008-03-27.log 21:23 -!- fenn_ [n=pz@adsl-76-252-191-250.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
[09:17:38] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[09:17:38] <darsie> https://gnusha.org/logs/
[09:17:56] <Majin> here, take a random non-suspicious google drive file of mine https://drive.google.com/file/d/13aONsPMLBZsj4VkfvDz0kaI3pGPEQOPl/view?usp=sharing
[09:18:45] <darsie> I had malware I received via email on my web server when it was still online. GPG encrypted.
[09:19:08] <Majin> lmao maybe you should've been smart
[09:20:33] <darsie> Do you play KSP?
[09:20:42] <Majin> ye?
[09:20:46] <Althego> do you even lift? :)
[09:21:04] <Majin> when you have fun, you don't need to lift
[09:21:22] Action: darsie rides bike and climbs stairs.
[09:21:30] <packbart> what a drag
[09:21:58] <darsie> Sometimes I ruin my spine by lifting stuff.
[09:22:19] <Majin> i ruin my spine by existing
[09:22:46] <darsie> We're supposed to be quadpods.
[09:23:15] <darsie> Majin: Maybe a dedicated IRC client doesn't cut out that often.
[09:23:21] <Majin> a what
[09:23:22] <darsie> Majin: Maybe a dedicated IRC client doesn't cut out that often.
[09:23:46] <Majin> shut up
[09:24:02] <Majin> my device keeps trying to close the tab itself
[09:24:06] Action: darsie hugs Majin.
[09:24:09] <darsie> silently
[09:24:17] Action: packbart slaps darsie around a bit with a large trout
[09:24:27] <darsie> That's not vegan!
[09:24:31] <Majin> T R O U T   S L A P
[09:25:56] <Majin> i am an official animal rights activist
[09:26:06] <Althego> hehe the classic trout
[09:26:07] <darsie> official. Got a badge?
[09:26:17] <packbart> People Eat Tasty Animals?
[09:26:29] <Althego> peta
[09:26:30] Action: Majin flips out his Animal Activist bage
[09:26:36] <Majin> verified on twitter
[09:26:45] Action: darsie has a lifetime v-card.
[09:27:12] <Majin> wow
[09:27:13] <darsie> Vegan society of Austria membership card
[09:27:30] <Majin> lmao imagine living in Austria
[09:27:35] <Majin> cringe 
[09:27:38] <darsie> I got that for paying money, not being vegan.
[09:27:49] <Majin> that's cheating
[09:27:59] <darsie> It's easy to imagen for me.
[09:28:01] <Majin> I'm gonna have to revoke that card from you
[09:28:03] <darsie> imagine*
[09:28:33] <darsie> I'd give it to you for 400 EUR.
[09:28:40] Action: Majin grabs darsie's v-card and rides away in his motorized shopping cart
[09:29:26] <Majin> speed
[09:29:46] <Majin> also i dont have any european money
[09:29:57] <darsie> I accept bitcoin and monero.
[09:30:17] <Majin> lmao bitcoin is so bad compared to what's being invested in right now
[09:32:25] <Majin> i would say what it is but nah
[09:44:19] <Majin> dumb client
[09:44:46] <Majin> DANG IT
[09:44:52] <Majin> マジン
[09:46:04] <Majin> ya'll remember Sunky.mpeg?
[09:48:02] <Althego> no
[09:50:07] <Majin> oh
[09:50:17] <Majin> well then
[09:50:25] <Majin> do you remember sonic.exe?
[09:51:19] <darsie> Are you TwistenX?
[09:52:12] <Majin> yep
[09:52:30] <Althego> should have known
[09:52:48] <Majin> you guys are so unsmart
[09:53:05] <Majin> everytime i change my identity it somehow confuses you
[09:53:23] <Izaya> stop
[09:53:29] <Majin> no
[09:53:43] <Majin> you physically cannot make me
[09:54:38] Action: darsie votes to quiet Majin for a minute.
[09:55:12] <Majin> your vote is not counted in this capitalistic land of infinite fun
[09:55:37] <darsie> For insulting me.
[09:55:43] <darsie> us
[09:55:50] <darsie> Althego: do it.
[09:55:56] <Majin> no
[09:56:06] <Majin> please
[09:56:27] <Majin> i don't regret it but please don't mute me again
[09:56:31] <darsie> hahaha
[09:56:58] <Majin> shut
[09:57:44] Action: darsie jetpack deorbits Majin without a parachute.
[09:57:55] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRW0RM4V0k
[09:57:57] <Althego> but no
[09:58:27] <Majin> if this were a discord call i'd be screaming into my mic
[09:59:04] <Althego> the problem is, there is no hostmask, just ip
[09:59:19] <darsie> Majin: Try this: https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Jetpack_deorbit
[09:59:22] <Althego> or rather no host, and cant make a hostmask 
[09:59:27] <Majin> me when the fun is infinite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHX6IBFXyzA
[10:00:06] <Izaya> I like how some networks show a hash of the IP/host and a server-side salt instead of the actual host
[10:01:31] <Majin> yes
[10:01:59] <darsie> Majin: Or if you want a real challenge, try to jetpack to orbit from the surface of the Mun.
[10:02:27] <Majin> im not good enough at the game
[10:02:37] <Althego> git gud
[10:03:02] <Majin> i've never finished a mission (successfully) outside of the Kerbin-Mun-Minmus System.
[10:03:15] <darsie> Why not?
[10:03:24] <Izaya> attention span too short
[10:03:38] <Majin> Izaya: ADHD gets you good as a teenager
[10:04:32] <darsie> Building a space station in Kerbol orbit is easy.
[10:04:43] <Majin> I'm usually never inspired enough and I don't finish missions
[10:05:12] <Majin> darsie: ehhhh...
[10:06:33] <darsie> an IR telescope in Kerbol orbit can give you all the money you need, but it requires some tech.
[10:07:04] <Izaya> the Gigastructural Engineering mod for Stellaris adds a Kerbol system with a "Rogue Weaponised Eeloo"
[10:07:31] <Majin> there's a lot more space outside of any planetary systems and you gotta be moving fast to catch up with the core
[10:08:39] <Majin> a gilly space station sounds interesting
[10:08:44] <darsie> tera, peta, exa, (yocto?), (zepto?)
[10:08:59] <darsie> yocta, zepta*
[10:09:10] Action: Majin dies by colliding with Kerbin's oceans at the speed of sound
[10:09:19] <Izaya> the base game has megastructures
[10:09:27] <darsie> zetta, yotta
[10:09:28] <Izaya> so gigastructural engineering also adds gigastructures and kilostructures
[10:09:53] <Majin> you can make extreme gigastructures with the infinite symmetry glitch
[10:11:25] <Majin> Wow, these KSP flash animations are cool
[10:12:30] <Althego> flash. which is not used by anything anymore
[10:12:44] <Majin> rip
[10:12:48] <Majin> :(
[10:13:08] <Althego> no, i hope it is in digital hell
[10:13:16] <Althego> screaming up at us
[10:13:33] <Majin> why
[10:13:45] <Althego> along with activex
[10:13:49] <Majin> wait im gonna go draw that
[10:14:02] <Majin> brb in about 10 minutes
[10:14:59] <Althego> birb in about 3 hours :)
[10:15:07] <Althego> (with a rat)
[10:31:02] <Majin> done
[10:31:56] <Majin> https://drive.google.com/file/d/149qScWcyizmeephAfrSH__T7rm2PGI4y/view?usp=sharing
[10:32:34] <Majin> adobe flash in digital hell (feat. Izaya, darsie, Majin, Althego, and raptop)
[10:36:32] <Althego> macromedia flash
[10:37:31] <Majin> yes
[10:37:46] <Althego> i am not going to log in unless absolutely necessary
[10:37:49] <Althego> which is about never
[10:38:13] <Majin> inside of Majin's mind: (what is he talking about?) (what's macromedia flash?) (where am i?) (im hungry)
[10:39:57] <Majin> Valentina eliminates coronavirus with an imperial star destroyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH4XoFT8zqI
[10:40:05] <Althego> before adobe it was macromedia. but i didnt know that even before that it was futurewave
[10:41:45] <Majin> im not old enough to know that
[10:43:15] <Althego> even until its last day it was in the macromedia dir on windows
[10:44:16] <Majin> i want to see how ksp looked when it was 2d
[10:44:29] <Althego> it was never 2d
[10:44:33] <Althego> but there is a joke about it
[10:44:44] <Majin> GAHHHHHHH
[10:44:49] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_16eZks21U
[10:44:52] <Majin> what is the joke
[10:45:01] <Althego> this video
[10:45:16] <Majin> ohh, that video
[10:45:32] <Althego> the chiptune is still better then the actual menu music
[10:46:44] <Majin> I told VAOS to sing the KSP theme and he didn't know which song i was talking about
[10:47:15] <Majin> he said that he thought KSP was just a bunch of copyright-free music stacked on top of each other (which is partly true)
[10:47:26] <Althego> most of it
[10:47:46] <Althego> the menu music is original. and i think the credits too
[10:47:52] <Althego> but nobody clicks on that :)
[10:48:14] <Majin> in my opinion, the main theme is one of the best tracks in-game
[10:49:14] <Althego> yes, but chip version is better
[10:49:24] <Majin> no
[10:49:31] <Majin> orchestral version
[10:52:00] <Majin> i also want an orchestral version of all the space tracks
[11:04:34] <Majin> HIDE AND SEEK
[11:05:08] <Althego> hidnseek.mid
[11:05:34] <Majin> 10
[11:05:36] <Majin> 9
[11:05:37] <Majin> 8
[11:05:39] <Majin> 7
[11:05:39] <Majin> 6
[11:05:41] <Majin> 5
[11:05:42] <Majin> 4
[11:05:43] <Majin> 3
[11:05:44] <Majin> 2
[11:05:45] <Majin> 1
[11:05:56] <Majin> foUnD yOu
[11:16:50] <Majin> give me your liver for free infinite fun
[11:17:27] <packbart> Adobe Gordon
[11:17:44] <Majin> what
[11:18:04] <Althego> flash, a-aaaa
[11:18:26] <Althego> (every time somebody mentions flash, i think of this)
[11:18:57] <FLHerne> Althego: now I want 8-bit KSP that's actually playable :-(
[11:19:29] <FLHerne> It's kind of cheating in that video when the rocket rotates and the pixels rotate with it
[11:19:34] <Althego> yes
[11:19:37] <FLHerne> that isn't a feature of real displays
[11:19:47] <Majin> fake news smh
[11:19:49] <Althego> there was also the 8bit starcraft
[11:20:27] <packbart> Flesh Gordon was a funny movie, too. Probably would be illegal today
[11:21:10] <Majin>  
[11:26:04] <Majin> im going to drive over the speed limit
[11:29:31] <Majin> im going to be offline for a few days
[11:29:34] <Majin> dont ask why
[11:29:45] <Izaya> why
[11:31:24] <Majin> i did something illegal
[11:35:00] <Majin> let me into your home, althego
[13:06:13] <Althego> kikkerikii
[13:06:53] <Althego> lol, who would put a chaos rat in a kitchen
[14:10:55] <darsie> "This page has been requested to be moved to Tutorials/Jetpack deorbit." Is this requested to be done by me?
[14:13:14] <packbart> I don't know. can you move pages in the wiki?
[14:15:14] <darsie> idk, is this a special privilege?
[14:15:26] <darsie> I can sure make a new one.
[14:15:42] <darsie> But not delete the old one.
[14:16:39] <packbart> I think it's a thing for a wiki admin to do
[14:16:49] <darsie> I don't see how I can move it.
[14:42:16] <raptop> hrm
[14:45:46] <Althego> "i like to move it move it" :)
[14:48:36] <raptop> I think it works better as Tutorials:Jetpack deorbit?
[14:50:56] <darsie> Was that a question?
[14:51:20] <packbart> well, it's been moved
[14:51:56] <packbart> "UmbralRaptor moved page Jetpack deorbit to Tutorial:Jetpack deorbit: requested" :)
[14:52:14] <raptop> only partially a question
[14:53:16] <packbart> hm. either Tutorial or Tutorial_s_ probably works
[14:53:36] <packbart> ( https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial redirects to Tutorials )
[14:53:59] <packbart> ah, I see. the others also use singular
[14:54:07] <packbart> never mind me rambling. carry on
[14:58:12] <packbart> the only question that remains... "farther" or "further"?
[15:02:03] Action: darsie added https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial:Low_tech_Duna_sample_return to https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorials#Duna .
[15:02:31] <raptop> yay
[15:02:37] <Althego> no, the question is, if we have robot arms, why ant we have sample return without kerbals?
[15:04:57] <raptop> Well, it's possible for a kerbal to walk on the mun before they figure out basic radio-controlled rockets
[15:05:08] <packbart> or ladders
[15:05:12] <raptop> heh
[15:05:20] <packbart> and besides, there's a mod for that ;)
[15:05:38] <raptop> kerbals inveted the jepack before the ladder, like they're a TF2 meme
[15:05:54] <Althego> they invented rockets before wheels
[15:06:24] <packbart> it happens
[15:25:01] <bees> raptop: given that ladder is a reactionless thruster with planet-exterminating capacities...
[15:25:17] <bees> totally justified.
[15:25:19] <raptop> aaaaa
[15:25:31] <Althego> heh
[15:26:32] <flayer> raptop, hey prissy
[15:26:38] <Althego> danny can destroy planets in his 5 minute break with random parts
[15:28:04] <raptop> often klaws are involved
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[17:41:42] <Majin> h
[17:48:20] <Majin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBFCA48fUqE
[17:48:34] <Majin> WOOOOOOOO
[17:48:39] <Majin> HELL YEAH
[17:49:27] <Majin> (now i just need to get my hands on an Xbox Series XS for a reasonable price)
[18:01:42] <Majin> apparently you can launch yourself out of the solar system with only a velocity of ~5000 m/s at an altitude above Kerbin of 100-200km, and burning at Kerbin's prograde relative to Kerbol...
[18:01:53] <Majin> I wonder if this can be exploited :)
[18:02:12] <flayer> "only"
[18:03:15] <Majin> it's not that hard, nor expensive in funds
[18:03:48] <Majin> I did it with a Bobcat Engine, 5 Shrimp SRBs, and a Mite SRB
[18:04:18] <Majin> however, the satellite i launched is only ~3t
[18:05:45] <flayer> like your mom?
[18:06:09] <Majin> my mom is dead
[18:06:28] <flayer> just like the satellite isn't a living organism
[18:07:21] <Majin> who says?
[18:08:15] <Majin> you don't know what's inside the parts
[18:16:34] <kubi> kindergarden?
[18:16:39] <TwistenX2> no
[18:22:11] <Mat2ch> I loved Kindergarten :(
[18:24:20] <Deddly> That was weird, flayer 
[18:28:27] <TwistenX> "aerodynamics" is just a funny way to spell "more boosters"
[18:30:03] <TwistenX> is it better to use 4 KS-25 Engines with a fuel tank or to just use the Mammoth Engine?
[18:30:11] <raptop> yay I guess
[18:30:16] <TwistenX> THANK YOU DEDDLY I'M SO HAPPY
[18:30:22] <TwistenX> WOOOOOOOO
[18:30:25] <Deddly> :)
[18:30:56] <TwistenX> (now i just need a Xbox Series XS, that's a reasonable and fitting price for what it's worth)
[18:31:14] <raptop> huh, same Isp, same overall thrust, but the Mammoth is 1 tonne lighter
[18:31:14] <Deddly> How much are they?
[18:31:30] <TwistenX> expensive
[18:31:34] <raptop> (So I guess it's that 1 tonne vs which has the best drag characteristics)
[18:31:43] <TwistenX> not as much as the PS5 tho
[18:32:27] <Deddly> How much is a PS5?
[18:32:37] <Deddly> Don't make me Google it, man
[18:32:48] <TwistenX> it's very unreasonable
[18:33:04] <TwistenX> crackheads on ebay tryna sell it for $3000 USD
[18:33:09] <Althego> also less part count
[18:33:18] <darsie> Deddly: links https:// are clickable with KVIrc.
[18:33:56] <TwistenX> part count only usually matters with frame rates and the kraken
[18:34:03] <Althego> in practically all clients. unless you are in irssi via putty, then the terminal is too dumb
[18:34:05] <Deddly> darsie, hmm? What link?
[18:34:16] <darsie> in the topic
[18:34:28] <darsie> bit.ly/ksp112update
[18:34:30] <Deddly> I'm on Hexchat
[18:34:34] <Deddly> Oh right
[18:34:36] <darsie> tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules
[18:35:27] <raptop> yeah, the links without an https:// aren't clickable for me (irssi+LXTerm) though the ones with are
[18:36:28] <Deddly> Does that work, or does it have to be https?
[18:36:33] <raptop> that works
[18:37:54] <Deddly> OK thera ya go. Links galore
[18:38:07] <TwistenX> wow
[18:38:20] <Deddly> I can recommend Hexchat, by the way. Links work ;)
[18:38:40] <Althego> even without protocol part
[18:38:41] Action: raptop slaps hexchat around with unicode (especially characters off the BMP)
[18:38:59] <TwistenX> undertale 3
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[18:39:10] <TwistenX> 6 MODS WOOOOOOOO
[18:39:17] <Althego> but sometimes it just doesnt want to open them, it knows they are links, but nothing happens. then i must right click
[18:39:22] <Deddly> Ooh Dman979, hey :)
[18:39:24] <Dman979> Behold! It is I, your Mod!
[18:39:36] <raptop> Hilight/copy/paste always works at least
[18:39:46] <raptop> Dman979: graphite? light water? heavy water?
[18:39:52] <TwistenX> Behold! I don't care.
[18:40:07] <Althego> lol
[18:40:10] <Althego> the moderator
[18:40:47] <Dman979> How do I ban someone again? Asking for a friend who doesn't care
[18:40:48] <Deddly> Whatever happened to Aplayer?
[18:40:54] <TwistenX> AAAAAAAHH
[18:41:02] <Dman979> They became Aformerplayer
[18:41:14] Action: raptop has no real idea. College maybe?
[18:41:24] <Deddly> Dman979, you type /ban *!*c-98-235-164-132.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
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[18:41:37] <TwistenX> :(
[18:41:38] <raptop> wait, wrong sign
[18:42:23] Action: TwistenX forces raptop to EVA outside of his capsule while entering Eve
[18:42:44] Action: Dman979 rotates raptop to land on his helmet and survive
[18:42:59] Action: raptop has apparently been kerbalized
[18:43:01] <TwistenX> no
[18:43:04] <TwistenX> stop
[18:43:23] <Deddly> Stop what?
[18:43:24] <TwistenX> he was supposed to burn in the hellscape of entering Eve's atmosphere
[18:43:30] <Deddly> Ah
[18:44:09] <Deddly> Apparently he was in the cold side of the air flow until the atmosphere slowed him down enough.
[18:44:18] <TwistenX> darsie already tried to kill me yesterday by jetpack deorbiting
[18:45:16] <TwistenX> however, using my insanely high iq, i was able to exploit the aerodynamics engine and slammed into the ocean at several times to speed of sound and freaking died
[18:46:19] <Dman979> Should have *landed* on your helmet
[18:47:18] <TwistenX> why does that save a kerbal??
[18:47:44] <Althego> because it is a kerbal
[18:48:26] <Dman979> Because it's a *helmet*
[18:48:32] <Dman979> It protects your *head*
[18:48:53] <Dman979> And if you land head-first, the head protects the rest of you
[18:49:18] <TwistenX> i dont think a spacesuit helmet would save you from smacking into the ground at mach 3
[18:49:27] <Dman979> Now, let's say you're not a Kerbal.
[18:49:43] <TwistenX> you die
[18:49:55] <Dman979> Let's say you're a tigger. In that case, you'd want to land on your tail.
[18:50:06] <raptop> kitty!
[18:50:09] <Althego> hehe
[18:50:15] <Althego> i didnt expect that
[18:50:17] <Dman979> Because tiggers are wonderful things. Their tops are made out of rubber, their bottoms are made out of springs!
[18:50:54] Action: TwistenX shoots a tigger and turns them into the L-4 Landing Struts 
[18:50:58] <TwistenX> :)
[18:51:18] <Dman979> You can't do that, they're an endangered species
[18:51:20] <FLHerne> Does the helmet thing still exist?
[18:51:37] <TwistenX> shut up it's not illegal if you don't get caught
[18:52:01] <FLHerne> TwistenX: in older KSP versions at least, Kerbals could survive impacts at terminal velocity on Kerbin so long as they landed on their head
[18:52:21] <Dman979> Still wouldn't work, TwistenX, because there's only one Tigger
[18:52:21] <FLHerne> leading to fun demonstrations of falling out of orbit
[18:52:37] <FLHerne> It would have made sense to remove that when they added parachutes
[18:52:41] <TwistenX> welcome to physics class where ksp makes no sense
[18:53:50] <TwistenX> and we can use these physics to ruin the game
[18:53:58] <Dman979> *improve
[18:56:56] <TwistenX> average normal ksp players vs average ksp kraken drive/exploit user
[18:57:16] <TwistenX> https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi1.sndcdn.com%2Fartworks-BoVAwIzYSaFTvVVc-fS5P2w-t500x500.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fa-lefty%2Faverage-fan-vs-average-enjoyer&tbnid=X8WEHZnidUQ2fM&vet=12ahUKEwjXzOyrpZjzAhVrCjQIHWGvArgQMygJegUIARCNAQ..i&docid=gIUhUUpgy7UhAM&w=500&h=500&q=average%20fan&safe=active&ved=2ahUKEwjXzOyr
[18:57:16] <TwistenX> pZjzAhVrCjQIHWGvArgQMygJegUIARCNAQ
[18:57:29] <Althego> was the docking port drive fixed?
[18:58:05] <TwistenX> idk
[18:59:09] <TwistenX> i've honestly never made a kraken drive before
[19:01:37] <TwistenX> hey do you guys like pudding
[19:02:09] <Althego> not another one of deez jokes
[19:02:44] <TwistenX> :troll: 
[19:04:27] Action: darsie escapes Kerbol
[19:05:31] Action: TwistenX falls into Kerbol
[19:05:45] <darsie> Try it. It's easier said than done.
[19:06:40] <TwistenX> How fast is Kerbin's orbital velocity?
[19:06:46] <TwistenX> Around Kerbol
[19:07:21] <raptop> 9285 m/s https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Kerbin
[19:07:44] <TwistenX> cool
[19:08:04] <TwistenX> so you only need ~8500 m/s to fall into Kerbol
[19:09:19] <raptop> !tell twistenx It's way easier if you exploit the Oberth effect and bi-elliptic transfers...
[19:09:28] <raptop> dees: It's way easier if you exploit the Oberth effect and bi-elliptic transfers...
[19:09:45] <dees> yeah
[19:10:05] <dees> it's me, bees evil brother
[19:10:31] <raptop> [X] doubt
[19:11:08] <Althego> bee gees, not bee dees :)
[19:11:17] Action: X doubts
[19:11:43] <dees> dees nuts
[19:11:55] Action: raptop ponders
[19:11:59] <X> Lol
[19:12:13] <X> I haven’t seen a troll in a long time.
[19:12:39] <raptop> try something actually funny?
[19:13:31] <TwistenX> never
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[19:14:36] <Althego> doesnt help
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[19:14:58] <Althego> that does
[19:15:00] <darsie> Why did I trust <Majin> apparently you can launch yourself out of the solar system with only a velocity of ~5000 m/s at an altitude above Kerbin of 100-200km
[19:15:32] <raptop> It's accurate if you're going in the right direction (if the statement isn't 100% clear)
[19:15:35] <darsie> I get a Kerbol escape trajectory at 2727.3 m/s from 71 km orbit.
[19:16:00] <darsie> Is it really that much worse at 200 km?
[19:16:15] <raptop> I don't think he means Δv
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[19:16:36] <raptop> hm
[19:16:39] <darsie> Did he mean total delta-v?
[19:17:00] <raptop> No, as in that's how fast you're going at that altitude
[19:17:14] <raptop> ah, webchat's like *that*
[19:17:17] <darsie> ah
[19:17:26] <TwistenX> :(
[19:17:32] <darsie> velocity, not delta v.
[19:18:05] <TwistenX> what's the purpose of ion engines
[19:18:14] <TwistenX> they're so ineffecient
[19:18:22] Action: raptop headdesk
[19:18:23] <darsie> Only 4200 Isp.
[19:18:48] <TwistenX> and a low TWR even with small craft
[19:18:54] <Dman979> Low thrust? Yes. Inefficient? Absolutely not.
[19:19:14] <Althego> they are ridiculously overpowered if you compare them to real ones
[19:19:24] <Althego> nevertheless i avoid using them
[19:19:26] <darsie> 2000 N vs. 250 mN irl.
[19:19:30] <TwistenX> you also can only recharge EC but not Xenon Gas
[19:19:40] <raptop> Like 3 or 4 orders of magnitude higher TWR, so with clever design you can hover in Mun or lower gravity
[19:20:18] <TwistenX> star wars logic
[19:20:47] <darsie> Dawn orbited two asteroids, a firts due to ion engines.
[19:20:51] <raptop> Star Wars logic is that old movies about WW2 and samurai are cool
[19:21:02] <raptop> (And they are!)
[19:21:37] <Althego> at least until ww3
[19:21:48] <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_(spacecraft) Dawn is a retired space probe that was launched by NASA in September 2007 with the mission of studying two of the three known protoplanets of the asteroid belt: Vesta and Ceres.[1]
[19:22:02] <raptop> ^
[19:22:09] <raptop> Shame that they weren't able to pull off the Pallas flyby
[19:23:32] <darsie> With the propellant it carried, Dawn was able to perform a velocity change of approximately 11 km/s over the course of its mission, far more than any previous spacecraft achieved with onboard propellant after separation from its launch rocket.[58] 
[19:25:10] <TwistenX> milk
[19:25:33] <darsie> Dawn finally launched from pad 17-B at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station on a Delta 7925-H rocket[76] at 07:34 EDT,[77][78][79] reaching escape velocity with the help of a spin-stabilized solid-fueled third stage.[80][81] Thereafter, Dawn's ion thrusters took over. 
[19:26:52] <TwistenX> ok
[19:27:11] <raptop> Ah, the best Delta II
[19:29:15] <TwistenX> there was a Titan rocket that had a bunch of SRBs
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[20:55:06] <XXCoder> ;mission
[20:55:07] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You outsource the assembly of your rockets to Australia. You find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!
[20:55:18] <XXCoder> thanks australia!
[20:57:57] <TwistenX> plot twist; it's all stolen gold
[20:59:58] <Dman979> ;mission 
[20:59:59] <LunchBot> Dman979: You try adding a mission with the ;mission command. You are swarmed by drones, but thankfully they are from Amazon and come bearing gifts.
[21:00:06] <Dman979> ;mission
[21:00:06] <LunchBot> Dman979: You attempt to drive your solar sail vessel with a flashlight. Unfortunately your Linux install lacks the Arial.ttf fonts so you have no idea what your outcome in KSP is.
[21:00:22] <Dman979> ;mission
[21:00:22] <LunchBot> Dman979: You build a ship for the stated purpose of outrunning its own mass. A boat is in the way, and everyone complains until its interference is dealt with.
[21:00:29] <Dman979> ;mission
[21:00:29] <LunchBot> Dman979: You attempt to aerobrake Jool in Eve's atmosphere. Your flightplan ends up being messed with by UmbralRaptor.
[21:00:36] <Dman979> cool command
[21:01:02] <UmbralRaptor> Dman979: you'll need more engines for the jool moving 
[21:04:23] Action: darsie sent a 3404 VF ship on Kerbol escape: https://i.postimg.cc/GLDcgD3n/screenshot356.png https://i.postimg.cc/knzJysmy/screenshot355.png
[21:05:22] <FLHerne> ;mission add Dman979 keeps requesting new missions.
[21:05:23] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added mission: Dman979 keeps requesting new missions.
[21:15:05] <TwistenX> name a yellow fruit
[21:19:00] Action: darsie sent a 3404 VF ship on Kerbol escape: https://i.postimg.cc/GLDcgD3n/screenshot356.png https://i.postimg.cc/knzJysmy/screenshot355.png
[21:21:14] <packbart> well, there's a friendship drive mod for KSP now
[21:22:28] <packbart> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/204937-110x-112x-wip-kerbal-dangerous-ed-style-frame-shift-drive/
[22:09:34] <TwistenX> ÿ
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