[00:03:15] ;choose astronomical simulations\KSP [00:03:25] kmath? [00:03:36] ;choose astronomical simulations|KSP [00:03:36] UmbralRaptor: KSP [00:03:43] hrm [00:05:13] :3 [00:05:20] ;choose continue writing code|nap [00:05:20] Tortoise767: nap [00:05:28] yeees thanks [00:57:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:49:44] Man, I hope manual driving is never banned in the US. I would be terribly upset if that happened. [01:49:51] And I don't think it'll happen. [01:50:52] Then again, there's no Constitutional amendment saying that the right of the People to keep and drive automobiles shall not be infringed. [01:52:17] yet [01:52:58] you know what I've been wondering about self driving cars? Do they use the horn when someone won't get out of the way? [01:57:29] they make polite little r2d2 noises [02:02:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:21:40] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [02:21:40] As far as I know, they're still trying to make self-driving cars obey all traffic laws. And I don't think it's legal to honk the horn other than to warn someone of danger. [02:22:24] Man, imagine if they made cars which enforce traffic laws. Whatever the speed limit is, they won't go faster than that. [02:22:26] *shudder* [02:22:46] The most important legal right is the right to violate traffic laws. [02:25:40] i think...that's the opposite of following traffic laws [02:26:06] that'll murder your self-driving car, right? [02:26:17] the whole paradox and stuffs? [02:30:34] how can you have a legal right to violate the law? [02:31:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:43:51] "how can you have a legal right to violate the law?" - Shush, don't think about it too hard. :D [02:45:32] i try not to think usually [02:48:50] tends to make my life easier [02:51:17] o_O [02:52:18] ignorance is truly bliss [02:53:44] alcohol is truly ignorance [02:55:54] Action: UmbralRaptor probably had > 0.5 l of coffee today, so& [03:07:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:17:27] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [03:17:27] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7lxuvr/merry_christmas_eve_everyone/ [05:22:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:02:41] Last message repeated 6 time(s). [07:02:41] fffff... ugh [08:11:18] https://imgur.com/a/kTu07 [08:11:24] kerbal mecha program [08:11:38] orbital tea time https://i.redd.it/msw0l0xk9c501.jpg [08:12:53] thunderbirds are go (the kerbal way) https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/RawAppropriateGull [08:22:32] blink... blink... [08:22:41] mecha cool, tea party cute [08:47:07] :) [08:53:25] Hmm? [08:57:19] experience tranquility [09:49:03] oh for frigs sake... [09:49:53] lol, sorry but... don't suppose anyone's still kicking around? Sorta noticed somethign with the big 'XL3' rover wheels... a bit of a problem wondered if anyone ran into it or if its just a v1.2 issue [09:52:46] what's the problem [09:53:19] built a large roving mining rig, coupula as driver's seat.. [09:53:26] not sure if it matters... [09:53:57] I get on runway.. use 'w' to drive forwards.. it draws big amount of power, then it quickly drops off to nill soon as the whole thing moves.. barely get any speed past 10m/s [09:54:15] yet... I try to skid steer, pushing forward at the same time, I can get the whole thing to quickly speed up to 30-40m/s... [09:55:01] from a stand still it only draws 100.. the drops quickly soon as it starts moving. skid steering zaps a huge 250 or so and doesn't even drop. Just wondering... 1.3 update that or? [09:55:04] that normal? [09:59:12] I think it's always had that, because it's tank steering [10:00:34] ok... [10:00:42] wish was a way to just 'boost' the power though... [10:01:23] sorta harsh that power drops to nill so quickly and barely get any speed out of things.. maybe some sorta top speed setting that can be adjusted [10:04:08] I barely use the things.. just thought I'd try something out in sandbox after seeing a video clip [10:07:56] lego sls http://kep.index.hu/1/0/1908/19085/190852/19085289_e38dab81f665a5af1cbe2eb087358353_x.jpg [10:08:49] How much did NASA pay for this? ;) [10:09:01] well, I shouldn't really care, it's not my money, but... [10:12:40] nasa has nothing to do with this [10:16:41] cool [10:16:51] though... looks like its spitting out lava from the boosters [10:21:55] that looks nice [10:22:29] the prop making workshop I worked at in school could make stuff like that so it's not really high end stuff [10:22:48] carved polystyrene and some glassing to make it look nice [10:29:00] Fluburtur: for you it's not hard to make. I would have to look up a tutorial ;P [10:29:19] yeh [10:29:36] just make a 1/100 for practice then you can make a real scale one [10:31:32] it's the same thing as if somebody asks you to explain how a transistor works ;) [10:31:41] I probably can still do it in my sleep [10:32:00] "well you see, when there is a voltage difference across a NP junction..." [10:32:04] I really have no idea [10:32:15] I know what they do but how they work is dark magic [10:32:17] ( *I'm probably still able to do it whilst I'm asleep ;) [10:32:20] and magic smoke [10:32:52] it has something to do with holes and charges. ;) [10:33:20] That's what my first professor wanted me to believe. But that's bollocks. [10:33:41] uh, I shouldn't say that, without knowing what it really means [10:33:47] I had a tech teacher that told us the compact disc are punch cards [10:33:59] in some way, yes [10:34:10] yeah but he told us that the laser goes through [10:34:14] and it doesn't work like that [10:34:25] I tried to teach him but he was quite an ignorant really [10:34:26] that's also, ehm, not right. [10:35:29] you should have brought a dismantled cd drive and ask him, where the sensor on the other side of the disk is [10:35:39] heh [10:35:43] I should have [10:35:49] not sure I had anyt back then [10:36:10] well, what you call "back then" had already BlueRays ;) [10:36:36] I guess [10:36:42] I was like [10:36:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx1PAA5Q2HY Uh :D [10:36:44] YouTube - Astronaut Scott Kelly teaches orbital mechanics with Kerbal Space Program | Ars Technica [10:36:46] 12 I think? [10:37:05] https://78.media.tumblr.com/de98d9839307edfa43d04811f49e5a48/tumblr_inline_oyb7jr9wpT1se257g_540.png [10:38:57] also I watched a documentary yesterday and apparently being a canadair pilot is about as hard at joining the patrouille de france [10:39:04] more dangerous too [10:44:19] well we just had a power cut [10:44:32] the house electrical system isn't christmass ready it seems [10:44:33] Uh [10:44:44] only the house or the whole neighbourhood? [10:44:52] only our house I think [10:45:12] I don't remember, when I experienced a blown fuse the last time [10:46:05] also I did some math for my canadair [10:46:17] well, there was a big blackout in a city nearby a few weeks ago [10:46:49] the wing loading is 40 grams per square decimeter so a bit high and it should have a twr of about 0.5 [10:46:57] so it might fly like a real one [10:47:20] and last night 60 % of our power was from wind energy [10:47:31] not bad [10:48:06] yeah, just a bit more and some way to store the energy and we could be 100 % renewable [10:48:28] could. Everything else is politics and that's not the right channel for this [10:48:39] some peoples in france want to stop nuclear energy but we don't have enough renewale [10:49:21] yeah, we're selling you our dirty coal power... [10:50:58] tbh I just want fusion power tob e a thing [10:51:31] what might fly like the real one? [10:51:38] my rc canadair [10:51:46] ah the rc [10:52:12] was just rolling out my kerbalized RJ45.... seems to be one of my fav planes I built in ksp so far [10:52:56] Flub2: well, I guess we will be 100 % renewable before that happens. [10:53:54] Flub2: demostrated plasma densities enough for net fusion energy gain - 1) gravitational confinement 2) inertial pulsed radiative confinement [10:54:06] Action: bees prefer second [10:54:29] I guess fusion counts as renewable [10:54:39] hmm... gravity.. [10:54:44] da, comrade [10:54:52] lets mass produce fusion devices [10:54:59] (one-time use, non-refundable) [10:55:04] other than how mass creates it.. have a feeling artifical means might be a bit... difficult [10:55:26] bees, turn water into lutz [10:55:59] ... mmm... ZPMs... [10:56:21] Gasher_: we can even build a suborbital delivery systems for them, so everyone could have some fusion power! [10:56:59] remember back in old days.. talk of building giant solar panels in space, beaming the power to major cities. [10:57:09] i guess not for long but it wuld be more than enough for them [10:57:22] simcity played around with the idea.. even created a disaster where people got nuked from space from microwaves [10:58:32] hehe [10:58:37] JCB: theoretically, if you have some unobtainium that resist everything, you can create fusion in sufficiently fast spinning centrifuge [10:58:52] well, it looks like our solar panels on the ground are good enough to not need "power from space" ;) [10:59:05] its like chlorine in the water - just turn it on a bit more if yu think that a particular place is overpopulated [10:59:07] JCB: i guess that would count as gravitational [11:03:29] you know for the wing floats of my canadair I might just use sticks and plastic spoons [11:03:37] they won't float but skip over the water [11:03:47] actually I think they need to float there [11:03:53] ... floaty plane [11:03:58] you could carve them out of foam [11:04:02] eh I can just make foam triangles [11:04:03] what model is it? [11:04:18] nothing, just looks a bit like a canadair [11:04:26] https://imgur.com/a/3QFUT [11:05:32] oooooh.. the CL-415 [11:05:43] yeah sort of [11:05:55] >.< the fact they belly scraped one of those birds on ice pilots.. arrrg. [11:07:01] Flub2: would it make the tail lighter if you replace it with foam? [11:07:07] I need to find how to paint it however [11:07:09] ah sorry.. the 215 is the radial engine version [11:07:22] maybe [11:07:27] but im too lazy for that [11:07:35] I made it that way so it's strong [11:07:40] foam plane, trying to figure out how to paint? [11:07:44] yeah [11:07:54] unless I cover it all with tape I can't use spray paint [11:08:01] so water based paint I guess [11:08:16] well, I'd say silicon based [11:08:25] *silicone [11:08:26] you want a smooth finish or do you care if the foam shows through? [11:08:41] acrylic get's too hard and breaks easily [11:09:25] you check rc groups much? they have a thread that might have some talk you could make use of [11:09:26] https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?715220-How-the-hell-do-you-paint-foam [11:09:58] though, warning, its 11 pages long by now [11:10:30] Flub2: and paint it and then cover it with tape ;) [11:10:43] nah [11:10:55] I want it to scratch off and look nice [11:11:31] blep... ok now feeling a little sad ksp doesn't have more airports.. [11:13:31] JCB: there's a mod for that. [11:13:41] kerbinside [11:14:18] I know... one of my early versions of ksp on here has it, along with firespitter [11:14:41] I did a beech 18 in there though it looks a little .. toony [11:16:33] I actually put in a few places down along the cost south of KSP.. just to help flesh things out a little. [14:01:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:38:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:16:42] uh I still need 100¬ to get my heli [15:40:21] dammit... my savegame is broken :( [15:41:18] my asteroids ' pushers' are all inside the asteroids... no way to get them out without explosions [15:42:32] hehe [15:43:17] issues with https://github.com/BobPalmer/ART/releases [15:43:56] It makes asteroids bigger... but my game seems buggers because they simply don't stay the size they are between scene change [15:44:04] it's rare... but annoying [15:44:31] so far it's only been make them 'smaller'... but the reverse isn't fixable without breaking everything [15:47:13] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/907904802356573879/1F96C3E9AC75757A95E271001FC81155973D36A7/ [15:47:39] ideas? [16:34:10] isn't there some ignore collisions debug cheat? [16:34:52] RandomJeb: yep. It's called time warp ;). [16:35:25] I was thinking of that cheats menu [16:36:37] mod+f12 or something, I think it has been a few years since I used it so I'm not sure if it's on there or if that was the key combo :P [16:40:54] internal collisions aren't really a thing anymore. [17:34:07] anyone see the Bradley Whistance Odyssey by Bill book 29? I uhh had no idea one could do achieve that little [17:34:22] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCgfmF68YoQ <- link for anyone who wants it [17:34:23] YouTube - The Odyssey by Bill, Book 29: A reasonably sized spaceplane [17:36:23] lol that spaceplane [17:36:30] it is a [17:36:57] lol dunno [17:50:17] so I have some steel wire here and the packaging says "japan quality" on the front and "made in china" on the back [17:51:11] japan quality from china [17:51:19] no problem here [17:51:39] and we know one of the japanese steel companies, i think kobe, was faking quality [17:51:40] also says "keep away from fire and other sources of heat" [17:52:06] Althego: did you hear of the shinkansen near disaster? [17:52:14] no [17:53:06] a train with a cracked bogie was allowed to continue running for several hours, when they pulled it from service the crack was 3cm away from breaking apart [17:53:21] was like a week ago or so [17:53:54] sounds like someth Amtrack would do [17:54:05] 80+ in a 30 [17:54:24] amtrak equipment gets destroyed by human error before it can wear our [17:54:28] *out [17:54:36] having metal fatigue in railroad is like everyday business. only the checks have to be good enough to catch them early [17:54:46] or the flywheel that came off the drive shaft and blasted through 5 other engines in the rail yard [17:55:19] actually amtrak uses a lot of rather old equipment, right? [17:55:38] not any more. Too many "required" upgrades in the past few years [17:55:45] it was cheaper to buy new than upgrade [17:56:10] oldes engin is less than 2 year, oldest car is less than 5 [17:56:22] Alanonzander: my completely uninformed opinion is that that company just has no safety culture [17:56:43] I have to agree, using my semi-informed opinion [17:57:07] and the fact that a newly opened line was allowed to lack positive train control is completely inexcusable [17:57:11] Action: Alanonzander uesed to live in the city that was the SLC<->Denver secondary rail yard [17:57:29] Glass|phone: Exactly. With nearly brand new equipment too [17:58:09] Wow, I was very uninformed too. I'm from scandinavia which just goes to show AmTrack's reputation was poor all around the world [17:58:12] they had "Not yet turned it on" since all the equipment (engines/cars) for that line hadn't yet been fully upgraded [17:59:09] knowing the RRs as I do, it was "save money until FY 2018 when the law says we have to" [18:00:51] The RR Unions (there are 5 or 6 I think) would also have been against the automation since it would 'lead to the reduction of labor force' [18:01:23] Alanonzander: I follow a lot of china related people on twitter including railway staff and they appear to have none of the ridiculous problems that US railroads have [18:01:55] I mean there's people in the us who consider broken couplers and derailments normal [18:01:56] They, probably, aren't trying to run their railroads on a purely profit bases either [18:02:18] no, they lose a lot of money actually [18:02:24] and China has it's own RR issues too, you just don't hear about them as often [18:03:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi1ApYivlE8 [18:03:05] YouTube - Mike Helmick says SpaceX landings are fake? [18:03:23] Amtrack has it's funding cut in half in the last 4 National budgets (and cut by 10-20% for each 'continueing amendment') [18:03:32] they appear to prefer losing money over losing infrastructure through decomissioning [18:04:11] for if they received 200 Million USD each year, after those 4 budges, and continuing amendments, they would have been operating at leastt than $1 million USD [18:04:28] *less than [18:04:46] and yes, those numbers are much smaller than they were actually getting [18:05:18] in 1970, Amtrack received (adjuted to today's USD) just over 1.2Billion a year. [18:05:37] in 2010, Amtrack received less than $500 Million [18:05:59] Althego: who's mike helmick [18:06:03] dunno [18:06:06] doesnt matter [18:06:14] the most common problem I hear about from china is that curious photographers and surveillance states don't always mix, but that is not really a the fault of the railway company [18:06:17] if you were in charge... and had to turn a profit, what is the first thing you would cut? [18:06:19] spacex landings from a perspective we havent seen them [18:06:30] and the deal with it at the end lol [18:07:18] oh yes, and you couldn't cut routers or timetables [18:07:23] *routes [18:08:07] in 1970, a ticket from SLC to Denver was $75 (adjusted to current USD) [18:08:08] Alanonzander: well safety cuts end up costing you a lot more, but who could have known... [18:08:25] in 2010 that same ticket is over $300 [18:08:51] and now lunch is also extra (included in the 70's) [18:09:53] yes safty cuts seem absurd, but if you have the choice of paying for fuel, or a new 'safty gadget' that is not yet required, you buy the fuel, right? [18:10:35] if you already havc the gadget, but it costs extra to unr, you don't turn it on untill required. [18:10:40] *run [18:11:25] I've watched trains go through the yard, limit is supposed to be 25Mph. I've personally clocked them at over 75mph [18:12:00] 500+ fully loaded cars [18:12:33] ;wa 75mph to km/h [18:12:34] Glass|phone: convert 75 mph (miles per hour) to kilometers per hour: 120.7 km/h (kilometers per hour) [18:12:41] :) [18:13:00] ...I wish my morning commute would do 120 [18:13:22] are you sure? think about the curves [18:13:32] are they rated for 120? [18:13:43] they weren't in Washington State [18:13:50] although since I spend 12~15 mins on the train it wouldn't really matter [18:14:19] Alanonzander: like half of it is straight [18:14:29] Action: Alanonzander nods [18:14:54] if you look up tokyo on a map, then a bit to the west [18:14:55] but you have to "get up to speed" then "slow down" you can go faster by finding the middle ground speed for the rated line [18:15:13] faster == in a time sense [18:15:20] there's a perfectly straight line there going out of the city [18:15:44] so going out of the city, speeding up, then come to the curve and have to slow back down [18:16:09] it takes 1/3 again more distance to slow down than it takes to speed up (on average) for trains [18:16:35] ...btaking should be faster [18:17:11] should be, yes. The metal on metal 'wheels' don't work as well fiction wise when slowing down [18:17:20] for EMUs braking should be a bit faster, despite being built for acceleration [18:17:45] slam the breaks hard (ie cut the air hoses) and the car will slide down the tracks [18:18:15] brakes should be a lot better than on freight cars, plus the low weight [18:18:24] they are now incoporating small studs into the wheels and tracks to counter that [18:18:47] Local engineers called it "RR Velcro" [18:19:24] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E231_series [18:20:07] oh yes, and that system, probably rund just people, yes? No major freight over the same lines [18:20:15] *runs [18:21:05] there used to be freight here [18:21:40] Amtrack has to 'get out of the way for freight" due to the lower contracted price to the local RR companies [18:22:02] the chuuou line where I live simply has no purpose for freight [18:22:22] I mean it serves freight but not where I live [18:22:29] Lucky you :) I wish Amtrack has it's own dedicated tracks, at least in higher density areas. [18:22:53] doesn't it at the east coast? [18:23:22] maybe from NY to DC [18:23:33] NewYork to DC, it might. But anything west of the East coast, it runs over UnionPacific Lines [18:24:19] also most freight trains here in japan are scheduled [18:24:34] They have been talking about building dedicated lines on the West coast too, but too many NIMBYs [18:24:43] most of them run between container terminals [18:24:59] Here too, UPRR has them less than 3 minutes apart in some cases [18:25:32] Throught he rocky mountains it is the worst (which is whereI get my data) [18:26:09] which is why there are no freight trains behindcmy house, everything that doesn't have to go into the middle of tokyo is better routed to somewhere else [18:26:09] there are only 3-4 main lines going over the mountains (not sure I count the southernmost one) [18:27:51] you have the northern most, though Wyoming, then working your way south you have one going through Colorado, then 2 going through texas and mergin in New Mexico. [18:28:28] Amtrack uses the middle one through colorado, until it gets shut down with a derailment, or closed passes [18:28:36] then it uses the northernmost. [18:28:58] it USED to use the northernmost path, in the 70's and very early 80's [18:29:16] but it "wasn't senic enough" [18:29:30] so basically there's a massive bottleneck in the network? [18:29:44] yep [18:30:40] really nasty one too because to fix it would require more money a year than the US generates every 10 years [18:30:56] blasting mountains is very costly [18:31:02] tunneling moreso [18:31:24] in europe there is a trunk line going from the netherlands down through switzerland [18:31:30] way too many NIMBYs and stupid (and useless) federal regulation [18:31:31] s [18:31:57] now you might have heard of the gotthard base tunnel [18:32:02] yep [18:32:22] very large engineering project [18:33:08] truth is, it's kinda useless, because in germany they still haven't upgraded to the same traffic volume [18:33:20] :( [18:34:07] that is the sort of project we need, except it wouldn't be ~57km long, it would be several hundres of km long [18:34:15] and just this year there was a cave-in while boring an underpass to allow quadruple tracking the line, reducing the available tracks to zero for a month [18:34:42] nasty [18:34:51] hasn't heard about that. [18:35:37] but europe is kinda funny anyway. infrastructure usually belongs to a state owned company, and all railway companies can use it equally [18:36:08] The US needs to look at doing that for lots of its infrastructure :( [18:36:11] they won't though [18:36:42] so basically it's operated like a road, and as chaotic as a road [18:36:50] Action: Alanonzander nods [18:38:51] there was a woman who was dissatisfied with the privatization, so she bought her own locomotive [18:39:40] that's rather extreme (and costly) [18:40:46] Alanonzander, not if you do it TopGear style [18:41:33] the first locomotive was not in a very good condition and did not last that long I think, the second and third are both from around ww2 and I think they may be both operating right now [18:41:37] wouldn't work in the US, too many regulations, most of which are worthless [18:43:29] you don't even need a 'railway company', there apparently also are 'rail vehicle owning companies' in germany [18:44:09] the latter is only allowed to operate on behalf of an actual railway company, which is what that woman does [18:45:08] interesting [18:47:30] it appears that it's not a one person company anymore, but the website still lists her name in the contact address [18:48:55] probably "ceo" these days [18:49:05] or company president [19:06:09] mana mana [19:42:17] I think I have enough room in my canadair to be able to retrofit a water scoop and drop if I want [19:42:30] at the good spot too, under the cg is empty space [19:42:46] will it be operayion [19:42:48] al? [19:43:01] if I want to make it, I guess [19:43:09] scoop water and extinguish a miniature fire [19:43:10] won't be able to hold more than half a liter [19:43:25] or even better, poor it on yourself in case the weather is hot [19:43:36] or other peoples [19:43:44] there is often a lot of peoples where I will fly [19:44:04] I guess one servo to operate a scoop and another to open the tank should work [19:44:20] open the overflow port to let it fill too [19:44:42] https://youtu.be/JCL0_TTsHzo?t=10 [19:44:43] YouTube - The awesome Canadair CL 215 T [21:01:08] Soooo...I ended up choosing Lubuntu for the netbook. [21:01:29] sudo apt-get install i3 [21:03:03] heh [21:21:06] yo drac [21:25:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:26:14] Evening, Gentlemen. [21:26:30] night [22:07:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:50:30] apparently I have enough money to get my heli [22:50:44] last I remembered I needed 350¬ but the guy can sell it to me for 240 [22:50:51] that means I could buy a new radio [22:50:55] or tools for the heli [23:04:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net