[00:03:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:53:03] Action: darsie builds a complex thing with lots of parts and KSP got very slow. [00:55:53] I'm not sure I can finish it. [00:55:58] so slow [01:12:38] did you get 1.6? [01:12:49] they fixed a lot of many parts / memory issues thing with it [01:16:47] no [01:19:03] I have 10,621 parts. [01:27:58] Hmm, maybe I could change some graphics settings to speed it up. [01:34:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:38:57] Any idea which ones? It does have to process each part anyways, though. [02:00:43] That's better. Still sluggish, but better. [03:27:56] steam down for anyone else? [03:50:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:47:50] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [05:47:50] anyone have xplane 11? thinking about getting it. [06:27:26] sigh.. I had an earlier version... [06:35:58] JVFoxy, xp10? [07:10:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:13:32] sorry... [07:13:36] no way earlier.. [07:13:51] I don't remember which version.. single digits [07:49:22] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:06:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:13:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:49:10] wow new danny video [08:49:17] preview of next is... interesting [10:00:20] Rolf: liiiiiiinnnkk ;) [10:00:33] sure a sec [10:00:54] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUjGZthvytM [10:00:54] YouTube - Quick Update aka "WHEN IS NEXT VIDEO?!" [10:02:29] so Danny got KSP to draw zickzack orbit lines :D [10:07:42] an weirdly glitchy world [10:08:04] looked like mountains were reeeally tall? dunno [10:32:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:19:26] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:19:26] Merry Christmas! [11:47:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:58:41] merry xmas [12:09:22] is anybody playing ksp on ps4? [12:09:35] we saw somebody last week :) [12:10:35] my computer died where i had ksp installed, so my last resort is my ps4, but i have read really good and bad reviews [12:11:02] i am unsure whether it is worth it... [12:11:18] lags behind several versions [12:11:40] and a separate team is making it [12:11:48] not that there is much left from the original ksp team [12:12:51] i dont really care about it lagging behind some version as long as its playable [12:13:31] have you ever played it on ps4? [12:13:56] no, i dont go near consoles because of the deadly radiation [12:14:32] i understand ;) have a good christmas time! [12:14:57] deadly rads? :P [12:15:22] causes brain damage, testicular cancer and death [12:16:28] so consoles has uranium? or maybe tritium? [12:22:41] you need ionizing radation. which means alpha or beta emitter in least. nothing in any console has such. [12:27:04] it's not in a console - it's in the head :) [12:44:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:16:17] it could have a gamma laser? [13:17:04] Althego: the good news is that it's not worse than that cellphone tower next door [13:17:10] I heard gamma (x-ray?) lasers can be pumped with nukes. [13:21:01] the most radioactive thing you might find in an average house is the starter of a "neon" lighting tube [13:21:44] Action: darsie 's house is not average :). [13:22:02] http://bksys.at/bernhard/img/radioactives.jpg [13:22:34] hehe [13:22:38] old wristwatches [13:22:51] The watch in the double bag is very active. [13:23:18] Trying to contain the radon till it decays before it seeps out. [13:23:22] granite slabs are cool too [13:23:33] here it is all around [13:23:50] cellars are usually full of radon gas [13:24:06] --> living on the fifth floor [13:24:14] same [13:24:15] but mostly because of sunlight [13:24:36] What floor is at ground level? [13:24:55] 1 in this building [13:26:57] one of my favorite xkcd https://xkcd.com/radiation/ [13:27:03] yeah :) [13:27:49] I couldn't detect banana radiation, even in a supermarket shelf. [13:28:03] Leaves wrapped around the GM tube were detectable. [13:28:04] yet it is definitely radioactive due to possemium [13:28:09] in fact WE are radioactive [13:28:12] potassium ;) [13:28:13] just tiny number [13:28:21] yeah some elements i cant spell [13:28:26] about 7000 Bq/human. [13:28:39] I have to do it the hard way, memorize. only way I can spell stuff lol [13:28:54] Can you say it properly? [13:29:07] the question isn't really "is X radioactive" but "how much above the background radiation?" [13:29:14] theoretically? my voice certainly works., [13:29:24] so others say anyway lol [13:29:36] Try it. Say potassium :). [13:29:44] i dont know any spoken language [13:29:54] Rolf: how often are other people present when you say element names outloud? [13:29:55] Are you a bot? :) [13:30:08] why would you think that? [13:30:17] i dont know any spoken language [13:30:25] well thats truthful statement yes [13:31:35] I have been born deaf so I learned one signed language [13:31:35] potassium is a stupid name [13:31:39] it is kalium [13:31:40] ic [13:32:55] there are alledgedly people who learned to speak besides being deaf [13:33:55] Maybe you could look at frequency patterns of your speech or get feedback from voice recognicion software or humans. [13:34:31] why? [13:34:46] Speaking is useful. [13:34:55] i have perfectly functional sign language and written english [13:34:59] ok [13:35:02] I lived with those for last 42 years [13:35:24] it would probably only be useful to attempt that with children [13:36:03] much depends on context also [13:36:04] i don't know how that compares to trying to learn a foreign language [13:36:11] my entire family is deaf so yeah [13:36:15] https://vocalability.com/spectrograms-and-learning-to-sing/ [13:37:17] Action: darsie didn't read that article. [13:38:24] But I guess I'm not the first one to suggest this in 42 years. [13:38:32] yeah not going to bother. yeah :) [13:38:47] a friend of mine works at a hearing aid company, and he told me this story about a family who visited his office, where both parents are deaf, and they wanted to figure out if their baby was deaf as well. when that test came out as "probably deaf", he talked to them about cochlea implants, and they were staring back at him like he was frankenstein [13:39:14] hehe [13:39:29] heh thats kinda of very bad topic to ask in any deaf community [13:39:51] My aunt has electrodes in her brain to dampen her Parkinsons. [13:40:39] Rolf: i imagine that topic comes up more and more often as technology in BCI areas is progressing [13:41:18] its very strange, since choice means person should be in least 13 before asking if want em [13:41:34] but brain needs implants to develop hearing centers well before 13 years old. [13:41:52] there is severial surgeries across kid life to fit bigger size ones [13:42:08] means hopsital visit few times before adult and stop grow [13:43:33] it might very well be a case for the state to come in and override parent's wish for the well-being of the child, but i won't take a stand on that either way [13:44:01] I dont know, i do predict end of deaf culture in approx 100 to 200 years [13:44:07] gene engineering ya know [13:44:16] no more waardenbergs syndome [13:44:26] as well as many other genetic causes [13:44:39] that might be overestimating things, but certain causes of deafness will turn out to be treatable, yes [13:44:48] whats left is people who become deaf by other ways and tend grow up hearing so want ci or whatever [13:45:21] i just hope some stuff is preserved, like method to do no voice commucation. would be useful with radar broken in water or vacuum [13:46:21] i imagine that will become more of a niche thing, but i don't think it's going to die out [13:46:49] i mean, there's things like that flag alphabet they are using at airfields [13:47:25] bit of interesting history if youre an american [13:47:32] the football huddle? started with deaf [13:47:45] refees signs? by deaf sportman [13:48:04] they realized they liked those since its clear so those kept on [13:48:19] hmm [13:48:27] what happened to the parachutes? [13:48:44] some 1.5 mod makes 1.6 parachutes disappear [13:48:51] :( [13:48:58] i found that not all kerbals have parachutes [13:49:09] but no clear rule when they get them [13:49:13] some said with 3 stars [13:49:20] not that [13:49:23] but i had some with less than 3 stars [13:49:33] cone and radial chutes [13:49:50] oh, those [13:49:55] less than 3 stars dont care if fall and die eh? lol [13:49:57] are they reworked parts? [13:50:08] I'm not sure [13:50:21] i haven't tried running 1.6 yet [13:50:23] I have seti rebalance and other stuff installed from 1.5 [13:50:42] things might have moved in the tech tree? [13:50:47] I have high hopes due to better memory management [13:50:56] I do not want to buy 8G more [13:51:07] I have looked deep in the tech tree [13:51:24] too deep? [13:51:36] hahh [13:51:40] now they are back [13:51:44] reload... [13:51:48] but if you mention seti, that would be the first thing i would suspect being wrong here [13:52:30] only mod problem I had in 1.6 was with ModuleManager itself and the Mk2 Lander Can. everything else still works [14:05:44] I made screen shots of my graphics settings before I minimized them. Will I have trouble restoring them in 1.6? [14:06:29] Needed to speed up the game for my 10,000 part build. [14:25:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtnQLc_NI0Q [14:25:58] YouTube - High-speed camera mounted on a spinning lawnmower blade [14:26:11] now this is mad scientist level [14:26:17] why ould anybody think of this [14:30:37] and i thought smoke detectors are radioactive, at least some of them [14:36:24] Some are. [14:36:29] See my radiactives pic. [14:36:43] you all managed to talk a lot while i was sleeping [14:36:45] I got them via aliexpress. [14:37:35] Action: darsie is on 1.6 and still got fancy soap bubble reflections on some parts. [14:45:09] but there are like 2 shiny parts altogether [15:31:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:33:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:40:42] 1.6 crashed [15:40:54] after minimizing graphics settings. [15:53:15] Is there an FPS counter somewhere? Or just as steam overlay? [15:53:28] there is something in the cheat menu [15:53:35] Didn't find it. [15:54:26] alt-f12 and console, performance [15:56:27] alt-f12 does nothing, but I get there from the pause menue and 'Click for Version info...', but nothing in console/performance. [15:56:53] it does nothing in case you are on mac or linux, then use the corresponding key [15:57:00] i think right shift and f12 [15:57:28] or whatever it is you use instead of alt [15:59:30] I tried all qualifier keys (shift, control, alt, windows, menu). http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot0.png [16:00:20] ahh, no fps during pause it seems :). [16:07:11] Hmm, that doesn't display real fps. [16:07:22] I have like 2 fps, but the graph says 25 [16:11:39] well i had 60 and it said 60 [16:11:49] or rather it was varying around it [16:11:57] the game wants 120 by default but that is pointless [16:12:04] unless you have a monitor to handle it [16:12:10] so i limited to 60 [16:12:52] +it [16:16:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:58:39] impact craters would be nice. [17:13:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:34:23] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1077106553189093376 [17:34:23] <elonmusk> Stainless Steel Starship https://t.co/rRoiEKKrYc [17:34:29] the replies [17:44:05] i'm glad everyone's finally dunking on musk's dumb ideas [17:45:43] he has a few. one of them being the hyperloop [17:46:11] tesla is still yet to succeed financially. although it seems to be making a change in the world towards electric cars [17:46:46] I see a Tesla occasionally in Vienna. [17:47:06] spacex seems to be doing ok. but the constant changes in the next direction to take is concerning [17:47:14] ok, nobody knows how to go to mars. yet [17:47:19] but still [17:47:55] finally i got the maxed out mission control [17:49:05] already day 7. cant imagine i can get the 3.3 million for the science building in 3 days [17:49:48] Stainless is heavier and uses more fuel, but if it lasts longer than aluminium it may be cheaper. [17:50:03] Or carbon fiber composite? [17:50:04] actually it may be lighter [17:50:12] requires less thermal protectio [17:50:18] or rather maybe nothing [17:50:29] the steel is lighter for strength [17:50:38] elon already covered it [17:50:59] Why do airplanes use aluminium, then? [17:51:08] because they dont need to do reentry :) [17:51:14] because they dont reenter the atmosphere [17:51:18] But steel is lighter. [17:51:23] steel needs to be really thin to be the same strength and weight as aluminium [17:51:33] let me explain how metal works [17:51:40] aluminium has a lot of nasty properties [17:51:41] there is this thing called temperature [17:51:42] which means less margin of error [17:51:45] which means extremely bad things [17:51:47] from sturctural standpoint [17:51:48] especially in aerospace [17:51:50] when a temperature changes [17:51:58] so does the metals strenght [17:52:23] when it's really hot and really cold, steel has much better properties than aluminum and cf [17:52:27] Ok, so at elevated temp steel is lighter than aluminium. [17:52:42] yes, that [17:52:42] at elevated temp, aluminum melts [17:53:06] steel gets soft (jet fuel vant melt steel beams, but can get them soft :)) [17:53:26] yeah steel isn't going to survive your average reentry [17:53:34] aluminum would fail if not melt on reentry. steel can get a lot hotter before it would fail and overall you dont need it to get too large [17:53:56] Truga: I'll refer you to Scott's video [17:54:07] russians use steel on the soyuz, but they still also use a heatshield [17:54:08] as scott speculated probably they are going to pump the heat in the fuel tanks [17:54:14] which is normal, unless they are almsot empty [17:54:23] which would be the case [17:54:36] so i am sceptical aabout that [17:54:43] also it depends on how it reenters [17:54:52] that was only one speculation [17:55:16] airplanes already do this, move excess heat into the fuel [17:55:28] anyways [17:55:47] at the end of the day, I trust SpaceX to know what they are doing. more than some KSP armchair engineers [17:56:01] i do too [17:56:04] not elon, though [17:56:12] so it's pointless to look for these perceived flaws [17:56:22] do you really think this is just elon? [17:56:29] like dont be ignorant [17:57:13] also, elon is an engineer [17:58:52] you might as well go back in time and complain about Howard Hughes choices when designing his planes too [17:59:01] these ideas obviously come from a team [17:59:06] elon just voices them [17:59:18] He's not dumb. A little crazy and outlandish maybe, but not dumb. [17:59:59] ^ [18:00:00] but as i said, nobody tried to do things like this before [18:00:13] so it is understandably the ideas seem strange [18:00:23] honestly Howard Hughes is about as apt a comparison as there is [18:00:41] Yeah [18:01:52] counterpoint: he's a dumb rich business type with mostly stupid ideas [18:02:06] he's had a good one or two in the past and now people think he's some kind of tech messiah [18:02:11] only soem of those need to work :) [18:02:13] My friend used to work for Tesla, and said he isn't great as a manager, from what he could tell. However, he is still able to hire really good people, and that's one of the reasons his companies do so well. [18:02:19] counterpoint, clearly you are wrong [18:02:36] hes terrible at business, hes great at ideas [18:02:51] if he did, why is he terrible at business [18:03:00] I mean, from working for tech companies and on hiring a lot, it's being able to have a ton of smart people that are good at what they do [18:03:35] really? you think elon is good at business? [18:04:05] no. [18:04:37] his money has all come from his ideas, not his business acumen [18:04:39] he's good at business. Or at listening to people who are good at business. [18:04:56] again, howard hughes [18:05:06] good at reinvesting his wealth in good ideas [18:05:23] not good at running a business, especially day to day [18:06:00] Yeah, again, friend who worked at Tesla said a similar thing about his ability to run a business [18:06:03] Musk doesn't do the day to day stuff... but he's there, when people need him [18:06:07] his money all come from his dad's apartheid gem mines lol [18:06:23] lolno [18:06:34] his money comes from selling PayPal you lunatic [18:06:49] and he bought paypal with his dad's money, yes [18:07:25] even if, he's doing something with his money, unlike most other billionairs who just sit on it and buy yachts [18:07:50] Making electric cars, even though all told him it's not a good business idea, that's just bold [18:07:53] listen, I dont know what inferiority complex you have driving your jealous hatred of musk, but its horribly childish and misplaced. [18:07:55] yeah, he's accelerating global warming by using his private jet twice a day and shooting cars into orbit [18:07:57] or reusable rockets [18:07:59] he's doing a great job [18:08:12] ehm [18:08:19] you know that he had to test Falcon Heavy? [18:08:24] You get that, do you? [18:08:34] yeah, so why didn't he do something useful while at it [18:08:59] how likely was the success of the mission? [18:09:06] does it matter? [18:09:08] yes [18:09:10] it does [18:09:17] because everything that's useful is very very expensive! [18:09:23] because say you put a 200 million dollar probe on it and it explodes [18:09:28] well, you just wasted a lot of money [18:09:44] Truga: your hate boner is showing and it's stupid [18:09:52] lmao [18:09:52] and it's usual to test new launchers just with concrete blocks as payload [18:09:58] yes, I know that [18:10:07] and it's stupid [18:10:15] you are horribly irrational in your dislike [18:10:20] of a great man [18:10:26] so why not do something that's fun? Make people wanna watch it and inspire them? [18:10:26] they should have put flat earthers there as mass mass simulator :) [18:10:37] Althego: :D [18:10:37] that is useful in all outcome cases [18:10:37] Althego yeah, exactly [18:10:39] that'd be useful [18:11:41] you would be Senator Owen Brewster or Juan Trippe in the Howard Hughes story. [18:12:06] yeah, howard hughes also had a couple good ideas and a buch of really stupid ones, I agree. [18:12:25] his ideas were great [18:12:30] pretty much all of them [18:12:32] like elon [18:12:33] The space Tesla was a great PR stunt, so it was useful. [18:12:47] flat earthers are still butthurt because of it [18:12:47] Rokker: have you ever heard or seen anyone say "don't feed the troll"? [18:12:56] (they didnt get the ride :)) [18:13:29] Ezko: should I go see slayer? [18:13:35] why not [18:13:41] i'm not at all surprised posters in the ksp chat buy into elon's cult, but lol @ troll. [18:13:51] have you seen them before? [18:14:07] no [18:14:17] then yes [18:14:31] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:14:44] Truga: :) [18:14:46] Truga: wow people playing a space game like one of the greatest innovators of space travel in the last 40 years [18:14:57] you must be trolling [18:15:37] it is an undeniable fact that spacex and elon is goping into the history books [18:15:47] still feeding [18:15:48] Althego yeah, I agree [18:15:56] oh look out [18:16:02] some great trolling about to be said [18:16:07] go ahead truga [18:16:13] Ezko the only one trolling here is you [18:16:17] and Rokker on occasion [18:16:27] hehe yes rokker is the resident troll, we know that [18:16:42] nah I'm beginning to agree with Ezko, you are trolling in the most subtle boring way [18:17:15] i found some video that said that the raptor engien was redesigned [18:17:18] why? [18:18:11] moar power [18:18:23] THREE HUNDRED BAR [18:18:49] FFORSC? [18:22:42] Althego: elon confirmed liquid cooling yesterday [18:23:55] for the whatever you call it starship, [18:23:56] ? [18:24:39] i think it's literally named starship :D [18:25:33] Action: Mat2ch has spekulatius [18:25:45] Althego: yeah for the skin [18:26:03] anyone want some? :P [18:26:07] it was bfs before [18:26:18] what, i dont want skin :) [18:26:49] Althego: cookies! [18:26:54] I'm talking about cookies! [18:27:02] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/527190497505181707/DSC_0313.JPG [18:27:34] "Yes, full flow, gas-gas, staged combustion. Will take us time to work up to 300 bar. That is a mad level." [18:27:41] UmbralRaptop: [18:28:01] Fluburtur: nice [18:28:17] this glider is to big for my room [18:28:36] this room aint big enough... :) [18:28:45] for the both of you� [18:28:49] Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh [18:29:47] Sort of like a cross between an RD-170 and an SSME >_> [18:30:05] ssme has way higher isp [18:30:12] I can no longer move parts arbitrarily far. Where can I set this? Editor extensions? 1.5? [18:30:18] but they can still eb the first company to actually use a methane engine [18:30:41] Vulcan might go before BFR [18:30:46] you can, just hold shift while the drag gizmo is on [18:31:00] or Superheavy rather [18:31:14] yeah, thx. [18:32:34] yes blue origin is catching up. but i think they will not have a rocket ready for a while. so only vulcan can get there first which is going to use their engine [18:32:50] space exploration intensifies! [18:34:18] No, but the prerequisites for greatly expanded exploration are. [18:35:14] i have a billy-bobdock kerman in orbit around the mun and waiting to be rescued [18:36:15] Rescued, or forcibly recruited? [18:36:24] hehe [18:36:35] i do these missions because they give me free kerbals and money :) [18:37:00] although 12 is ok for the exploration of the kerbin soi [18:37:08] UmbralRaptop: THULE [18:37:42] ultima thule [18:37:44] in a few days [18:38:06] i wonder how long we are going to receive the information at that bitrate? a year? [18:38:12] the most ultimate of thules [18:38:12] Dawn of the final week. 7 days remain. [18:38:30] Althego: I mean we already have relatively recent pictures [18:38:31] Althego: something like that [18:39:04] (But like Pluto, there will be priorities) [18:39:15] 841 bits per second [18:39:18] not bad [18:39:19] lol [18:39:25] at least the target is smaller [18:40:40] so probably fewer pictures are needed [18:41:36] can new horizons become a voyager style interstellar probe? [18:41:48] possibly [18:42:05] but it is slower, so the power might run out sooner [18:42:14] before it reaches that far [18:42:14] certain instruments might shut down as the power lessens [18:42:49] camera is not needed anyway [18:44:19] I could tell them how to build a boost converter and charge capacitors or batteries. [18:44:36] So stuff can work intermittently. [18:45:03] Heating instruments can be an issue. [18:48:07] UmbralRaptop: too bad they cant heat it radioactively [18:48:29] with the plutonium [18:53:14] Something about design tradeoffs and limited Pu-238? [18:54:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXnWfx6bIVE [18:54:58] YouTube - Song of Healing 10 Hours [19:07:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:25:12] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4xZUr0BEfE [19:25:13] YouTube - The HU - Yuve Yuve Yu [19:38:06] Look what UmbralRaptop found :-) https://twitter.com/AlanStern/status/1077638375602032641 [19:38:07] BREAKING&Signal has just been received at mission control, New Horizons has successfully started its flyby program& https://t.co/FHtaHT9NL1 [19:42:57]