[00:41:55] downloading factorio [04:04:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:09:46] Unity Player [version: Unity 5.4.0p4_b15b5ae035b7] mono.dll caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005) in module mono.dll at 0023:100704db. Error occurred at 2018-01-23_193314. D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program\KSP.exe, run by Caprica. 25% memory in use. 0 MB physical memory [0 MB free]. 0 MB paging file [0 MB free]. 0 MB user address space [2773 MB free]. Read from location 00000000 caused an access violation. Context: EDI: [06:10:09] okay& [06:10:36] hi guys ksp isnt launching anymore it was working fine a few weeks ago [06:11:32] ive tried verifying the cashe in steam and uninstalling and reinstalling any ideas [06:13:05] any mods? try seeing what files (if any) are left over after an uninstall? [06:14:16] just mechjeb [06:16:08] Unsure, especially since 1.3.1 came out in October. [06:17:19] yeah got me stumped [06:17:52] can i launch the game as vanilla? [06:18:10] it doesnt need steam in any way [06:18:57] ^can just copy everything into another directory [06:19:34] but i think if it fails already, and cant be repaired, the cause is something external, like video or sound driver or something [06:20:44] althego what do you mean? can i launch the game outside of steam if thats where i bought it [06:21:06] yes [06:21:39] steam just installs it for you, but not used in any way [06:22:04] as umbralraptor said, you can copy the directory away and have a working copy without steam [06:24:46] do you know how i would update the drivers [06:25:12] that was just an idea, unfounded. if it was working until recently chances are an update broke it [07:04:31] we are doomed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwGeCfWc100 [07:04:31] YouTube - The End of the Habitable Zone | Space Time [08:54:19] Althego: and the end will be slow and painful [09:26:11] and actually not too far away [09:26:20] life has been here for around 4 billion years [09:26:31] the sun will be here for several billion years [09:26:44] yet life will be gone from earth ina few hundred million years at best [10:01:56] 08:07 < Guy-> 07:55 <@dejdo> So we dont control security patches, that is purely up to Sec team who in their infinite wisdom pushed out M$ patches for meltdown / spectre... we currently we [10:02:00] have 1,738 laptops that will not boot. [10:02:03] 08:07 < Guy-> 07:55 <@dejdo> To be fair, those laptops are pretty damn secure right now. :P [11:52:53] https://78.media.tumblr.com/81a03c9afebfc040397100d57bdf192b/tumblr_inline_p2f3w5lXTe1s7fs7q_500.jpg [12:04:00] https://78.media.tumblr.com/dac70c40196b98d31a3226c3b93933f8/tumblr_p2tn0byNSa1tfsdz5o1_540.jpg [12:05:33] hehe [12:10:07] What if raccoons figured out the secret to starting fires? is the scariest hypothetical question my dad has ever posed [12:12:05] Hullo [12:12:15] yo [12:13:26] Fluburtur: what's up? [12:13:33] not much [12:13:52] I made some more modelling for the rocket engine yesterday then realised it was useless [12:14:09] How so? [12:14:40] https://i.imgur.com/YSOCQ3c.jpg [12:14:47] "what a nice cooling duct" [12:14:57] but the motor was made to be very narrow to fit in a plane [12:15:30] then I realised I could jsut wrap the hot parts in cloth like in cat exhaust pipes [12:17:55] Heh [12:17:58] Makes sense [12:18:22] yeah [12:18:25] car* [12:18:26] wtf [12:19:32] I guess now I need to gather the needed parts, build a proto and then do math [12:24:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o technicalfool' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:28:49] I wonder if you could measure it's thrust by setting it onto a kitchen scale [12:28:56] Heh [12:29:14] Changing to wifi [12:29:36] Aand back [12:31:01] maybe but I would want a more accurate test rig [12:31:05] that can log data too [12:31:12] so like arduino and stuff [12:33:36] exept I really don't know how I could get the chamber presure [12:33:44] and I think that's needed to calculate the nozzle [12:53:10] I wonder...I have KSP on Steam...so would it be possible to get it on my Xbox 360 since I already own it on one platform? [12:56:42] Separate games [12:57:47] Also. Not on the 360 [12:58:10] the console version is sold as a different game [13:19:53] https://gyazo.com/9c6b96304efc23f67228960fd911ff60 - I guess I answered my own question...I wondered how the B2 can get away with not having a vertical stablizer. so I built something similar, and the thing is suprisingly stable. [13:28:02] differential drag and drag rudders [13:28:29] I flew some of my flting wings without any vertical stab [13:28:42] they fly very well at speed but become yaw unstale at low speed [14:31:47] Want to write software for a space telescope? https://rn11.ultipro.com/SPA1004/JobBoard/JobDetails.aspx?__ID=*DD2AB581D9B700E9 [14:34:25] https://i.gyazo.com/a775f2e669d604c141f66be2d8bbe2be.png - fLAT kERBIN IDIOTS... [14:34:35] oops caps [14:36:02] hey if all 17 flat earthers collectively strapped themselves to home-made rockets I wouldn't stop them [14:38:31] https://i.imgur.com/2ib6qtk.jpg [14:51:26] did that flat earther ever get permission to kill himself in that bottle rocket? [14:52:29] did he learn to not blow his chute full of holes with debris from the chute release? [14:54:46] https://imgur.com/gallery/nEBr5 [14:55:06] what the heck kmath [14:55:16] wheres me title [14:55:36] kmath is kill [14:55:49] someone should make a custom Factorio controller (lul) [14:57:14] I like this KSP controller, should've had one more blue action button and a switch to flip between 1-5 and 6-10 [14:59:46] Action: darsie put an outpost on the Mun and recovered the first stage. [15:45:53] https://imgur.com/gallery/nEBr5 [15:47:10] fun [15:53:45] so I asked google translate what "do you ship to japan" would be in chinese [15:53:55] and yes, it did exactly what you think [15:54:17] although it was only as an alternate translation [15:56:00] If I consult Google Translate I normally do a double translation - english > target / result > english [15:56:06] what's that then [15:56:29] if the second translation is acceptable and not completely of, I accept the result [15:57:01] Eclipser, you + ship (the vehicle) + japan [15:59:45] good [15:59:56] I got batteries for my precision scale and pitch gauge [16:20:02] I love how the default behavior for just about every nurse in our company is to immediately disconnect me when I remote their machine after THEY open a ticket [16:20:23] I'm sorry, did you not just open a support ticket? too busy for me to fix your computer? [16:56:35] I love how the default behavior for just about every nurse in our company is to immediately disconnect me - Good thing I kept reading... [16:59:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:26:47] it's just frustrating when they open tickets for miniscule problems that would normally take 45 seconds to fix, but they also think that any action taken to fix the piddly problem is a huge interference on their workflow [17:27:36] madmerlyn: welcome to my life... from last week [17:28:20] (We moved down the hall, now I don't have the same neighboors anymore) [17:28:45] I'm annoyed with the ratios on factorio already and I've only played for like an hour [17:29:20] Ratio of mineral X to item Y ^ [17:29:23] ? [17:29:26] stone furnace eats .28 iron ore second, but electric drill outputs .53, which if you multiply by 100 to try to factor a ratio.. is a prime number [17:29:47] which means I can't properly feed 2 furnaces with 1 electric drill [17:30:44] I'm going to have either a shortage or an overflow with any reasonable number of drills and furances, and then if I go up to a steel furnace [17:30:49] 0.57 ore/sec [17:30:58] there is NO parity [17:31:19] That's because it's HARDCORE MODE, just like life [17:31:26] or is this website just doing some weird math with the floats [17:32:23] I suppose it could be inconsistent rounding with floats [17:32:52] I got deep into Anno 2205, but checking out the Wikis and various ressources online, it seems people became uninterested and didn't bother [17:34:02] Kind of sad. It seems instead of making the game harder, they made everything automated and created more random events [17:34:26] tonight I'm doing my taxes before I boot up any games, been procrastinating too long [17:34:32] probably play factorio though [17:34:46] think it'll be a while yet before I get back to nightly KSP [17:34:48] I don't have the proper stuff to do my taxes yet [17:34:56] couple missions per week is enough KSP for me atm [17:35:31] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7ss65r/i_accidentally_merged_jebediah_with_the_fabric_of/ [17:36:02] well I don't have enough income from my dividends to worry about filing them (as I haven't sold any stock) and I have everythign I need to calculate my bitcoin gains as well as my W2 [17:36:18] I made like $4 in dividends last year lol [17:37:05] portfolio gained about 15% though, I'm a bit tenuous about whether I should keep riding it or not because of long term concerns with recent legislation [17:37:12] The software I normaly use to make my taxes isn't in stores yet [17:37:49] I use TaxAct online, I might check out TurboTax this year though [17:38:16] I hate Intuit as a company, but, sadly, they make the best software for the local market [17:42:00] Not to go into politics, but if it wasn't for Intuit we would have Opt-Out instead of Fill-In taxes [17:47:14] Ve2dmn well.. at least you didn't send the world spinning so fast, it starts doing weird phasing things [17:51:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:54:09] why does everyone on reddit keep talking about "kovarex" in factorio? is that Uranium? [17:56:26] man a lot of the lingo is strange [17:56:54] I just got stellaris [17:57:02] like sushi kinda makes sense, but what the heck is a shopping mall? just a mini factory that outputs a lot of different products? [18:00:25] JCB: I'm not the author of the reddit post [18:00:42] Fluburtur: see you next month then [18:00:51] I guess [18:01:02] it's interesting but I need some time to learn it [18:01:06] A game is like 10-25hours [18:02:35] madmerlyn: https://wiki.factorio.com/Glossary [18:02:45] ve2dmn I kind of figured.. was more a general statement. I've seen some weird graphics glitches in other people's videos. The reddit post was rather sublime than most [18:02:50] Apparently, not reorienting your camera on takeoff and while maneuvering is not good for the VAB's health....haha [18:02:58] "Kovarex: The founding father of Factorio and where Kovarex enrichment process gets its name from." [18:03:52] JCB: That post reminded me of 2001 [18:05:18] eh.. Stellaris.. I would love to get it, but after seeing Manley's playthough... I might be a little nervous of my health if I were to play it. :\ [18:05:36] well, more mental health really [18:05:50] JCB: what do you mean? [18:07:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/406147852235046912/washington-dc-washington-ac-meme.png [18:08:55] Fluburtur the spire looks to be holding up quite alright in either case :) [18:19:18] ve2dmn you can have a race of foxes, they look very much like fennecs... I happen to have a fennec companion, who is already pretty old now. (10 years) The combination of the death alert notice being so sudden, sometimes Scotts reaction to finding out, and the idea that some day I may wake up and my little guy won't... [18:19:38] Ha... [18:20:08] But that's just 1 race among a ton... You can play as space birds if you want to [18:20:18] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/399309813713993730/406140444586803200/image.jpg?width=411&height=545 look, a gas mask [18:21:14] TIL that Fennec can be pets [18:22:47] heh.. hadn't really been too fond of birds, no offence [18:23:32] I say companion in my case.. because he's more than just a pet... [18:35:02] Fennec can be pets but they're not really domesticated. Many groups consider it inhumane to keep them as pets [18:35:17] they more or less tolerate living with humans [18:36:45] I'd rather have a coon myself. They're not domesticated either but I think they're pretty happy to not have to scavenge for their food heh [18:38:59] I have so many AA batteries I can afford to keep my wireless mouse on all the time now. [18:40:51] rechargables [18:41:23] Draconiator: we finally ran out, need to go shopping. We turn the keyboard and mouse off as a poor attempt at childproofing. :-) [18:47:10] I use rechargables for my Xbox 360 controller, my wirreless mouse lasts a lot longer anyway, I've been using those el-cheapo Carbon-Zinc ones and they last about a week. [18:50:32] I'm not looking for domestication... [18:52:27] Its more the social aspect... my first one would insist she'd sleep with me at night or sometimes nap together for a little bit during the day. My current doesn't mind sleeping with me, he'll happily enjoy the warmth. [18:55:37] madmerlyn: to be fair "more or less tolerate humans" is a good description of some cats [18:56:12] cats are actually domesticated though [18:56:20] madmerlyn: ... sort of [18:56:35] nah they're a domesticated species [18:57:20] they have strange personalities sometimes, but that's more a product of how they came to become domesticated than anything. Dogs are the way they are because humans selectively bred them to domesticate them [18:57:46] cats kinda just showed up one day chasing the vermin that liked to live around humans and eventually got let indoors [18:58:24] one was more of an active domestication and the other was more passive [19:07:56] madmerlyn: to be fair "more or less tolerate humans" is a good description of some cats <-- this is a cultural problem and not something inherent to catkin [19:08:30] people get cats and then just keep them as some kind of semi-feral pet that isn't trained to do anything but pee in the sandbox [19:08:57] well you don't really train cats to do anything, you just give them affection and play with them [19:09:04] RandomJeb: well, my friend's cat is also trained to kill everything [19:09:10] only utility they really have is killing bugs and vermin [19:09:30] mice, rats, sometimes sparrows [19:09:42] you don't train them to do that, that's just instinct though [19:09:54] I've trained my cat to obey a lot of useful and not so useful commands that any mammalian pet should know like come, sit, stay and heel [19:10:07] my cat that had to be put down last year was great at dealing with insects, even flies [19:10:39] I've never seen a cat that sits or stays on command, that sounds like an insane amount of work to train [19:10:46] it's not [19:10:47] again [19:10:48] cultural issue [19:10:51] you assume so [19:10:53] so it becomes so [19:11:13] they're almost as smart as dogs [19:12:00] I saw my cat once bat a fly out of mid-air from a stationary sitting position and eat it [19:12:08] btw, I never trained any cat to use the kitty litter. They do it automatically [19:12:59] the main thing you need to train them for is to scratch the right thing [19:13:09] Basically [19:13:25] (or just have cheap furniture and don't give a shit) [19:13:38] Also, what kind of animal your prefer reveal a lot about what type of character your have [19:14:58] if I had the climate and could afford it and it was legal here I'd have a few elephants [19:15:36] RandomJeb: I have to agree that they are interesting [19:15:57] I think scratch training is fairly straight forward, get a scratch post and put catnip on it, show it to them [19:16:06] they could do so much farm work around here, we're in an almost stalemate with the trees [19:17:23] Of course, if I could REALLY choose my type of pet, it would be a house hippo or a Mimmoth [19:18:03] ve2dmn: lol mimmoth [19:18:21] they should make plush mimmoths [19:18:40] ... I see someone got the reference [19:21:27] oren: it seems someone did: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/497799445/mimmoth-spheribeast-made-to-order?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=mimmoth&ref=sr_gallery-1-1 [19:23:51] House hippo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfi8OEz0rA [19:23:51] YouTube - House Hippo [19:27:48] I ended up with the fennec just because of how things fell into place. It wasn't actually planned. I'd been considering a fox, a red actually, but then found it wasn't really going to work. Lady had a fennec looking for a home and asked if would consider instead. [19:28:15] in my case.. having both my fuzz butts was the best thing to happen to me in my life. [19:28:46] there are actual domesticated red foxes from a breeder in Russia now, but they're crazy expensive [19:29:07] http://warpology.com/k/science.png finally a science plane that can take thoise above 16 km contractrs [19:29:29] an interesting thing to note, undomesticated red foxes all pretty much have the same tails and fur colors, but the domesticated ones have a lot of variety in tails and fur colors [19:29:34] much like dogs and cats [19:30:01] I've a friend who I think has actually gottne one of the slightly more domesticated reds... it was after his own red passed on a year or so ago [19:30:13] At this point both cat and dogs are engineered creatures. [19:30:22] I'm a little mixed feelings on the domesticated side of things though.. [19:30:56] the truely domesticated species, when you really look at it, is humans [19:31:07] they found some correlation between developing different markings and spots and breeding for less aggression but no causative link iirc, very interesting [19:31:14] Like, what's the "Natural Habitat" of a poodle?.... a House. [19:31:18] not sure if they're still studying or if they're just breeding them now [19:31:31] randomjeb last I heard, been issues with importing now [19:32:20] they also realized that part of the proccess of domestication, not just in foxes, mostly dogs, is that doing so, we've ended up retaining a number of 'baby' traits as the animal grew older [19:33:45] of course there are no natural pugs, humans have been selectively breeding dogs longer than we've been engaging in agriculture [19:33:48] That is also true of cats. A kitten asks for food and attention, but a wild adult is mostly silent [19:34:11] the russian project, they were trying to see if they could breed out the agressiveness in foxes, to allow them to be handled easier for the fur farm industry. The results were rather unexpected. They weren't sure if the fur farms could make use of the changes to the animals because things were so wildly changing. After word got out, interest in the foxes as pets started growing [19:34:58] hah scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jn9VApYqU [19:34:59] YouTube - Green Rocket Fuels - Safer & Better Than Hydrazine (lol!) [19:35:03] I do remember a book where someone enginereed a deadly virus that kill all dogs and wolves, but was mostly harmless to humans (who were vectors of contaimination) [19:35:36] In the end, they had to move the 8 remaining dogs to a remote island [19:36:11] actually foxes as pets isn't a new thing either.. a grave was found with human remains, bones and that of a fox. Whats interesting is, they found the remains of both had been carefully moved and placed back together at another site nearby. Probably meaning that someone knew there was some significance of the two being together. [19:36:23] And one insane rich lady who really wanted her poodle back, went there to capture a dog (therefore killing the rest of them) [19:37:41] I wouldn't mind a desk weasel... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2CTVqt2wxU [19:37:41] YouTube - Ozzy the adorable desk weasel. [19:38:37] The social effect of all the dogs suddenly dying all at once was... interesting [19:38:54] https://scontent-vie1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/6d59b6079cd4852017339872b3384883/5AEE70EF/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/24177482_2091290401099274_5198104888629788672_n.jpg [19:39:04] Of course, it was the author imagination. Who knows what would really happen in such a context [19:41:06] 8 dogs on an island wouldn't survive anyway heh they already have enough genetic problems [19:45:34] In the story, it was all that was left. It was a last-resort thing [19:45:48] Hmm... kind of hard to place when animal domestication became a thing in North America... for something I've been mulling over as a project for some time. [19:47:52] madmerlyn: also, it's a book. She could have said 40, or 400, it didn't really matter. 1 idiot who didn't follow the rules contaminated them [19:49:31] was it an insta-death thing or more, catch a cold.. slowly withered and died off? [19:50:00] (I think the author was Anne McCaffrey) [19:50:10] Dead within 4-5 days [19:50:45] Think Ebola, but for dogs with humans has carriers without symptoms [19:52:44] Since it's a sci-fi story, Extraterrestrials were involved, but first contact was 400 years prior or something, so they were just another character in the story [19:53:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:55:04] heh something of a story idea I've been working on myself. Otherworldly beings, coming by, but mostly to collect data, a number of samples. By the time humanity has started reaching the stars, they soon discover another world, with earth animals on it.. but there's been.. a few changes to them. [19:57:33] I've always liked the idea that the thing that makes humanity unique in the universe is our bangin' tunes. As in, no other alien music can compare to even the blandest Earth pop-rock. [19:57:53] maybe music doesn't exist anywhere else [19:58:14] "you use noise for entertainment? Stupid meat-bags." [19:58:54] I don't know if we should just look for things that make us unique from everything else.. I'd like to see both unique and common... who knows. Maybe music is a common thing like math [19:59:32] I don't think we're looking for things that make us unique, I think we're looking for anything else to be out there [20:00:00] Milky Way, speak to us [20:00:52] I wouldn't think making rhythmic noises for entertainment would be uncommon, just that we'd be better at it. [20:01:12] "those humans on Earth are trying to communicate with us again. What should we do?" "Continue radio silence, they are so stupid they're literally eating laundry detergent. Nothing good will come from communicating with them." [20:01:40] I have no confidence that intelligent life is something that even exists within our hubble volume [20:01:42] Usually sci-fi makes Humans the less advanced race, or the middle-ground race, but as I recall there was only one ever book that made us the music race. [20:02:09] lol.. music race, and i just poked my nose into Macross recently [20:02:11] hubble volume? [20:02:25] like you don't think there's life anywhere the hubble can see? because that's a pretty large swatch of space [20:02:28] hubble volume is the visible area of the universe we can currently see [20:03:00] I find it highly improbable that there isn't any other intelligent life in that area [20:03:10] I think it's more to do with the constant than the space telescope. At a guess. [20:03:15] something about, there comes a point in space, so far out there, that light from that point will never reach us, space is expanding too fast [20:03:40] Supernovy: reference to Year 0 ? [20:03:55] we're talking about millions of galaxies [20:05:20] Yeah that's Hubble constant. [20:05:26] extremely unlikely that there isn't at least another civilization out there. Whether any civilizations are ever capable of interstellar travel is another issue altogether, but I don't think it's probable that we're unique in being the only species in a few billion light years radius that is intelligent enough to develop agriculture [20:05:27] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjK26Tf9PPYAhUN6mMKHbe2Cw8QFghnMAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHubble_volume&usg=AOvVaw3JZtngLFhsXPu-ODP98sLC [20:07:09] currently, from our understanding, this is what htings look like when you get out far enough to see things: http://www.kaheel7.com/userimages/universr-colomn.JPG [20:07:31] to give you a scale of things, each of those points of lights is a super cluster of galaxies. [20:08:21] which means an unfathomable number of stars, and we already know planets are super common, so an even greater unfathomable number of planets [20:09:05] on a scale that large it's statistically impossible we're alone [20:09:12] more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_filament [20:13:51] so we're actually living in some gind of extremely collosal cobweb...heh [20:14:39] nah we're living on an electron from an atom of a piece of dust stuck to the cobweb [20:20:02] I don't know about us.. but htey have found 3 of these formations so far [20:20:18] don't forget.. scale can go both ways too [20:23:44] Supernovy: I was referencing https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12953520-year-zero [20:27:51] Yeah I think that's the one I was thinking of, I couldn't remember the name. [20:28:10] https://imgur.com/gallery/F9V5r [21:00:09] Ahh that nice moment when you run out of RCS fuel and your probe dives head-first into the atmosphere... [21:01:08] huh.. watching video of STS-65 on rentry from inside the cabin.. full coms [21:01:33] they mentioned RCS monoprop... even though rcs on the shuttle is dual prop technically [21:08:51] zilti: last time it happened to me everything non essential burned up, but the core package and parachutes somehow survived... [21:09:18] it came a bit too close to total disaster though [21:18:47] ve2dmn: In my case sadly, the core overheated first ^^ [21:19:33] Btw I'm still killing mod-by-mod to see what's causing the slowdowns - I already got rid of the ridiculous amounts of error messages in console, but that made no difference... I'm curious what it's gonna be [21:19:37] Well... all the other times it was 'Poof! Poof! poof! It's all gone!' [21:20:14] you would probably need something similar to 'git bissect' [21:20:54] But "It's slow" is the worse problem to debug [21:22:19] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr1y36XbQ4 - Well, someone stole my idea rofl [21:22:19] YouTube - SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System in KSP [21:22:23] Mine went "Fliiiip.... smoke smoke SMOKE fireball short lag BOOM!" [21:24:44] So, a typical Tuesday at the KSC [21:29:15] Kerbal 'Splosion Center, amirite? [21:29:54] "We explode, so you don't have to!" [21:29:59] Heheh :D [21:30:36] Well, since I'm playing with Realism Overhaul and the year is 1954, it might as well be the actual... what was it back then? US Navy Space Department? [21:31:16] The one without von Braun [21:31:51] Space Task Group? [21:32:06] NACA? [21:32:15] I read a book on this but I can't for the life of me remember. [21:33:15] yes NACA [21:33:20] Seeing how the NACA is the "direct predecessor of NASA", it probably was the one *with* von Braun [21:33:23] National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics [21:33:27] ? [21:34:24] yes, NACA was where von Braun went [21:34:27] all 8000 NACA employees became NASA employees when Eisenhower signed NASA [21:37:36] interesting https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Innovative_Interstellar_Explorer_interstellar_space_probe_.jpg/800px-Innovative_Interstellar_Explorer_interstellar_space_probe_.jpg [21:37:59] I'm guessing those are 3 ions being driven by RTG power? [21:38:35] isnt interstellar flight on ion thrusters rather impractical [21:38:38] without a fryby or something [21:39:33] depends on how long your reaction mass can hold out I suppose [21:40:14] even if it's very low thrust, if the RTGs provide enough energy to run them constantly and the reaction mass lasts you could accelerate for quite a while [21:40:43] I'm curious about the circular plate on that design though [21:41:24] that image is on the NASA page but nothing on the page other than its caption mentions it [21:41:26] A "fryby" sounds like something you'd do in KSP [21:41:48] also, why wouldn't they utilize slingshots on their way out? [21:42:05] you get onto a sun grazing orbit using a Jupiter Gravity assist, then dump all your delta-v at Perisol zilti [21:43:07] found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovative_Interstellar_Explorer [21:43:37] also it says "precursor" right in the caption [21:43:48] it's meant to go to interstellar space, but not go to another star [21:43:56] just go out there and get data on the interstellar medium [21:44:02] The namefinding in space stuff got a bit "meh", no? [21:44:27] zilti, I dunno, I think it's kinda.. Innovative. [21:44:31] :P [21:44:33] :P [21:44:47] tbh isnt that going to be horrendously slow accelerating without something like an ASRG? [21:45:08] again.. if you can constantly burn your engines, who cares [21:45:09] I saw a proposal for a Termination Shock mission using a fission frag rocket [21:45:17] but they will never let anyone fly one of those [21:45:27] it's not like they're playing KSP and need to knock the burn out in 3 minutes [21:45:45] if it needs to accelerate for 100days, and has the fuel to do it, that's what they'll do [21:46:49] according to wiki with jupiter assist and ion drive a speed of about 7.9 AU/yr could be achieved by the time it ran out of xenon [21:47:04] that's plenty fast for getting out into interstellar space [21:47:21] still take 25 years or so [21:47:45] but I doubt they'd do any better with a chemical rocket TBH [21:48:25] yeah chem engines are basically out of the question [21:48:35] pity we can't build a space elevator, that is a lot of free delta-V [21:49:44] FltAdmVonSpiz: build a lofstrom loop instead [21:50:22] launch loop doesn't get you anything but orbit, with a space elevator you can take things to the top of the tether (above geosync) and let them go to get potentially silly velocities [21:50:36] like there was a projection with a Jovian assist you can go virtually anywhere int he system with negligible additional delta-V [21:51:07] uh.. maybe if you had a really high altitude space elevator, but that is complete science fiction [21:51:19] there is no material, real or imaginary that could survive that kind of stress [21:51:19] I'm hoping CCTs will come through [21:51:24] but I don't anticipate it working [21:51:28] even flawless nanotubes wouldn't be able to go as high as you're talking [21:51:31] well the peak stress point would be at geosync either way [21:51:38] since stress will start decreasing again above that point [21:51:46] FltAdmVonSpiz: lofstrom loop gets you orbit at 3 Gs, but you can go much faster when you're launching a satelllite off one [21:52:24] once you are above geosync the tether stress starts to drop again as the mass above geosync is taking some of the strain [21:52:54] doesn't matter either way, we'd have to invent a material that basically defies physics to achieve that [21:53:12] hey we are only three orders of magnitude away now at the macro scale, ten years ago we were like five orders [21:53:44] even a flawless braided nanocarbon cable would not be strong enough [21:53:54] flawless could do easily with a reasonable taper factor [21:53:58] not to mention micrometeor impacts would be a constant threat [21:54:06] if you can build a geosync space elevator you can build one I describe [21:54:06] lofstrom loop isn't even a materials science thing, it's just engineering and funding [21:54:11] you just use more cable and less countermass [21:54:20] even if you have a single atom out of place the strength declines drastically [21:54:33] we will not invent a space elevator that works on Earth [21:54:44] http://abstrusegoose.com/576 [21:54:48] problably not in our lifetimes anyway [21:54:51] but I have hope [21:54:52] no, not ever [21:55:17] we're not going to magically engineer perfect cables on an atomic scale that can survive the perils of space [21:56:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/406205661458726936/20180125225553_1.jpg [21:56:34] launch loop much more realistic low cost launch scheme [21:57:05] space elevators will never happen nor be practical on anything larger than an asteroid (and on asteroids not really practical since escape velocity will be tiny anyway) [21:57:13] Fluburtur: what game is that? [21:57:15] kevlar is strong enough for the moon [21:57:22] zilti, stellaris [21:58:16] our current material science is so overkill for the moon you could wrap the whole thing in whipple shields if you wanted [21:58:37] There is a list somewhere of all the "joke" systems in Stellaris [21:58:59] except for the whole issue of space isn't empty [21:59:19] when you are using regular materials, this idea of a microscale ribbon goes out of the window [21:59:33] your kevlar space elevator will get torn up in months or weeks from microimpacts etc [22:00:01] madmerlyn: you'll need a "Doctor Elevator" [22:00:26] and on the moon you don't even NEED a space elevator, just use a maglev train [22:00:33] like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Yellow [22:00:58] remember the materials will be under constant stress from their own weight, so any impact will be hitting a cable that's already stretched and stressed [22:01:00] oren: Galaxy railways? [22:01:12] Imagine how our DNA would look like if there weren't aminoacids constantly repairing it [22:01:12] but the impacts would never strike the structural member [22:01:25] it might survive a few impacts [22:01:30] but over time it will break [22:02:29] https://i.gyazo.com/07f14c5b6467c05c0346b47a96c08489.jpg - Needed to rebuild the airship because the other one was not built with symmetry on, oops [22:02:31] besides, why would a kevlar elevator be preferred to just building a smaller launch loop on the lunar surface? [22:02:47] madmerlyn: on the mmon you don't need any kind of loop [22:02:54] madmerlyn: I want my spacetrain :D [22:03:04] lol ok so a launch ramp then :P [22:03:08] jst a regular maglev train track [22:03:26] the moon is pretty flat [22:03:30] because an elevator is rather more tolerant of short term failures and has an orders of magnitude greater cargo capacity [22:03:37] and doesnt subject passengers to significant g-loads [22:03:51] orders of magnitude greater cargo capacity.. on kevlar rope? doubt it. [22:03:56] lol [22:04:26] g-loads are based on acceleration, with maglev you can control acceleration [22:04:52] and cargo doesn't usually mind having g loads [22:05:02] to a point anyway [22:05:33] how do you land something with a launch loop? [22:05:37] is that even possible [22:05:45] FltAdmVonSpiz: orbit close to it and latch on [22:05:58] to a car that is matching speeds with you [22:06:14] same as orbital renzezvous-docking [22:06:29] except it has to be complete before you run out of track? [22:06:48] right but if it doesn't, you fly off and try again next orbit [22:07:17] or you could use old fashioned propulsive landing since you have a cheap way of putting fuel in orbit [22:07:48]