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[01:52:59] <bumblefuzz> so, I'm trying to install realism overhaul
[01:53:04] <bumblefuzz> and I can't find it in CKAN
[01:53:53] <bumblefuzz> any ideas?
[01:54:20] <umaxtu> https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki/Installation
[01:54:24] <bumblefuzz> apparently my version is 1.10.0.2917
[01:54:38] <umaxtu> that will do it
[01:54:45] <bumblefuzz> and the version it's for is 12.8.1
[01:54:54] <bumblefuzz> so the version doesn't matter?
[01:55:08] <bumblefuzz> my game is fully updated...why does it say there's a higher version
[01:55:29] <umaxtu> do you mean 1.8.1?
[01:55:47] <bumblefuzz> so, I found RO in CKAN but it wasn't in the compatible list
[01:56:00] <bumblefuzz> ahhh 
[01:56:06] <bumblefuzz> max version 1.8.9
[01:56:07] <umaxtu> you're going to need a 1.8.1 install
[01:56:12] <bumblefuzz> how do I downgrade?
[01:56:20] <umaxtu> steam version?
[01:56:26] <bumblefuzz> yeah
[01:56:30] <bumblefuzz> can I pick?
[01:56:31] <bumblefuzz> .
[01:57:13] <bumblefuzz> ok I found it
[01:57:25] <Alanonzander> you can copy the Kerbal game dir out of steam, and place it somewwhere else so when steam updated teh game it doesn't overwrite your copy
[01:57:40] <bumblefuzz> it's a fresh install anyway
[01:57:45] <Alanonzander> :)
[01:57:50] <bumblefuzz> appreciate the help
[01:57:55] <Alanonzander> that way if it upgrades, it won't batter
[01:57:58] <Alanonzander> *matter
[01:58:45] <bumblefuzz> do I only do RO or are there other good mods to make everything look pretty
[01:58:53] <bumblefuzz> just got a new graphics card and want to take it out for a spin
[01:59:09] <umaxtu> look at the guide I linked
[02:00:38] <bumblefuzz> what's RP1?
[02:01:27] <umaxtu> realistic progression mod
[02:02:02] <bumblefuzz> what if I just want to fly apollo to the moon and back?
[02:02:47] <bumblefuzz> also, what grade GPU do you need for 16k textures?
[02:04:42] <raptop> This is RO with Principia, right? >_>;;
[02:04:52] <bumblefuzz> ?
[02:05:08] <raptop> Principia is the mod that adds full n-body gravity
[02:05:15] <bumblefuzz> oh
[02:05:19] <umaxtu> principia is optional
[02:05:19] <bumblefuzz> I don't know
[02:05:19] <raptop> Including things like lunar masscons
[02:05:26] <bumblefuzz> is that better?
[02:05:29] <bumblefuzz> or harder?
[02:05:41] <bumblefuzz> masscon
[02:05:49] <raptop> More realistic, and arguably harder
[02:05:52] <JVFoxy> it adds a few levels to things
[02:05:58] <bumblefuzz> I just want the game to be beautiful and also fly apollo to the moon\
[02:06:26] <bumblefuzz> what are the system requirements for 16k textures?
[02:06:37] <bumblefuzz> 1080Ti?
[02:06:45] <bumblefuzz> would that handle it?
[02:07:13] <bumblefuzz> these textures are huge for only 0.5 Mbps download speed from github
[02:07:33] <raptop> Note that these sorts of mods have rather limited testing, so you'll have to make a best guess on the system requirements
[02:07:50] <bumblefuzz> I'll start with 8k and download 16k in the background
[02:07:58] <bumblefuzz> half a meg is so slow
[02:17:51] <bumblefuzz> I wish scott manley would do an updated RO guide for 2020
[02:18:02] <bumblefuzz> with all the best mods listed
[02:21:53] <umaxtu> that guide I linked is a pretty good starting point
[02:22:11] <umaxtu> just those mods make the game take its own sweet time to load
[02:38:12] <bumblefuzz> so the saturn 5 isn't a daved configuration? I have to build the entire thing?
[02:38:17] <bumblefuzz> saved*
[02:38:39] <umaxtu> install real-scale boosters
[02:38:51] <bumblefuzz> boosters?
[02:38:53] <umaxtu> pretty sure that comes with a prebuilt one
[02:38:53] <bumblefuzz> for apollo?
[02:39:00] <umaxtu> yeah
[02:39:11] <bumblefuzz> now I have to close the game
[02:39:15] <bumblefuzz> it just loaded :(
[02:40:40] <bumblefuzz> also, why do I have multiple identical apollo parts
[02:40:40] <bumblefuzz> ?
[02:40:48] <umaxtu> multiple mods
[02:41:04] <bumblefuzz> so, this is coordinated between mods?
[02:41:15] <bumblefuzz> ...even though it's a package?
[02:41:47] <umaxtu> yeah
[02:41:54] <bumblefuzz> I don't see any apollo fuel tanks
[02:42:01] <bumblefuzz> I ahve no idea how to build with these parts
[02:42:07] <umaxtu> you installed RSB already?
[02:42:29] <bumblefuzz> no
[02:42:32] <bumblefuzz> I don't wanna close the game
[02:42:36] <umaxtu> ah
[02:42:38] <bumblefuzz> cause it took so long to load
[02:42:48] <bumblefuzz> fine
[02:42:49] <bumblefuzz> sigh
[02:43:02] <bumblefuzz> 32500 mods
[02:46:19] <bumblefuzz> also, where can I find info on the gravity turn used by apollo
[02:46:31] <bumblefuzz> I need to get the trajectory realtively close
[02:46:44] <umaxtu> I haven't gotten that far
[02:48:59] <bumblefuzz> I can't click on the VAB
[02:49:23] <bumblefuzz> I can right click and rotate the camera
[02:49:32] <bumblefuzz> but I can't do anything else
[02:53:07] <umaxtu> sometimes that happens. restart the game
[02:53:49] <bumblefuzz> how do I downlaod a folder from github
[02:54:00] <bumblefuzz> the guide says to delte FAR and reinstall from github
[02:54:13] <bumblefuzz> I found the folder on github but clicking on it doesn't download anything
[02:56:52] <umaxtu> go here. https://github.com/dkavolis/Ferram-Aerospace-Research/tree/dev
[02:56:59] <umaxtu> click the green button that says "Code"
[02:57:08] <umaxtu> then click "Download Zip"
[02:58:19] <umaxtu> not sure what downloading that will actually accomplish though, since it hasn't been compiled
[02:58:37] <raptop> git clone?
[02:59:42] <umaxtu> oh ok, its the FerramAerospaceResearch inside GameData
[03:00:28] <bumblefuzz> let's try again
[03:01:19] <umaxtu> raptop, that would definitely work, I just didn't want to have to walk them through installing git
[03:04:07] <bumblefuzz> ok, now I have 6 different versions of saved satrun fives... how do I pick?
[03:04:22] <bumblefuzz> nevermind
[03:04:56] <bumblefuzz> ok, I tried loading it and it says it's missing parts
[03:05:06] <bumblefuzz> RSBengineJ2
[03:05:12] <bumblefuzz> RSBengindF1
[03:05:19] <bumblefuzz> TweakScale
[03:05:22] <bumblefuzz> MechjebCore
[03:06:39] <bumblefuzz> yeah it won't load without them
[03:07:15] <bumblefuzz> apparently there are 2 tweak scales
[03:07:19] <bumblefuzz> I don't know how to choose
[03:08:23] <bumblefuzz> how can RSBengineJ2 be missing if I have RSB installed?
[03:11:24] <umaxtu> I have TweakScale - Rescale Everything! installed
[03:16:40] <raptop> umaxtu: sudo apt install git? (Or I suppose yum or pacman depending on what your preferred distro is) ;)
[03:16:56] <umaxtu> assuming they are running Linux
[03:17:16] <raptop> hence the wink -- your objection is reasonable and I
[03:17:19] <raptop> 'm being silly
[03:17:24] <raptop> (and can't type)
[03:17:26] <umaxtu> ah
[03:19:06] <raptop> Although, yeah, I'm not entirely clear why source files (rather than binaries) are needed
[03:19:37] <umaxtu> upon further examination it does look like there is a build in that repo. its just not labeled well
[03:20:18] <raptop> oh
[03:23:34] <umaxtu> just tried to test it in my rp-1 setup and I'm also missing that j2 part
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[09:31:15] <flayer> three rockets to mars at every transfer window is my minimum level of satisfaction
[09:31:48] <Althego> what, there is a stainless steel skin for the fairings
[09:31:58] <Althego> i always wanted shiny metal in ksp
[13:47:02] <JVFoxy> wee..?
[13:47:15] <JVFoxy> so. any kerbal'ish weekend plans?
[13:54:53] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c1Y65D5vyI
[13:55:00] <Althego> HU
[13:55:00] <Althego> Live: Starship SN5 Static Fire Test From Boca Chica, Texas
[14:06:49] <JVFoxy> huh.. they just showed weather radar of storm near by?
[14:21:17] <JVFoxy> and scrub
[14:29:25] <packbart> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5GuO6s2vj0
[14:29:31] <packbart> 2 hours to go
[14:35:00] <JVFoxy> does this mean we in the rocket age now..?
[14:35:07] <JVFoxy> so many launches it seems these days
[14:35:50] <packbart> this one is rather small. "Momo is a Japanese sounding rocket capable of delivering 20 kg to a height of 100 km."
[14:36:21] <packbart> Ethanol + Oxygen https://spacelaunchnow.me/vehicle/launch_vehicle/198/
[14:36:31] <packbart> large model rocket
[14:50:15] <JVFoxy> suborbital I take it?
[14:53:08] <packbart> I guess so. I just came about the YT link, don't know anything about the rocket ;)
[14:59:14] <JVFoxy> sounding rocket, doesn't mention orbital..
[14:59:46] <JVFoxy> used to launch sounding rockets up in Churchill, northern lights research
[15:00:18] <JVFoxy> had been talk about turning it into a spaceport, not sure what came of things though
[15:00:39] <packbart> second scrub of the static fire test, it seems
[15:12:28] <bumblefuzz> So, I'm trying to do realism overhaul and simply fly a saturn 5 to the moon. I've installed everything but there are no saved craft files that have a saturn 5 that isn't missing parts.
[15:12:35] <bumblefuzz> Does anyone know how to do this?
[15:16:04] <packbart> have you checked the logs? parts could be missing because of incompatible textures
[15:35:35] <JVFoxy> eh.. and in other news.. just came across this gem.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjurSWm8O4
[15:41:04] <JVFoxy> though he never finished the project. Oh well..
[15:48:23] <flayer> how can i modify the science values per planet/biome? i want more science on kerbin, less on remote bodies
[15:52:23] <JVFoxy> how much more? I ran a science car (crew report, eva report, pressure, temp, goo, sci jr.) around KSC, out to grasslands, and on water, just past shores biome. Got just shy of 400 points.
[15:52:44] <flayer> how about just less science from remote bodies?
[15:53:34] <flayer> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Science#Celestial_body_multipliers
[15:53:40] <flayer> I basically want to remove these
[15:53:48] <flayer> no more multipliers
[15:54:01] <JVFoxy> so flat figures across the board?
[15:54:14] <flayer> yeah
[15:54:31] <JVFoxy> maybe config file?
[15:54:40] <flayer> i've been looking
[15:55:01] <JVFoxy> beyond that.. I wouldn't know. my other system isn't up right now and thinking of dropping out for a bit
[15:59:22] <flayer> https://www.curseforge.com/kerbal/ksp-mods/celestial-body-science-multiplier-editor
[15:59:28] <flayer> I guess this will do
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[16:47:30] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cibwHSTzRXw
[16:47:34] <Althego> lol this is ksp
[16:47:43] <Althego> i thought it was a bit weak cgi
[16:56:03] <Mat2ch> "Any politics-related comment will be removed." sounds like someone is in fear :P
[17:13:46] <packbart> well, it's KSP
[17:44:52] <Alanonzander> you mean I can't advocate for  Bill Kerman for Prime Minister ?
[17:45:36] <Alanonzander> or is that  Dictator
[18:00:04] <raptop> General Secretary
[18:00:13] <raptop> Obviously
[18:00:21] <Alanonzander> Ahhhh, ok
[18:00:39] <Althego> hehe
[18:17:07] <packbart> Alanonzander: technically, that might fall under the "no roleplaying" rule :)
[18:17:44] <Alanonzander> ahhhh :/
[18:18:17] <packbart> I guess nobody would complain, though
[18:45:16] <darsie> Shall we exclude Wernher Kerman from the elections? Is he (still) a Nazi?
[18:57:34] <packbart> ah, that reminds me to continue listening to "Terminal World". the sidekick just realized that the protagonist is an "angel"
[19:04:25] <Althego> hehe, external fuel tank. i put a tank on top of the plane with a decoupler
[19:04:36] <Althego> somehow works
[19:08:19] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEO77UEFGT4
[19:09:52] <Althego> and there is scott too
[19:09:59] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9YN50xXFJY
[19:22:54] <Althego> heh i really need the turbojets
[19:23:09] <Althego> but still 100k needed for the rnd upgrade
[20:06:57] <darsie> How bad is timing out on a rescue Kerbal from LKO orbit? I need a scientist for a long mission.
[20:07:45] <Althego> why not recover first?
[20:08:08] <darsie> She's coming back, anyways, just later.
[20:08:29] <raptop> No rest for the kerbal
[20:08:34] <Althego> hehe
[20:08:39] <darsie> I have the rocket in orbit already. I could revert, though.
[20:09:38] <packbart> it just "fails" the contract, I would guess. so a bit of funds and reputation penalty
[20:10:30] <darsie> I don't care about money.
[20:10:31] <darsie> :)
[20:11:13] <darsie> -9 rep
[20:15:29] <packbart> live now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5GuO6s2vj0&feature=youtu.be
[20:15:43] <packbart> T-5min
[20:19:38] <Althego> the timer disappeared
[20:19:56] <packbart> yeah. maybe someone nicked all the alcohol ;)
[20:22:07] <darsie> Also, for just a rescue mission, the Kerbal would have to jetpack deorbit, and land hard on grass or water if she didn't bring a chute.
[20:23:52] <packbart> ah, well, that was not very exciting
[20:24:07] <packbart> launch that dart! :)
[20:28:52] <Althego> not today
[20:29:01] <Althego> good because i need to sleep
[20:37:54] <packbart> better view, fwiw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRzMKxS9m8s
[21:55:10] Action: flayer tackles packbart