[00:27:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:28:00] Evening, Gentlemen. [00:30:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:32:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:59:49] check out the range on the military's "new" GPS jammer, it can cover the entire state of california. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/07/us_military_testing_gps_jamming/ [06:00:51] why do they need to jam it? they could just turn off the civilian part [06:01:48] they could have been testing some anti-jam device with a crazy overpowered jammer [06:02:16] oh wow, you can block radio signals! incredible! [06:02:48] for the entire state of california? [06:02:59] transmitting from one location? [06:03:29] Weird, I have a "57-in-one" memory card reader, yet the thing has 5 slots on it (CF, SD, xD, Memorystick, and TransFlash/MicroSD) [06:03:54] also you can't block radio signals, unless you deploy chaff over the entire area... you can override radio but not effectively block the signal [06:04:49] based on the frquency of gps signals and the range given in the map, calculate the altitude of the antenna [06:05:11] "block" is not the correct word here, right [06:05:12] probably airborne [06:05:13] (above sea level on a smooth spherical earth) [06:05:29] you can block signals, by enough metal [06:05:43] I don't think it's feasible to deploy chaff over the entire state [06:05:46] but it is rather hard to put a farady cage that big over an area [06:05:51] especially unnoticed :) [06:06:20] that jammer might even have to be in space when you consider the sierra nevada mountains are right by China Lake NWS [06:07:05] well it's definitely not chaff [06:07:45] plus do they block GPS or all of the other satellite navigation? i guess the latter [06:08:37] good question [06:08:59] if its gps-only it's probably an on/off switch on the gps satellite transmitter [06:09:58] although I don't think they'd use that considering the russians have their own gps constellation, it would be pretty stupid for the russians to rely on american gps signals for military hardware [06:11:49] civilian stuff usually has support for both [06:12:32] well, if i remember correctly, newer iphones support GLONASS [06:12:48] I remember samsungs got support for glonass pretty early on [06:13:39] there are 3 other navigation systems working or almost working now, and most new civilian receivers support all [06:14:51] on the topic of gps, I wonder how secure the military's encrypted GPS /really/ is. it seems as though you could compromise the entire system by stealing one receiver... [06:14:53] for the jamming to work it just needs to be winde band enough to cover all [06:15:39] if you get the receiver intact. however procedures of a landing in enemy area would wipe out all encryption keys [06:16:05] including gps, iff, and voice/data comm [06:17:19] I guess it depends how common those receivers are in the first place. If they're just used on something like battleships and high tech aircraft, they might have a chance. [06:17:42] if they are in humvees I'm sure it's already compromised [06:18:43] it is just one button usually [06:18:53] that may even work without power [06:19:06] Neal, i think wikipedia article says that military one was reverse engineered in like 80s [06:19:07] for some reason they call it zeroize [06:19:42] you should see the effort put into cracking satellite TV smart cards, some guy was using an electron microscope to read the individual bits off of the eeprom [06:19:54] hehe [06:21:02] Althego, suppose whoever was responsible for that got incapacitated? or was a spy? [06:22:37] apparently the new smart cards have super tiny traces running though the epoxy encapsulation where if you touch one it will detect tampering and erase the keys [06:23:38] hehe [06:25:01] keys have a lifetime, after that they are changed anyway [06:25:13] for a while they weren't [06:25:57] iirc the lifetime is <1year now [06:26:13] I found a link to the blackhat conference where the guy went over it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62DGIUpscnY [06:26:14] YouTube - Black Hat DC 2010 - Hacking the Smartcard Chip [07:13:29] https://i.imgur.com/d0WY69k.jpg [08:09:27] V-chips [10:28:58] I guess it depends how common those receivers are in the first place. If they're just used on something like battleships and high tech aircraft, they might have a chance. <-- i imagine you want to have those in drones and missiles. for humvees it's probably enough to use the regular gps, unless you want to jam that in the area [10:30:12] but in general, if you design a "secure" thing, you need to assume that everything except the encryption keys are known to everyone else [10:30:40] so nothing in the receiver should be vital to the system staying "secure" [14:11:49] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:38:45] Good morning [14:39:23] Which one among you speaks german? [14:41:09] I speak swampgerman [14:41:22] what's up? [14:45:55] gimme a sec [14:45:59] https://i.imgur.com/opYA8dy.jpg [14:46:12] Can you identify the city this might be in? [14:46:46] No indications of that [14:47:22] There: https://frittenwerk.com/ [14:48:03] ve2dmn: Are you visiting Germany, or why? [14:51:37] And I must admit, their page is pretty well made compared to the average restaurant. Despite them being a fast food place. [14:52:00] poutine.. the most uselessest of national foods :-) [15:00:40] it's not my pic, and not I'm not going to Germany... I don't have that kind of money...yet [15:02:11] I've always liked trips to Germany, well recommended. [15:03:58] Action: APlayer orders a shipping of beer to Canada [15:11:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Technicalfool' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:16:19] ve2dmn: I speak German. [15:16:50] I got my answers, but thank you [15:22:11] now I have to find out if there's a Frittenwerk nearby :P [15:22:32] ... my work here is done [15:23:10] there really is one [15:23:53] oh, wow, it's one of those gentrification stores. :D [15:24:15] The street it's in is the former red light district :D [15:25:18] but prices seem to be ok [15:26:08] They don't have the proper cheese, but I guess you can't get sqeeky cheese everywhere [15:29:12] squeeky cheese is the best cheese :D [15:29:27] we call it "grill chese" here and throw it on the grill ;) [15:29:40] I love that stuff. The more squeek, the better [15:30:38] You must be talking about the finnish stuff.... which makes the exact same sound :D [15:30:57] we call it breadcheese, squeaks in the teeth [15:31:08] yes ! [15:31:12] great with cloudberry jam [15:31:23] people usually think I,m nuts! [15:31:44] well you might be ;) [15:33:13] well... I'm not 100% it's the same type of cheese... the ones we got have to be eaten fresh, like... within 24h [15:33:50] Which makes it impossible to export... and explains why it took that dish so long to get anywhere [15:34:06] I don't think it is the same then, the finnish stuff is cooked brown on the surface a bit like pancakes [15:34:31] but I'm not talking about brown cooked stuff [15:34:36] what I have in mind is pretty white [15:34:56] I'm just happy someone doesn't think I'm crazy when I talk about cheese that squeeks [15:35:09] ITSBESTCHEESE [15:35:17] ITISREALLY [15:35:58] http://www.oumangerdelapoutine.fr/sites/default/files/images/fromage-grain.jpg [15:37:11] Halloumi? [15:42:23] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:44:19] Halloumi is the best [15:46:35] halloumi is tasteless.. you need something with it [15:48:40] it has to squeek. That's it. :D [15:54:31] try some leipäjuusto [15:54:46] great source of protein [15:57:24] i think everyone who likes raw cheese is crazy [15:57:28] now I need to try Lakka [16:04:45] yes you do [16:30:39] Uh-oh, the Canadians are rising [16:33:52] could be worse :) [16:35:03] yeah, like they could be destroying the planet by extracting oil sands... oh wait [16:35:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:38:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:15:07] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:15:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:16:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:16:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddgvrO21jKQ - Found this thing at a thrift store for 5 bucks. seems to work as well as I need it to... [17:47:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:09:39] Fluburtur: https://i.imgur.com/AnK3rxF.jpg [19:09:53] also I went to the air show yesterday:D [19:09:59] nice [19:30:10] Collings Foundation is flying in to our local airport on Saturday [19:30:23] always a treat [20:19:11] Rokker: "Baguette intensifies" [20:20:02] baguette https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/460140609592885268/20180623181604_1.jpghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/460140609592885268/20180623181604_1.jpg [20:20:09] huh [20:20:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/460140609592885268/20180623181604_1.jpg [20:23:13] cancerplane [20:23:22] glorious [20:23:25] Fluburtur: it took them way too long to add mirroring [20:23:32] yeah [20:24:12] Twin baguette plen [20:25:18] this one is a good zooming plane but the accel and top speed are kinda bad [20:25:25] but it can hold speed for a while after a dive [20:27:13] Premium though [20:27:21] Pay2Baguette [20:32:52] hey guys [20:33:16] Can I ask a question regarding CKAN? [20:33:39] You may try to. Not sure if you can, though [20:33:42] I [20:34:00] You may try again. ;-) [20:34:30] I'm just trying to figure out what the dash ("-") under the "Installed" column indicates? [20:35:24] Humm, I'm afraid I can't help you here, but if you're patient, someone else might show up and know the answer. [20:37:05] okay, thanks anyway [20:44:18] Anyway guys. I'm off for today. See you! [20:44:38] as APlayer departs, I'll take over his role of .. whatever he does. [20:44:47] please refer to me as BPlayer. [20:45:24] Action: APlayer Yarthus [20:45:34] Woops, that was supposed to be a nich change [20:45:40] nick change* [20:46:04] That's my pirate nick. [20:46:22] Anyway, on second thought, I'd better not impersonate EsperNet staff ;-) [20:46:35] Why not? I can't think of anything wrong with that. [20:47:56] I mean, as long as I have triple redundancy (BPlayer, CPlayer) and contingency plans (Ban evasion, ...), I should be fine by aerospace standards [20:51:47] Action: APlayer initiates departure procedure and licenses registered trademark "BPlayer" to Zarthus for the time of his absence [20:52:01] o/ [20:52:02] Nice. [20:52:05] See you 'round. [21:19:04] i don't know why, but this somehow reminds me of the 5th element https://i.redd.it/ot42iqr8a6o01.jpg [21:19:32] wtf is that [21:19:44] the one in the 5th element was better [21:20:00] then mayèbe that idiot would press the red button [21:21:20] my source said something about "anti-drone gun + macron" [21:24:04] yeah idiotic stuff then [21:25:40] who knows what you're actually building, they must be capable of taking it down :p [21:26:04] I highly doubt that [21:26:29] if I wanted to screw with them just to humiliate them, they wouldn't be able to stop me [21:26:43] then they either take me down or hire me [21:27:04] I guess an UAV that uses optical nav as a failsafe for GPS and radio link losee would be hard to take down [21:27:17] other than a very hard EMP to fry the electronics [21:37:52] that is indeed an anti drone device. [21:37:55] also: https://i.imgur.com/p0IMr4y.png [21:39:56] it is called 'dronegun tactical' and is produced by droneshield [21:41:24] Fluburtur: as long as the failsafe is to continue on a predetermined path, a modern (legal) drone gun is probably useless. most drone guns afaik only blocks specific radio frequencies and is normally used to make commercial drones simply loose user control and land. [21:41:47] if your UAV does not require radio contact it should be good. [21:41:50] you want to jam 2.4ghz and whatever the gps uses [21:42:05] that thing does that. [21:42:07] and glonass. [21:42:24] they say that it works for over a kilometer. [21:42:32] and i doubt it. [21:42:33] very focused beam then [21:43:14] well, a company working with security with such a narrow product range is probably either a scam or extremely good. [21:43:17] https://www.droneshield.com/dronegun-tactical [21:43:45] or use crap that works on other frequencies like 434 or 868mhz [21:43:59] uh it does 433 [21:44:14] so I guess 868mhz and optical nav [21:44:29] optical nav would be tricky but it only needs to work for a shor distance until it can get gps again [21:44:37] oh noes! they can block my wireless light switches at home! [22:04:32] Does anyone know if the ol' toothpaste + CD trick definitivelty works? I've done it before but I don't really know if it works or not.\ [22:04:49] NEver worked well for me [22:05:59] I always use window cleaner designed for windshields [22:06:10] not general use cleaner [22:08:02] do GPS and GLONASS actually use different frequency bands? [22:41:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:41:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net