[00:06:16] torus earth makes game maps easier. When you walk over one end, just wrap around to the other. [00:08:40] ;choose sphere|donut [00:08:41] UmbralRaptor: donut [00:25:58] To anyone out there who cares about the future of KSP. [00:26:05] I kindly request you look at this. https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/171236-updated-terms-notice-privacy-policy-discussion [00:27:01] I am not trying to make anyone upset and I do not personally agree with all that has been said in this thread. [00:27:45] However, I want people to be aware. Awareness is the only way to solve anything. [00:28:03] That is all. /endneutralspeech [00:38:08] 'I have read and agree to the terms': The biggest lie ever [00:38:40] yeah lol i almost never 'read and agree to the terms' [00:39:00] b/c it's all stuff i trust, you know, notepad++, freeciv, crap like that [00:39:44] but now i'm freaking out about if Google is lying to me about their privacy policy and how popular i am on the dark web [00:40:54] I'm more afraid of Facebook [00:41:13] thank goodness I never signed up for that [00:41:23] They still have a profile on you [00:41:36] ...MOM DID YOU [00:42:06] (sorry accidentally hit enter) SIGN ME UP FOR FACEBOOK WITHOUT MY CONSENT [00:42:43] People you know post pictures with you in it on facebook. Based on that Facebook knows a lot about you even though you never signed up [00:43:34] They have a social graph... you are in it wheter you singed up or not [00:44:37] It's even worse if you signed up: Every time your browser goes to a page with a facebook like button in ti, it sends your cookie asking if you liked that page... [00:44:51] thus they know where everyone has ever been [00:45:06] All that, just to sell ads [00:47:29] SPOILER! I landed *on* a very cool anomaly on the Mun: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot198.png [00:48:17] Aww... i was expecting you to have landed on a very kerbal sports car with equipped rear wing. [00:48:31] Without looking, I know which one it is... [00:48:43] rear wing? :) [00:49:01] ve2dmn: You can pm it and I'll confirm. [00:49:50] Action: ve2dmn looks at picture. [00:49:57] Yes, it's the coolest spoiler [00:52:25] I deorbited (with adjustments from previous failed landings) and when I got close I adjusted more and landed on it. Not hopped from the ground on it. [00:53:48] Landing is easy. Landing a second time is hard. [00:54:58] Yeah, I was lucky. I mean, landing isn't that hard, but landing on it is, I guess. [02:29:29] https://imgur.com/gallery/a71YW [04:09:58] Supernovy: check pms [04:10:11] Don't worry, they're checked. [04:19:51] Supernovy: did I tell you about the gun show I went to last month [04:19:59] no. [04:20:04] some of the collections on display were amazing [04:20:26] someone had a Webley Fosbery Automatic [04:20:36] (for like 13 grand) [04:23:21] Supernovy: they had somewhere on the order of like 500 garands at the show [04:27:10] Supernovy: also they had a Mac-10 and an American-180, both full auto [05:23:25] https://i.gyazo.com/6b9ce8ab43722cabd4cc596081c0647d.png - The good days....can relive them with Dosbox...hehe [05:45:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:14:43] so I'm working with arcs that have a length, angle and radius, but I'm only storing the length and radius [07:15:24] but since the angle could have a sign I thought I'd just internally put that sign on the radius [07:15:41] don't do black magic, kids [07:56:22] GlassYuri: would be better on the length, no? [07:56:45] potentially [07:58:10] isn't the length redundant? [07:58:26] (length = angle*radius (if angle is in radians) [08:01:03] taniwha: well length and angle both dictate the same thing, can ditch either one [08:01:23] yeah, but at least negative angle makes sense [08:01:29] negative length only sort of does [08:02:44] taniwha: think of it as a 1d vector in circular space rather than a magnitude and negative suddenly makes perfect sense :P [08:02:55] thus "sort of" [08:03:13] but trust me, negative lengths (or radii) will mess with your head [08:04:52] taniwha, if I ditch length I cannot represent straight lines [08:06:22] can't with radius, either (since r = inf) [08:07:49] I actually went with r = 0 for straight lines, but I might actually change it to inf [08:08:27] instead of r, might be better with c (curvature = 1/r) [08:08:30] 0 = straight, inf = point [08:09:11] mathematically yes, floatingpointically, just adds a slight amount of precision loss [10:46:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+ooov Distractedman979 UmbralRaptor purpletarget_zzz erio' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:46:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o tfsleep ' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:46:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o NBones ' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:46:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vov RyanKnack DuoDex nasonfish' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:46:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vvv Hikaru phroa mr_flea' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:55:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+ooov Distractedman979 UmbralRaptor purpletarget_zzz erio' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:55:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o tfsleep ' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:55:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vvvv mr_flea phroa Hikaru nasonfish' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:55:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+ov DuoDex RyanKnack ' by catastrophe.esper.net [10:55:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o NBones ' by catastrophe.esper.net [11:08:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vov nasonfish DuoDex RyanKnack' by catastrophe.esper.net [11:46:58] hi [14:41:27] Good morning [15:20:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/417545959569096705/Screenshot_20180225-225753.jpg [15:32:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:34:44] Pakaran: o/ [15:46:25] Hi there! [15:46:37] low here! [15:46:54] Are you talking about the temperature? [15:47:04] sadly, no [15:47:29] Because we have -10 to -15 °C [15:47:42] Which is pretty extreme weather for this place of the world [15:47:57] in* the world [15:48:30] APlayer: that is the low nightly average here for feb [15:48:48] (exact value being -11,4°C ) [15:48:56] something like that here too [15:49:15] but it's gonna be above freezing for most of the week... [15:49:20] this would be normal for the winter, but no more than few days like this each winter in the last decade [15:49:37] ...which, while it is welcomed, is a tiny bit unusual [15:49:39] I think we have about 18 deg inside, currently [15:49:47] might affect the production of Maple thingys [15:50:00] good, i dont consume them [15:50:19] I do. and I'm sad [15:50:37] same for alcohol, tobacoo and firearms :) [15:50:58] i wouldnt notice anything if they were not produced [15:51:01] But I can currently see the moon right from my desk out of the window, so that's some comfort for my frozen feelings :P [15:51:23] let it go [15:51:33] http://taniwha.org/~bill/path877.png [15:51:55] taniwha: made using...?? [15:51:56] https://www.shadertoy.com/view/4sfGWX [15:52:06] Not for long anymore, though. I already need to duck slightly to see it, and it'll probably disappear in half an hour or so [15:52:13] ve2dmn: inkscape [15:52:22] nice [15:52:32] path->trace bitmap, edge detection, threshold down at 0.1 [15:53:16] I knew what it was, but the technique escaped me [15:54:35] ugh, I have the feeling someone just placed my feet in a cooler. Where is this cold air flow coming from?! [15:55:12] superman breathing heavy under your desk [15:55:36] that's how it feels like [15:55:51] I wonder when we'll see spring this year [15:55:57] this is why you use insolation [15:56:25] insulation [15:56:38] It keeps the cold out in the winter, and the hot air out in the summer [15:56:50] taniwha: sorry. It's 'Isolation' in french [15:56:54] insolation is how much heat you get from the sun [15:56:55] this house was built in 2010 and has insulation all around it [15:57:08] ve2dmn: ah, fun [15:57:18] Mat2ch: aircon? [15:57:23] hehe inSOLation [15:57:31] insolence? [15:57:32] taniwha: the joy of speaking several languages is that you always get everything wrong [15:57:39] yeah [15:57:57] still I get cold feet in it. I wonder what my neighbour below is doing. Airing out all day? [15:58:10] ve2dmn: it gets even weirder when you know 5 variants of English [15:58:22] getting cold feet... isnt that an idiom of being scared? [15:58:29] ("now, where did I get /that/ word from?!?") [15:58:32] taniwha: I wish I had one. In summer it still get's up to 30° C in here... [15:58:53] Althego: this time it's meant literally. :P [15:59:08] taniwha: same. And false friends being my worse enemy [15:59:21] Mat2ch: suggested because my aircon likes to blow cold air on me when it's supposed to be heating :/ [15:59:27] (then it blows hot air) [15:59:50] I know that feeling from my car. [16:00:09] Heat pumps are popular here [16:00:32] It's a cold, but rainy day, I turn up the heat and the AC starts running to dehumidify the air and it's getting pretty chilly instead of warm [16:01:18] Well, I get my heat from a waste-fueled power plant [16:01:32] it's cold here too [16:01:34] and windy [16:01:39] can't fly my hel [16:01:45] heli* [16:01:53] That's just the social mood you're feeling ;P [16:02:57] We get up to -25C in the winter and up to 30C in the summer... [16:03:15] so Heat pump helps in both cases [16:03:21] (well... mostly) [16:03:50] But what happens if the temperature drops below -30° C? [16:04:06] Frozen pump [16:05:01] That sounds bad [16:05:27] apropos heat pumps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgkl7W9xU0 [16:05:27] YouTube - Star Heat Pumps | Fully Charged [16:05:38] Heat pumps, but a bit bigger... [16:11:57] Alright, bye moon. It was nice to look at you [16:16:04] the moon does not consent to more watching by you :) [16:20:17] heat pump do not work well below -15C [16:20:37] local, french word for those heat pump is 'Thermopump' [16:21:11] (written as 'Thermopompe') [16:22:09] i just bribe the spirits of winter around the house with pizza and the house remains warm :) [16:22:47] Pizza not powerful enough for -20C [16:23:04] (was dresden files reference) [16:23:51] dresden is quite friendly with all the supernatural entities around chicago, more or less bribing them with pizza [16:24:24] His chicago pizza must be quite good [16:25:23] so I'm considering going to polar Mun orbit and back, without nodes, to farm science. [16:25:49] quite easy [16:25:58] that is actually one of my first missiosn in every career [16:26:10] Why polar? [16:26:11] you may well have been the one that suggested it to me :) [16:26:17] polar to collect more biome data [16:26:21] because it will allow... yeah [16:26:38] it doesn't have to be exactly polar [16:26:40] note that you have to wait for the mun to rotate under you, means several days [16:26:52] but in my modded install, there's several large maria each their own biome [16:26:52] you just need to hit mun soi [16:27:02] I think you miss 1 or 2 biome by not going polar... then again, I was limited by life-Support [16:27:20] that is doable by burning when the mun rises while on lko, and burn until your orbit crosses the orbit of the mun [16:27:47] once you are in mun soi, just burn sideways to get a polar flyby, and circularize there [16:27:51] that is a worry. I currently have veterans set as immune but not sure if I'm sticking with that. In any case, I'm using USI, so there's a 15 day grace period. [16:28:12] Pakaran: you are probably fine with Vets [16:28:42] yeah, this won't be a super lengthy mission (by the standards of what I have planned). [16:28:48] With USI-LS, I would set it to 'be gentle' the first few times you use it... [16:29:09] nod, I went with the recommendation for newbies in the docs. [16:29:14] ...because the Kraken (or any other unforseen problems) could ruin you carefully planned mission [16:29:32] I've toyed with the idea of a life support testing facility in the desert of Kerbin somewhere. [16:29:47] ... lol. That's a fantastic idea [16:30:14] does something like that exists on earth? [16:30:21] severals [16:30:30] there were the faield biosphere things [16:30:37] but that is something more [16:30:41] and a few trials for Mars. [16:30:50] there is an underwater training for astronauts. [16:30:51] for testing life support you just need to close people off in a chamber [16:30:52] but there it was more about the astronaut's psychological healthy [16:30:54] *health [16:31:10] yeah. and USI is good at calculating time estimates [16:32:21] anyhow, I had the idea of going for a standard transfer, and just do a course change burn halfway out (so I'm not trying to turn the ship's vector at 3 kps) [16:32:52] Based on my estimates, one single pizza contains enough energy to heat 50 cubic metres of air from -20 deg C to 20 deg C. [16:33:17] I've done that *with* nodes to refine Minmus encounters to the point that I can almost just burn retrograde and land. [16:33:22] Conclusion: Pizza does have enough power for -20 °C [16:33:40] Ah. [16:33:47] APlayer: that's great, but we don't live in adiabatic houses [16:33:58] For this mission, I'm pretty sure that I can just throw an LS container on the upper stage. I'm loading KSP to check that. [16:35:42] (if we did, we would die) [16:36:46] next question, do I want to try and bring a scientist and rely on fly-by-wire? that sounds like a really dumb idea given that I'll be blocked by the Mun part of an orbit for much of the month. [16:37:08] ....including the starting part, since the initial polar orbit will have to go directly out over a pole... [16:37:47] btw, that radio silence is also true during re-entry... [16:38:30] yeah. scientist and pilot, if anything. [16:39:03] also, bringing more LS and not over-engineering the electrical system would help with part count. [16:45:44] ve2dmn: Based on arbitrarily chosen values from the internet, you'd need about 1 pizza every 10 minutes to keep an average single-family home at 20 deg C with an outside temperature of -20 deg C [16:46:06] Sounds about right [16:46:06] Sounds logistically manageable to me [16:47:45] The real question then becomes: Do you open a pizza shop, or do you open a pizza shop? [16:49:24] The answer is, of course, a Poutine place. [16:49:44] So, with an overhead of eight or so pizzas to get your house to 20 degrees initially and one additional pizza every ten minutes, you can keep your house warm for about 5000$ per week [16:50:23] Given a place that sells you pizzas at a bulk price of 5$/pizza [16:50:32] APlayer: Nice, I'll get started right away [16:51:11] I wonder what my electric bill is gonna look like... [16:51:40] But I recommend raising the outside temperature, though. If you start with 0 deg C on the outside, you halve your costs [16:52:21] So, what you are saying is that if I wait for summer I can bring my cost down to 0 ? [16:52:38] And the neighbours would surely support you regarding the costs of raising the outside temperature [16:52:53] Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?! [16:53:00] Actually you did [16:53:54] You did all the math, so I get no credits [16:54:42] The outside temperature is currently steadily rising at a rate of 0.05 °C or so per year [16:55:01] The process should be optimized to save on heating energy [16:55:32] As it stands, it increases when people spend more on heating. [16:55:39] Would it not be cheaper for me to move to Texas? [16:56:09] Then simply move slightly north when it's too hot? [16:56:32] a mobile home [16:57:05] you migrate with the temperature [16:57:16] You probably never heard of 'snowbirds' but is what retired people do in Canada [16:57:40] They move down to florida for the winter, and move back after 2-3months [16:59:18] Arizona is also a popular destination. [16:59:41] (because the dry weather helps with some pains) [17:00:04] Anyway, I'm off for dinner [17:00:22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbird_(person) [17:00:27] Not pizza, but hopefully enough to heat up my puny body back to operational temperatures [17:02:54] haha, local flat earthers: earth does not curve down, the horizontal laser curves up (to be fair that can happen) [17:05:05] https://youtu.be/BcNUiZxvwt0 [17:05:06] YouTube - slowmo ice pickaxing [17:06:05] samsung s9 will have high speed camera, up to 960 fps... for 0.2 seconds in that case :) [17:06:31] mine can do 400 or 1200fps for 5 seconds [17:06:39] but crap quality [17:07:03] that 0.2 seconds means it is pretty much useless [17:07:28] it is borderline of human capabilities to react that fast [17:07:37] yeah [17:07:46] I wish mine had a end trigger [17:15:13] hmm 3 lauches in the next 4 days [17:15:23] falcon, soyuz, atlas [17:15:39] nice [17:16:45] actuallt 3 days 4 hours, so almost one for each day [17:42:05] what is this [17:42:12] can't even watch videos in 240p [17:42:20] who is destroying internet again [17:44:52] i have a capsule around the mun in retrograde orbit (was easier to capture that way). now i have to take that to minmus. apparently i am exactly in the wrong time [17:45:02] cant get an encounter [17:45:14] seems i would need to cancel the oribtala velocity of the mun to do that [17:45:30] or wait a long time until minmus comes in position [17:45:36] kerbin assist? [17:45:52] after minmus i still need o take them out of the soi [17:46:08] and i dont want to wait there 2 weeks either, so lot of wasting of fuel [17:46:40] kerbin, that would give me at least 2 days of wait time [18:05:33] apparently the kerbin maneuver helps [18:05:46] but that will take me 12 days [18:06:02] the whole career has been going on for only 26 days [18:27:10] https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/80cl29/insane_full_falcon_heavy_demo_flight_in_ro_rss/ [18:28:20] poor kerbal is going to space, never to come back [18:39:26] i just cant make this transfer in a sensible time [18:39:36] despite the alexmoon thing [18:40:21] even 6 days would be enough, although that is more than twice of my usual time to minmus [18:42:40] i think this is pointless, i go to kerbin orbit beyond the mun and do a plane change for minmus, there i can wait a fay days and still make it faster than this [18:44:04] it depends on the definition of 'this' and 'pointless' [18:44:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:47:52] Uhm, wut? https://imgur.com/a/LagzW [18:47:52] https://i.imgur.com/tbJLXfl.png [18:48:50] Pakaran: free reputation I guess [18:49:46] hehe [18:50:14] the question is, what is a flyby defined in the game [18:50:24] i know it is triggered by entering the soi [18:50:29] but what if you are already tehre? [18:51:27] I'm actually going to remove one mod and see what happens. [18:51:28] Althego: plus the reward is only reputation... [18:51:45] That might be due to having monthly budget installed but inactive. [18:52:01] But I've seen other slight oddness with contract mods + modded solar system [18:52:40] Pakaran: that is a tourism plus contract.... but I find the reward weird [18:53:00] http://kerbal-star-systems.wikia.com/wiki/Kereksus is not a good flyby for the early game, but thanks World Firsts. [18:56:28] given how much I've been annoyed by other contracts, if it is still there without Monthly Budgets, I'm tempted to set up something to get the tourist in question in a 90 km hop and call it a day. I can probably do it with just two stages of boosters. [18:57:02] or 1 booster [18:57:39] (the 3rd, second-to-last one) [18:57:41] the boosters I have are, like, 6 tonnes of fuel max is the issue there [18:58:07] But yeah, probably. [18:58:45] that was my suborbital setup. 1 Staypunik, 2 parachutes, 1 capsule, 1 booster [18:59:25] that's why I have a hard time making money on tourists -- I'm overengineering [19:00:15] Check the price of the contract and design lower. [19:00:29] 2 parachutes so you recover the booster too? [19:00:32] then re-use it, over and over again, with kOS if you need too [19:00:54] no, 2 side parachutes because the staypunik was on top [19:01:13] you could probably survive with 1 [19:01:14] makes sense [19:01:34] but more parachute is a fairly small mass penalty, right [19:01:41] also means you don't have to balance it [19:01:44] the staypunik was JUST so I could open the parachutes. Could probably automate that with kOS [19:02:27] ok, from a kerbin orbit i got a 6 day encounter, more or less ok [19:02:56] I do have kos, and plan to, but right now I'm still at the point where it's practice launching. [19:04:01] My immediate goal is VAB level 2 (about 60k short of that now). [19:04:33] Pakaran: I stayed in LKO for a long time and made lost of money on tourist wanting to go there. [19:05:15] Yeah, I need to free up a few parts to get, at least, recoverable first stages. [19:05:43] not a long in-game time, because each mission was short enough, but I automated everything so I could go do the dishes while the tourist when on a suborbital flight [19:07:07] the thing with tourism+ is you need a pilot and a tourist. I do notice it doesn't say the pilot needs to be capable of control, though, and I might redesign for something besides a mk1 pod and a passenger can. [19:08:09] I says, try to do several contract at the same time: 1 pilot+ X tourists. Maximize for X [19:08:29] ooh. [19:08:36] I designed a 7 kerbal ship, and an 11 kerbal one [19:08:38] and the tourists don't necessarily need to be doing the same thing. [19:08:44] yu [19:08:56] Put all the suborbital on the same orbital flight. [19:09:10] unbelievable, the closest node is more than 4 hours away. that is like a day [19:09:46] which is bad, because i need the money to do the final upgrade on the tracking station [19:10:02] yeah. I really need to get level 2 VAB and I'll be able to design around most of the other issues I have now. [19:10:16] but this hasnt happened in the entire history of this career [19:10:34] at most there was 1.5 hours so i could launch something and recover the first stage [19:19:06] there are 2 contracts i could take, but... one is taking 850 ore from duna to around ike, which is a lot of work, because it is heavy, and cant be done for quite a while, because of the travel times [19:19:51] and the other is a station around the mun with 9 kerbals and a lab, too expensive to get it there for mere 200k [19:22:53] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Alas, poor Bill! I knew him, Jebediah, a Kerbal of infinite misfortune, of most high stupitidy. [19:23:09] hehe [19:23:41] Remember how I was making a mod for Stellaris that would've made it so one could start out on a habitat instead of a planet? [19:23:59] Turns out, somebody updated their own to do just that last night. [19:24:52] I made this instead http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1314535252 [19:25:49] Proxima Centauri is not a place to raise a kid. In fact, it's irradiated as Hell https://phys.org/news/2018-02-proxima-centauri-good-bad-day.html [19:33:15] Flares are weird. [19:33:37] Red Dwarf stars in general are weird. [19:33:42] In terms of joules released, A stars >> G stars >> M stars [19:34:01] In terms of frequency and % of stellar brightness, it's the reverse. [19:34:16] Action: Scolar_Visari recalls star spot activity being significant enough to be a major concern for long term habitabiliy. [19:34:55] UmbralRaptop: One would think that being fully convective would make them calmer but nooooo. They just had to be special little stellar objects. [19:35:37] Also, the lack of spin down is weird. [19:36:08] One wonders, however, how different red dwarf stars can be from one another. [19:36:48] Quite a bit, AFAIK. [19:37:41] I know age can change their flaring activity. [19:37:47] M8 to M0 is what, a factor of 6-7 in mass? [19:39:14] At least as big as AFGK, and bigger than the brown dwarf mass range! [19:41:47] Think of the habitability possibilities, too, with stable m-types. [19:43:31] Oh dear . . . https://www.academia.edu/30921896/Why_Mars_has_no_atmosphere_like_the_moon_Titan_and_Earth [19:44:23] wat [19:45:38] It's from a frequent, ah, "contributor" to the comments sections on phys.org. They fancy themselves an expert in, "theoretical astrophysics". [19:46:00] Believe it or not, they're also not the only person on the site to have missed the well recorded that fact that there is indeed water on Mars. [19:51:27] Action: Scolar_Visari notes the profile picture looks like Terry O'Quinn's character from The Stepfather. [19:53:10] Said person also seems to take credit for the first confirmed observation of gravitational waves (if I'm reading their word salad correctly) https://www.academia.edu/22690826/Gravitational_waves_a_great_discovery_or_a_great_scandal_a_plagiarism_ [19:57:40] how would you explain in a few sentences what ksp is... in german [19:57:40] "when we master the temperatures below the melting point of helium [19:58:37] Althego: It's a game about green astronauts and their rockets. [19:58:51] Or, in the tongue of the Fatherland: Es ist ein Spiel über grüne Astronauten und ihre Raketen. [19:59:32] Oh dear lord there's a Downfall paraody including KSP . . . [20:00:25] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgtMUkcPuo4 [20:00:26] YouTube - Hitler Plans To Play Kerbal Space Program [20:03:24] kek [20:04:09] In retrospect, von Braun and company could've done a better job if they played KSP. [20:07:22] hehe [20:07:34] "Vhat do you know? Vee should have quick-saved BEFORE all the launches!" [20:13:38] Hey, Stratolaunch is still a thing sort of! http://www.stratolaunch.com/gallery.html [20:19:54] i am gonna build an airplane. it is going to be the best in the world. tremendous, huge, believe me. [20:21:43] When? [20:26:02] What's that noise . . . Ooooh, *four* F-35s. [20:27:00] Action: Scolar_Visari googles, "anatomically correct dinosaurs" and gets the exact opposite. [20:29:20] grr [20:30:28] On a related note, can we have a Jurassic Park reboot where the dromeosaurs are the protagonists? [20:31:01] Less humans, more dinosaurs. [20:31:11] So . . . Raptor Red? [20:31:34] :D [20:32:50] Or sentient dinosaurs? https://povorot.deviantart.com/gallery/9348116/The-Dinosauroids [20:35:29] Or that. [20:36:42] Action: Scolar_Visari shudders https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LC7Ltxbk2-E/VcpTQUkavlI/AAAAAAAAE_o/AJsVP1hveIg/s1600/Dromec.jpg [20:38:02] Hopefully that's from the 1970s or 80s? [20:38:35] 1987 [20:39:34] Heres what they thought a Velociraptor would look like if you totally ignored the complete skeleton found in 1971 https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9gvEocUpKjs/VcpSa9fCsQI/AAAAAAAAE_U/cGeJNtoTPs8/s1600/Velociraptor.jpg [20:39:54] I want a Jurasssic Park reboot where the dinosaurs start to have feathers [20:40:45] That had better be implicit in any reboot. [20:41:02] UmbralRaptop: sadly... [20:41:24] Judging by the numbers of TIL on the topic I've seen on reddit... [20:41:39] Scolar_Visari: crocodile jaw? o_O [20:42:32] They did less wrong with the Deinonychus depiction, if only because it was a blatant copy of Bakker's depiction from The Dinosaur Heresies https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Vhb5EPvEdhM/VcpSTTJTPkI/AAAAAAAAE_M/dhnZbnaRd8I/s1600/Deinonychus.jpg [20:42:52] ve2dmn: tell them that a cassowary is basically a vegetarian velociraptor. [20:43:08] Whatisthisidonteven https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-363fNhpSQeE/VcpTkGZ4NHI/AAAAAAAAE_4/JxAKvMGodas/s1600/Spino.jpg [20:43:45] Scolar_Visari:& a plant eating deinonychus? o_O [20:43:53] it's a spino dino! [20:44:33] Spinosaurus, dimetrodon, close enough. [20:45:01] I think the most mind-blowing thing is when you tell people that the dino are still alive and well [20:45:48] UmbralRaptop: The 80's were a different time. The authors were probably loaded on coke when they wrote this. [20:46:05] And the dinos where closer to 'Big Bird' then 'Big Lizard'... [20:46:24] ...of course, the Big Lizard lobby is strong [20:46:31] (okay, there were other animals, I think including diapsids that looked like dimetrodons. In the Permian) [20:47:26] ve2dmn: All the more amusing given that dromeosaurs were not all that different looking from modern birds. [20:47:35] And they were around since the Jurassic. [20:48:04] "Seseme Street Big Bird is a dinosaur" [20:48:36] Sesame* [20:51:26] maybe i can do the station under 50k, and then i get the 150 reward az profit. but then 10 kerbals will be stuck around the mun [20:51:36] It's funny thinking about how revolutionary the Bakker rendition of Deinonychus was and how terrible it is today https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wxaf2pcOPnQ/UtxIt6FOOlI/AAAAAAAADbc/WSrJ2rzf7L8/s1600/Deinonychus.jpg [20:51:59] maybe if i had an ssto i could get them back with fuel price [20:52:06] Althego: I wouldn't worry so long as they sign a waiver forfeiting their lives. [20:52:06] Scolar_Visari: same with every field of science... [20:52:37] ve2dmn: Made all the more amusing, however, because Huxley had already demonstrated a strong link between dinosaurs and modern birds a century before Bakker. [20:53:20] not my field, so *shrug* [20:54:10] ve2dmn: To be frank, a lot of paleontologists prior to Ostrom and Bakker were . . . Unprofessional glory seekers. [20:54:39] Like modern cryptozoo-o-lo-gist? [20:55:31] More like Tomb Raiders. [20:55:44] Action: Scolar_Visari notes there's a Drunk History episode which covers the Bone Wars, with Christopher Meloni! [20:57:27] I'm happy that we live in the era of 'we know about exoplanets' rather: 'you died of miasma' [20:57:32] Meh, better https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-T4evM6NQgow/VX3DpjVrkOI/AAAAAAAAE5k/KuItfU5PCmY/s1600/JWConstantijn2.jpg [20:58:02] ve2dmn: "Obviously we did not bleed them enough to balance their humors." [20:58:15] *sigh* [20:59:16] We still have things to clean up, like stop practicing physiotherapy like it's a real science [20:59:16] Wow, Barney gained some weight https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j-qwTMfpToo/TtPaONz7O3I/AAAAAAAAAbk/djFtuLAY-IY/s1600/Tyranno.jpg [20:59:36] ve2dmn: Shhh, you don't want the chiropracters hearing you say things like that! [21:00:07] Physio is still covered in Quebec, but barely [21:00:31] No no no no no https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YoZ3g98OLOU/TtPdnp-hKDI/AAAAAAAAAbw/cj5Sb2kFbtI/s1600/Deinonychus.jpg [21:03:43] Daaaaawww https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ON18InoGrXk/TgTTeX-W_iI/AAAAAAAABVo/S-ki1u8XkdY/s1600/troodons_tool_using_dinosaurs_by_psithyrus-d3cl0pj.jpg [21:06:28] UmbralRaptor: Huh, I didn't hear about this one http://utahraptors.utahpaleo.org/ [21:07:52] Interesting [21:08:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:09:11] Evening, Gentlemen. [21:10:03] There's suggestions that this heavily supports pack hunting among Utahraptors, and there are juveniles among the recovered specimens. [21:18:36] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to do the dinosaur. [21:20:48] am I allowed to ask why the thread about the updated terms was closed and is it a taboo topic now [21:23:22] I'm not familiar but if I had to guess: conspiracy mongers followed by a bit of Streisand effect [21:33:55] I read the fews pages, and it seemed like it was moslty 'meh' [21:34:05] (first few pages* ) [21:34:12] I'm sorry about the statement I made yesterday [21:35:30] I don't want to be so dramatic about something that was bound to come with the T2 acquisition [21:36:27] The updated terms thread is closed, but the discussion page is open [21:36:39] I'm sorry for misinforming; page is here: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/171236-updated-terms-notice-privacy-policy-discussion [21:37:12] It's not like we can't backup our current version and continue using it indefinetly. [21:39:03] I think we'll see KSP going the way of Paradox games: paid DLC to maintain developpement staff. [21:39:18] Expect 1 DLC per X months [21:40:20] Uhh... I hope they considered the General Data Protection Regulation or someone may write cease-and-desist letters [21:42:49] What's a good estimate of the money they'll not be getting because of the people who bought the game while it was free and now get to buy the DLC free? [21:43:13] Also, where's the original creator's reddit and is it active? [21:44:04] so I have a contract that keeps tempting me, fly tourists over Kerbin's badlands. [21:44:39] I know generally where they are in this mod, but it's a small point on the far side of the planet [21:48:12] GuestBanana: very hard to get good numbers, so hard to estimate. I imagine that it's a small fraction of the potential monetary gain [21:51:08] it looks like Take2 did their homework. The privacy policy should be in line with the new General Data Protection Regulation [21:51:41] Mat2ch: probably used the same template as the rest of the stuff they own [21:52:12] ve2dmn: it seems they only have one and they are linking to it everywhere [21:52:41] well... if it's a decent one... why not re-use it [21:53:50] exactly :) [21:56:15] I was listening to the Paradox podcast about the buiness of gaming, and they mentioned that the current trend is consolidation [21:56:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:56:37] Also that there was 21 new games on steam every *day* [21:59:12] I don't want to get political, but what do you expect in a world where the real work is mostly done by robots, but everybody needs to earn money to have something to eat... [21:59:31] I wonder when the first games are written by an AI ;P [22:02:49] rather than DLC [22:03:05] it's more likely that they'll just be using the IP for future games [22:06:08] Action: UmbralRaptop 🔪 school WiFi [22:06:42] We'll see, but I don't think the KSP 'IP' can be re-used that much [22:08:34] we already see half the MSM articles about space illustrated by "artists renditions" that are in fact KSP screenshots... [22:10:00] MSM ? [22:10:50] Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDl_LO6nOnI [22:10:50] YouTube - Rocket Science E06: Solid Propulsion [22:12:17] ve2dmn: main stream media [22:12:38] ve2dmn: kerbals are every bit as good as minions -marketability-wise :v [22:12:51] ^ that is true [22:12:52] think: educational minions [22:12:52] disagree [22:12:53] D: [22:13:04] I prefer to think KSP movie [22:13:16] would be wierd... [22:13:23] also: mobile games, childrens videos [22:13:28] why are side launched stages such a nightmare in KSP [22:13:38] or at least KSP RO [22:13:41] we'll see [22:13:42] whatever educational game brand they intend to do [22:14:12] well squad is trash so whatever they do with the IP likely will be as well [22:14:19] unless Take Two takes it insteade [22:14:27] instead* [22:14:46] are people upset with squad now? O.o [22:14:54] have been for a long time [22:15:01] why's that? [22:15:06] iplop: because they are trash [22:15:16] a non-4chan reason? [22:15:19] yes [22:15:31] can you supply a non-4chan reason? [22:15:42] iplop: theyve driven away just about every good programmer who has ever worked for them [22:15:47] namely due to management issues [22:16:30] ive heard shady stuff about them in the 6 or so years ive been in the community that i really shouldnt repeat [22:17:30] maybe take two has and is straightening them out [22:17:38] but squad by itself was horrible [22:19:00] looking up squad: it looks like they were never very serious about game development O.o [22:19:16] it was not their core buiness no [22:19:19] as in: KSP was a one-off accidental thing [22:19:24] exactly [22:19:46] I'm still happy it happened [22:19:52] iplop: KSP was born out of them being afraid harvester was gonna leave them so they let him make KSP to appease him and keep him from leaving [22:19:59] ve2dmn: im happy it happened [22:20:04] but im not happy with the company [22:20:14] they want to be a record producer O.o [22:20:15] nor their treatment of now former employees [22:20:59] ve2dmn: for example, i can guarantee ill never by anything else squad produces [22:21:10] on ethical grounds [22:21:31] you'd think they killed your dog [22:22:23] Action: iplop doesn't care much either way [22:22:28] KSP is fun [22:23:10] :3 [22:24:59] started a new stellaris game with a friend [22:25:09] pretty nice start but im fairly low on cash [22:25:14] but im loaded with energy [22:25:22] was the opposite before the update [22:25:57] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW_KcVyU8AInbIy.jpg [22:26:00] mmmmm [22:26:23] that's ginnormous [22:26:25] Fluburtur: im thinking about trying stellaris again. first game i played i didnt like as much as, say, EU4 [22:26:55] i decided i hated it after 1.5 hrs of gameplay [22:26:59] but that was like a year ago [22:27:02] and i hear it's changed [22:27:07] it's a nice game [22:27:18] im not much into that kind of games usually but I love it [22:27:18] Fluburtur: invested a tn of hours and did like the absolute minimum of diplomacy, which annoyed me [22:29:17] .oO( and I still have a key I'd trade ;P ) [22:29:51] iplop: still, not as awesome as the proposed twin C-5 shuttle carrier would have been, but its a nice plane [22:32:17] https://i.imgur.com/nxAfsE4.jpg