[00:16:32] station? all I've seen so far are single parts... not even sure I've come across a hitchhiker can stranded in orbit yet. [00:17:14] one contract, was two stars. rescue so-so in orbit of kerbin... turns out they in orbit out a bit past the mun [00:20:29] Quite a trip [00:21:03] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/133606-15x-kerbal-planetary-base-systems-v166-15-november-2018/ <-- i mean a part from one of those [00:21:14] it's still a single part then [00:47:37] Action: darsie rescued a Kerbal from a hitchhiker container in Minmus orbit. [00:48:15] earlier [00:48:46] darsie equator orbit or did it have an inclination? [00:48:56] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Wubba dub dub dub, I'm Recon Rover Rick bluuuuurp! [00:49:01] some inclination. [00:49:27] at least with minmus... inclination changes are too bad. [00:49:37] aren't* [00:49:48] was going to fix that... [00:50:05] JVFoxy: Multiple low-orbit biome observations with one's first Minmus orbiter make for stupid high science returns. [00:50:15] had a mun surface rescue.. hes still stranded half way to the south pole.. ugh [00:50:59] JVFoxy: Jetpack to suborbit and rescue from there :). [00:51:17] darsie have to get to him first [00:51:22] contracted [00:51:31] yeah. Low fly over and switch. [00:51:36] darsie: That would be all well and good until the the orbital speed rescue vehicle plows into the hapless victim. [00:51:47] I do have a ship prepped and ready to go. A fuel station on standby in mun orbit.. just gotta get around to running it [00:51:56] Scolar_Visari: Need to match speed and then speed up again. [00:52:10] "Oh, hai guiz! You're going awfully fas-SPLAT" [00:52:34] It's tricky. [00:52:36] darsie: It'd be simpler to simply land. [00:52:56] Unless you have an Ark Bird lying around [00:53:01] yeah. But if you like a challenge. Using a cheap, simple rocket ... [00:53:24] wonder how long it would take to drive from equator to around 45 lat on the mun.. [00:53:33] long [00:53:47] You can jetpack to orbit from near the equator. [00:53:50] JVFoxy: I've probably driven that equivalent in distance in Elite with ma' SRV. [00:55:01] Of course, the SRV is more forgiving than walking or roving in KSP, especially if you turn on physics time compression . . . [00:55:11] I was hoping I could just use what I already got in orbit, add a few tanks, have fuel station on standby rather than building everything new again.. [00:55:28] Action: Scolar_Visari also notes some people in Elite have actually gotten SRVs into orbit on very low gravity bodies. [00:55:49] SRV? [00:55:57] Surface Roving Vehicle.. my guess [00:56:28] darsie: They're single occupant vehicles you can deploy from starships in Elite Dangerous. [00:56:52] Equipped with twin-linked small plasma cannons and jump jets! [00:57:17] Is that the same Elite as on the C64 and Amiga? [00:57:23] https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4339223/EliteDangerous64%202015-12-07%2015-36-51-72.jpg [00:57:24] so basically pissed off spider on wheels? [00:57:37] darsie: It's the newest sequel with a 1:1 scale Milky Way. [00:57:48] ok [00:57:49] JVFoxy: Yes, and easily squished by an actual ship. [00:57:53] looks cool [00:58:00] wonder why dual wheels on front arms [00:58:19] steering.. maybe? [00:59:02] JVFoxy: Moar traction while turning! [00:59:04] though.. they do similar with baby strollers.. just only with 4 legs instead of 6 [00:59:39] takes out torque. [00:59:47] Navigating with that on worlds with mean surface gravity under .1G can also be interesting. [01:00:18] not sure how well the rubber would hold up in 0 pressure... must be special material [01:00:39] JVFoxy: It's probably solid, rather than inflated. [01:00:40] I might also be over thinking things.. [01:00:52] 2 bar relative pressure is the same as in an atmospher. [01:01:19] even solid.. might not want it to freeze, become brittle... maybe built in heaters [01:02:47] one of my RPG book sets... build what you want, let the engineers figure figure things out for you. Just remember, the more absurd it is, the more expensive it'll end up being. So no bicycles with tank guns. [01:03:28] well it could be done... may not be very practical. :P [01:04:02] JVFoxy: While you can't carry a tank gun on a bicycle, you can still put a few antitank weapons in the basket! [01:04:37] Get a bike trailer. [01:05:04] https://cdn3.volusion.com/bmfcy.fjqhr/v/vspfiles/photos/DR75031-2.jpg?1533738074 [01:05:14] So, since SETI Unmanned before Manned appears abandoned (1 year+) I've written a replacement. Anyone got tips on getting it into CKAN? [01:05:23] Or a pedal powered 4-wheel cannon. [01:05:49] navy version: https://i.redd.it/oqirgz43w1001.jpg [01:05:51] darsie: Psht, just get out and push. [01:06:16] Where a goat can go, a man can go. Where a man can go, he can carry a gun. [01:06:30] There will, of course, be lots of complaining. [01:06:45] gears will get up up slight slopes with a tank cannon. [01:08:34] Pack howitzer > pedal cannon https://www.army.mil/e2/c/images/2016/12/12/459909/original.jpg [01:11:06] Though, if you're desperate, you could just skip the pack mules and have a bunch of people carry it with more swear words. [01:11:21] or just get a high impulse weapon https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/guns/images/3/3a/HIWS_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180406071837 [01:13:45] Psht, howitzer guns is best guns. [01:14:12] Want splodey? Want reasonably accurate? Howitzer got it! [01:15:04] weapon... don't have to hit it.. just has to get close enough [01:15:50] sniper... ya well at least I don't take everything else out around said target [01:16:52] JVFoxy: Sometimes, you *want* to take out everything else! [01:17:06] assassin... I get more enjoyment hands on.. you wusses can just sit back, watch the show. [01:17:20] Action: Scolar_Visari laughs in time on target. [01:18:03] While you're enjoying multiple round simultaneously impacting your position with utmost prejudice, I shall be enjoying some tea and witty anecdotes from the local beeb broadcast. [01:20:03] Phobos should get its stretch marks looked at https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1811/Phobos_Viking1_1175.jpg [01:22:06] sigh.. just got back from roommate... the other brought in some rear projection tv someone threw out. tried to fix it, no go. I looked at it, noticed the guns don't align any more, after trying to adjust focus, phase adjusting, ect. Now roommate says tv is worse off, gives her headaches, should have left it alone. [01:23:32] said she knew it couldn't be fixed, though only messed with on screen menu... think someone dropped it, knocked out something that screen menu can't fix [01:23:46] You could still use it as a nifty light. [01:23:55] tried to do something good, help out, but now I feel like crap [01:24:32] trying to fix it from behind without having someone give me input didn't really do me any good... [01:25:18] You have done something good: You've made a perfectly fine shadow puppet illuminator lamp! [01:32:20] Teehee https://preview.redd.it/tq87wt32h8m01.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=21ba259cdeb95871dea3734c3b740bcb9314ae36 [01:34:06] I don't get is.. those light guns are in there pretty solid, yet the picture looks warped on only one or two colors. can't get anything focused [01:34:24] other said probably when the original owners moved it, the let it fall pretty hard [01:35:44] Action: Scolar_Visari is sometimes thinking JVFoxy is talking about NES light guns for Duck Hunt. [01:36:02] rear projection tv... 3 color projectors [01:36:19] basically like a TV tube, but a lot brighter [01:39:30] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if War Thunder simulates spalling from massive HE shells. [01:58:10] Action: Scolar_Visari sighs https://www.inquisitr.com/5178657/large-asteroid-packing-50-megatons-of-force-might-come-crashing-down-on-earth-in-2023-and-thats-not-all/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo&utm_campaign=homepage [02:02:55] Oh not this again too . . . https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a24219132/darpa-emdrive/ [02:05:37] You know you're in for a wild right when Mike McCulloch, an oceanographer, is peddling papers on cosmology. [02:10:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:11:11] didn't they figure out that the EM drive was interacting with earch's magnetics? [02:12:18] JVFoxy: Not having read the paper that was actually peer reviewed and retracted, I couldn't say for absolute certainty. The only other peer reviewed paper, in English, never quantified its sources of error. [02:13:44] The English language experiments were . . . not very well designed. [02:14:54] I read they turned it on a table just to check it wasn't picking up on any stray readings. Turns out having it turned 180 degrees it was still putting out thrust but not in the direction they were expecting [02:16:51] There was a known, pre-peer review eissue where the, "Eagleworks" emdrive was allegedly producing thrust when the frustrum was left open on one end. That alone should've raised red flags. [02:17:23] Alas, they never did try and actually eliminate sources of error in their experiments and analysis. [02:18:36] https://www.universetoday.com/139287/uh-oh-the-emdrive-and-mach-drive-could-be-getting-their-thrust-from-cables-and-earths-magnetic-field/ [02:18:54] "While they found that the EM Drive did experience thrust, the detectable thrust may not have been coming from the engine itself. Essentially, the thruster exhibited the same amount of force regardless of which direction it was pointing." [02:20:29] even if it can pull on an magnetic field... that could be interesting in itself [02:21:07] There are already propulsion system concepts that do just that and far more effectively. [02:21:14] Action: Scolar_Visari points to the old concept of magnetic tethers. [02:21:57] magnetic dampeners... though they take time [02:22:27] I know some micro sats use coils to interact with the fields to help with orientation [02:22:31] So would would a repurposed emdrive. [02:23:28] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders why Final Fantasy XIII is on sale for less than Final Fantasy X and XII on Steam. [02:23:30] its bigger, not best use of materials, doens't mean we can't learn from it [02:24:21] JVFoxy: The only thing that's been learned from the emdrive is how not to run experiments. The thrust issue would've been resolved a long, long, long time ago had Eagelworks and co. actually introduced controls and quantified their sources of error. [02:25:21] peh.. everyone's incompetent... [02:25:52] an experiment that has been throwing quite a bit of unknowns... [02:25:53] Eagleworks is something else. The conclusion of their one AIAA peer review paper was word salad physics. [02:26:52] well if you getting readings from magnetic/electricity in wires. and the device is chucking out all kinds of magnetics, ya.. not going to be easy [02:26:53] All experiments throw unknowns, the trick is to methodically eliminate them. Eagelworks did not do this. [02:27:36] anyone else bothered to throw their hat in and try to figure out whats going on? [02:28:25] NASASpaceflight forums (not officially associated with NASA!) had lots of builders who eventually gave up. [02:29:19] Tajmar's the only other actual expert I can think of outside the Chinese team and Eagleworks that produced something approaching professional results. [02:30:05] my guess? Its doing something, just not what we think its doing.. [02:31:26] I think it's probably thermal expansion of interior components and some pretty minor interaction with local magnetic fields. The low thrust was never really promising, really, since it was within any reasonable error bars. [02:32:22] magnetics in a bottle? My guess its not thrusting anything... probably getting a stray field line tugging on something [02:32:46] JVFoxy: The Tajmar paper mentioned interaction with the Earth's magnetic field. [02:33:31] ya I saw something of the like too... but then that tells me this thing isn't quite as contained as we thought [02:33:54] I thought the bell thing was sealed, was just bouncing microwaves around inside.. [02:34:00] nothing was getting out [02:34:02] JVFoxy: Again, the experiments were never that well designed. There's a reason the emdrive paper with the highest recorded thrust was outright retracted and never spoken of again. [02:34:41] JVFoxy: The original idea behind the Emdrive was that the bouncing of microwaves would somehow produce thrust. Because . . . Well, reasons. [02:35:34] I could equate it to someone on a cart, pulling back, then ramming into one side to make it move... then pulling back slowly to repeat.. [02:35:55] but that only works because of friction on the ground [02:37:05] The consequence of Roger Shawyer's original characterization of the emdrive is that it would be a reactionless thruster. [02:37:11] I know someone said something about quantum physics, somehow the radiowaves inside were changing speed or something. [02:37:35] Mike McCulloch, whom I [02:37:54] 've mentioned before, has been a champion of that. But he's also not a physicist or engineer. [02:38:04] far as I know.. to change speed of radio signals, you have to change the medium they travel in [02:42:46] Action: Scolar_Visari would prefer other propulsion systems received more attention, if only because they produce more thrust and don't try and violate conservation of momentum. That's a fine. [02:47:10] Hrm . . . This looks awfully familiar . . . https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/elite-dangerous/images/7/7f/Night_Vision_SRV_Krait_MkII.png/revision/latest?cb=20181103105723 [02:47:15] Oh yeah! http://i.imgur.com/DvyA5cq.png [02:49:26] sigh.. miss battletech [02:49:50] Lost yer' right arm, huh? Serves you right for using a Clan 'mech! [02:49:55] I used to mess with WHM designs quite a bit [02:50:15] Why? The stock Warhammer was PERFECT! [02:50:34] IS version was a little... heaty [02:51:18] Clan, didn't have min ranges to worry about.. ok ERPPCs, but I still wanted to try ERL and a couple of Mpulse [02:51:43] Psht, heat build up builds character! [02:52:10] when I got MW2... thought it was /just/ clan war... didn't know about IS till much much later. [02:52:12] Action: Scolar_Visari notes Inner Sphere pilots prior to the Helm Memory Core era were also largely unclothed to help cope with heat in their 'Mechs cockpits. [02:53:07] JVFoxy: One of my reasons for having a love-hate relationship with MechWarrior 2. Yes, it introduced a lot of people to Battletech, but it also hooked them onto Clans like a bad gateway drug. [02:53:17] also found a friend had a number of books on things. Found a few online text games, MUXs.. was going to do my own thing but then MWO became a thing and the MUXs suddenly died off [02:54:17] Don't worry, we still have the new Battletech TBS. [02:54:21] on the mux, we did more IS stuff... clan you had ton of rules to follow [02:55:16] game I wanted to do, started off with IS... used Clan more for 'up graded' on a few things.. was sorta 'mod' of battletech/mechwarrior but with a different setting [02:55:17] Well, they ARE Clanners. [02:55:42] Following silly rules is their shtick. [02:56:41] started thinking clans were just a bunch of bullies... or more akin to gang warfare.. you didn't fit with them, you get exteriminated [02:58:02] I think outright genocide is atypical of the Clans. Ghost Bear wasn't so bad and, amusingly enough, they moved their entire Clan into the Inner Sphere. [02:58:11] Dem Smoke Jaguars do. [03:07:41] Mmmm, Marauders https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/2388/images/266/266-1530584556-1261748560.png [03:09:57] Action: UmbralRaptor is confused by the shapes. [03:11:03] dem updated mech looks.. hmmm.. [03:11:15] UmbralRaptor: There was, in fact, some wonkiness in the actual models because Battletech doesn't like imported meshes and doesn't do new animations. [03:11:46] However, I have a soft spot for the stock Marauder because they are among the most balanced stock 'mechs and rather cool looking [03:11:59] noticed one had X on one leg, O on the other [03:12:21] I have two legs. [03:12:32] I am on no ones legs. [03:12:45] I resent your implications reguarding legs. [03:12:59] I usually went more strike mechs than heavy. Most of hte guys I played with usually went Assault.. stuff like Kingcrabs, anything with AC/20s. so on.. [03:12:59] Action: Scolar_Visari notes MechWarrior Online, from which the mod's model is derived, was slimmer https://i0.wp.com/www.lordrcane.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/concept-marauder-std.png?fit=1000%2C1000 [03:13:16] I demand leg equality. [03:13:35] I'm pretty sure the Marauder is using the King Crab's animations, which is in the stock game. [03:13:46] o_O [03:14:24] UmbralRaptor: In contrast with MechWarrior Online's developers, the makers of Battletech (the 'pooter game) were unwilling to go to court over the use of the Unseen. [03:14:30] Or is it reseen again now? [03:15:08] think main assault I mostly used if it came to it, was Gauss highlander [03:15:38] but that was sims mux.. eh well [03:15:52] All the more amusing considering the Marauder originally looked like a certain command pod that once attacked a certain super dimensional fortress http://warminis.tk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/%5E737C71158BFA3CE8656ECAE68DC38F9E6E1465F65B58B4E9F1%5Epimgpsh_fullsize_distr.jpg [03:16:27] JVFoxy: Gauss Rifle Highlander is best Highlander. Go magnetic or go jumpjet home. [03:18:07] It's all-but-confirmed that the upcoming Urban Warfare DLC will involve some post Helm Memory Core tech. [03:21:32] Action: Scolar_Visari crosses fingers for infantry and artillery gameplay integration. [03:23:39] Dream on it [03:25:27] The former would be hard, the latter would be trivial. Airstrikes would also be nice. [03:26:11] Action: Scolar_Visari notes some missions already integrate artillery strikes as part of the plot. [03:26:22] death from above... [03:27:56] I'd rather keep the legs on my 'Mechs functional. Good for running away when my contracts expire. [03:28:48] for a vehicle that relies so heavily on working legs... you gotta wonder .. why? [03:29:20] I'm so happy that I can just toggle autostrut and use 4x for ascent [03:29:22] run around in heavy armor pants :P [03:30:09] JVFoxy: Having a 100 tons of metal fall on you is unhealthy. [03:30:17] Particularly if you're not 100 tons. [03:30:50] Yes, you lose some armor on your legs, but it is rather satisfying to 1 hit knock out another 'Mech! [03:30:57] battletech wasn't only game I sorta got into... Heavy gear too.. mm.. grizzlies [03:31:59] first time piloting whm... in mux. Second shot missed WVR.. second shot hit head, insta kill.. pilot wasn't happy when he got out of the death room [03:32:09] sorry.. first shot missed, second hit head [03:32:37] Operating on twin linked weapon rules, eh? [03:33:56] nah... [03:34:14] mux isn't turned based.. was more real time but using sorta turn based rules [03:34:40] Action: Scolar_Visari was thinking of Warhammer 40k's rules on twin linked weapons getting one free re roll for missed shots. [03:35:09] I shot one... base to hit was somewhat high.. he was medium range and running but towards me. I was reluctant to shoot my other ppc because of base to hit and high heat.. ended up firing anyways and just happened to roll lucky [03:36:53] Jovian chronicles, linked weapons work as single action, you roll for each projectile to see if it hits. once you roll a miss, rest are wasted [03:37:10] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders what a cockpit hit by a PPC would look like. [03:37:16] you are only allowed so many actions a turn, based on how many crew in your craft [03:38:42] maybe not ppc.. but pilot crit non-the-less, (warning, a bit gory) https://img.fireden.net/vg/image/1486/53/1486536818062.jpg [03:39:55] Don't worry, they just had a small head. [03:40:24] Also: That Clan Warhammer should probably be overheating right now. [03:40:44] I've head kicked/cockpit killed a few mechs in my time... [03:47:56] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to kick a Warhammer IIC in the face with a Wolfhound. [06:34:35] finally, today is the day [06:42:31] hahaha https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1066897091711066112 [06:42:32] <elonmusk> Earth is [06:42:50] 1 falt 2 hollow 3 flat and hollow [06:44:07] is elon actually a kekistani? :) [06:45:11] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1066900489856372737 [06:45:12] <elonmusk> 🖤 trouble [06:45:23] lol [06:59:20] massaraksh [07:14:19] flat AND hollow? lol [07:27:12] i sense there is 'ur mom' somewhere in that discussion [07:49:05] flat and hollow sounds like minecraft all mined out but retaining shell on top of land [08:02:55] maybe a bit inappropriate, but earth sent a robotic warrior to mars to penetrate it with a german steel rod :) [08:03:18] nothing like german rod [08:05:04] science will be interesting [08:05:31] i just found out now that it also has a laser retroreflector [08:06:00] but unlike on the moon, that is not measurable from earth [08:06:03] for us to reflect laser from earth to mars? sounds kinda hard [08:06:04] ah [08:06:24] so somebody needs to send a laser equipped orbiter [08:06:56] also it will collect dust, so probably losing efficiency [08:08:45] indeed [08:09:31] if it is possible to radar venus it should be possible to laser mars [08:09:47] there are plans for future communications to use laser [09:37:24] another twelve thousand millivolt warning sign https://twitter.com/oz52845179/status/1066502611635826688 [09:37:24] ��P�`~W https://t.co/lbIJJIOlDa [09:39:41] https://twitter.com/furan/status/1066816224846180352 [09:39:41] Today's weird chip. The HSN-1000 nuclear event detector. https://t.co/t7traeYEJs [09:45:29] lol [09:45:38] the millis [11:39:16] guys, earth is obviously hollow and we're on the INSIDE. otherwise, how would shoes wear out on the front and back first? that can only happen on concave surfaces [11:43:25] that's what i referred to when i said massaraksh [11:48:59] never heard that word before [11:49:32] maybe like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudosphere [11:50:29] Eddi|zuHause, it's a reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraksh [11:56:30] Eddi|zuHause, the shoe argument is total BS. that wear mainly comes from colliding with invisible walls [12:00:46] so after like two weeks shanghai immigration finally told me that there is an official loophole in the "must have train ticket only sold in china before entering china" rule [12:01:29] AIwrk: but there the word seems to mean the opposite [12:02:11] namely, having a booking confirmation from a travel agent showing that I will receive a pre-purchased ticket after entering china is enough [12:03:08] Eddi|zuHause, yes, but it is a reference to a world which is a hollow sphere. the word is catchy and is constantly used in the novel [12:04:33] the responese consisted of a single sentence and the sender literally being 'zzz@sh-immigration.gov.cn', not sure how that could have possibly taken that long. maybe the printout fell under the fax machine or so [12:06:15] why is the one true star wars battlefront almost a 6 GB download. don't remember games being that large 13 years ago [12:08:37] then they invented patch distribution systems? [12:10:18] also, they did have DVDs back then, which means about 4.5GB [12:10:36] aren't steam downloads compressed though [12:10:37] or 8GB with double layer [12:11:03] I also forgot that my C drive only has 36 GB left [12:11:17] that doesn't help for data which already is compressed, or notoriously uncompressible [12:11:43] Action: KrazyKrl wavs [12:12:07] WAVs are semi-poorly compressible [12:12:16] which is what they invented mp3 for [12:12:43] I won't be surprised if all cutscenes are duplicated for every language [12:13:28] i'm fairly sure multi-language videos were possible back then [12:13:36] i wouldn't be suprised if they had some arbitary compression scheme that has to be decompressed, files changed (or overwritten), then recompressed. [12:13:50] (i'm looking at you company of heroes) [12:14:25] Or you could use unreal engine, and have to distribute whole .upk archives, since they are serialized data. [12:16:32] unreal "use unity if you are worried about file size overhead" engine [12:16:53] Yea... but garbage collection / 10 [12:18:14] your MOM is garbage collection (sorry, idk what came over me there) [12:18:48] have you seen the recent unity demos? gc isn't even the problem with well written code, it appears to be loading RAM into CPU memory [12:19:26] have you seen code recently? most of it is not well-written [12:19:59] well 93% of unity users are script kiddies [12:20:27] and that proves whose point now? :p [12:21:35] unity makes it easy to write bad programs... C# just amplifies the problem. [12:21:50] Eddi|zuHause, sturgeons law [12:22:07] so language should be torturious? like brainF***? [12:23:21] how did this turn into "but real programmers use "? [12:23:45] real programmers use what is applicable [12:23:46] real programmers use their brains [12:23:53] garbage collecting languages make sense in only one case: rapid development. [12:24:27] you can write bad code in any language. just whatever meme language is fancy this month will attract the bigger crowd of bad (and potentially good) programmers [12:24:55] also, good programmers write bad code when they are in a rush, or have wrong corporate incentives [12:27:23] example: pacman for atari [12:32:01] example: gamebryo engine(now known as creation engine) [12:36:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:20:03] hehe almost 3 hours until the stream starts and there is already flat earth going on in the chat [16:20:36] I'm just watching Manley's newest youtube flick [16:20:49] stream about mars landing? [16:20:56] is there a flat mars theory? [16:23:12] no [16:23:18] remember elon joked about this [16:23:27] I don't remember. [16:23:39] the reply from the flat earth society was that unlike earth mars was observed to be round [16:24:15] But isn't flat earth society a known troll club [16:24:31] although some clueless people who dont know how to focus a camera or telescope, think that planets are some kind of plasma [16:24:40] yes they are, but there are real flat earthers [16:25:18] typical claims include earth is flat and non rotating, sun and moon hover above and fly in circles, also maybe moon has its own light that makes things colder [16:25:35] also space doesnt exist [16:25:49] and rockets dont work in space [16:26:21] i'm always trying to picture a "re-enlightenment" movement in 500 years digging up archeological evidence of internet logs and saying "look how primitive these people were" [16:26:30] hehe [16:26:51] we are not less primitive than people who lived 10k years ago [16:27:11] no, but we are at the beginning of a new medieval age... [16:29:32] Nonsense. Aquinas spoke of the mythical City on the Hill. [16:33:08] hehe, "just in case, i really mean it this time, i am scott manley, fly safe" [16:34:31] Kalpa, thanks... now I have to play deus ex... [16:51:18] hollow mars [16:56:42] Eclipser: You're welcome [17:02:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/516660086521856001/DSC_0240.JPG [17:13:00] 10 channels? doesn't WLAN already have like 14? [17:16:46] idk [17:28:13] putting a network on one channel apparently disturbs several adjacent channels, so effectively (in 802.11g) networks can use the channels 1,5,9 and 13 (or in america they have fewer channels, and put them on 1,6 and 11) [17:28:33] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [17:28:39] talking about the 2.4GHz range here [17:28:54] rc stuff probably uses a different protocol [17:29:30] depends on how wide they define their channels, possibly. [17:29:38] but this is a shared frequency range [17:29:51] so expect loads of interference in crowded areas like cities [17:30:08] that's not really separate frequencies, it sends a digital streams that gets decoded into several control channels [17:31:00] ah, different kind of channel then [17:31:05] yeah [17:31:13] it isn't old analog radio stuff [17:31:22] and even then, that was just a single channel that was decoded [17:33:47] the "channels" in the WLAN standard are 20MHz-wide separations of the 2.4GHz band, to ensure multiple networks can operate in parallel without disturbing each other [17:35:16] so if you're experiencing lots of data loss, you could switch your WLAN to a different channel [17:35:41] well, those have a bunch of channels and they switch between them very nice [17:35:42] (most home routers do some kind of detection run to avoid busy channels) [17:35:50] but otherwise all the data stream is on one channel [17:36:00] very fast* huh [17:36:24] you can also combine channels for faster data transmission [17:36:46] just sending a servo signal doesn't require much [17:37:00] I guess the most intense data flow is the telemtry data the plane sends back to me [17:37:17] in this thing, 10 channels means that you can plug 10 things into the receiver really [17:37:31] but apparently you can go to 14 if you use the digital data port [17:37:35] with motor steering it's usually more important to get through within a certain timeframe [17:37:57] usual servo frequency is 50hz but a bunch can go to 400hz [17:38:10] mostly helicopter ones tho, 50hz is plenty for a plane [17:38:15] especially a glider [17:39:37] i work in industrial automation, and there using WLAN is considered unreliable, because it can't guarantee timings [17:39:48] and timing is everything [18:21:41] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:31:14] 7 minutes of terror livestream (soon) https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public [18:31:34] there are two, one is a 360 deg view of the control room [18:42:51] this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGD_YF64Nwk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0yOTanzx-s [18:44:14] poked face on myspace channel... chat is just .. derp... [18:44:31] chat on those to.. ugh, its just flying by.. no time to see whats being said. [19:00:37] starting [19:03:54] hehe the peanuts [19:06:10] i remember when i watched one of the mers landing. on a dial up modem, tiny stream [19:06:39] now i have 2 parallel high resolution streams [19:10:42] hehe they implanted the normal stream in the 360 [19:20:23] Burr and all that jazz [19:35:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:37:01] InSight stream is live for some time now [19:42:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGD_YF64Nwk this one? [19:43:08] oh i should have read up more [19:43:26] there is alsop one on nasa tv [19:43:37] currently lagging a few seconds behind [19:44:04] mabus: Yes [19:44:32] too bad you cant move in the 360 view [19:44:41] DSN now has a few dishes facing that way right now [19:44:46] also they are switching between the two control rooms randomlu [19:44:58] Althego you can move the 360.. just click, hold and drag [19:45:08] you can rotate, but cant move [19:45:10] Heh, someone's using a felt tip pen in the video, you can hear the sound :D [19:45:13] not google maps [19:45:15] when are they going to enable the stream of the landing [19:45:24] switch out of station view [19:45:28] Also, there was some weird sound earlier, I though it was of someone eating an apple [19:46:21] well... move through the room be kind of hard. probably need several 360 [19:47:09] go cubesats! [19:47:25] It's already on the ground in one form or another. Time to wait and see how many pieces. [19:47:29] HEY UR [19:47:35] no equivalent of the mohawk guy :) [19:47:36] what's the signal delay today? [19:47:41] 8min [19:47:46] Atmospheric entry [19:47:48] About 1AU [19:47:50] so the 7 minutes started? [19:48:39] yep [19:48:53] hi, mrBlaQ [19:48:53] they could have tried to look at the landing with curiosity, it is not too far away [19:49:05] ok now blackout [19:49:06] they may be for all we know? [19:49:38] Althego: I'm picturing something like Curiosity's very first images. [19:49:58] just switch to craft view [19:50:01] 373 miles from curiosity. so I bet curiosity could see the entry plasma plume [19:50:07] well somewhat blackout... those micro sats providing relay [19:50:23] yes i think it could [19:50:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0yOTanzx-s are two greenscreens of people made to look like one room? [19:50:29] maybe even the chute [19:50:48] they put the other stream in the 360 stream [19:50:56] probably software only, no greenscreen [19:51:04] then again the mars atmosphere is so shallow it could be past the horizon? [19:51:30] from curiosity's vantage [19:51:41] deployed [19:51:55] Radar screen turn on [19:51:56] yayayay chute chut chute chute [19:52:16] the chute is scary [19:52:16] MarCO director is the star of the day because of live telemetry :D [19:52:20] the drop is even scarier [19:53:02] ahaha meanwhile each prior stage team gets a big sigh of relief [19:53:09] hehe [19:53:18] this is all the edl [19:53:51] that was a hell of a braking burn, heh [19:53:54] *Peak tension* [19:53:59] Wohooo! [19:54:01] come on [19:54:03] Well [19:54:04] what is it doing [19:54:07] yes [19:54:11] AYaYaYaYAYAY [19:54:15] confirmed touchdown! [19:54:25] EVERYBODY CRY NOW [19:54:38] 🎉 [19:54:47] Yes yes very nice [19:54:58] My alarm clock wakes me up in 4 h 50min [19:55:02] This was the worst idea [19:55:20] Yo, we have another thing on Mars now :D [19:55:26] so basically edl and marco people are happy now [19:55:33] ^ [19:55:33]