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[00:11:17] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> hi
[00:11:46] <flayer> hi
[00:11:51] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I've just started off
[00:12:04] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> trying to do an SSTO
[00:12:24] <flayer> a spaceplane SSTO?
[00:12:32] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> can't seem to get out of the atmosphere, yet I've got hella delta V
[00:12:38] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> yuppers
[00:13:04] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I cap at 380-odd meters per second
[00:13:13] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> then pitch down unavoidably
[00:13:26] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> unsure if it's the craft or my piloting\
[00:14:18] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I did alt-f12 to place myself in orbit to see if it would land safely and it glides like a dream
[00:14:38] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> but I feel as if I'm throwing myself against a wall
[00:14:50] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> or rather, kerbals against the ocean
[00:15:04] <flayer> its probably a matter of speed/intake/thrust/weight
[00:15:27] <flayer> if you're too heavy, you can't get up to speed to get a proper amount of intake/thrust for your jet engines to function properly
[00:16:06] <raptop> Yeah, at least some engines lose thrust at mach 1, and drag does peak around there.
[00:16:19] <raptop> I know some craft/players have a portion where the ascent includes a dive to get above it
[00:16:19] <flayer> what's helped me solve this is reducing the amount of fuel
[00:16:36] <raptop> Yeah, aircraft are weird in how sometimes less is more (because of drag)
[00:16:39] <flayer> sometimes i do that, sometimes i fire my orbital thrusters for a bit of a boost
[00:16:59] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> 1 nerv and 2 rapiers
[00:17:11] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I tried nosing down
[00:17:20] <flayer> switch the rapiers to closed cycle for a bit
[00:17:30] <flayer> to test things out
[00:17:42] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> certainly
[00:17:52] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> that's how I got to 380ms
[00:18:08] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> 2o degrees got me to 30km
[00:18:15] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> 20*
[00:18:17] <flayer> then you're just too heavy, i reckon
[00:18:29] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> twr is 1.67
[00:18:44] <flayer> numbers mean nothing to me
[00:18:47] <flayer> i do everything by feel
[00:18:51] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> fair nuff
[00:20:25] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> should I give up on making it a mining rig
[00:21:45] <flayer> i can't imagine 2 rapiers being capable of bringing a mining rig and nerv into orbit
[00:22:20] <flayer> but i have almost no experience with rapiers
[00:28:04] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> mini rig but yeah maybe underpowered
[00:28:12] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> unsure what else to use
[00:28:26] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> attempting to figure out screenshotting
[00:28:52] <flayer> replace the nerv with another rapier and see what happens
[00:32:18] <darsie> You could use rockets.
[00:38:29] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> https://imgur.com/a/T5LGLcm
[01:15:37] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> @darsie how so? do you mean those such as the vector engine?
[01:16:15] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I'm a bit scatterbrained, partially due to the cooking of the all important snacks
[01:20:27] <raptop> shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu: orange tank + skipper can get you something like 4 tonnes to LKO. (IIRC, an orange tank is a bit too much propellant for the engine, but eh)
[01:23:21] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> hmm
[01:23:42] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> now it reaaaly wants to go left, and smashed its bckside off
[01:23:48] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> *really
[01:38:22] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> now it seems to be overpowered
[01:38:45] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> leaps to 95m/s then does a power slide
[01:38:46] <flayer> then you can scale back down or add more weight!
[01:39:01] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> maybe I'm stupid but
[01:39:15] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> WHERE DO I ADD MORE WEIGHT OMG
[01:39:33] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> without increasing drag overmuch
[01:39:40] <flayer> somewhere in the middle
[01:40:07] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> extra fuel/oxidizer then
[01:43:10] <umaxtu> oh my thats a long nick
[01:45:11] Action: raptop wonders what esper's max length is
[01:46:03] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> it was supposed to be "shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatube
[01:46:27] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> so it must be 31
[01:48:12] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> now it truly has all of the wibbly-wobbly and none of the timey-wimey
[02:04:23] <umaxtu> no Doctor Who fans allowed here I'm afraid
[02:13:26] Action: umaxtu takes a sip from his Tardis mug
[03:51:55] Action: packbart is listening to 11th Doctor Audio Books
[04:19:31] <umaxtu> audio books?
[04:24:56] <packbart> yes. I like listening better than reading. Eyes are not multi-tasking
[04:28:57] <umaxtu> doctor who books?
[04:29:28] <packbart> yes. there are lots of them. most of them by Big Finish
[04:29:56] <packbart> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_audiobooks
[04:34:14] <umaxtu> huh. til
[04:34:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[04:34:40] <umaxtu> I'm still not caught up on the 12th's antics
[13:26:29] <Izaya> CKAN are you okay? Eggplant? https://social.shadowkat.net/media/6ab0b548bb23b7ecad1daa7b43ad4a7a10e1d11fcc0d59b96c4919d56213cb47.png
[13:27:06] <flayer> you have a folder called 'eggplant' on your desktop
[13:27:26] <Izaya> It appears I do.
[13:27:28] <Izaya> Huh.
[13:27:41] Action: Izaya doesn't run anything that provides desktop icons and generally forgets the folder exists
[13:28:25] <flayer> why do you have a folder called eggplant on your desktop?
[13:28:51] <Izaya> Got a mod for RimWorld that screenshots the map at regular intervals, and apparently I used the seed "eggplant"
[13:31:05] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/fjIRXtssskCljkXS/w.jpg
[14:38:51] <Althego> docking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg
[14:39:05] <Althego> the prichal iss module
[14:52:06] <Mat2ch> nice nice
[15:00:37] <Mat2ch> I wonder if the ISS will be spun around again...
[15:00:51] <Althego> seems to be a common occurance now
[15:01:44] <Mat2ch> Exactly
[15:05:00] <Mat2ch> Also I hope all of you have soled their Lilium stonks, because they will soon run out of money...
[15:10:38] <Althego> lilium was the much overrated elfen lied opening
[15:20:51] <Althego> the end looked really bad, it was seriously misaligned at it was visible that id did fast corrections
[15:38:03] <Mat2ch> you mean the video from two weeks ago?
[15:38:15] <Althego> no, this one
[15:38:35] <Althego> it was even a comical timing that the american said perfectly aligned, and the russian side said 30 deg off
[15:38:58] <Mat2ch> hrhr
[15:39:18] <Mat2ch> I really wonder what is going on at Roskosmos? They had such a great software department for years and now this?
[15:40:29] <Althego> hired ex-kerbal programmers? :)
[15:41:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[15:44:25] <Izaya> switched to kOS
[15:53:38] <Althego> that sounds like a mission
[15:53:48] <Althego> now we just need to find an outcome
[15:59:42] <Eddi|zuHause> an unscheduled kOS update delayed your maneuver node
[16:00:12] <Izaya> I didn't know we were up to kOS 10
[16:00:42] <Eddi|zuHause> isn't it 11 by now?
[16:01:14] <Izaya> I think I'll be sticking to kOS 2000 either way
[16:04:38] <Mat2ch> kOS 95 was the best one.
[16:04:52] <Althego> does it have a windows naming scheme?
[16:05:10] <Althego> or are we talking about ms stuff now?
[16:09:47] <packbart> Red Onion is better, eehniweeh! :)
[16:10:02] <packbart> (ok, it's Lua... still better than that kOS syntax)
[17:05:18] <Althego> kikkeri-ho-ho-ho lol
[17:15:21] <raptop> Should I be concerned by the menu ideas?
[17:16:11] <Althego> seems turkey is on now
[18:23:47] <Kalpa> Kikkerikuu
[19:31:42] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> The crew of the ISS begins singing "you spin me right 'round"
[19:35:33] <FLHerne> what, AGAIN?!
[19:51:50] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> lul what
[19:52:08] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I ran out of oxidiser
[19:52:28] <Althego> not yet, but they are already expecting it :)
[19:53:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[19:53:49] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> with 5740 lf and 1060 ox, I ran out of oxidiser at 2161 units of fuel... meaning for every 3579 lf I require 1060 oxidiser...correct?
[19:56:15] <packbart> The wiki says: "Rocket engines using liquid fuel and oxidizer, use a volumetric mixture of 9 units of liquid fuel per 11 units of oxidizer."
[19:56:41] <packbart> ( https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Liquid_fuel )
[19:57:12] <raptop> Yeah, all of the stock ones do that. I think shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu is also using jet engines at some points so wants additional lf
[19:57:56] <packbart> yeah, the page says "Jet engines use intake air in a volumetric mixture of 1 unit of liquid fuel per 15 units of intake air."
[19:58:09] <packbart> and it gets more complicated if you run nukes at the same time
[19:58:28] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I did as you suggested and switched to a rapier
[19:58:40] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> which is why oxidiser became a problm
[19:59:30] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> I had originally chosen a NERV for the efficiency and lack of high ox drain
[20:01:04] <Althego> the nuke is really heavy, so it is only efficient for low twr long burns
[20:55:48] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> thanks
[21:11:36] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> the auto-generated subtitles on the nasa stream
[21:11:56] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> gamma rays? no, Camrys
[21:12:54] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> (inaudible) work has uncovered previously overlooked orbits that can produce
[21:13:04] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> EXTREMELY ENERGETIC CAMRYS
[21:15:46] <raptop> Oh no, a 10 MeV Toyota has collided with me!
[21:29:27] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> outcome
[21:30:30] <shoveakerbalinahatchthroughatu> switched to kOS, a 10MeV Toyota has collided with you!