[00:10:27] I also wanted to understand PID loops. [00:10:29] That's not happening. [00:12:50] Mathuin, having trouble, or just didn't get around to it? [00:15:25] lordcirth: trouble [00:15:34] The output is supposed to be between 0 and 1. [00:15:36] And it's -55 [00:15:55] Ok, so what is your input and setpoint? [00:16:09] My set point is 45 (seconds until apoapsis) [00:16:34] and the output 0-1 is what? throttle? [00:17:11] Yes [00:17:27] SET PID TO PIDLOOP(KP, KI, KD, MINOUTPUT, MAXOUTPUT) [00:17:40] SET PID TO PIDLOOP(0.01, 0, 0, 0, 1) [00:18:03] That's how to set up a pid loop, yes, but I have zero confidence in my constants. [00:18:21] min and max should constrain the output to between 0 and 1, regardless of how messed up the rest may be [00:19:59] By the way, if you give your craft a boot file that loads and runs the real file from Archive, then whenever you quickload it will reboot with the latest code. Very handy. [00:20:19] I'll do that when it works,r ight now I type it by hand. [00:20:34] 'runpath('0:gravityturn.ks').' etc [00:21:08] You can test faster if you don't have to type that, but ok [00:21:24] That's literally five seconds out of a five minute test [00:21:35] And it's a part I understand. :-) [00:22:12] So, what does your current PID declaration look like? [00:22:22] I am rewriting it to use the PIDLOOP() [00:22:39] ooooooo reaction motors on the fairings? ~4:00 in the vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU5KpfOT-_Y [00:22:40] YouTube - SpaceX Falcon 9 Launch, Boostback, Entry Burn - Iridium-4 - 2017-12-22 [00:23:53] Mathuin, oh, were you writing your own? [00:24:02] lordcirth: I was following the tutorial. [00:24:03] mrBlaQ, yeah, they have RCS on the fairings to help recover [00:26:05] lordcirth: https://hastebin.twilley.org/toyirogixu.ks [00:27:43] That's rewritten. [00:29:28] lordcirth: that's neat to see them testing that. I'm aware of that net capture ship that's started showing up [00:32:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:41:40] Mathuin, that seems reasonable, but where are you locking Throttle to MYTHROT? [00:46:31] The section of code I shared with you started at line 87 in my script. Line 48 has "LOCK THROTTLE TO MYTHROT." [00:47:02] And crap, it's time to stop playing and go pick up my wife at work. [00:48:11] When I run the full script on this craft, the PID loop section runs at full throttle for a few seconds. [00:48:22] Which is not what I expecegtd. [00:53:42] Mathuin, when working with PID's, it's best to print an info screen every loop for debugging [01:17:09] Where would you put the printf? [01:28:48] I put the printf in the until loop, and it ran a zillion times. The PID:UPDATE value was 0 throughout, which meant a zero change in throttle, which means I need to fix my assignment. [01:29:16] But I do not think TIME:SECONDS and ETA:APOAPSIS are the right valeus for PID:UPDATE either. [01:30:10] I guess it is, I just looked at the documentation. [01:30:48] THis is black magic. [02:18:03] any mods on? [02:22:50] ?? [02:47:30] Mathuin, it's best to put a Wait 0.1. or so in the loop [02:56:22] :3 [03:35:46] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIASPc89Sgk [03:35:46] YouTube - The Future of Space Telescopes | Space Time [04:04:40] Does anyone know if I can use a joystick with KSP that has a different range than what the game expects? e.g. joystick is -36000 fully left and 36000 is fully right, but KSP expects from 0-250 or something. Is there a way to change the range or something? [04:05:08] I would really prefer this joystick to be compatible x.x [04:18:58] the values in windows calibration are not the values seen by unity [04:19:41] dnf config-manager --add-repo=https://negativo17.org/repos/fedora-steam.repo [04:19:49] woops wrong terminal sorry [04:20:44] So should it work and I'm having a different issue than I think? [04:20:45] although linux may be messier [04:21:17] Yeah I was hoping there might be a difference in the drivers and see if I get lucky for once. [04:21:35] It has ran for me great on linux I just don't know how this joystick will work [04:22:14] I didn't even know joystick could work [04:26:57] I remember the days of flightstick.... now it's hard to find a good one. It's all just gamepads :/ [04:29:02] It's not just me? It seems like everything tends to center around gamepads now [04:29:24] It's been that way for more then a decade [04:30:23] Maybe it's just me getting really salty at console ports that were designed around the gamepad but require the kb/m. [04:31:14] Nah. The PC gaming market is secondary [04:33:24] So KSP is seeing what windows reports the joystick is doing and there might be a different issue? [04:33:43] probably. It's Unity doing all the work [04:33:54] Didn't know KSP supported Joysticks [04:33:56] Everything works and I have the joystick configured in the options but in flight its pinned to one side while I'm centered [04:40:40] is it just in ksp or is it the same in other games? [04:41:07] I can't confirm KSP is the only game I have that is joystick compatible x.x [04:43:22] you could take advantage of the Steam refund system to try something else [04:44:23] I realize thats not really helpful. sorry [04:44:43] No worries I should test to see if it is KSP [04:45:54] unity is likely the problem source [04:46:00] unity doesn't work with my joystick either [04:46:21] this_guy: https://itch.io/games/free/input-joystick/unity [04:48:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm2vW-PNeTY this guy has the same problem as me with my joystick in ksp (and other unity games) [04:48:51] YouTube - KSP - Joystick problems [04:49:05] brb restarting to test it [04:56:35] Supernovy: have I ever shown you my greatest work of art in hearts of iron [04:56:51] probably [04:57:00] http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=766874314 [04:57:40] belgium never looked so nice [04:58:13] They were trying to grab Ypres. [05:08:24] Ok back [05:08:31] likewise... c_C [05:20:01] aaaaaaaanyways [05:44:10] Well as it turns out the default windows drive does work correctly [05:44:45] The only problem is the keys conflict between the throttle controller and the joystick. I think I might be able to get the software that came with it to report different settings [05:47:19] I wonder how that happened [05:48:12] The default windows drive assigns the buttons sequentially with a generic name so KSP sees both as the same thing. EG joystickbutton0 [05:49:36] oh, these are two different pieces of hardware? [05:51:42] Yep. And the software that came with it had the creative solution of tricking the OS into seeing them as one device and managing the settings itself. The only trouble is anything more advanced than basic configuring requires knowing some of the scripting language thats specific to this device [05:52:35] I'm half temped to take the victory of the joystick and use my keyboard for buttons but I am going into computer science so..../sigh [06:11:23] And now I have a different problem. When flying a rocket the roll and yaw now need to be switched [06:16:09] Oh hey theres a mod. Epic win [06:33:29] I tend to just use joystick for plane and keyboard for rocket [06:34:27] wake me up when there is a flat earth mod [06:34:50] hehe [06:35:23] just turn the real gravity off and have kerbin accellerate 1g upwards [06:36:52] Action: UmbralRaptor has questions involving centrifugal force, transverse force, and coriolis force. [06:37:21] don't we all? [06:38:12] :3 [06:39:51] mabus, flat kerbin mod is called version 0.1 lol [06:45:55] Action: UmbralRaptor meo﹕ at ConductorCat [06:46:46] WOOOT success [06:47:47] \o/ [06:51:21] Woo [06:51:25] Payday [06:51:27] Boo [06:51:30] Bills [06:53:42] Latest check means I can make rent. \o/ [06:55:31] My rent has an extra few hundred tacked on because I need to extend the insurance outside of my original end date :/ [06:56:30] So I am either going to continue being in Japan or I am gonna have to move out by February [06:57:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:57:46] =\ [07:00:02] I don't really mind one way or another. But visa processes are a chore [07:00:41] :| [07:03:25] Guess I'll be working in South East Asia again. Lol [07:03:54] Singapore, Cambodia, etc [07:08:10] hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. [07:11:20] JCB: what frequency are you humming at [07:17:20] 440 Hz [07:17:40] For nefarious porpoises. [07:20:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:22:17] just pondering... streaming some random sandbox stuff [07:46:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:26:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [08:26:00] mmmmmm... oh candy -distracted [08:26:29] can't decide if being up late is a good thing or bad now [10:45:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:39:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:39:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:52:05] I was contacted by my old mechanics teacher, wants me to come play bass in his band [11:53:49] https://i.redd.it/6a1e49wbhe601.jpg [11:53:58] https://78.media.tumblr.com/fa47bb70138dc3a868a9bafbbd3cb95a/tumblr_p1gx2hAiQd1vnq1cro1_500.gif [11:54:13] A bit of an exaggeration but this is why I can't stand NDT [11:54:20] hehe [11:54:29] same [11:54:54] isn't he a theorical physicist or something? [11:56:46] Astrophysics, physical cosmology iirf [11:57:32] I remember in a video of smarter every day when he was like "a heli cannot fly if the engine dies it will jsut fall" I guess he was kinda playing a role but still [11:57:50] and he could tell me about how to cook food but I would still trust my grandma more [11:57:57] He's definitely smart... But he makes a lot of blunders on Twitter [11:58:32] Like when he said that bb8 rolling on the sand in Star wars was physically impossible [11:58:41] ehhh [11:59:00] don't talk about stuff outside your area of expertise neil [11:59:15] Then the Star wars people in the prop Dept sent him a video of the remote bb8 rolling on the dunes [11:59:18] you are a physicist but clearly not a mechanical engineer [11:59:32] every famous scientist does that. and it is well known that they all fail when they do [12:01:42] he does that pretty often [12:06:30] TheKosmonaut: It may depend on the sand [12:06:41] and the weight of a BB8 [12:06:53] What's a bb8? [12:07:13] (I have not watched Star Wars, so please don't kill me) [12:07:15] sand can be rock hard, but also like a fluid [12:07:21] a ball version of r2d2 [12:07:37] APlayer: I don't watch Star Wars either. But it's a rolling ball with a head that stays on top ;) [12:07:37] R2D2 is that robot assistant thingy? [12:07:45] yeah [12:07:45] yeah [12:07:51] that looks like a trash can [12:07:52] Alright, got it [12:08:45] and if the ball has a very smooth surface and is heavy and the sand is very fine grain BB8 might really be stuck there [12:09:16] And why exactly would it not be able to roll on sand? [12:09:18] he does have a lot of panels everywhere [12:10:20] APlayer: because the sand could act as ball bearing [12:10:29] Ah [12:10:42] I xould be more worried about wet sand sticking to it [12:10:49] mud. :D [12:10:51] Well, I guess that's called "traction" and a whole field of science on its own? [12:11:11] yeah [12:11:22] we were supposed to learn about that in mechanics but never did [12:12:19] So a rough surface would probably rather be able to roll on sand than a smooth surface [12:12:55] But it also depends on how the sand "flows" in itself and the friction force between the surface and the sand [12:13:01] https://blenderartists.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=415466&d=1450685852 [12:14:02] Looks pretty smooth to me [12:14:18] yeah bit at the joint between panels and stuff [12:14:28] I mean as long as it doesn't sing too low in the sand it should be fine [12:14:48] But still, the panels could have any sort of properties [12:15:21] I don't think a normal steel ball of this shape could roll on normal sand, but given special circumstances, why not? [12:16:11] steel ball yeah, but sphere :) [12:16:29] Given that such a thing would probably have been manufactured with extra traction (that's it's main propagation method, isn't it?) and Star Wars is science fiction, the panels could be made from any sort of grippy material [12:16:49] rubber paint? [12:17:05] Something like that [12:17:11] but it looks and sounds very metallic in the movies [12:17:13] Though it has to be durable [12:17:20] like only a thin layer of orange paint at most [12:17:59] Perhaps it is able to move its panels slightly in such a way that they scoop up sand? [12:18:07] yeah [12:18:11] that would probably do it [12:18:25] then it would be full of sand [12:19:19] Well, of course it would not allow the sand to actually get inside [12:20:07] I hate sand [12:20:07] It's coarse [12:20:14] And it gets everywhere [12:20:20] Action: APlayer gives TheKosmonaut fine sand [12:20:56] Action: TheKosmonaut floats a pear over to APlayer [12:21:17] we used to be lumnous beings, now we're just crude matter [12:22:22] sandbox: get out of here with your non-prequel memes [12:22:24] Last time I was on a camping place with lots of sand around was at least 6 years ago... Our camping chairs still have some sand here and there in them [12:22:40] i remember there was a simple example of ball rolling on plane and why resistant to its rolling is measured in meters [12:23:32] Action: TheKosmonaut is ready to communicate entirely in prequel meme [12:23:36] TheKosmonaut: I love sand. But only when I'm only wearing shorts and there's a shower nearby ;) [12:24:02] they have this thing in star wars called a repulsorlift [12:24:34] I guess the 50cm ball is too small to house a repulsor [12:26:57] It's mostly that Neil can be compared to Chief librarian Jedi Master Jocasta Nu [12:27:10] If it's not in the archives, it therefore didn't exist [12:27:29] This pridr was the downfall of the Jedi [12:27:34] It will be his too [12:28:06] Action: TheKosmonaut goes in search of more prequel references [12:30:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:33:02] Deddly: hello there! [12:33:13] Hey ho [12:35:25] !iH [12:39:21] yo ded [12:39:33] Yoyo [12:44:18] HI DEDDLY [12:45:11] Alrighty there Ezko_ [12:46:08] Does anyone here play Subspace Continuum? [12:49:54] Deddly: what's that [12:50:11] Is it edible? [12:50:59] Oh guys, you are missing out. It's one of the first ever online multiplayer games [12:51:20] Released 20 years ago [12:51:26] http://store.steampowered.com/app/352700/Subspace_Continuum/ [12:51:38] I've never come across something so addictive. [12:51:53] As they say: easy to learn, but takes a lifetime to master. [12:51:54] Oh. That game [12:52:01] Like PvP asteroids [12:52:21] tried factorio? some say it is really addictive [12:52:27] Yeah, you could put it that way [12:52:34] more like cracktorio [12:52:45] heh that's funny Truga [12:52:51] KSP players seem to appreciate a game with longevity, so I thought maybe there would be some players here [12:53:12] I've been playing that for 16 years, on and off [12:53:27] strange that i've never heard of it before [12:53:47] well gotta try some time [12:54:07] my last n2o canister is is empty now. gone. along with the cream that was in it [12:54:09] Just be aware that each zone is like a completely different game [12:54:17] factorio is basically [12:54:28] "hmm it's friday evening let's make a factory" [12:54:38] "what do you mean it's monday morning" [12:54:55] Althego did you make a rocket with it [12:54:57] what do you mean flash gordon approaching [12:55:05] no, i ate it [12:55:21] no2 is really good oxy [12:55:25] LOL, it /is/ edible [12:55:34] as a bonus, someone made a mod for factorio that converts rocket parts you make in factorio to extraplanetary launchpads rocket parts [12:55:35] Subspace Continuum is more like: "Damnit I'll get that guy this time. OK, THIS time. Wait, I know what I'm doing wrong. OK, THIS time. One more try. How did he do that??" [12:55:37] n2o [12:55:44] It's N2O, though [12:56:19] not written on it anywhere that it uses n2o. but to my best of knowledge cream uses that for gas [12:56:32] what food should i make today [12:56:39] I thought they used N2 [12:56:56] I should buy stuff from amzon and make a rocket with it [12:56:57] maybe latley it is n2 [12:57:03] parafin, n2o, some tubes [12:58:32] In Germany, I often see Nitrogen as "Treibmittel", and someone please find the correct English translation for that: https://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/uebersetzung/treibmittel.html [12:59:12] hybrid rocket, acrylic tube, with n2o oxidizer [12:59:13] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLPWqCMb7DE [12:59:14] YouTube - Hybrid rocket engine with acrylic and gaseous oxygen [13:00:29] nice thing is, you can see the flame [13:03:16] So he basically made a rocket engine out of pure rocket fuel? [13:03:27] Action: APlayer approves [13:03:30] hehe [13:03:39] several similar engines on youtube [13:05:27] aerospike nozzles are the best thing you might want [13:05:40] there must be a reason nobody uses them [13:05:47] very hard to cool [13:06:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co1f3P3yWPk [13:06:50] YouTube - Hybrid Rocket Motor Aerospike Nozzle Tests [13:07:10] yes this is many years old [13:07:20] some guy built one [13:07:22] yeah [13:07:28] but not even elon musk tries to use them [13:07:33] but doesn't change the fact that cooling an aerospike is hard [13:08:13] LOL Althego, this is a good point [13:08:13] ceramic spike.. [13:08:23] graphite [13:08:33] I guess [13:08:39] think better luck with linear spikes? [13:09:00] someone give me stuff to build a graphite/ceramic nozzle and I might build and engine [13:09:20] just build a really small one from a pencil :) [13:09:24] what about a granite nozzle?! [13:09:28] we have plenty of granite here! [13:09:31] that would melt [13:11:33] ok, with the usual regenerative cooling it doesnt need to be graphite [13:12:20] Doesn't graphite on its own burn? [13:12:45] careful with the cooling system.. was talk about temprature diferentials in metals and joints. [13:13:22] obviously the cooling of the nozzle alone is worth several books [13:13:48] rocket science is easy. rocket engineering is hard [13:14:36] i have tungsten, but a small piece [13:15:08] also a really hard material, not really workable with the usual methods [13:15:24] what [13:15:50] that piece i have is alloy and it is machinable [13:16:05] "In its raw form, tungsten is a hard steel-grey metal that is often brittle and hard to work." [13:16:33] ok it also says if it is very pure you can do stuff with it [13:16:42] Tungsten on its own is brittle, you need to mix stuff into it to make it softer [13:16:52] it's not raw, as i said it is alloyed but i don't know which alloy exactly it is [13:17:19] i guess it would be the one that gets harder after temperature treatment [13:17:49] I wonder, though, if you coat tungsten with ceramic on the outside, wouldn't that make a rather strong vessel to contain, say, a reactor core? [13:18:06] just 3d print it.. [13:18:10] oh wait... doh [13:18:34] combining different materials can be tricky because of thermal expansion [13:18:40] APlayer, it would become a cutting insert lol [13:18:57] Gasher: Sorry? [13:19:15] coating tungsen carbine with ceramics [13:19:20] * carbide [13:20:06] dad used to sell carbide cutting bits for mililng machines [13:20:31] APlayer, ceramics are brittle ... I fail to see how that would alter anything [13:20:59] Iskierka: They are, but they provide strength, don't they? [13:21:14] Not as much as something that wasn't brittle [13:21:32] more tungsten carbide would work better than a ceramic layer [13:21:51] Alright, tungsten carbide with titanium? [13:22:54] titanium isn't magic and if this was space-limited tungsten carbide would be better than almost everything else due to density [13:23:16] if mass limited then due to the likely cost to begin with you're probably better off with inconel [13:23:19] you cna also try silicone carbide and obron nitride for hardness [13:23:35] maybe al2o3 too [13:23:38] I'm not sure why a reactor would need hardness anyway [13:23:56] dunno [13:24:04] heat tolerance is probably more important [13:24:42] https://78.media.tumblr.com/aa7b63628ef35bc0a6d6e3df111c507a/tumblr_p1ly622E8Q1tz76r4o1_540.png [13:24:49] cute [13:24:49] What about reactors with stuff in them that expands? Like water? Or NTRs? [13:25:01] add expansion space [13:25:12] all reactors have components to manage that [13:25:12] as any water heating system has such [13:25:42] any interesting kerbal mission ideas? [13:25:55] and it's not unlikely that the metal would expand more than the water [13:28:33] Althego: Phobos-Grunt replica [13:28:51] Build aerospike out of copper and extend it out to make guidance fins/heat dissipaters ;) [13:30:23] Well, then not a reactor, but whatever that can be really hot and have a large pressure [13:30:30] ugh ok try for sleep now.. lates [13:30:30] and fail? i dont want to do that :) [13:30:47] Althego: And succeed [13:42:24] https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/improbableconstantchupacabra [13:42:27] hahaha. dont do that [13:46:06] "Magnesium does not react with water to any significant extent" [13:46:12] firefighters were taking correct action [13:48:37] chemically [13:48:58] still can be maybe a steam explosion [13:49:02] or something similar [13:49:28] which would be *technically* a risk in any fire, they must still make effort to suppress it [13:50:20] complete white, it looks like a cut in a movie [14:21:52] Looks like it did speed up the magnesium fire, though. This looked like magnesium fire white [14:22:43] Also, I thought magnesium reduces water? [14:24:25] Depends on temperature and surface area. [14:24:28] I'd say. [14:25:02] In Fukushima we got H2 from zirconium and hot water, IIRC, which caused the hall to explode. [14:25:03] Perhaps "Magnesium does not react with water to any significant extent" means that it does not produce significant amounts of Mg(OH)2? [14:26:05] We have a magnesium electrode in our water boiler. [14:26:16] I.e. it wouldn't do what alkali metals usually do in water [14:26:27] Maybe at 300 C. [14:26:35] However, if it is already burning... [14:26:47] Might burn in steam. [14:26:53] I guess it /would/ reduce water and produce hydrogen [14:27:15] It burns in CO2, IIRC. [14:27:28] (Iskierka ^ what do you say?) [14:29:07] https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/33167/why-does-burning-magnesium-explode-when-sprinkled-with-water/93986#93986 [14:29:40] apparently the body of my camera is magnesium [14:29:45] I have no idea why [14:30:45] Of course so it explodes if you put water on it! [14:31:01] https://youtu.be/2oQ_9nFe9HU?t=73 Magnesium Burning in CO2 [14:31:02] YouTube - Fire and Flame 38 - Magnesium Burning in CO2 [14:31:05] because it sounds cool of course [14:31:15] I guess I can also scrape a knife on it and make fire if I need [14:31:58] I suppose it's a bit lighter than aluminimun [14:32:10] can I get a camera made of aluminium/lithium alloy? [14:32:16] or is it too overkill [14:32:40] like some aircraft grade material [14:32:51] go for metallic hydrogen [14:33:08] I guess [14:33:14] what about the optics? [14:33:27] force fields [14:33:50] like micro black holes for gravity lensing? [14:33:52] Germanium sounds OK for IR optics [14:34:20] https://i.imgur.com/5x2fNqS.mp4 [14:34:22] Also good if someone attacks you, you just throw the camera at them and watch them get cancer [14:34:59] eh [14:35:10] I do want some old school lens with thorium [14:35:13] those are cool [14:36:05] https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/276117d1437528303-asahi-pentax-super-takumar-50mm-f-1-4-lens-radioactive-lens.jpg [14:36:25] let's see [14:36:27] I also need a 300mm lens and a 10mm one [14:37:23] That quote needs to be highlighted for being awesome in every possible way. [14:37:27] radioactive stuff in photography seems like a bad idea for image quality [14:37:58] they used thorium power to take care of chromatic abberations before more modern stuff was invented [14:38:25] and they give a nice color to the picture because they turn yellow/brown over time [14:38:31] and they aren't that radioactive [14:38:47] won't keep it on my camera all the time however [14:38:52] https://youtu.be/zCzghhvufR8?t=158 Burning Magnesium in Steam produces hydrogen [14:38:52] YouTube - Burning Magnesium in Steam | Morning of Chemistry 2013 [14:39:03] but it's probably only some alpha and beta particles [14:45:31] https://qz.com/1165775/googles-voice-generating-ai-is-now-indistinguishable-from-humans/ [14:45:56] LOL Deddly, don't take my jokes seriously :P [14:46:20] It made me chuckle :) [14:46:56] haha probably dissociates the water [14:47:08] happens in case of very hot materials [14:50:41] Althego, I think I can tell which one is which in that page. Would be interesting if I am wrong [14:51:43] In the two comparisons, I feel strongly that the first sample in both is generated. [14:51:46] https://i.imgur.com/EqN9i3f.jpg [14:51:50] ~stealth~ [14:52:26] washington gen is the first [14:52:26] who could guess [14:52:30] lipstick gen is the second [14:52:41] Althego, is that so? [14:53:20] the bus doesnt have gen [14:53:25] Althego, the first lipstick one sounded really generated to me, lol. [14:53:38] it still may be [14:53:40] who knows [14:53:56] Althego, oh I thought you went into the code of the web site like they said [14:54:12] that is what i did [14:54:27] but that is only the filename [14:54:34] And it says the second lipstick one is generated? [14:55:27] the _gen more to the right than the _gt in case of lipstick [14:57:27] Of course, knowing them, they could have renamed them to fool geeks like us [14:57:47] that wouldn't be particularly useful since they want labelling they understand [14:57:51]