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[00:56:50] <UmbralRaptor> Intermittent reminder that you may be accidentally banned on the wiki due to my spambot fights. Please contact me if this is the case.
[01:42:22] <dlrk> Hey guys.
[01:42:30] <KrazyKrl> k
[01:42:41] <dlrk> Just wanted to ask/check is FAR and DRE still under development?
[01:45:46] <mischief> this mission sent me on a strange orbit
[01:45:51] <mischief> how do i get home ;_;
[01:46:34] <mischief> oh duh
[01:46:35] <mischief> just escape
[02:13:20] <Tank2333> is FAR being developed? 
[03:23:03] <UmbralRaptor> I think so? Ferram4 might have finally found a job, though. 
[04:15:27] <TheKosmonaut> He was hired by Earth to improve the aerodynamics model
[04:43:53] <Althego> https://newatlas.com/centauro-robot-disaster-relief/55627/
[04:48:10] <Tank2333> im not impressed
[04:48:23] <Althego> legs with wheels. it is almost a tachikoma :)
[04:49:54] <Tank2333> not that part, but how slow and long it takes for the actions, in comparison to the Boston dynamics ones
[04:50:28] <Tank2333> dont tachikomas have 6 legs?
[04:50:45] <Althego> they should have more because they are spiders, but they have actually only gour
[04:50:49] <Tank2333> plus one machine gun?
[04:51:30] <Tank2333> ah alright, so long since i watched GITS
[04:52:29] <mischief> i want a tachikoma in ksp now :(
[04:54:51] <Althego> what, she was here?
[04:55:36] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv0o_nUFTKw
[04:55:36] <kmath> YouTube - Mars seen by Hubble 2018
[04:57:04] <mischief> ok
[04:57:06] <mischief> time to land minimus.
[04:57:19] <Althego> minmus
[04:57:29] <mischief> MINNIE MOUSE
[04:57:34] <Althego> you cant land minmus on kerbin because it is on rails
[04:59:14] <mischief> you can't push planets out of orbit? :p
[04:59:21] <Althego> not in ksp
[04:59:26] <mischief> booo
[04:59:44] <Althego> maybe with the mod that givees them proper orbits
[05:02:14] <mischief> why are they not proper already
[05:02:18] <Tank2333> i just watched The Expanse and earth blow up Deimos with a nuke so that video is Fake News
[05:02:24] <mischief> also, minmus seems very wee
[05:02:31] <mischief> compared to mun i guess
[05:03:22] <Tank2333> because of Einstein
[05:03:29] <JVFoxy> lol.. good luck even pushing a small moon.
[05:03:40] <JVFoxy> Scott did a video on it.. you'd need more mass than the moon itself
[05:03:43] <Tank2333> he made gravity too complicated
[05:03:51] <Althego> yes that was an old video
[05:03:53] <Althego> maybe with gilly
[05:04:10] <Althego> but ultimately they are on rails anyway
[05:04:14] <Tank2333> i remember that you cant realy do it with rockets
[05:04:26] <Tank2333> you would need more fuel that the moon has mass
[05:04:27] <Tank2333> or so
[05:04:45] <Tank2333> that=than
[05:05:43] <JVFoxy> heh.. old because its only been a few years and he's put out so many videos..?
[05:06:05] <Tank2333> been a few years i think
[05:06:37] <JVFoxy> I have to ask about the meaning of 'old' these days... mostly since, 'oh, you've had your phone a few years? Thats old'.. really..?
[05:06:48] <Althego> yes that is old
[05:07:44] <Tank2333> im not 13 so i have a sense of time :)
[05:08:41] <JVFoxy> the ground you stand on is old...
[05:08:54] <Tank2333> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G01NoaTM46o
[05:08:54] <kmath> YouTube - What does it Take To Deorbit A Moon In Kerbal Space Program
[05:08:56] <Tank2333> 5 years
[05:09:00] <mischief> should i be landing on the lakes of minmus?
[05:09:07] <mischief> landing on the mountains seems trecharous
[05:09:12] <Tank2333> yes
[05:09:25] <JVFoxy> I guess the fact that companies keep pushign you to buy the latest products all the time, doesn't really help matters
[05:09:35] <Supercheese> Minmus' flats are a godsend
[05:09:42] <Supercheese> most planets are filled with steep slopes everywhere
[05:09:47] <Althego> my phone is already older than 2 years
[05:09:50] <Supercheese> but Minmus has those delicious flats
[05:09:55] <Supercheese> easy mode
[05:10:05] Action: JVFoxy only been through two models of flipphones since... ealry 2000s.. he's fixed them as needed.. has spares
[05:10:28] <Althego> probably i will need to replace the battery soon, but for that have to take it to some shop (built in). or i can just buy a new one next year
[05:10:34] <JVFoxy> avoid the poles.. at least on mun... elevation changes get stupidly exagerated
[05:10:38] <Tank2333> my on is only one and a half and it is starting to get slower... i think android is rigged
[05:10:47] <Althego> on duna too
[05:11:00] <Althego> and of course there is the mohole
[05:11:15] <Tank2333> is it still there?
[05:11:23] <Althego> it has its own biome now
[05:11:32] <Tank2333> oh ok
[05:11:33] <Althego> so it is there permanently, part of the lore
[05:11:42] <Tank2333> true
[05:11:45] <Althego> originally was a terrain glitch
[05:12:04] <Tank2333> yeah i know, but never went there
[05:12:31] <Althego> heh something crazy happened to the tests again
[05:13:25] <Tank2333> wich tests?
[05:14:01] <JVFoxy> interesting its only moho.. not any other planet/moon
[05:14:21] <Althego> the product. but as i am not going to do any work today it has to remain a mystery. it loks like some infrastructure problem
[05:14:33] <JVFoxy> first time I came across 'moho' as a weird was back in the Total Annihilation game.
[05:14:39] <Althego> there is a peak on duna
[05:14:42] <JVFoxy> weird->word
[05:14:48] <Althego> the moho mine
[05:14:55] <Althego> protect the moho mine at all cost
[05:15:11] <JVFoxy> stil have it.. not played in a while since got new machine going. :(
[05:15:15] <Althego> just played through ta last week
[05:15:37] <Althego> but if your map is smaller than the screen it can easily crash
[05:15:48] <Althego> had to change the resolution from full to avoid that :)
[05:16:19] <mischief> okay
[05:16:26] <mischief> so i should go to the flats of minmus?
[05:16:34] <Althego> that is the easiest
[05:16:42] <Althego> they are exactly at 0 altitude and completely smooth
[05:16:53] <KrazyKrl> Naa... run full 5:4 at 1350x1080 stretched.
[05:16:59] <mischief> i see a rather nice spot
[05:17:21] <Althego> 2560x1600 is too big :)
[05:17:48] <KrazyKrl> you mean your monitor is too small.
[05:17:58] <mischief> https://i.imgur.com/lwhl7aY.jpg
[05:18:02] <mischief> that flat bit yeah?
[05:18:02] <Althego> no, tha maps are too small
[05:18:16] <Althego> yes any of that
[05:18:25] <mischief> excellent
[05:18:28] <mischief> let's go
[05:18:34] <Althego> if you land near the hills, you can get biome data from the slopes and highlands
[05:18:40] <JVFoxy> I'd probably still play it on my older machine
[05:18:42] <Althego> with small hops or with eva
[05:18:56] <JVFoxy> I never got around to installing the DVD drive on this new box
[05:19:03] <mischief> Althego: i'm not that adventurous
[05:19:07] <mischief> this is career mode too :P
[05:19:11] <mischief> no antenna, forgot
[05:19:13] <mischief> oops
[05:19:14] <Althego> at least take surface sample
[05:19:17] <Althego> hehe
[05:19:24] <KrazyKrl> The last time i needed to use a DVD drive... was to install command and conquer the first decade.
[05:19:24] <mischief> yeah
[05:19:27] <mischief> my craft is pretty big
[05:19:33] <mischief> i have the seismic sensor too
[05:19:34] <KrazyKrl> and that was like 10 years ago.
[05:20:08] <mischief> my lander is 19 t
[05:20:10] <mischief> O_O
[05:20:36] <KrazyKrl> I don't know if that's good or bad mischief.
[05:20:41] <Althego> clearly a hopper
[05:21:05] <Althego> remember there is tons of science on minmus, hop throuogh all of the biomes for best result
[05:21:13] <KrazyKrl> i mean... it certainly could be an ore container.
[05:21:41] <JVFoxy> I have a game a friend gave me on DVD... held on to it just in case... machien built, forgot DVD... eventually got one, just never stuck it in... ya sorry lazy somewhat. >.<
[05:21:47] <mischief> https://i.imgur.com/IjGFlfu.jpg
[05:21:51] <mischief> bit large eh
[05:22:19] <Althego> i would have taken only a scientist so that there is more delta v for hoppin g:)
[05:23:22] <KrazyKrl> yep... just take a scientist in a single man pod... then use an advanced probe core if you need SAS capability.
[05:24:21] <KrazyKrl> and that kinda looks like mine, lol. https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/719792474331682492/99852401018574767690DE50E24CD0AC32095CAB/
[05:24:37] <JVFoxy> reading up on this surface science pack.. need at least eng and sci guy to put things together, make it of use... pilot optional since core could probably help
[05:25:06] <mischief> your kerbal looks like he ate too much sugar
[05:25:09] <KrazyKrl> isn't the lander can 2 crew?
[05:25:36] <Althego> the bigger one
[05:25:50] <mischief> this is the command pod Mk1-3
[05:25:54] <mischief> 3-man ship
[05:26:15] <Tank2333> oh wow... the "inline image" option from this irc client does work
[05:26:26] <KrazyKrl> i know what the 3 man capsule is. but you don't really need a pilot due to the previously mentioned probe cores.
[05:26:51] <mischief> my current lander only has "Spark" and "Twitch" engines
[05:26:57] <mischief> takes a while to get anything done
[05:27:05] <Tank2333> nice little ship
[05:27:31] <KrazyKrl> well... all you need is enough dV on launch to get home, or to the reentry vehicle.
[05:27:53] <mischief> i made it :-D
[05:28:06] <mischief> KrazyKrl: yeah thats what the 4 twitch engines are for
[05:28:22] <mischief> they are surprisingly strong for their size
[05:28:38] <KrazyKrl> they have among the best dV of any engine iirc.
[05:29:29] <Althego> but they are nowhere as op as they used to be in the old days
[05:29:29] <KrazyKrl> And then you have those things where you go "what have I done?" https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/719791555825337090/0151BE422A5543C4F2BFFF9854584934EC44C4B0/
[05:29:57] <Althego> looks like a science plane thing
[05:31:00] <KrazyKrl> why i needed like 6 of each experiment, i have no idea.
[05:31:16] <JVFoxy> terrier does good, poodle is best
[05:31:33] <JVFoxy> though.. twitch I find comes out a little better in some cases
[05:31:41] <JVFoxy> ... or spark..
[05:32:20] <Tank2333> terrier is the 404?
[05:32:22] <Althego> the non radial version is always better
[05:32:36] <Althego> 909
[05:32:42] <Tank2333> right
[05:32:50] <Althego> 404 is the http error code :)
[05:32:53] <Tank2333> lol 404 is "no engine found"
[05:32:57] <Tank2333> yeah
[05:33:25] <Tank2333> i think i diodnt played much after they startet naming the engines 
[05:33:54] <mischief> looks like green cheese out here
[05:33:56] <mischief> https://i.imgur.com/ihEZBcY.jpg
[05:34:38] <mischief> buzz kerman's mouth is simply agape in awe
[05:34:47] <Althego> supposedly it is mint icecream
[05:34:59] <Althego> as the science texts say
[05:35:09] <mischief> i want mint icecream :(
[05:35:16] <KrazyKrl> And then you have Jeb: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/717539469034138788/381EEB707F31C51667B933C87212C56D9DE4C725/
[05:35:36] <Althego> lol
[05:35:41] <Tank2333> lol
[05:35:51] <Tank2333> retirement pod 
[05:35:57] <mischief> i don't get it
[05:35:59] <Althego> coffin?
[05:36:18] <KrazyKrl> Jeb "Get off my plane" Kerman
[05:40:29] <JVFoxy> ... ok now I have to find a pic of jeb.. when I did my first mun landing with hi..
[05:47:19] <JVFoxy> here we go...
[05:47:21] <JVFoxy> https://imgur.com/a/JpH6qVv
[05:47:41] <Althego> hehe
[05:47:51] <JVFoxy> I guess I used a booster to drop my descent down so much, the shroud landed safely.
[05:47:57] <JVFoxy> this was back...
[05:48:13] <JVFoxy> late june 2014
[05:48:39] <JVFoxy> KSP V0.23.5 
[05:49:26] <Supercheese> Jeb-in-the-Box
[05:49:32] <mischief> i am doing what you guys suggested
[05:49:34] <mischief> hopping around
[05:49:42] <mischief> i have enough fuel this time and the gravity is so small..
[05:51:17] <JVFoxy> well.. guess jeb hide-and-seek in a can... no lid
[05:55:18] <mischief> i found midlands on minmus which are 3.2km up ... where the heck are highlands
[05:58:27] <JVFoxy> https://i.imgur.com/7TyX3X3.png
[05:58:58] <JVFoxy> looks like most of them closer to the poles, spotty other places
[05:59:08] <mischief> idk if i'll make it this trip :v
[05:59:18] <mischief> i have like 400 science already, so that's okay..
[05:59:27] <mischief> maybe more like 600 idk
[05:59:36] <JVFoxy> don't get too ambitious...
[06:00:17] <mischief> maybe even more
[06:00:22] <mischief> let's land and find out :-D
[06:02:57] <JVFoxy> just imagine, "sir.. why are all our missions rescue missions?"
[06:03:04] <Althego> hehe
[06:06:10] <JVFoxy> in my defense, "Well.. I had to assign someone to go get all them crew, those non-name companies keep stranding out there. I'd get Jeb to do it but he thinks rescue missions are silly.. or something"
[06:09:01] <JVFoxy> speaking of rescue contracts...
[06:09:34] <JVFoxy> when you go out and rescue a kerbal on a contract, the pod, usually doesn't have a flag right?
[06:12:40] <mischief> never seen a flag
[06:13:09] <mischief> all mine have just been command pods
[06:13:13] <mischief> or crew cabins..
[06:13:22] <mischief> wow
[06:13:30] <mischief> 1789 science!
[06:14:06] <JVFoxy> kay.. just sometimes I wonder if its another company stranding their kerbals.. or they doing it themselves..
[06:14:31] <JVFoxy> oh no.. independent self controlling kerbals launching themselves into space
[06:27:23] Action: Tortoise767 wishes automatic account deletion due to inactivity didn't exist
[07:01:24] <KrazyKrl> wat,
[07:01:56] <KrazyKrl> unless you paid money for a permanent slot on a server someplace, there must always be a purge.
[07:06:02] <JVFoxy> 'THE Purge!'
[07:06:50] <KrazyKrl> it's like fight club, but instead of fists, it's nothing... and instead of soap, it's also nothing.
[07:07:34] <JVFoxy> whats worse.. space or digital oblivion?
[07:08:08] <KrazyKrl> well, one is in tamriel; and the other would be <censored> sweet!
[07:09:18] <JVFoxy> ok guess I lost things.. I never quite got into elderscrolls /that/ much
[07:13:21] <JVFoxy> I was thinking more purge system on spacecraft vs purge system on computer server data base
[07:29:13] <mischief> so.. this rescue mission is at 180 degrees from my orbit around minmus
[07:29:24] <mischief> think i can flip my ship around?
[07:30:11] <mischief> guess im not going *that* fast
[07:30:12] <mischief> lets try
[07:32:51] <Althego> hah scott an hour ago
[07:41:09] <mischief> ok
[07:41:13] <mischief> reverse successful
[07:41:29] <mischief> now, do i try landing again on minmus or just go home with my two rescued people..
[07:42:09] <Althego> depends on fuel
[07:42:24] <Althego> more minmus landings, more science
[07:42:27] <mischief> a fair bit
[07:42:38] <mischief> my landing kegs are nearly full
[07:43:04] <mischief> and the tank directly under the command pod is full, not even used yet
[07:43:13] <Althego> go for it
[07:43:31] <mischief> only took me a tiny bit of fuel for two rescues which had opposite orbits, i'm surprised
[07:43:55] <mischief> i think minmus is easier than mun :)
[07:44:36] <Althego> it is
[07:44:39] <Althego> and better
[07:44:42] <Althego> more science
[07:44:53] <mischief> word
[07:44:53] <Althego> the mun has more biomes
[07:44:59] <mischief> last trip got me 1800 science :)
[07:45:03] <Althego> but you have top foight hard to get them
[07:45:10] <Althego> on minmus you can just milk it forever
[07:45:24] <Althego> basically you can get the whole tech tree
[07:45:24] <mischief> forever?
[07:45:44] <Althego> maybe not in hard mode, then a few nodes will be unfilled on the highest level
[07:54:33] <mischief> my navball is wrong :(
[07:55:47] <Althego> or in the wrong mode
[07:56:01] <mischief> it's rocket mode
[07:56:10] <Althego> no such mode
[07:56:19] <mischief> sorry
[07:56:21] <mischief> staging mode
[07:56:43] <Althego> that is not the navball mode
[07:56:48] <mischief> it says i'm in orbit moving at 10.0 m/s and my prograde and retrograde are inverted
[07:57:03] <mischief> where is mode shown?
[07:57:27] <Althego> it is probably the control from here menu what you want
[07:57:35] <Althego> so if you have a probe core or docking port or such
[07:57:40] <Althego> you can be useing the wrong one
[07:57:51] <mischief> just a command pod
[07:57:56] <mischief> i'm landed on the surface o_O
[07:57:56] <Althego> or in orbit mode while you are near the surface
[07:58:09] <Althego> if you click the navball now, does the speed change?
[07:58:14] <Althego> (it should)
[07:58:26] <mischief> ooh
[07:58:32] <mischief> i didn't know you could click the words
[07:58:34] <Althego> in surface mode it is relative to the surface
[07:58:42] <Althego> in orbit mode it is relative to the center of the planet
[07:58:44] <mischief> now it shows surface 0.0m/s
[07:58:49] <mischief> makes more sense xD
[07:59:08] <Althego> you can use this to see the surface speed on the launchpad for example
[07:59:15] <Althego> normally it transitions automatically
[07:59:17] <Althego> but sometimes not
[07:59:26] <Althego> or you want to switch back to surface mode for contracts
[07:59:34] <Althego> (fly x speed, it is always surface speed)
[08:00:22] <Althego> hehe https://i.redd.it/risgqhdyl4c11.png
[08:00:53] <Althego> oh wait a sec we have 1.4.5
[08:00:58] Action: mischief squints
[08:01:01] <mischief> does that actually work
[08:01:07] <Althego> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/177076-kerbal-space-program-145-and-making-history-14-is-live/
[08:01:54] <Althego> https://i.redd.it/yk0516ggn0c11.jpg
[08:02:41] <Althego> obviously it happened around midnight
[08:02:45] <Althego> i expected it next week
[08:19:25] <Althego> not much of a reéease
[09:18:37] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[09:23:52] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8dEwUD6fXs
[09:23:52] <kmath> YouTube - VSS Unity | Third Rocket Powered Flight
[09:24:02] <Althego> maybe something happens over there too
[09:24:14] <Althego> they started before everybody else, and they are only a runner up
[09:24:25] <Rolf> so kerbian design
[09:24:33] <Rolf> 3 planes bolted together ;)
[09:27:12] <mischief> some kind of ssto?
[09:27:16] <Althego> isnt it kerbal rather than kerbian
[09:27:21] <mischief> or space plane
[09:27:22] <Althego> no orbit
[09:27:24] <Althego> just suborbital
[09:27:41] <Rolf> possibly
[09:29:48] <mischief> this mission just says 'reocver a module without damaging it too much'
[09:29:54] <mischief> what is too much and how do i do that :v
[09:30:18] <Althego> there is no partial damage in stock
[09:30:32] <Rolf> damhing too much means poof I guess
[09:30:39] <Althego> except maybe landing legs and wheels
[09:31:06] <mischief> the module is purported to weight 2.5t
[09:31:14] <Althego> but the parts are usually cabins, tanks, engines
[09:31:25] <mischief> how the heck will i get some random 2.5t thing back to kerbin without it blowing up while deorbiting
[09:31:33] <Althego> once i had to recover an empty shuttle solid booster from a crater on the mun
[09:31:35] <Althego> that was hard
[09:31:52] <Rolf> mischief: any dock on it?
[09:32:01] <mischief> idk, didn't accept mission yet
[09:32:03] <Rolf> if it has, dock something with LOT of paracles on it
[09:32:14] <Rolf> cant spell that word
[09:32:21] <Althego> you need the claw, and some serious delta v reserve
[09:32:25] <Althego> and also parachutes
[09:32:30] <Rolf> ah yes the claw
[09:32:43] <Althego> but you get these contracts only after you have the claw
[09:32:50] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Esh4W3dfI
[09:32:51] <kmath> YouTube - Toy Story - The Claw
[09:33:08] <mischief> i guess i just need to have a lot of fuel left for retrograde burn when deorbiting
[09:33:13] <mischief> so i don't burn up..
[09:33:54] <Althego> also reentry burn to not burn up
[09:34:09] <mischief> thats what i mean :P
[09:37:01] <Deddly> Cargo plane :) 
[09:37:15] <Althego> here is one with text for rolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oowYF3QIO3c
[09:37:16] <kmath> YouTube - 'Beautiful Black Sky' - Virgin Galactic's VSS Unity Flies Higher Than Ever
[09:37:18] <Althego> mostly correct
[09:37:35] <Althego> amazing view not amazing for
[09:37:37] <Rolf> cool :)
[09:37:52] <Althego> it is from the pilots
[09:38:27] <Rolf> I wouldnt know if I would accept if somehow magucally they invite me to ride in one
[09:38:50] <Althego> as with everything wait 10 years when it becomes cheap
[09:39:08] <Althego> although i waited far more than that and they still didnt start business
[09:41:16] <Althego> however good these automatic subtitling algorithms are, they still fail really badly. even in a relatively clear english that has no strange accent
[09:41:38] <Rolf> consider 3 years ago
[09:41:43] <Rolf> it was much much worse
[09:41:51] <Rolf> wouldnt be able to even tell what topic was about
[09:41:57] <Althego> lol
[09:42:07] <Rolf> nowdays its pretty amazing, so good I can figure glitch words by context
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[09:47:20] <Althego> ready aplayer one? :)
[09:47:32] <Rolf> lol
[09:47:34] <APlayer> Ready for what?
[09:47:50] Action: APlayer didn't get the joke :-(
[09:47:59] <Althego> i dont know, neither read the book or watched the movie
[09:48:04] <Althego> nor
[09:48:20] <Althego> if there is nor in the english language, why is there no nand? :)
[09:48:55] <Althego> this was the jok https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1677720/
[09:49:15] <Rolf> movie was fun!
[09:50:18] <Rolf> havent read book, has it but in a large queue
[09:50:31] <Althego> hwhw
[09:50:31] <Rolf> currently reading Hunted Earth omnibus
[09:51:02] <Althego> i know a guy who has a a lot of books in his queue. he stacks them on top of each other, forming an 1.5 m tower
[09:51:09] <Althego> new ones go to the bottom
[09:51:29] <Rolf> heh mines at few hundreds
[09:51:38] <Rolf> thankfully they all stack into zero height
[09:53:04] <Rolf> I think book queue, if not refilled, will last around 300 days
[09:53:10] <Rolf> or somewhat less than full year
[09:53:46] <Rolf> reading around 300 page a day so yeah I read books very fast
[10:06:08] <Rolf> wanna know something sad?
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[10:06:21] <Rolf> futuristic movie 2001 should have happened 17 years ago
[10:06:46] <Rolf> where is our long spceship drat
[10:07:04] <Althego> longship is long
[10:07:17] <Rolf> its perfect size for long cats
[10:08:58] <Rolf> ummmmm
[10:09:11] <Rolf> apparently google has specific code for "long cats"
[10:09:14] <Rolf> google it
[10:16:36] <Althego> doesnt really look like that
[10:17:04] <Rolf> you dont get "18 inches" and subtitle of "without tail"?
[10:17:16] <Althego> no
[10:17:36] <Althego> gives me result about how long cats live
[10:17:58] <Althego> and longcat picture from know your meme
[10:18:02] <Althego> quite realistic result
[10:18:23] <Rolf> weird. lol
[10:19:59] <Rolf> did you google long cat or long cats?
[10:23:06] <Rolf> the anti-long cat https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/7/74/Short_cat2.jpg
[10:25:57] <Althego> no use, doesnt happen with any of those
[10:26:03] <Rolf> weird
[10:27:21] <Althego> https://twitter.com/SmashRiot/status/1022518849848180736
[10:27:22] <kmath> <SmashRiot> Unity has done it again.  One of our artists left Unity idling over night and got this very personal email from Uni& https://t.co/Pk2bgjAAp7
[10:27:43] <Althego> even i would leave an editor open just to get a personal email from alejandra :)
[10:28:07] <Rolf> leave it long enough and they will finish project for you
[10:28:30] <Althego> i would probably sooner write my own engine than to learn an existing one
[10:32:07] <Epi> I would live with stats collection than make my own engine beyond a 2d game, 3d maths melts my brain most times
[10:43:22] <Althego> heh a friend of mine is in the country again. and just today there is going to be an unusually long lunar eclipse
[10:44:37] <Althego> have to convince people to walk up the hill so that we can see it
[11:13:38] <mischief> the 1.25m shell can't hold a relay scanner :(
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[13:36:09] <Althego> there was no wintergatan video this week. also fluburtur is missing
[13:53:23] <APlayer> France must have disappeared
[13:53:32] <APlayer> That's the only plausible explanation
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[14:03:48] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: the Romans decided to reclaim Gaul
[14:04:12] <Althego> at least they bring peace :)
[14:07:59] <UmbralRaptor> Desert Romana
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[16:01:09] <JVFoxy> Romanian desert.. or dessert?
[16:02:55] <kubi> 1.4.5?
[16:03:49] <JVFoxy> ... actually, I was going to ask. Would it be worth doing a building aircraft tutorial video for KSP?
[16:06:39] <JVFoxy> of course.. it be nice if I could get a proper mic for my pc.. :\
[16:12:31] <UmbralRaptor> looks like 1.4.5 is actually out now 
[16:13:10] <JVFoxy> they going to keep 1.4.4 available till mod builders are able to migrate to the new version?
[16:18:29] <JVFoxy> ok so... 1.4.4 replaced with 1.4.5...
[16:18:35] <JVFoxy> what issues did 1.4.5 have?
[16:18:47] <JVFoxy> er.. sorry what issues did 1.4.4 have that they removed it completely?
[16:20:02] <JVFoxy> looks like I missed out on 1.4.4, sigh oh well
[16:23:07] <JVFoxy> guess people still in morning mode huh?
[16:28:56] <UmbralRaptor> Various bug fixes. 
[16:29:14] <JVFoxy> guess I just worry, might miss on something
[16:29:30] <JVFoxy> I know a lot of mod developers haven't even caught up to 1.4.4 yet
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[17:02:01] <Neal> my mods keep giving me warnings that they aren't compatible with KSP 1.3
[17:02:20] <Neal> it's been that long since I've updated them and everything still works *shrug*
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[18:28:05] <Epsilon> Makes me wonder if they fixed whatever it was in 1.4.4 that broke Kopernicus. I can't play without a rescale mod anymore, and I was hoping to get back into KSP for a while. :(
[18:37:04] <Supercheese> 1.4.3 is a fine version
[18:37:37] <Supercheese> nothing super critical in 1.4.4 - 1.4.5 that you'd desperately need
[18:48:33] <JVFoxy> mmm ok
[19:13:34] Action: UmbralRaptop 🔪 the sky 
[19:13:36] <UmbralRaptop> No blood moon, there's a planet in the way. No Mars, clouds are in the way. 
[19:14:05] <Black_Eagle> so: does anyone know how ksp treats the airbrakes? are they two regular surfaces?
[19:18:13] <UmbralRaptop> I think so? 
[19:18:21] <UmbralRaptop> Well, control surfaces 
[19:24:38] <Black_Eagle> the built in aero display doesn't show a drag penalty
[19:25:15] <Althego> heh cant see the lunar eclipse, it is completely dark
[19:25:19] <Althego> because of clouds
[19:25:43] <Black_Eagle> i was curious if you could attach them "sideways" as vertical stabilizers
[19:26:12] <Althego> attach what?
[19:26:28] <Althego> you can attach everything everywhere, in the worst case through a cubic octagonal strut
[19:28:33] <Althego> i wonder do the astronauts watch the lunar eclipse from the space station? can they?
[19:28:42] <Althego> (because the cupola is towards the earth)
[19:31:07] <Black_Eagle> Althego sure i can put them anywhere but how do i avoid the drag penalty
[19:32:07] <Althego> there are some parts that you cant attach in some ways, but it is not that important anymore since the rotation and offset tools
[19:33:08] <Black_Eagle> i'm really confused
[19:33:14] <Black_Eagle> are you like blind or what
[19:33:17] <Black_Eagle> aerobrakes
[19:33:29] <Althego> i dont know what you are talking about
[19:33:40] <Black_Eagle> A.E.R.O.B.R.A.K.E.S if you're more familiar with that
[19:33:45] <Althego> now you said it
[19:33:54] <Black_Eagle> [27/07 22:14;11] <Black_Eagle> so: does anyone know how ksp treats the airbrakes?
[19:33:57] <Black_Eagle> this one
[19:34:03] <Althego> i was not here then
[19:34:05] <Supercheese> isn't it "A.I.R." and not "A.E.R.O."?
[19:34:09] <Black_Eagle> oh, true
[19:34:12] <Althego> if they are open they have more drag
[19:34:26] <Althego> probably not too much drag if they are not open
[19:34:30] <Black_Eagle> oh for fuck's sake
[19:34:33] <Althego> so you can tryto rotate them
[19:34:59] <Black_Eagle> ok slow down
[19:36:02] <Black_Eagle> if i put airbrakes sideways so that the apparent surface they have is aligned with the airflow, will ksp treat them as if they were surfaces aligned with the airflow
[19:36:20] <Black_Eagle> as sort of makeshift vertical stabilizers
[19:36:35] <Althego> probably they will do almost nothing
[19:36:49] <Althego> but look ad the drag arrows in the aero view
[19:36:58] <Black_Eagle> hmmm... so they're basically not like wings that just fold and unfold
[19:37:10] <Black_Eagle> no drag arrows - does that mean it's mostly cosmetic then?
[19:37:26] <Althego> yes
[19:37:49] <Althego> they are more like parachutes
[19:41:07] <Althego> moon is almsot completely gone according to the live feed
[19:43:20] <Black_Eagle> i found the drag arrows, you're right. it's weird how the drag just appears once you yaw the plane
[19:43:27] <Black_Eagle> so it goes more that way
[19:43:40] <Black_Eagle> not terribly useful
[19:43:52] <Althego> you can build a flying wing with the
[19:43:53] <Althego> m
[19:44:50] <JVFoxy> I remember in some past version, some of the aerodynamics weren't symetrical on some mirrored parts directly connected to the route part.. or something along those lines
[19:45:11] <JVFoxy> that ever get fixed or..? 
[19:45:59] <Black_Eagle> would have been a neat way to save space on vertical control surfaces (as in folded away when not in use)
[19:46:38] <Althego> you dont really need them
[19:47:34] <Althego> you are fine with only roll and pitch. and there are the reaction wheels too
[19:53:37] <JVFoxy> I usually turn off raction wheels in planes
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[20:10:13] <UmbralRaptop> https://tess.mit.edu/news/nasas-tess-spacecraft-starts-science-operations/
[20:11:38] <Supercheese> Nice! I was fortunate to be able to watch the launch of TESS from Cape Canaveral in person
[20:12:05] <Supercheese> great to see it starting its mission
[20:12:33] <Althego> finally
[20:13:09] <Althego> if kepler found thousands, tess could get us an order of magnitude more
[20:17:54] <UmbralRaptop> :D
[20:18:28] <UmbralRaptop> Supercheese: a bunch of us watched it in a meeting room. With pizza. >_>
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[20:20:38] <Supercheese> I happened to be in Orlando for a business conference
[20:20:55] <Supercheese> was able to drive on out to the space coast and luckily me there was a Falcon 9
[20:21:01] <Supercheese> lucky*
[20:21:28] <Supercheese> bloody toll roads *everywhere* though
[20:21:31] <Supercheese> Florida is bleh
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[23:38:12] <mischief> ugh
[23:38:20] <mischief> i need a 5 man station around the mun..