[00:04:11] On am unrelated note, Mars is about a month away from the biggest it'll be until 2035. http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/marsopps.html [00:04:15] *an [00:05:05] Does that even result in a difference to the naked eye? [00:05:39] Probably not. [00:05:59] But if you have a pair of binoculars or something, maybe? [00:06:15] Brightness, yes. Telescopic gestures also. [00:06:28] Action: UmbralRaptor glares at the dust storm. [00:06:41] & s/gestures/features/ [00:07:01] Mkay. [00:07:23] Telescopic gestures sounds like using your hands to talk to someone very far away. [00:08:04] So, like Italian, then [00:08:15] Go go gadget arms and eyes! [00:17:50] Action: UmbralRaptor ponders (mis)using the campus telescope in late July. [00:21:24] https://twitter.com/OSIRISREx/status/1011763875950149632 [00:21:25] <OSIRISREx> Quite a pair, aren't they? Î Î Asteroids Ryugu and Bennu have some definite similarities -- but also some differences& https://t.co/KcquoaT9rp [00:21:27] evening, gentlemen. [00:21:52] To get a sense, where do you start your gravity turn? [00:22:48] Probably a bit late (100 m/s or 5 km, give or take) [00:28:27] hmm, I may be using too much thrust on takeoff, then. I usually try for 1.8ish initially. [00:29:24] (usually using solid boosters designed to light with the first stage, but throttling the first stage back after the first km or two) [00:29:41] I may do a launch watching the FAR drag statistic. [00:59:23] MJ's ”V tracker is also worth poking at. [00:59:44] Interview in 6 hours. https://twitter.com/cosmos4u/status/1011774300930674690 [00:59:45] Here is where the @haya2e_jaxa-arrives-at-Ryugu press conference will be streamed in 6 hours:& https://t.co/1qbYrhNBvj [01:06:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:09:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:53:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:53:45] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:27:28] does ksp use lzma files? [03:31:51] hello? [03:32:02] uhh [03:32:09] .lzma [03:32:12] what are lzma files? [03:32:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lempel%E2%80%93Ziv%E2%80%93Markov_chain_algorithm [03:34:10] they are used to unpack game files in pc games [03:34:27] while keeping disk footprint small [03:34:52] minecraft uses .lzma files [03:58:11] I think all the compression is normal graphics things like png. not sure if that uses lzma type compression. [05:09:18] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:22:05] https://twitter.com/elakdawalla/status/1011839052759293952 [05:22:06] Itokawa and Ryugu to scale, ish. Two peas in a pod! https://t.co/OI8V7PejOP [05:35:24] man the KSP workshop items are all trash lol [06:23:08] my mun lander has a weird connection scheme [06:23:52] vessel is in mun orbit. first hop is my minmus relay, second hop is my relay at mun's north pole, 3rd hop is my kerbin north pole relay, 4th hop is my kerbosynchronous relay [06:24:45] probably trying to avoid you tracking the call :) [06:26:39] behind 4 proxies [09:04:24] better try TOR for that purpose :p [09:15:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:23:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+vo erio purpletarget|zzzz ' by stormlight.esper.net [13:35:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o NBones' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:35:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o DuoDex' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:46:28] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:04:37] Has anyone here used krpc? Anyone have thoughts on kRPC vs. kOS? [14:15:56] i'm fairly sure religious debates are against the rules :p [14:19:24] ^ [14:20:13] kOS is slower but inside the simulation. KRPC is much faster, but you have to take into account the fact that it runs outside the simulation [14:21:23] Ha - I didn't realize there were strong opinions on it, but I suppose that makes sense. [14:22:02] people have strong opinions on _EVERYTHING_ [14:22:41] True. I have strong opinions on the US date/time and Customary units. [14:24:26] Also, optimal keybaord layouts [14:24:46] What's your preferred keyboard layout, ve2dmn? [14:24:58] "Not AZERTY" [14:26:05] rip french kb [14:27:13] (In all the above cases it's either someone made a very annoying assumption.... or laugh at me for my use of X) [14:27:49] Congrats, ve2dmn, you've sent me down a wiki black hole [14:28:09] I hope you're proud of yourself [14:28:49] yes. Yes I am [14:30:10] In the case of AZERTY, it was back in the days of installing windows... [14:30:34] where i live the standard keyboard is qwertz [14:30:37] it's so stupid [14:30:44] kezboard this kezboard that [14:30:46] lmao [14:31:05] Truga: compare QWERTY and AZERTY [14:31:13] yeah I know [14:31:19] good luck typing on one when you have the other [14:31:25] uh [14:31:44] you can just change the layout? [14:31:54] :p [14:31:59] "You want Windows in French? You must thus be in France, because no one else in the world speaks that language. Btw, that password you typed earlier was in AZERTY, good luck finding now" [14:32:10] haha [14:32:36] yeah none of my passwords have a z or y in them :D [14:32:41] These days it's trivial to change it, but back then they just assume and didn't provide an easy wait to have the proper locale [14:33:14] Most linux installs are ridiculous, but I like that they usually let you specify language and keyboard separately [14:33:25] Unless it's Raspbian, then you specify the keyboard layout and the OS just ignores you [14:33:44] I still these small things occasionnaly... Like in Zelda BoTW, if you want Celcius, you need to switch to French, Spanish or German [14:34:08] lol [14:34:09] right [14:34:33] Celcius + 24h clock is linked to language [14:34:34] the clock in the stupid mmo i play is 12h instead of 24h because i have english language set [14:34:34] There always needs to be an English (US) and English(UK) option [14:35:40] I mean it's trivial to make it an option.... *sigh* [14:35:55] just have a metric/imperial option it's not that hard [14:36:09] alternatively, abolish united states, remove imperial [14:36:15] It's a minor annoyance, but multiply that but 1000 times and you get to see why I tend to have strong opinions on these things [14:36:18] i don't see a downside honestly :v [14:36:47] on paper the US is metric [14:37:02] paper will take anything tho [14:37:02] In practice... let's not get there, because it's beyond politics [14:38:16] what's wrong with qwertz? [14:38:23] everything [14:39:17] at least they don't have + on a "shift" key [14:39:24] or - [14:39:27] i forgot which one [14:39:43] + [14:39:54] everything is upside down [14:39:57] it's terrible :< [14:40:47] azerty? [14:40:49] AZERTY has the number keys on shift and ! on press [14:41:12] that sounds fun [14:41:15] Deity, I hate that keyboard [14:41:26] mr deity :) fun series [14:41:51] At least the QWERTZ is close *enough* [14:42:28] some people complain that programming with qwertz is hard, because {[]} are hard to reach [14:42:34] sure the é and à are problably somewhere else but that's already a difference between the 2 major Canadian layout [14:42:36] but i never found that a problem [14:42:51] yes german keyboard is useless for programming and shell, just as hungarian [14:43:01] yet germans insist on using german layout [14:43:03] how about | ? [14:43:09] altgr+w [14:43:11] for [14:43:13] for | [14:43:19] in german layout <>| are on the same key [14:43:22] no, altgr+< [14:43:28] Althego: use AZERTY for a week. You'll LOVE the german layout :D [14:43:31] one of the most annoying choices [14:43:35] you guys have a different qwertz i guess [14:43:38] no, i just switch [14:44:33] once you're accepting the fact that you have to press altgr a lot, it doesn't really make it any more difficult than pressing shift [14:44:39] 4 QWERTZ layout: German, Swiss, Hungary, and the one used in "Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia-Herzegovina." [14:45:05] that is it, for edample / and [] dont need a shift [14:45:59] i'd trade that for + needing shift any time [14:46:11] almost never need + [14:46:25] you must do some weird programming then :p [14:46:27] yeah but get this [14:46:35] / is search and path separator [14:46:35] imagine having a slash on shift+7 [14:46:37] just imagine [14:46:39] lol [14:46:45] they have it on [14:47:01] Truga: I have it on shift+3 [14:47:03] once i have seen a tired german miss the shift on / 3 times in a row [14:47:09] I use the numpad :/ [14:47:11] yeah, how do i imagine having / on shift+7 when that's where it always was? [14:47:14] because german keyboard of course [14:47:17] slash is probably one of the most used keys on my keyboard when working [14:47:20] it wasnt [14:47:26] you are too young [14:47:35] and shit+7 is the terriblest place for it [14:47:36] when i was younf there was never anything else just qwerty [14:47:43] international support was not really a thing [14:47:58] later same annoying people introduced qwertz to computers [14:48:03] typewriters had it [14:48:05] 'not really' is an understatement [14:48:13] but of course that was a different layout altogether [14:48:20] maybe 3 times in my life i've seen a computer that didn't have qwertz [14:48:35] and that was crazy annoying :p [14:48:37] mine has a us keyboard and this thing is a cancer of its own [14:48:38] that is german nationalism [14:48:41] the enter key is all wrong :v [14:48:43] they configure everything to german [14:48:43] Eddi|zuHause: I see you never left your country :D [14:49:00] a big chunk of europe uses qwertz [14:49:07] ve2dmn: and yet, i've lived in multiple different countries [14:49:09] I can buy 3 different layout at the store: US, CA and CA-fr [14:49:10] the best is still speicherschutzverletzung instead of segmentation fault [14:49:20] lol [14:49:27] So you say a foreign keyboard layout is horrible? [14:49:45] for programming [14:49:54] The AZERTY one is horrible. The rest are just annoying [14:49:55] Althego: it used to be called "general protection fault" [14:49:59] I tell you what /is/ horrible: Trying to get used to a new keyboard layout [14:50:04] shell, and programming languages are ok with an us keyboard, with anything else it is harder to do [14:50:15] no, general protection fault is windows [14:50:20] linux never says that [14:50:39] "general protection fault" != segmentation fault [14:50:45] Hence, us Germans use QWERTZ and configure everything to QWERTZ. And you guys use QWERTY and configure everything to QWERTY [14:50:48] so when qwertz hit, for years i tried to get accustomed to it [14:50:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_protection_fault vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault [14:51:12] and the result is, i know use hungarian qwerty, what i created, because ms still doesnt support non 101 hungarian qwerty [14:51:20] while all linux distros do [14:51:24] APlayer: look up the AZERTY keyboard and tell me it's not a horrible, incompatible idea [14:51:34] it is silly idea :) [14:52:22] so what did they want to achieve by swapping 2 keys? [14:52:25] segmentation fault is a general protection fault. the reverse is not true [14:52:28] it is just annoying [14:52:57] ve2dmn: it says pm the segfault article "On standard x86 computers, this is a form of general protection fault. " [14:53:22] segmentation fault is a general protection fault. the reverse is not true [14:53:24] however the message general protection fault only appears on windows [14:53:28] ^ [14:53:36] https://h2g2.com/edited_entry/A29639046 [14:53:56] no, it was some kind of rindfleisch something [14:54:00] about labeling beef [14:54:05] another name for the same thing is "access violation" [14:54:43] APlayer I'm from a place that uses qwertz by default and I still think it's terrible [14:54:54] so what did they want to achieve by swapping 2 keys? <-- in german, the letter "y" is virtually nonexisting [14:55:00] and? [14:55:01] yeah [14:55:09] then optimize for the language completely [14:55:11] but why swap z and y [14:55:15] so you want the least used keys somewhere at the edge [14:55:16] Truga: The only thing I find terrible is the fact that I keep getting > and < wrong [14:55:18] go full dvorak lol [14:55:24] or rather discard qwerty completely because it was optimized for the slowest typing possible [14:55:27] APlayer that and slash being on shift+7 [14:55:31] Nope [14:55:37] That one's perfectly fine [14:55:39] when slash is one of the most commonly used keys when computer touching :p [14:55:49] slash on shift 7 or on shift 6 in the hungarian layout is a crime against humanity [14:55:54] exactly [14:56:22] Keyboard layout were made for a different time and place [14:56:31] yeah [14:56:38] we should be using brain computer interface already :) [14:56:43] Shift-7 is an easy thing for muscle memory [14:56:43] they were made for typewrites so they things didn't get stuck as often when typing quickly :D [14:56:47] ket the computer learn how i type [14:56:47] they didn't really have path separators and stuff in mind when making the typewriter key layouts [14:56:55] i dont care how it does it [14:57:01] APlayer it's not an easy thing to hit with a single keypress though [14:57:18] Well, fortunately, you have enough fingers to hit two keys :P [14:57:20] the us layout didnt have path spearators in mind either [14:57:29] i have enough fingers, but not enough time :p [14:57:34] I have a friend who still insist on calling 'caps Lock' by the name of 'Control' [14:57:35] however because they were easily accessible, they chose those characters [14:57:40] no, but the people that chose path separators had the US layout in mind [14:57:47] / and \ are both single keystroke on us layout these days :p [14:57:48] and at that point no derived layout should have moved them [14:57:54] ve2dmn: Umschalttaste! [14:58:13] which can be like 3 different combinations [14:58:21] if not reconfigured [14:58:27] Althego: i think the keyboard layouts are older than paths [14:58:47] yes that's the problem isn't it :p [14:58:53] not the 101-105 key layout, which were obviously made for computers [14:59:03] computers had paths very late, actually [14:59:04] APlayer: btw, sorry for starting a religious war on keyboard layout. I realise I am good at opening pandora's box this week [14:59:06] as i said those were already different from typewriter layouts [14:59:17] (this is not a good week for me) [14:59:21] let's switch to si vw imperial :) [14:59:28] (things are... stress-inducing) [14:59:32] This discussion very much reminds me of https://xkcd.com/378/ [14:59:38] i mean, nobody really used directories before the 80s [14:59:46] for example i hate the fact there is an ubiquous metric called dpi [14:59:50] I had another xkcd in mind [15:00:00] i dont care about inches [15:00:14] Althego: or altitude in feets [15:00:20] taht is equally annoying [15:00:22] so bad [15:00:24] i've no clue what a "point" is in font sizes [15:00:29] and then there's "pica"? [15:00:32] that is actually defined [15:00:32] wtf is that? [15:01:05] he DTP point is defined as 1D72 of an international inch (about 0.353 mm) and, as with earlier American point sizes, is considered to be 1D12 of a pica. [15:01:07] Eddi: According to wikipedia, the first directory was used in 1878: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_directory#History [15:01:10] :P [15:01:24] yeah directories were used pretty early for organization [15:01:25] APlayer: not what i meant :p [15:01:27] haha tehre are several others [15:01:33] but anyway they should just use mm [15:01:37] as any sane person would [15:01:40] directories on computer are the same thing, but in filesystem form [15:02:32] btw i hate it when people call directories folders :) [15:02:37] usually it was more like "warehouse three room 13 folder cabinet 15" tho [15:02:48] Althego: that's purely Win95's fault [15:02:52] exactly [15:03:18] someone at microsoft must have thought "directory" wasn't a term for the average user [15:05:03] lol [15:06:59] now i got to the point to actually listen to the flat earth vs geocentrism debate [15:07:10] the most hilarious battle ever [15:08:08] Next up: Mermaids vs. Sasquatch [15:08:19] spy vs spy [15:08:28] i could never play that game [15:08:32] always crashed on load [15:08:34] s/win85/MacOS/ [15:09:03] did os2 have any ill effect similar to this? :) [15:10:03] actually they shouldnt be in a debate. flat earthers are geocentrists too. also memraids and yetis are orthogonal [15:11:30] Not in Newfoundland they aren't [15:11:47] why [15:11:50] one eats the other? [15:13:26] They compete over the same natural resources: tourists who ignore signs and local warnings and thne are eaten [15:13:49] Like the drop bears? [15:13:51] no signs under water [15:14:11] yeah, but there are signs on beaches [15:14:27] yes, plus signs on shift :) [15:15:08] Just like drop bears. except, you know, other hemisphere [15:15:42] drop bear? [15:16:28] Beware the drop bears [15:20:16] Althego: carnivorous koalas. They jump out of trees onto tourists. >_> [15:20:22] hehe [15:22:18] heh it's business time is perpetually 2:30 tomorrow :) [15:22:41] I should take a week off to get KSP, Stellaris, Surviving Mars and a few others out of my system... [15:22:47] at this point i bet spacex will be faster with crs-15 [15:23:35] why would you do that [15:34:21] because I can't concentrate at work [15:34:48] you dont need to play all these at work [15:35:11] as if I could [15:36:17] then how are they interfering with work? [15:36:30] my brain won't let go [15:36:34] hehe [15:36:48] It's gonna worse once if i start factorio [15:37:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4eav7dFvc8 [15:37:05] YouTube - The Prodigy - Out Of Space (Official Video) [15:37:12] ... take your brain to an other dimension [15:37:56] but i never liked prodigy [15:38:15] currently listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqwkXj3vJQM [15:38:15] YouTube - OC ReMix #2070: Mega Man 2 'Dokuta Wairi, Rival to the Light' [Dr. Wily Stage 1] by Juan Medrano [15:40:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhzQggmQok [15:40:05] YouTube - MegaMan 3 - Top Man (Remix) [15:41:27] hmm he has a terminal velocity remix too. i should play that again sometime [15:42:37] take your pick btw: https://www.youtube.com/user/ocremix/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid [15:42:58] i never had any consoles [15:43:57] neither did I. I played most of these in 2000 [15:45:21] i dont do that. the same way we never hada video in the vhs era, so i still havent seen any rambo movies [16:20:03] hehe after six, end of workday, just avoid the -60C cold :) [16:20:48] new heli https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/461566555201994752/DSC_9217.JPG [16:20:54] now there was no wintergatan video on monday, and still hasnt happened today [16:39:52] https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1011703254407770112 [16:39:52] <SpaceX> At Naval Air Facility El Centro in Southern California, SpaceX recently completed its 16th test of Crew Dragons pa& https://t.co/xapKBllfJn [16:43:25] weeeee [16:43:35] getting closer [16:43:45] what i dont understand why these tests are always so far apart? [16:43:53] say it worked? you dont need to redesign everything [16:44:00] collect the data, continue with the next one [16:44:26] see spaceshiptwo, how many tests gone away? [16:44:36] or rathers years [16:44:42] one tests every few months [16:45:38] hmm nvidia 398.36 [16:46:21] ok. I really need to log off... everything [16:47:13] close life. open op next? [16:47:18] *up [16:48:30] I basically argue with everyone today [16:51:45] *sob* https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-completes-webb-telescope-review-commits-to-launch-in-early-2021 [16:52:12] again an other year of delay [16:58:06] Althego: carnivorous koalas. They jump out of trees onto tourists. >_> <-- oh, i knew the plummeting ursas from path of exile must have real world equivalents :p [16:58:28] at least in memes [16:58:52] ^ [17:12:17] https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/russias-proton-rocket-which-predates-apollo-will-finally-stop-flying/ end of an era [17:12:22] or maybe the beginning of a new [17:12:45] at least it is starting to look like that. finally space is taking off [17:14:04] To be fair, the balloon tank Atlases flew into the 90s. And Titan derivatives until 2005. [17:14:13] I'd rather prefer space to stay where it is, and our rockets taking off instead [17:14:21] hehe [17:17:03] "an increasing rate of failures" - I was about to ask if that includes upside down IMUs, and then: "too much propellant had been mistakenly loaded into its upper stage" - what? (The IMU issue was mentioned too, but I am now interested in the too much propellant part) [17:17:32] how could you have too much propellant? you can always have a bit more delta v [17:18:12] How come the rocket is too big? [17:19:49] And what are the chances of it being vented in-flight and the trajectory update to save the mission if such an issue is detected right at liftoff? [18:26:17] Do Surface Scanning Modules yield any science? [18:26:39] or the sentinel telescope? not sure what research node I want to unlock [18:28:22] the sentinel does [18:28:27] only in solar otbit [18:29:37] mm. might unlock the nuclear engine first since I don't have the RA-100 unlocked yet, [18:40:42] Hey [18:41:07] hey dude [18:41:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwe2pIZTR58 [18:41:09] YouTube - Star Dudes - Episode IV A New Dude [18:41:16] this is so old [18:41:53] there was that french parody as well [18:42:03] that I knew all the lines of about 7 years ago [18:42:13] it has ep 1-6 [18:42:24] basically all they speak is hey dude [18:44:55] https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1011891396276637697 ouch [18:44:56] Damage sustained to Sachsen (F219) following SM-2 misfire. Fortunately only two crew sustained minor injuries, this& https://t.co/lZpB3oNBSM [18:46:43] Never even knew Germany had a navy. [18:47:39] Hi there, I'm an ignorant American who thinks the only navies in the world are Murican, Chinese, and those weird Somali pirates [18:47:47] :P [18:49:25] Althego: you say you didn't have a console, but did you have this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGRR6MkVmE [18:49:25] YouTube - One Must Fall 2097 - Soundtrack [18:49:39] oh yes, it is still awesome [18:50:00] ping plonk pang [19:12:27] Oh no! A wild American on the loose! And it's even a banana! [19:13:27] don't worry. It's just a Banana for scale. nothing dangerous [19:13:57] But it's not a domestic banana! [19:14:23] domestic doesnt make things better [19:15:15] You must be one of those people that actually believe the nonsense about the Earth being round and vaccines helping anyone! [19:16:04] Action: APlayer stops [19:20:18] hah, flat earthers. i cant really translate this. "air contains aeriform gases". gee, what did you expect [19:20:35] i didnt know aeriform was a word [19:20:57] at least i learned something from the stupidity of these people [19:21:01] Althego: they are evolving. They are close to finding Oxygen [19:21:20] how close are they to dihydrogen monoxide [19:21:37] only a few more centuries [19:22:19] They must never find he power of DHMO [19:22:30] DHMO is found in all cancers so far. :( [19:22:50] As well as coffee and tea... I know [19:23:03] also you cant see infinitely far on the flat earth because of water vapor in the air [19:23:09] I just hope that flat earthers and co are mostly trolls on the internet. I don't believe people can actually think that way [19:23:13] DHMO have been found in lakes, rivers, and amazing enough, rain also. no other chemicals tend to be found in rain [19:23:48] Rolf: DHMO might even be in chemtrails if the rumour are to be believed! [19:24:24] DHMO is "it", I believe. Not "they". [19:24:38] it is like chem trail people. they are spraying us with aluminium. because they sent water samples of puddles to a lab and it contained that. one of the most common material on earth, what a surprise [19:24:58] APlayer: it's actually that bad... [19:25:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/461613004144902154/20180627212441_1.jpg [19:25:37] hehe [19:25:50] APlayer: if you want to know more, read "The Unpersuadables: Adventures with the Enemies of Science" [19:26:02] good thing my engine was dead, otherwise I would have been out of fuel very quick [19:26:39] TL;DR: at this point their believe is so linked to who they are, they will reject reality itself because it would be too painful to admit they are nothing [19:27:14] Action: APlayer frowns [19:28:28] you aint fat, you aint nothi, you aint nothin [19:31:12] Good question, https://i.imgur.com/2M57TcT.jpg [19:31:29] poor flat worlder [19:31:31] earth-chan is not flat [19:34:09] TIL ^ [19:43:44] DHMO must be one of the deadliest chemicals on this planet [19:44:08] verily [19:44:25] too much of it is fatal [19:44:56] so many people die of DHMO overdose daily :/ [19:51:11] hmm, people say you have to calibrate the compass on the s7 after each reboot [19:51:14] cant imagine why [19:51:15] Often even children. [19:51:23] but now i understand why it wasnt working [20:37:07] "asteroid exploded due to overheating" [20:37:09]