[02:03:00] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:49:17] https://twitter.com/doug_ellison/status/1067244381269254144 [02:49:17] Oh....OH MY... the Instrument Deployment Camera image just came down - https://t.co/CBKhp97hRM https://t.co/2AogTrM7GI [03:02:55] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [04:11:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:11:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:15:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:46:38] hi [05:47:00] is it possible to attach anything to convertotrons? [05:47:05] on the sides, that is [05:54:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:55:57] hah nice image from the arm [05:56:12] lot better than the context camera [05:56:50] https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7294 [05:56:54] bit tilted [05:57:03] but it seems it landed right in the middle of a sandbox [05:57:15] everywhere else is rocky [06:36:12] well crap. [06:36:20] got my ore from minmus but now i can't get it home. [06:37:17] can't? [06:37:25] ran out of fuel leaving. [06:37:41] need a redesign [06:38:10] just playing ksp after not playing for like 3 months, so i'm rusty :) [06:39:01] think ill just start from scratch. [06:39:15] aha [06:39:33] do you have dV calculation mods? [06:39:55] ker, dont design without it [06:40:13] no, i don't use any mods. [06:40:19] try to keep it interesting :P [06:40:21] ah ok [06:40:43] it is tempting to just install mechjeb, which i did have when i played years ago [06:41:02] but this time around, i wanted to try to get through as much of career mode without help [06:47:23] but if you use ker only in the vab it just does the computation you woulddo [06:48:57] well you can just calculate that on paper [06:49:08] but gets boring after a while [06:49:29] i used to do that for old 14k m/s delta v eve ascent vehicles [06:49:36] when there was no mass dipslay in the editor [06:49:40] was really tiresome [06:49:49] everything gets boring after i while [06:49:54] * a while [06:50:04] but this really quickly, it is a single formula after all [07:14:17] hm [07:14:29] having a hard time making a drilling rig that's aesthetically pleasing [07:14:48] parts keep running into each other and it annoys me [07:14:52] industrial equipment, it has to be ugly [07:15:01] ah clipping [07:15:23] i believe the drill can work even if it's extended through my landing struts, but it makes no sense [07:15:48] i try to avoid permanent clipping, but some during deployment is ok [07:16:01] yeah, i wanted to avoid any during deployment. [07:16:12] maybe ill just make the landing craft use the next size tank :P [07:16:27] big ol fat lander. [07:16:30] the wider the better [07:16:57] im guessing it will be hell to launch and land though [07:17:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:20:55] this ship looks absolutely rediculous [07:21:00] not even sure it will go anywhere [07:21:29] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:21:45] i found that it's hard to deliver ore back to kerbin because the ore tanks are heavy and fragile [07:22:00] my ship looks more like a bomb [07:22:02] and why would you do that anyway [07:22:06] just mine the launchpad :) [07:22:57] uhoh [07:23:01] my ship is 48T [07:23:07] i don't think a parachute will stop that [07:24:48] maybe 8 Mk25 parachutes? :) [07:27:21] https://i.imgur.com/639PnIm.png [07:27:44] no [07:27:46] you need the bvlue one [07:27:52] maybe 2 orange [07:27:59] or just one [07:28:01] on top [07:29:31] i was gonna put a heat shield on it [07:29:35] just.. in case [07:30:57] now i need a gigantic rocket to get this trash heap off the ground [07:31:09] not a problem [07:31:35] just add more boosters until it is fine [07:32:03] :-P [07:32:12] i don't even have engines that fit this tank size [07:32:15] need more science [07:37:34] arg [07:37:36] top heavy :( [07:37:47] i think i named it "weevil" https://i.imgur.com/SOhnTwJ.jpg [07:38:08] o_o [07:38:32] does it.. fly? [07:38:39] lol [07:38:42] a mutant insect [07:38:57] a legit way to mine money, you just turn it on right on runway and wait till its full (like, month) and then recover it [07:39:32] 'legit' [07:39:38] if you are greedy, make a wheeled version [07:39:40] your runway would look like a crater :) [07:39:45] mischief, no mods, no cheats :) [07:39:59] poor guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLBJA8SlH2w [07:39:59] YouTube - SWISS MISHAP [07:42:34] i'm at about 250,000 funds for my ship [07:43:15] aaaand it still flips over. [07:44:19] the usual: fairing, control surfaces, highly gimbaling engines can help [07:46:58] i only have one main sail on my center [07:47:14] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:50:01] ah there was a post landing briefing too [07:50:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c8cNKXB4VI [07:50:09] YouTube - NASA Recaps InSight Mars Landing [07:52:08] i added 4 tail fins. [07:52:09] nada [07:52:36] you can add up to 24 i think :) [07:53:06] i mean, 4 is what fit nicely on the sides. [07:53:36] lol the iss phoned in to the briefing to congratulate them [07:54:09] hm [07:54:18] the twin-boar engines have 1.5 degree gimbal [07:54:25] would replacing those with main-sail be better? [07:54:34] 2.0 degree gimbal [07:54:54] marginally [07:55:29] does it flip after first stage separation or before? [07:56:08] before, after i gained some hight [07:56:12] and get to like 300m/s [07:56:23] typically around mach 1 at 15 km :) [07:56:41] if you can survived that after 25 km you have no issues [07:57:07] at worst just fly up to higher altitudes before starting to tilt towards east [07:57:31] you can also set up tanks that the bottom ones drain first [07:57:35] that helps you with stability [07:58:00] i rearranged some bits, lets try again [07:58:16] it was flipping over even when i didn't try steering [07:58:21] just thrust straight up [08:02:02] lol article: tolkien was racist against orcs [08:02:18] or is it towards? [08:02:40] yay, i made it [08:02:56] new problem [08:03:00] my ship is shaking o_o [08:03:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:04:32] need some space duct tape i guess. [08:04:46] possibly autostruts can help [08:05:12] is that a mod [08:05:17] no, basic [08:05:29] they dont eat part count [08:05:42] ah, you mean the space duct tape :) [08:05:44] however your choice of targets is limited [08:05:58] space duct tape is the struts [08:06:36] hehe they gave a marco image of mars [08:11:03] hm. [08:11:10] 1500 ox left in my current stage. [08:11:50] now.. none. and i just got orbit. [08:11:53] idk if this is gonna make it [08:14:49] i wonder if they can use the arm and cameras to science after instrument deployment [08:15:02] maybe dig some holes with the arm and see how fast wind erodes it [08:15:39] i think im confused [08:15:46] how does a part with 'crossfeed' work [08:15:50] is that the same as the pipe? [08:16:06] fuel can flow through it [08:16:20] some parts dont have crossfeed, like heatshield, metal parts [08:16:28] ahhh, i have to manually transfer it [08:16:33] >_> [08:16:38] possibly even that will not work [08:16:46] depending on game settings [08:16:49] it does seem to work [08:16:53] its just not optimal. [08:18:52] https://i.imgur.com/3ZM6gLm.png [08:18:55] this will do :) [08:19:12] hilarious [08:19:26] whats so funny [08:19:36] possibly loses 400 m/s to drag [08:19:53] why are the legs open? [08:20:05] so many, it doesnt go to eve [08:21:08] hopefully to prevent tipping if i land on a hill on minmus :P [08:21:19] land on a flat [08:21:25] minmus has the best landing grounds [08:24:42] nice, they did some atmospheric science on marco a [08:25:33] NASA has science alert mod installed [08:25:40] hehe [08:25:50] no, this was actually planned [08:26:31] because it depended on the trajectory [08:27:13] i put some nose cones now [08:32:19] only 436t >_> [08:37:40] i think this rocket sucks :) [08:38:12] sucking rocket, interesting concept :) [08:38:32] i can't even get to orbit [08:38:42] i would make it longer [08:38:44] i did it once then reverted to fix something, now i can't really [08:39:09] more fuel in the middle part? [08:39:18] am i really seeing nuclear engines with fuel+Ox tanks? [08:39:47] hehe i forgot about that, now that you mention it [08:39:54] i took the oxidizer out [08:40:00] lol [08:40:07] that is a normal way [08:40:11] i usually put aircraft tanks on [08:40:28] i mean, there are fuel-only tanks [08:40:57] i have.. one? option in career mode [08:41:03] ah ok [08:41:05] Mk1 liquid fuselage [08:41:10] nevermind then [08:42:08] btw why use nukes for a minmus mission? [08:42:10] especially 4 [08:42:18] that is probably decreasing your delta v [08:42:21] balance? :P [08:44:41] dunno, thought they would make better use of fuel [08:44:49] they are havy [08:45:09] huh [08:45:12] only worth it if you have them in low twr for high delta v [08:45:13] you are right o.o [08:45:30] for coming back from minmus, only few hundred m/s is needed [08:47:07] but dont forget to take into account the mass of the ore you want to bring back [08:47:14] for delta v [08:47:21] i need 2800 ore [08:47:29] .. thats why i have all these tanks. [08:47:38] i usually dont take these missions [08:47:50] same with the stations and bases with huge amounts of fuel [08:53:11] i wanted a challenge [08:53:29] i replaced my nuclear rockets with the terrier but i think the base needs more work [08:53:35] i just run out of fuel trying to get orbit. [08:54:32] I'm just sending relay probes to Mün [09:06:46] i am annoyed my fuel pipes dont work automatically [09:06:54] what [09:06:56] they do [09:07:15] if the priority is not correct, change it [09:07:27] the pipes go from a central tank outward. [09:07:30] but in fact you dont even need pipes in most cases with the pririty set [09:09:35] hm [09:09:40] seems to work anyway [09:12:04] https://youtu.be/k3JILAuxtq4?t=588 lol, it is like the guy is talking about some kerbal planets mod [09:12:23] at least reminds me of outer planets mod names [09:12:49] Fact is often wierder than fiction [09:13:07] and the t-shirt on scimandan [09:14:26] i cant get enough of this, just cant stop laughing as the guy explains these imaginary paknets [09:16:50] and then i forgot an antenna. :| [09:17:02] lol [09:17:08] or rather, i think i accidentally deleted it earlier [09:17:15] since it was attached to one of the engines.. [09:19:40] hm, so i guess the issue with this bomber was that the dropped bomb would have to fall straight through the fuel tank [09:19:57] hehe [09:20:01] self bomber [09:23:08] Gasher[work]: hm? :) [09:25:07] omg [09:25:09] i am an idiot. [09:25:14] i had two of my tanks disabled [09:25:18] no wonder i couldnt go far [09:27:21] lol [09:27:32] also this https://i.imgur.com/XHhG7mh.jpg [09:27:59] it was flat external tank right beneath the back cargo hold [09:28:27] cool mod i guess [09:28:31] what a mean nos [09:28:32] e [09:28:38] what is that small door on top? [09:30:49] https://i.imgur.com/0BHQq2a.jpg [09:31:01] neat [09:33:38] okay [09:33:44] i am about to get into minmus orbit [09:33:50] and i still have like 4000 fuel [09:36:21] aw man [09:36:25] i forgot my heat sinks :( [09:38:55] whatever, i'm already here. i'll just wait it out if i overheat [09:47:56] 82 days for 100 ore [09:47:58] >_> [09:48:04] lol [09:48:07] maybe i better go fly another mission [09:48:14] try highest timewarp [09:48:22] that usually hekps with the battery too [09:48:26] because power is stuck [09:48:26] Althego: i put it very high, but i don't want to waste days [09:48:35] also my drills are eating away at my heat shield [09:48:41] because i forgot the thermal disappators [09:48:57] i never tried what happens to the thermal issue [09:49:03] but if you switch to highest timewarp quickly [09:49:07] the game just ignores battery [09:49:12] so it will mine day and night [09:49:18] maybe the same is true for heat [09:49:19] Althego: i brought 16000 battery units [09:49:23] it's no problem ;-) [09:49:28] i am explaining the principle [09:49:33] that there is an exploitable bug [09:49:51] it looks like battery is used when it is night time [09:49:53] oh wait [09:49:56] is this ap robe? [09:50:01] even at the highest warp, 100,000 [09:50:03] yes [09:50:04] bringing a single engineer would help you a lot [09:50:16] even a 2 star engineer would be what 15x boost? [09:50:18] 16 [09:50:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:50:40] can i put probe core and a engineer in a can? [09:50:59] engineer in a can, latest acme product [09:51:34] i usually use the lander can [09:51:38] very light [09:51:46] probe is needed for sas only [09:52:09] maybe ill cancel flight again so i can add thermal control systems... [09:52:40] 165 ore in 126 days [09:52:44] yeah. this needs work :( [09:53:00] also check location for ore [09:54:17] https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/%27Drill-O-Matic%27_Mining_Excavator#Ore_extraction_rate [09:56:59] no scan of minmus yet [09:57:04] i guess i only did that for mun. [09:58:27] hm. [09:58:32] ill put my 3 * engineer. [09:59:03] scan doesnt help you ultimately because it givves you only biome average [09:59:12] it doesnt show you hot spots [10:01:24] seems like the mountain regions are richer in ore on minmus [10:02:27] .... :) [10:02:33] how does the game know where you mined the ore anyway [10:02:52] what if i mine a little on minmus and some on the mun? [10:02:55] in the same container [10:03:12] or a little on minmus and the rest on kerbin [10:29:43] Althego, try and report results [10:44:46] i've never even got far enough in carreer to mine anything [10:56:40] my ship just came apart while mining [10:59:18] hehe [10:59:27] the kraken [10:59:47] did you have phys timewarp on? [11:00:10] probably coming out of timewarp [11:00:22] usually that is what my mining equipment hates [11:01:38] i've had flags and other things attached to the ground (via KAS/KIS) explode when quickloading or joining from tracking station [11:02:34] yeah, i was unwarping [11:02:39] but i actually warped many times [11:02:47] because the solar panels cant power my drills [11:03:09] so the battery would drain, the drills turned off, the solar panels charged, then i'd unwarp and turn them on again [11:03:56] sounds like failed design to me [11:04:52] hm, that thing i linked had enough batteries to power it through the night [11:04:53] thanks for the input [11:06:31] erm... [11:06:39] and now i had a bit of a tumble on the surface. [11:06:53] retrograde sas didn't seem to point the right direction [11:07:14] surface vs. orbit retrograde? [11:07:44] weird [11:07:49] why am i in orbit [11:08:06] i'm not quite sure what the difference is, but there is a difference [11:08:08] my ship is now sitting sideways on the surface with all my fun bits broken off [11:08:34] oh well. i'll load the quicksave.. [11:09:38] so, i decided to actually look up this meme song and now the earworm is even worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9uTScSgzrM [11:09:38] YouTube - ðŸŽµOVERWATCH: No Mercy - The Living Tombstone ðŸŽµ [11:21:33] fml [11:21:37] it happened again [11:21:41] this must be a bug [11:31:23] a bug? in the game? how dare you!! [11:31:35] mischief: as i sad if you go into max warp no drain [11:32:19] Althego: that is not the problem [11:32:22] Althego: i did that :) [11:32:49] it's when the tanks are full and the drills automatically stop... suddenly the ship starts shaking and blows up. [11:34:45] turn off SAS? [11:36:43] heroes (still) never die [11:45:18] Eddi|zuHause: hm, lets try [11:45:22] i got a quicksave this time. [11:45:54] Eddi|zuHause: nope [11:45:58] still sploded. [11:46:00] i've had instances where SAS overcompensated and incresed such wobblings [11:46:12] so it was worth a try [11:59:40] how do i make it not blow up :( [12:10:29] this uh, sounds like my problem [12:10:31] https://steamcommunity.com/app/220200/discussions/0/135509823657770199/#c135509823657926816 [12:19:40] so, after making another attempt with the graphics card, i determine that it's now properly broken... [12:20:54] put it in, seemed to start fine, rebooted, because a HDD cable came loose in the process, and after that, booting fails with a blank screen and a long beep [12:21:27] did you try putting it in the oven [12:21:35] no [12:21:38] https://i.imgur.com/pgLzfbP.png [12:21:48] as soon as i take off, it shakes itself to death :( [12:21:52] i wanted to, but then i didn't have a spare oven to ruin [12:22:27] kraken no like [12:22:37] more struts! [12:22:43] mischief, what thing starts to shake? legs? [12:22:44] you still trying to use those chutes? [12:22:45] why? [12:22:51] cute kerbal at the top [12:23:00] Gasher[work]: um, all of it [12:23:20] rather, it is difficult to discern which piece begins the shaking. [12:23:30] shaking even without SAS? [12:23:34] i was thinking of increasing leg springs' strength and damping but that might not be the case [12:23:36] for landing the highest mass with lowest speed, you need the blue ones. only 1-2 orange ones are needed to slow you down for the blue ones to activate safely [12:24:07] i've got no sas on [12:24:07] Althego, that kerbal knows that the safest spot on the vessel is outside [12:24:20] and when i take off, i put the landing gears up first [12:24:31] before it would just explode simply by turning off the drill [12:24:35] but i worked around that i guess [12:25:38] hm [12:26:35] i think it's some combination of the ore tanks, the ship's body and the circular batteries [12:26:38] mischief: Get KJR [12:26:51] underneath those ore tanks is this as the core of my ship [12:26:54] Kerbodyne ADTP-2-3 [12:27:31] it's also possible the parachutes are clipping the batteries, and somehow the tanks being full triggers unplanned deconstruction. [12:28:16] these chutes seem near useless to me [12:29:57] even applying the tiniest amount of thrust to my engines triggers it [12:30:40] and if you retract gear first? [12:30:55] same. [12:31:29] mischief: Get KJR [12:31:45] "Passwords should be 8 or more characters and should contain at least 1 uppercase letter, 1 lowercase letter, a number and a symbol (!£$%@?) e.g. Abcd1234&" [12:31:53] what a great example [12:32:01] what a bad example [12:32:12] GlassYuri: now guess how many people used that exact example as their password? [12:32:15] or great example how not to use password [12:32:16] hrm [12:32:24] i think my ship is spontaneously getting warm [12:32:28] with this i would be forced to use the minimal length password what i would still forget [12:32:50] it's like every single part of that message is wrong [12:33:07] Eddi|zuHause, the website does seem to accept that password when I copypaste it [12:33:16] why is my ship getting hot D: [12:33:54] are you sure you pointed the engines away from the ship? :p [12:34:58] "I accept the *" [12:40:45] man i really need a new computer :/ [12:41:52] darsie: unfortunately i don't think this mod works in my version of ksp. [12:42:06] Sometimes they do. [12:43:24] well, i put it in my game folder and my ship still 'sploded. [12:43:35] ok [12:43:53] with the older graphics card seemingly half the games can't run... :/ [12:43:57] is "booking name" the reference number or the name I used when booking the hostel [12:44:16] mischief: If you give me the ship file I'll try it. [12:44:35] um.. ok [12:44:43] GlassYuri: i'd guess the name you used to book [12:44:46] darsie: i have ksp version 1.4.4 for windows [12:44:57] darsie: i had to fly to minmus and mine ore... so thats what i did. [12:44:59] I have 1.5.1 linux [12:45:13] hm. maybe i should update. it might be fixed [12:45:19] Eddi|zuHause, I guess so, I may have been confused because I (mis)remembered the form as asking for the number instead [12:45:21] it probably isn't [12:45:25] still the wording could be better [12:45:26] You didn't have to, it was your choice :). [12:46:29] have you ever had this feeling that you played a game for too long, tried a different game, didn't run, now you don't know what to play? [12:46:30]