[00:02:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:09:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:17:14] ...far too small for that. I have an idea though. [00:17:49] i have 256gb for all my programs [00:17:52] and windows [00:17:56] including steam games [00:18:08] and bunch of stuff i wanna have with me if i take my laptop somewhere [00:27:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:42:06] I took my CD-ROM drive out and was able to mount it in there using one screw. feels stable enough. [00:48:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:49:08] Evening, Gentlemen. [00:50:22] Evening, Supernovy. [01:18:21] These days...160GB is too small. rofl [01:38:31] Action: taniwha remembers when 80MB was too big [01:39:00] or when 1MB was nearly unimaginable [01:39:49] (ok, it wasn't really: just a box of floppies, but still, the though of 1MB was weird) [01:40:48] hardware really has come a long way so quickly [01:42:30] how old are you taniwha [01:42:41] 47 [01:44:58] The new launch site is a delicious delicacy. https://photos.app.goo.gl/jAHNh52Hr4hRQtzh8 [01:56:31] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:57:08] they misspelled "lunch" [01:59:55] Hah [03:04:42] challenge idea" collide into Kerbin with the highest velocity, ofc turn on Ignore Max Temperature [03:09:05] Achieving 20km/s impact is pretty easy [03:09:46] takes about 8km/s ”V [03:10:23] and a few years [03:43:50] Anything that is "get the highest velocity" will involve seperatrons. [03:55:19] nah, bielliptic [03:55:28] arrange for a head-on collision with Kerbin [03:55:39] want more? head-on with Moho [04:01:19] https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/16/17129966/iron-harvest-scythe-video-game-dieselpunk-mech-campaign-kickstarter-all-glory-to-polonia [04:04:05] you could probably impact at 50km/s+ with a little help from the Kerbol [04:06:05] bees: no [04:06:22] 20km/s is with help from the sun [04:06:45] er, no, 27 [04:07:00] (you need to be hyperbolic to get more) [04:07:13] which means less help from the sun [04:09:11] (the more hyperbolic excess velocity you have, the less the sun affects your velocity) [04:09:19] taniwha: Escape velocity 94?672.01 m/s [04:09:48] you cant exactly as low as Kerbol surface, but 50km/s is certanly within realms of possibility [04:10:00] bees: irrelevant [04:10:11] we had this discuission before... [04:11:24] tl;dr - if escape velocity of your orbit is 60km/s, you are at Pe exactly at escape velocity, and you burn for 4km/s - your speed at infinity would be sqrt(64^2-60^2) = 22.2km/s [04:11:36] more at kerbin orbit, idk how much more [04:13:37] literally https://xkcd.com/1244/ [04:13:43] you lose relative velocity hitting Kerbin non-tangentially [04:13:48] so knew it [04:13:54] that it will be this comic [04:14:14] yes, but with inflatable heat shield you can go low enough for it to be irrelevant [04:14:21] because you would gain more from the kerbol burn [04:14:51] just using jool to throw yourself into kerbin is much easier, sure [04:14:56] and still ~25km/s [04:15:01] just not the best way [04:15:18] and _maybe_ ion multi-stage from the outer solar system [04:15:33] it would probably beat both of it, but not before you die from boredom [04:16:29] when you're going fast enough, the "boost" you get from the sun is less significant [04:17:31] it is still more than simply going from outer system head-on [04:17:58] but you lose the head-on [04:18:40] and gain more than that [04:18:43] the question comes down to what it takes to make up for that since the faster you're going, the more perpendicular you are to Kerbin's orbit [04:18:56] you lose kerbin orbital speed, pretty much [04:19:13] what you gain depends on how effective inflatable heat shield is [04:19:17] probably more [04:20:14] you could also ion burn on your impactor on the way out, when it stops being hot enough to melt solar panels [04:20:59] bees: here's a vaguely related question for you: what's the ideal radius at which to circularize when capturing at a planet? [04:21:36] as low as possible [04:21:40] nope [04:21:56] define "circularize" then [04:22:01] _any_ orbit? [04:22:10] eccentricity = 0 [04:22:15] at any height? [04:22:16] there's no other meaning [04:22:19] any height [04:22:29] thus ideal radius [04:22:37] idk, never thought about this because not practically useful [04:22:37] (radius -> height) [04:22:59] ideal for simple capture is as low as possible, yes, but not for circularization [04:23:22] and it actually /is/ practically useful [04:23:38] i stopped actively playing before commnet [04:50:13] bees: if I did things correctly (ie, didn't feed garbage to maxima), the ideal radius is 2mu/Vinf [04:50:48] It's calcuable, but I think varies from surprisingly high altitudes to below the surface, depending on the body and approach speed. [04:52:03] I vaguely recall it being more complex. hrm [04:52:03] UmbralRaptop: yeah. iirc, 14 Earth radii for a Mars-Earth Hohmann transfer [04:52:30] so do I, thus my doubts about garbage [04:52:54] ;choose check taniwha's work|at 1 am? [04:52:55] UmbralRaptop: check taniwha's work [04:52:55] (particularly in getting maxima to find the minimum) [04:53:12] http://taniwha.org/~bill/circularize.mac [04:53:33] maxima is freely available [05:00:20] setup looks good [05:04:15] I get the same result without the ratsimp and num lines [05:04:51] so it's just the handling of maxima's non-solution that worries me [05:07:03] but it's simply squaring both sides and resolving, so should be valid [05:09:22] hmm, minimum ”V for circularizing is sqrt(Vinf/2) [05:10:29] Action: UmbralRaptop is getting (2 Ό)/Vinf [05:10:43] for radius [05:10:51] yeah [05:11:05] oh, sqrt(mu) [05:11:07] hmm [05:12:36] Action: UmbralRaptop tries to recall the units of Ό. m³/s²? [05:13:22] should be [05:13:45] since Ό/r² -> m/s² [05:14:08] yeah, [05:14:11] blarg [05:14:44] however, not sure dimentional analysis is directly useful for derivatives [05:16:11] yeah, DA give m²/s³ for r [05:16:26] (r=2Ό/Vinf) [05:18:08] I'm sure you /can/ use dimentional analysis with derivatives, but it's probably mildly complicated [05:18:22] (m/s)/m [05:18:47] 1/s doesn't seem right [05:21:49] sqrt(!) :) [05:22:23] except that's mu while Ό is really myu [05:22:42] (or mju in IPA) [05:22:57] i would say mό [05:23:47] anyway, we have either cows, or cows with an accent ;) [05:23:55] hehe [05:28:01] 4ΐΑΌr/3 [05:29:06] Hopefully your cows are in a 3-sphere. [05:29:24] https://i.imgur.com/yZwBtCI.gifv [05:29:33] 3-spherical cows [05:29:37] Action: UmbralRaptop had an algebra error earlier. [05:29:51] error 404, algebra not found :) [05:30:22] Vinf² = 2Ό/r = Vescape [05:30:45] -Vescape, maybe? [05:30:47] Althego: the algebra is a Lie [05:30:52] (rather than =) [05:30:54] yes, lie algebra [05:30:57] i like that [05:31:01] er, Vescape² [05:31:05] that too [05:31:44] er, hang on, Vesc = 2Ό/r [05:31:56] squared, of course :P [05:32:34] I guess that was the error [05:38:08] Well, it's a result that makes sense. [05:59:33] Vesc² = 2Ό/r, Vcirc² = Ό/r, Vinf² = V² - Vesc² [06:00:36] yeah [06:08:41] https://i.gyazo.com/9b9123d851151f7862f206f11a176c28.jpg - Here's how I mounted the older hard drive from my older computer. The main one is vertical behind the assembly, and there's one screw holding it in...usually a CD-ROM drive goes there. [06:47:30] how do I use the woomerang launch site? [06:47:45] I'm in sandbox [06:49:44] Neal: there's a little dropdown just below the launch button [06:49:48] or should be [06:51:02] nothing happens if I hover over the launch button. this is an old version, does that have anything to do with it? [06:51:16] no, just below the button [06:51:54] nothing there in the VAB [06:52:33] you have MH installed? [06:52:50] yup, on the latest version of KSP thanks to steams auto updates [06:53:14] there should be a little grey tab just below the green launch button [06:54:41] this is what I see https://i.imgur.com/fq2yFst.png [06:55:02] hmm, it's missing [06:55:21] maybe I need a new save? idk, I see the woomerang site on the map [06:55:32] like in tracking station view [06:55:49] ah, check AllowOtherLaunchSites in your sfs [06:56:08] (DIFFICULTY section) [06:58:35] there it is, thanks [06:58:49] cool [07:52:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Technicalfool' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:07:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/439759597515964419/20180428135210_1.jpg [13:33:25] I need to find some hd webcam to recording concerts [13:33:33] or whatever camera I can plug into my computer [14:35:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:35:57] there is some slight erosion inside my used nozzles [14:36:20] I don't think the glue is the cause of the white stuff but I will glue the nozzles in differently next time [14:36:52] also it seems the smaller nozzle absorbed more heat than the wider one [14:38:25] also the exhaust part of the nozzle looks a bit more white [15:45:57] Hey guys [16:09:07] ... [16:09:16] why its only this [16:16:40] GurrenLagannTSS: weekends [16:21:52] oh yeah today is saturday [16:21:56] makes sense [16:35:46] hey Draconiator [16:36:13] also why we have soo many operators [16:37:44] A good tyranny has many oppressors [16:37:58] hahahaha [16:41:13] >_> [16:41:49] 8 operators [16:41:53] too many [16:42:06] and there is 2-4 more [16:48:42] omg [16:55:42] m4v, stay here and use a client [16:58:28] Action: Mimiru facepalms [17:02:04] any mod packs containing engines without bases? want to create clusters without massive bases that clip the tanks [17:12:22] the making history expansion has this :) [17:13:05] NF has them too [17:19:19] i don't like the expansion. it's not worth it. [17:19:25] what is NF? [17:20:52] Near Future [17:22:15] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/155465-142-near-future-technologies-142-compatability/& [17:23:01] Bunch of differnet mots.. you want NF propulsion [17:23:04] https://i.gyazo.com/2f4a70f1e11531b74703388041b18285.png - lol, Acronis gave me a High Severity error because it can't detect that I installed Linux on it. [17:23:07] *mods [17:24:42] I really don't like drive cloning, fresh reinstalls are usually better [17:25:06] are there any other graphics enhancement mods I should have? I currently have scatterererrrr [17:26:50] EVE and Astronomer's Visual Pack [17:39:57] i just looked at near future prop. those are not normal engines and they all have bases. can't cluster them [17:41:30] they have switchable bases [17:44:01] Though I may be thinking of Cryogenic Engines, also by Nearta [17:52:41] Guest50529: If you want a really /big/ part pack with a touch of realism, go for SSTU. You can fully configure the engine bases there. [17:53:05] I need to go for now, but be back in half an hour or so, if I am needed. [17:55:21] Bye APlayer [18:15:45] I have returned. :-) [18:15:59] Yaay [18:25:17] The fish in the aquarium know I am about to feed them before I even grab the can of food. That's pretty impressive, actually. [18:31:07] Your fish are smart [18:44:24] m4v, USE A CLIENT [18:46:46] can you stop yelling at peoples [18:47:44] Fluburtur, my irc client is full of this has joined/quit [18:47:53] and so is mine [18:47:58] but am I yelling at everyone? [18:48:34] no [18:48:45] but m4v is annoying [18:48:47] so stop yelling at everyone [18:48:58] m4v is just afk [18:49:05] the most annoying this here is you yelling at everyone [18:49:15] for 10 million jool orbits [18:50:07] but Fluburtur, m4v just keepss beeing afk for 12,058,354 jool orbits [18:50:21] I don't care [18:50:36] 80% of peoples here are afk most of the time [18:50:47] plenty of peoples have clients with autojoin [18:50:51] i don like afk [18:50:53] ok [18:50:55] I don't care [18:50:58] no one cares [18:51:02] but me [18:51:05] so stop yelling at everyone [18:51:15] it clutters the irc more than peoples connecting and leaving [18:51:29] m4v is afk for 158.54 bilion years [18:51:42] and its flooding my cllient [18:51:47] then quit [18:58:02] Uh guys, please chill a bit [19:00:01] It's fine, mistakes happen. Join/quit spam is not the most pleasant thing, but it happens and it won't get better by yelling at people. Having said that, it's not nice to tell people to quit either. When m4v returns, tell them (politely) that their join/quit messages disturbed your IRC chat flow. But that's the most you can and should do. [19:16:04] GurrenLagannTSS: hide join/quit messages if they annoy you so much [19:18:55] how [19:19:25] For all channels: [19:19:25] Settings ’ Preferences ’ General ’ Check "Hide join and part messages" [19:19:32] took all of 20 seconds to google that [19:20:09] thx Ezko [20:11:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:14:55] what to do in ksp [20:15:40] mess around with kopernicus [20:18:09] choose mess around with kopernicus|launch a rocket [20:18:11] omg [20:18:22] how do i do that choose command [20:22:27] My choice: Launch a rocket [20:23:29] I choose: mess around in Principia with kRPC. [20:25:02] kerbal republic people's of china [20:25:48] Kerbals Realize that Programming is Cool. ;-) [20:26:43] Ezko: haven't you always wanted to write a C or Python code to control a rocket? [20:27:14] i'd be fine with kOS [20:28:22] UmbralRaptop: Do I need to know any undocumented KSP classes to use kRPC? Because it does sound fun, but KSPs documentation is rather limited, so I stick to kOS as well [20:29:08] Uh, not sure. >_>;; [20:29:22] mechjeb autopilot is starting to be pretty good [20:29:28] rip [20:29:35] i cant run principia [20:29:40] its 64-bit only [20:29:44] aaaaaaaaarrrrrggghhhh [20:30:43] are you running a computer that's older than you? [20:30:44] lol [20:30:54] even my phone is 64 bit [20:32:36] no [20:32:43] I mean, if I insert a sim card into a server rack, it will technically become a phnoe [20:32:47] my pc is from 2010 [20:32:47] Phone* [20:33:14] that should still be a 64 bit [20:33:22] So, if I have a server rack phone, I can boast that my phone has a 128-core CPU and 1 TB of RAM [20:33:26] unless somebody deliberately installed a 32 bit os [20:33:29] a amd-semptron [20:33:53] amd-semptrons will never be 64-bit [20:34:02] i think it is sempron [20:34:36] i think it is potato [20:34:45] and modern pcs costs around 4500 dollars (1500 of my currency) [20:34:56] where are you from [20:35:04] and what [20:35:13] my laptop was 1000 euros and runs ksp perfectly [20:35:18] as well as gtav for example [20:35:19] brazil [20:35:35] in brazil, everything is expensive [20:35:51] in space, everything is silent [20:35:53] have to sleep [20:38:30] and a dollar is 3 of my currency [20:46:40] If a dollar is 3 of your currency and a PC costs 1500 of your currency, then a PC costs 500 dollars [20:47:01] Which is pretty much true for modern high-end PCs [20:48:59] for some reason [20:49:11] i spawned 2 asteroids [20:49:21] during kerbin encounnter [20:49:59] hai kids. i need friends to talk space and ksp with. be fwends with me plz [20:50:43] Guest50529, you can talk to me [20:51:01] I don't think that's how "friends" work [20:51:13] i'm active from 11 AM BRT to 8 PM BRT [20:51:56] Except at school days [20:53:39] Action: UmbralRaptop blinks at Guest50529 [20:54:06] GurrenLagannTSS: BRT is UTC-4, right? [20:54:19] no, its UTC-3 [20:54:20] @APlayer teach me then [20:55:09] ah [20:55:22] Guest50529: Well, it takes more time than it took you to type out "be fwends with me plz", anyway [20:56:44] that actually took me a long time. I had to write it correctly then modify it to amuse myself :) [21:05:27] Good evening [21:05:51] \o [21:06:01] Heeloo! [21:06:16] Hey ve2dmn [21:06:30] Yesterday was the HB early unlock. Expect more Guest00000 I guess [21:08:08] Hm [21:08:30] Upgrade to 1.4.3 or not upgrade to 1.4.3... that is the question [21:09:06] I would stay with 1.3.1 but i havent checked the changelog to see if all the bugs were fixed [21:09:23] Exploding legs were fixed it seems [21:09:36] yeah [21:09:42] go for 1.4.3 [21:09:54] since my pc cant run 1.4.2 anyway [21:09:55] bummer. I like explosions... although it did make base-making more tickey [21:09:59] potato [21:10:40] The ultime KSP fan's amusement: If you like explosions, install enough mods to cause an actual explosion in your PC. [21:11:21] On that optimistic note, I'm off for today. See you! [21:11:55] Bye APlayer ! [21:13:18] also a tip [21:13:41] always colse your irc if you are leavng [21:13:49] close* [21:14:01] omg broken keyboard 2.0.3 [21:14:08] I keep it open, but I colourise it [21:14:12] leaving* [21:14:15] AH CMON [21:14:24] i hate my keyboard [21:24:39] yep [21:24:47] I turned ARSS [21:24:56] into Stock-made ARSS [21:46:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:49:13] its time to remove the zzzz [21:54:49] I am having a bad issue with the new update but i dont really know how to report it [21:55:05] Use the fourms [21:55:24] I dont know how to post [21:55:39] Action: GurrenLagannTSS facepalms [21:55:41] Or start a new topic [21:55:54] I cant find one that fits this problem [21:55:59] UmbralRaptop, here, explain to Guest44227 how the forums work [21:57:10] hrm [21:58:56] Guest44227: first, do you have a forum account? [21:59:04] no [22:00:08] he is new to the whole forum thing [22:00:14] sry [22:00:15] Okay, you'll want to click on the sign up button on the upper right of the main forum page. [22:02:14] ok thanks i verified it and everything [22:02:33] okay& [22:03:18] I'm going to assume that they can figure out how to post, and won't be surprised by needing approvals for their first few. [22:03:37] Guest50529 doesnt know how to post [22:04:08] Also, has anyone ever set CONIC_PATCH_LIMIT to 100? [22:10:08] .seen ellied [22:24:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [22:31:37] I keep placing vessels on different part of Kerbin, then going back to the space center and launching a new flight...And those vessels are dissapearing. wth [22:37:18] nvm. they might be blowing themselves up when they activate [23:04:34] so [23:04:48] my next rocket, should it had a 6,7 or 8mm nozzle? [23:10:12] my 8mm nozzle had better thrust than my 7mm one [23:10:33] but a previous 6mm nozzle got to 400g before ejecting [23:14:14] yes it should [23:14:43] should what [23:14:48] uh I can't talk tonight [23:14:55] too late, english broke [23:15:07] oh dog [23:15:32] im almost out of 22mm tube so I can only do one last test until I get some more [23:15:44] so I better make it count [23:15:50] what are you doing [23:15:57] testing rocket engines [23:16:09] like RS-25? [23:16:24] https://youtu.be/CW9NZvG9vH8?t=18 [23:17:02] use 8mm for the main thruster and 7mm for the boosters [23:17:25] well im just trying to see which has the best static thrust [23:17:31] I want to mount one on a rc plane [23:18:13] the thrust seems to be going a bit to the right [23:18:45] yeah the core hole isn't perfectly center [23:20:21] here is a playlist with all my rocket test https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5i55WwqU-3PE4-T8DaokfynMq_ejrvXI [23:35:25] I guess I will test the next one with a 6mm nozzle and shallow core just to help ignition [23:35:43] if it behaves like a end burner I guess it should reduce the white stuff [23:52:36] I should try coating the interior of a nozzle with epoxy in a future test [23:52:40] to see how it reacts