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[01:01:11] <Solar_Oracle> So they wrecked it enough they can't fix it? What on Kerbin did they do? Convert it into a pinball machine?
[01:03:16] Action: raptop would have to watch it to answer
[01:03:57] <Solar_Oracle> I think I would spend too much time yelling at the TV.
[01:04:06] <raptop> hah
[01:04:07] <Solar_Oracle> Like with Gravity.
[01:05:31] <Solar_Oracle> The actual stowaway part is really bothering me now. How did they not notice that during launch or, you know, before.
[01:07:01] <raptop> "Corporate says that doing a full inspection is a waste, we can knock 30 minutes off of prep time if we just walk in and launch"
[01:07:04] <raptop> At least that's my assumption
[01:18:44] <Solar_Oracle> The Kerbal way of range safety.
[01:20:02] <Solar_Oracle> Spaceflight isn't really forgiving to the kinds of structural errors needed for Stowaway to work.
[01:22:53] <Solar_Oracle> https://locusmag.com/2014/03/cory-doctorow-cold-equations-and-moral-hazard/
[01:23:33] <raptop> Given the way the pandemic has played out, it's not particularly difficult to imagine massive institutional/management failures
[01:25:45] <Solar_Oracle> This is the kind of failure that ensures you probably wouldn't get into orbit because your rocket was one kilogram overweight.
[01:33:53] <Solar_Oracle> I'm getting the impression Event Horizon did this better.
[01:39:11] <Solar_Oracle> https://youtu.be/WCwXJMVVdck
[01:42:12] <Solar_Oracle> I see the problem here. They were using USI instead of Snacks!
[01:43:30] <Solar_Oracle> For reference, the ship on the right is what the Stowaway and 3 crew came aboard. I'm not sure why there was a panel large enough that they could hide behind. https://cultbox.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Stowaway-featurette.png
[01:44:36] <Solar_Oracle> And if that's meant to be a ship intended to rendezvous with a Cycler on a perpetual Mars transfer orbit, the extra 70 kilograms or so are definitely going to be noticed.
[01:47:26] <raptop> ah, using the wrong resources mod would definitely cause problems!
[01:50:02] <Solar_Oracle> Now if they were using the original Kethane mod, they could've just chucked the stowaway in the KE-WAITNONOSTOP-01 and was their hands of the matter in fresh kethane.
[01:57:26] <Solar_Oracle> http://tomasrousek.com/portfolio-item/2336/
[01:59:35] <Solar_Oracle> This one has a PDF! http://www.artificial-gravity.com/ISU-2010-Rousek.pdf
[02:01:59] <Solar_Oracle> Interestingly, the setup uses an off-axis electric propulsion system, where I seem to think most tether spun spaceships use center-mounted motors or do not use propulsion at all when under spin.
[02:03:01] <Solar_Oracle> And the paper detailing how this method even works is also free http://www.spacearchitect.org/pubs/AIAA-2008-7499.pdf
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[02:21:41] Action: raptop is perhaps overly down on cyclers
[02:22:10] <raptop> But then, their niche is one that might not actually happen
[02:22:14] <Althego> o'neill cylinders?
[02:23:20] <raptop> aldrin cyclers and the like, per what Solar_Oracle was talking about
[02:23:57] <Althego> ah cycler, not cylinder
[02:24:05] <raptop> That whole thing where you want to massively reuse some piece of orbital infrastructure to move a bunch of people with highish launch costs (though presumably good recycling so consumables aren't too much of an issue)
[02:37:25] <Althego> hah https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1387233670897963010
[02:38:00] <raptop> Nice
[02:40:24] <Althego> no news on the fourth flight date
[02:40:31] <Althego> or what it is going to contain
[03:01:48] <Althego> what? zombie + world of thanks + girls und panzer?
[03:06:17] <Althego> -h
[03:12:27] <raptop> Somehow, I feel like there's a large overlap in the audiences of the 2nd and 3rd of those
[03:12:57] Action: raptop is also vaguely reminded of when Fubuki played World of Warships, and appared to mostly be driving her namesake
[03:19:20] <Althego> is there a shimakaze in that game? :)
[03:20:07] <Althego> seems there is :)
[03:21:22] Action: raptop hasn't looked that much into the game
[03:21:42] <raptop> but yay
[03:21:46] <raptop> Hrm, does that mean that the fun refits of the kitakami and oi are available?
[03:58:35] <Izaya> https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FE0BxRZJVUAUSOYg.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig 
[04:04:16] <raptop> Coolest mars image this week. Which *sounds* like a low bar, but isn't
[04:13:07] <Althego> hehe i was faster :)
[04:13:17] <Althego> the timer was at 4m when i linked it
[04:13:24] <raptop> hah
[04:13:44] <Althego> there is one issue, the rover is at the corner
[04:14:25] <Althego> maybe there will be one later which is closer
[04:14:32] <Izaya> ngl I was trying to post that to another channel but dropped it here by mistake
[04:14:35] <Althego> if they decide to not push it past its limits
[04:14:36] <Izaya> image from previous link here
[04:14:45] <Althego> the heli could accompany the rover for a whiel
[04:15:03] <raptop> heh
[04:15:34] Action: raptop is under the impression that because of downtime/recharging issues, the rover is overall faster than the helicopter
[04:18:00] <Althego> the rover stays in place for long times
[04:18:05] <Althego> to get data on rocks
[04:18:41] <Althego> also if the heli can fly 100 m per sol, it is about as fast as the rover
[04:18:49] <raptop> that too
[04:19:11] <Althego> even if it dies soon, the next one will be way better
[04:19:26] <Althego> but i would disappointed if they didnt use the heli for some mars science
[04:19:38] <Althego> jpl, uh, finds a way :)
[04:20:20] <raptop> let's see, sensors...
[04:20:29] <raptop> inertial sensors, laser altimiter, 2 navcams
[04:20:39] <Althego> when curiosity landed, they even used the com offset weights after ejected. they hit mars and colelcted some surface science from that
[04:20:50] <raptop> :D
[04:21:05] <raptop> I expect that flying over stuff with those instruments can yield a lot
[04:22:24] <Althego> i would expect the color camera to be used for mapping terrain ahead of the rover. resolution is low for things far away, so it can just go there first
[04:22:34] <Althego> that alone would boost planning
[04:27:53] <Althego> the battery i removed from the s7 is completely puffed up now. too bad i didnt make a timelapse
[04:28:19] <Althego> not safe to keep in the house anymore
[04:28:36] <Althego> maybe i just need to poke it out so it bursts in fire when i can watch it
[04:30:07] <raptop> forbidden pillow
[04:34:03] <Althego>  this was underwhelming. nothing happened
[04:34:11] <Althego> i leave it out there for now
[04:42:47] <Althego> what, 3 launches in the next 24 hours? and maybe starship too?
[04:43:31] <Althego> there is one stream up for starlink https://www.rocketlaunch.live/launch/starlink-25
[04:43:41] <Althego> oh rather this https://youtu.be/RBxkRKZ34yo
[04:44:02] <raptop> nice
[04:44:29] <Izaya> > has API that returns JSON
[04:44:32] <Izaya> > no RSS
[04:44:33] <Izaya> why
[04:44:47] <raptop> youtube?
[04:44:52] <Althego> never used rss my whole lif
[04:44:53] <Izaya> no that rocketlaunch.live site
[04:44:58] <raptop> ah
[04:45:02] <Althego> !nela
[04:45:03] <Kerbot> Althego => Vega - Pléiades-Neo 3 - Thu Apr 29, 2021 01:50:00 UTC (L-21:04:20) - https://rocketlaunch.live/launch/pleiades-neo-3 for info/stream
[04:45:09] <Althego> this is from the json
[04:45:18] <Izaya> I'm an exceedingly heavy RSS reader
[04:45:27] <Izaya> s/reader/user/
[04:45:31] <Althego> hehehe
[04:45:36] <Izaya> my exceedingly heavy RSS reader of choice is QuiteRSS
[04:45:37] Action: raptop uses RSS a fair amount
[04:45:50] <raptop> (albeit a friend's ttRSS instance)
[04:46:05] <Izaya> not sure how one's meant to represent future dates in RSS though
[04:46:06] <Izaya> so ???
[04:48:19] <Althego> next month there is another rocketlab recovery
[04:49:01] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/StCVCiK.png 
[04:54:45] <raptop> Ah, and I thought having like 3k unread arxiv listings was bad
[04:56:09] <Izaya> I read what looks interesting and purge the rest after a few months
[04:56:46] <Izaya> guess I'll write a script to turn those JSON responses into an RSS feed
[04:56:48] <Izaya> what a pain
[04:57:16] <Althego> there is also this https://nextrocket.space/
[04:57:26] <Althego> very similar
[04:57:35] <Althego> not always the same, but in the long term they converge
[06:00:45] <raptop> Althego: is it good or bad that I accidentally ran across a flat earth subreddit?
[06:01:02] <raptop> (I think almost entirely by a single person)
[06:01:40] <Althego> lol
[06:59:11] <Althego> zombanwa
[06:59:26] <Althego> i still had a flat earth video
[06:59:33] <Althego> that will have to wait
[07:02:03] <kubi> Izaya: that is a nice RSS collection
[07:03:19] <kubi> I try to build up one for economic and industry news, but RSS/ATOM seems to be adandonned by a lot of portals :(
[07:22:49] <Izaya> almost as if the powers that be are trying to kill it because it cuts into ad revenue
[07:23:21] <Althego> hehehe
[07:24:26] <kubi> yes and no
[07:24:39] <kubi> ad revenue could come from the article
[07:24:58] <kubi> this way I do not even go to their website
[07:25:03] <Izaya> yup
[07:25:21] <Izaya> it's like sites that block you for using ad blockers, guess I didn't need the info on the site that much.
[07:25:35] <kubi> yes, I have some of those
[07:25:48] <kubi> but most of them are really basic protection
[07:25:53] <Althego> hehe it is like games that are not on gog. so you have chosen to not need my purchase
[07:26:07] <kubi> ublock origin ZAP function kills the overlay blockers :)
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[09:07:12] <Mat2ch> oh noes, spoilers in the backlog! How dare you? :D
[09:07:21] <Mat2ch> an wen hop?
[09:10:25] <Althego> possibly tomorrow? :)
[09:11:10] <Althego> https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_6144.html
[09:11:34] <Mat2ch> not today? :(
[09:11:43] <Althego> that was yesterday
[09:11:55] <Althego> yesterday it was tomorrow, and today it is tomorrow too
[09:12:03] <Althego> but maybe heli flight
[09:36:02] <FLHerne> Various objections from the FCC's Starlink alteration document: https://puu.sh/HC383/283c1a99b2.png
[09:56:31] <Mat2ch> Somebody is having fears about their business it seems.
[11:39:08] <Althego> heh german pun https://external-preview.redd.it/irseRaXb9h2a08vVuU6QUc3nwgMjFJ6VWTahHWZyoIo.jpg?auto=webp&s=a6845a8c5bb2c3d28323dca900f3f278058d2485
[12:10:10] <Althego> oh i forgot. glory to takamori
[12:31:41] <darsie> .
[13:01:03] <Mat2ch> Althego: autsch.
[13:01:11] <Althego> hehe
[13:04:33] <Mat2ch> here, have some memes that hurt in english: https://imgur.com/gallery/PqxiMZa
[13:06:12] <Althego> hehe
[13:07:08] <Althego> i like these
[13:07:34] <Mat2ch> go steal them. They are memes, set them free!
[13:11:49] <JVFoxy> would you like a drink, yes or no?
[13:11:52] <JVFoxy> c.c
[13:18:11] <sandbox> "it hurts when I touch my shoulder"
[13:20:18] <sandbox> I've been tempted to respond in a similar way when peopls say things like "my game crashes whenever I do x"
[13:29:12] <JVFoxy> They tell you to stop throwing it out the window?
[13:32:37] <Althego> phoenix vs reaper 5 - 0
[13:33:57] <JVFoxy> ... rise from the ashes vs everything dies, its all ashes
[13:38:48] Action: X rises from the ashes to note that he is indeed a frequent cause of copulation related game crashes.
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[14:32:46] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehDyLNlwDwI
[14:34:48] <darsie> Auctioneer turned controller ^
[14:35:05] <Althego> the comments say it is hilarious, but he does his job well
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[18:03:29] <Althego> wait, did i forget about tinfoil tuesday?
[18:03:58] <Mat2ch> yes
[18:04:21] <darsie> Tinfoil is a scam. It's all aluminium foil.
[18:04:47] <Althego> yes, only english speaking people call it like that
[18:04:53] <Althego> i call it alufólia
[18:05:00] <darsie> Alufolie
[18:05:03] <darsie> Zinnfolie
[18:05:05] <Mat2ch> Exactly
[18:05:21] <Althego> it is in the name what it is made of
[18:05:22] <darsie> Very old ppl might say Stanniolpapier.
[18:05:26] <Althego> similar to pencil lead
[18:05:47] <darsie> Many ppl still say atom instead of tom.
[18:05:55] <Althego> which is also not lead, but lead for english speaking people
[18:06:02] <Althego> hehe
[18:06:04] <darsie> Bleistift
[18:06:13] <Althego> so germans too
[18:06:49] <darsie> Im Bleistift ist eine Mine.
[18:06:59] <darsie> Im Bleistift ist eine Mine aus Graphit.
[18:08:22] <darsie> graphein means to write.
[18:31:14] <Althego> heh there are already rumor about zen 5. not even zen 4 is more than a trickle of information, possibly a year away, and i doubt anything about zen 5 is real
[18:31:49] <darsie> zen?
[18:31:56] <Althego> amd architecture
[18:32:02] <darsie> .
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[18:53:32] <Deddly> OK so the reason why the video of the helicopter was low framerate is because Perseverance doesn't have a video camera. It was taking still images in burst mode. Interesting
[18:54:47] <Althego> i was hoping for a few pictures and they made a video, i quite happy with the low framerate too
[20:01:42] <Deddly> Yeah, amazing all round really. Can't believe they're not going to keep it and use it for scouting on this mission