[00:00:11] once i get the magnet code going I'll tidy up the rest of the code and release it on the forum as I have the others [00:01:25] Wait, so you were the ORIGINAL developer of IR? [00:01:48] yup [00:02:07] Action: GuestBanana bows deeply in respect for his elders [00:02:19] pfft no need for that :) [00:03:17] the others who added the sequencer mod and other goodies deserve the bow, they made it way more interesting and useful than me [00:04:17] wait... how can you have not played the game if the official IR thread says "edited May 5, 2016"? [00:05:10] i would update it when needed [00:05:26] just wouldnt play the game, had a daughter so things got hectic [00:05:39] oh, well that explains things [00:06:14] I've been playing stock-casual the past year, but have lately wanted to move into a mod-light setup [00:07:07] i "play" stock when coding lol [00:07:31] Just some useful stuff like whatever that mod is that improves the burn time estimation, Kerbal Alarm Clock, maybe even MechJeb [00:08:12] I wanted to make a mod to make asteroid more... interesting? [00:08:17] I gave up :( [00:08:24] Is MechJeb cheating? [00:08:49] (I won't care either way, throw all your emphatic feelings at me) [00:08:51] "There is no wrong way to play" [00:09:12] yeah what ve2dmn said [00:09:15] ve2dmn: amen brother [00:09:20] i love MechJeb [00:09:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:09:55] I think Mechjeb is cheating. But it's only cheating in the context I play the game. I used it sometimes to test things [00:10:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:10:45] With a different mod lineup, it would proably be required [00:12:05] I hate my imperfect human brain messing up launches. I mean, that's usually because I over-build things massively (oh, right, I want KER in that setup too) but I always overbuild the top of the rocket instead of the bottom [00:12:33] I think MechJeb could help that, but I'd have to make sure I can actually build good rockets [00:12:38] GuestBanana: that's why I use kOS [00:16:26] kOS is pure awesome [00:18:15] I haven't been in a very code-ey mood lately, if you know what I mean [00:35:40] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/929298290927182543/4A323FD5538D1891D9BBDDCFEA4A9A21AD495FB7/ [00:37:32] I just saved this mission with kOS. Realized the antennas were going to overheat on re-entry; "wait until alt:radar < 5000. stage." and the chutes pop on time :) [00:38:05] Do all bodies with "water" have those rare splashed down locations ?! [00:38:26] Guest41964, rare? Are you running the Field Science contract mod? [00:38:39] I don't remember stock having that [00:38:41] I think so. With splashed being a state of the craft. [00:39:02] unless this is a mod question. [00:39:33] No. I only run x-science and had a hard time getting them all on kerbin. So I kind of hoped the other bodies were different^^ No mod question just a random question I had. [00:40:01] Guest41964, well it's not like you *have* to do them all [00:40:16] Stock has splashed down for all the usual biomes, exept the micro ones and baikerbanur [00:40:26] Oh ok [00:40:38] "It's not like you have to do them all" well you don't know me :D [00:41:18] Ah, a 100%'er? Have fun with KSP lol [00:42:33] Well I have done all kinds of stuff in the years I played ksp and now I want to try and step by step get all the science. Must be possible I guess. And yeah that 100% stuff is a really bad habbit or I guess you could say mental disease... [00:43:58] If you really get all the science, you can max out the tech tree without leaving Kerbin system. I forget if you need the lab or not. [00:44:41] One of many reasons I run CTT [00:45:07] I got all the science on kerbin allready. And its SOI, only the moons are left and I guess minmus alone should be more than I need. [00:46:26] just realized i bought the game in april, the last month the dlc will be free [00:46:28] _whew_ [00:48:16] The strangeness with splash down in non-wet terrain is in stock. Field Service or Science or whatever contracts gives you the pointers on where, and pays you for the research. [00:49:22] I don't use contract configurator since I always felt it has a rather big performance impact. [00:49:50] The only hard ones are splashed down in mountains and highlands. [02:00:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:28:27] You don't need the lab to max out science in the Kerbin SOI. I've still not figured out how or why to use the lab and I've done it. [02:40:23] Mathuin, ok good to know. The lab gives you 5x science on everything (terribly OP) or at least it used to. [03:16:19] lordcirth: And how do you get it? YOu bring the science there instead of home? [03:16:35] Can't web browse while playing Civ6 or I'd look it up now. [03:16:58] Mathuin, yes, you staff it with scientists, give it EC, and load data into it. They crank out 5x more science. [03:19:37] Fascinating. That'd make a great core to a munar station. [03:19:55] Put one of those around Minmus and you've pretty much got enough science for almost anyone. [03:33:21] !nextlaunch [03:42:30] hey guys. Firespitter 1.3 seems to be crashing my game while loading and i have no idea why. can someone help me out by looking at a log or knowing whats incompatible with it? i can provide a log i just dont know how to over IRC [03:45:43] viper paste it into hastebin or something [03:45:50] okay [03:45:56] Or upload the log file to Google or whatever and then link it here [03:52:08] here it is in google https://drive.google.com/open?id=15-QvMnLwyzE0JaetIjfqBrztK9cEKhC0 [03:53:27] Mathuin, yeah, about 3 biome landers on Minmus and you've maxed out the tech tree. It's OP. [03:53:54] viper, .rar? really? [03:54:31] ? [03:54:49] .rar is a decade obsolete and requires patented software to open [03:54:52] .rar is rather annoying, but passable [03:55:04] 7zip is good [03:55:12] 7zip is excellent. [03:55:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hat7u1SPlA [03:55:41] YouTube - 10 Ways Space Travel Will Change In The Next 100 Years [05:57:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:25:58] wtf https://twitter.com/ice_FR9/status/968714292873826304 [07:25:58] ŒK‰É³É³É³É³óY‹K‰„yüÊf‹cfc_‰Þ¸gäÙütf_... https://t.co/io1Tb24XEX [07:39:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:32:58] google can, for whatever reason, convert square yuan to square dollar https://www.google.co.jp/search?dcr=0&ei=FoWWWub3D4yk8AWG1oSIAw&q=100%E5%B9%B3%E6%96%B9%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E5%85%83&oq=100%E5%B9%B3%E6%96%B9%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E5%85%83&gs_l=psy-ab.3...19731.20979.0.21610.3.3.0.0.0.0.92.244.3.3.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.pACgoMsQ4Dc [10:34:30] (I didn't discover it, there was a screenshot on twitter where it misinterpreted a japanese name as "1 square yuan") [10:39:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:49:01] taniwha: shipping down to Hiroshima [10:49:04] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/If3xkjhL/IMG_1297.JPG [10:49:24] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/A8oJePzg/IMG_1298.JPG [10:49:44] looks heavy [10:59:26] taniwha: painfully heavy [10:59:39] Need a crane or the forklift to move it at all. [10:59:47] yeah [11:00:26] taniwha: the yard sold it for 250,000 which seemed kinda low considering how much time we had to put toward it [11:08:51] truck engine? [11:24:00] yeah, that does seem cheapish [12:02:53] Mat2ch: range Rover [12:25:32] now that I ordered my 3d printer I will finalyl be able to make the tf2 mini sentry for my cousin [12:28:47] :) [12:36:50] TheKosmonaut: almost right :) [12:45:04] Mat2ch: I would like to do small cars [12:45:14] This truck was a pain [12:50:40] I heard there are a lot of very small cars in Japan... but you get the big ones ;) [12:52:23] i like small cars, but i am very tall, so i do not fit properly in them :P [12:55:45] I once sat in a Lotus Elise. It was a convertible, luckily for me. [12:57:19] I was once on a bus that crashed into a Lotus Elise [12:57:35] that doesn't count. :D [13:07:03] that doesn't sound survivable for the passengers of the elise [13:08:21] it wasn't that bad [13:08:43] and I think it was just the driver [13:22:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/418397594872709120/DSC_8459.JPG [13:22:53] getting there [13:23:04] if im productive I could be done with that today [13:25:45] now I will have to make it look nice https://img.planespotters.net/photo/312000/original/f-zbfp-securite-civile-canadair-cl-415_PlanespottersNet_312057_1cd963a875.jpg [13:31:26] Fluburtur: how well does the paint stick to the tape? [13:32:05] not too bad [13:32:07] Fluburtur: guess where i might get to go on friday [13:32:08] I sanded it [13:32:18] your museum? [13:32:24] Fluburtur: no, a different museum [13:32:34] Pima [13:32:34] Mat2ch I tried to mix the paint with water but it didn't stick too well [13:32:49] im gonna rescue a plane from the boneyard [13:32:53] but the bottom is only paint [13:32:54] nice [13:33:36] Fluburtur: apparently they have a 787 on display [13:33:39] which is surprising [13:33:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:34:08] be sure to take pics [13:53:40] https://78.media.tumblr.com/cf664c1d6c4298f955792775087199f2/tumblr_mgfc5lFrsw1qzpzfmo1_540.jpg [13:56:45] we may already be the aliens of martian origins [13:56:47] -s [13:57:24] panspermia is my fav space theory [14:01:08] https://twitter.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/966853881840971776 [14:01:09] If you don't think insects can be cute, you haven't seen baby Orchid Mantises... https://t.co/oYOW4Vymz5 [14:07:39] amazlngnature eh [14:09:10] mantises are scary [14:10:35] not as bad as cazadors ;p [14:26:25] http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-905 [14:48:20] Fluburtur: https://giant.gfycat.com/OldfashionedUnlinedAdder.webm [14:48:40] nice [14:49:25] I NEED THIS. [14:49:37] well [14:49:51] I could wait to have my 3d printer and use my prop making skills to make one [14:49:53] shouldn't be hard [14:50:00] then when I visit you I give you one [14:51:24] A study by the EU found out that insecticides kill insects. Wow. :D [14:51:36] (actually bees, but they're insects as well ;P ) [14:51:40] who knew [14:51:40] nice [14:51:53] how would you make the base? [14:52:04] The glowing thing there? [14:52:36] transparent plastic [14:52:45] and a bunch of lights [14:52:54] wet sanded and maybe some paint to make it even [14:55:00] http://vexmatech.com/images/img-m/images/cpla2.jpg [14:55:25] won't let as much light through as proper transparent stuff but it's meant to be an ambiant light anyways [14:57:17] Yep, Should be almost white, when not lit [14:57:35] well I will add that to my list of stuff to make then [14:57:44] be sure to remind me once my printer is there [14:58:59] I'm looking forward to seeing a Falcon Heavy printed :D [14:59:28] heh [14:59:42] not sure how detailed I will be able to make it [15:01:06] this one is fun http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-424 [15:06:49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA2YazzURlg [15:06:50] YouTube - Marble Machine X #27 - What is Most Important, Talent or Hard Work? [15:07:58] \o/ [15:10:25] So I was at the local science museum with my kids, and they had a big exhibit courtesy of NASA with a six foot model of the SLS block 1, a 1-foot diameter model of the Orion capsule, and lots of stickers [15:10:37] it were a blast [15:10:51] stickers? [15:10:52] halcyon_b: MUSEUM [15:10:57] M U S E U M [15:11:03] MUUUUUUSEEEEEUUUM [15:11:05] halcyon_b: you woke up the beast [15:11:12] you triggered it [15:11:13] halcyon_b: what museum [15:11:15] Anyone know if they were doing it at a bunch of different places? [15:11:31] WHAT MUSEUM YOU MONSTER [15:11:33] well, at the risk of giving away my location, Science Museum Oklahoma in OKC [15:11:53] well considering only 5 people live in Oklahoma city, ur screwed [15:12:15] halcyon_b: NASA sends that kinda crap out a lot, randomly [15:12:26] anyways [15:12:29] I like museums [15:12:32] museum's are nice [15:13:28] We've got a few nice museums now, Museum of Modern Art, Sam Noble Natural History Museum, Science Museum Oklahoma... too bad so many Oklahomans are allergic to knowledge [15:13:56] halcyon_b: I practically spend like 15% of my free time in a museum [15:14:07] the national museum of the USAF to be specific [15:18:17] is it free, or do you have a membership? [15:18:36] he lives in there [15:18:43] hides in it at night [15:18:47] AZttic or basement [15:19:07] halcyon_b: free entrance courtesy of the USAF [15:19:34] halcyon_b: it's 4 massive hangars full of planes, I don't need an attic, i just hide in one of them [15:25:40] Fluburtur: they skipped the beard question! [15:25:46] heh [15:33:04] halcyon_b: honestly I can't think of a federal museum that costs money [15:33:37] not directly at least [15:34:28] the air force missile museum down in cape Canaveral is free but you gotta pay like 26 dollars at KSC to get onto the base [15:35:21] Makes sense. I don't think I've ever been to a federal museum [15:35:56] halcyon_b: well federally funded, like military museum's or the smithsonian [15:59:21] Rokker, [15:59:30] so which of those museums are the best? [16:09:07] That's a loaded question. The defintion of 'best' depends mostly on what you want to see. [16:10:59] ve2dmn, best is up to Rokker - and i'd say i am relying on his opinion about the best aviation museums in US [16:13:50] I'd go with "depends on where in the US you are" [16:15:27] ah, right. i also thought about that [16:26:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib6TC0JVfi8 [16:26:59] YouTube - Please Turn Your Phone 90 Degrees For KST [16:32:05] Gasher: NMUSAF is the best of courae [16:32:07] course [16:38:48] when is the next launch? [16:39:15] .nextlaunch [16:39:16] Falcon 9 Full Thrust | Hispasat 30W-6 (Hispasat 1F) - https://www.youtube.com/c/spacex/live - TBD/NET March 1, 2018 05:34:00 UTC [16:39:19] ^ [16:44:41] ve2dmn: probably not actually [16:45:04] ve2dmn: there have been some complications with that because you have a falcon and atlas launch scheduled 21 hours apart [16:47:50] ve2dmn: and as far as I know, ULA is definitely launching [16:47:56] spacex might not be [16:48:28] that data is from http://launchlibrary.net/ [16:48:32] ve2dmn: if they launch it will be the first time in 52 years that 2 launches have happened on the same day [16:48:51] ve2dmn: I'm aware of where it's from, I was present when the bot was made [16:49:16] ve2dmn: this is speculation from the spacex channel on esper. we've been talking about it all week [16:50:36] ve2dmn: https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/967270883713679360 see that second bit, the one about range availability. they don't need that one afaik [16:50:37] <SpaceX> Standing down from this weekend's launch attempt to conduct additional testing on the fairings pressurization syst& https://t.co/ttzPZIaMZF [16:50:55] yes it was delayed even after that again [16:51:06] I'm at work, so will check later [16:51:19] suposedly it will happen while i am goin to work [16:51:43] https://i.gyazo.com/fa30aaf77a043ba1d25fad210338b977.png - ummmm I landed like 2KM away from my intended target now I have to drive all the way there lol [16:52:28] ve2dmn: can confirm now with 100% accuracy, launch is delayed [16:52:42] Fluburtur: next launch is an atlas in 29 hours [16:52:59] ok [17:56:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:14:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:18:20] http://www.warpology.com/k/nocauseforalarm.png [18:18:47] the space station core is status is nominal [18:19:29] i especially like that shock collar in the middle [18:19:35] i dont even know what causes it [18:19:47] What's the offending part? [18:19:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:20:05] That sonic boom , if it is one, looks rather beautiful @Althego [18:20:20] Or is it a Mach cone? [18:20:25] That's Mach 5.62 according to KER [18:20:32] So it could be the cone, but why there I guess. [18:20:34] Oh, yeah [18:21:03] i think those may be the hidden parachutes for the returning of the first stage [18:21:09] but they never did that before [18:22:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o NBones' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:22:39] I can see why the docking ports are contributing their share. [18:30:05] there are 4 struts reinforcing the bond between the tanks and the devoupler, because there is the probe core and batteries inside, offset into the tanks [18:30:12] maybe those 4 struts are doing that [18:36:56] I always have bad luck with offsetting parts into other parts. [18:37:33] Especially rectangular parts like batteries inside curved parts like tanks. [19:07:33] https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/80xuhs/canadian_american_and_norwegian_engineering/ [19:08:24] https://www.yahoo.com/tech/moon-getting-mobile-data-network-165617866.html [19:11:08] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:13:56] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: I'm not saying it was Kerbals, but IT WAS KERBALS! [19:14:35] hehe [19:14:41] each day a new sentence [19:16:29] Althego: And there will be TILL THE END OF TIME. [19:17:30] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:17:39] Evening, Gentlemen. [19:19:47] I don't know which is worse: The fact that two people wrote a serious three page paper based on the plot of Species, or the fact that the person who linked said paper didn't actually bother making it to the conclusion https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/turn-deaf-ear-to-data-received-by-aliens/ [19:21:11] From the Digital Trends article: "The bottom line is, humans shouldnt translate any code received from space, nor should we transmit code." [19:21:17] From the actual paper, "Message Decontamination is Impossible": "Overall, we believe that the risk is very small (but not zero), and the potential benefit very large, so that we strongly encourage to read an incoming message." [19:24:45] Just like in Independence Day, alien software and hardware would be COMPLETELY LIKE OUR OWN and thus vulnerable to viruses. [19:29:59] Scolar_Visari: yes. Just like computer virus on Windows works on Linux with no changes whatsoever [19:31:20] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:31:29] ve2dmn: I half wonder if the authors actually know how computers work. [19:31:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:31:47] Like, did no one tell them that sentient AIs aren't really a thing and may never be? [19:31:57] They probably *THINK* they do [19:32:17] Oh no . . . I think I know what happened. They got all their knowledge about the subject by watching Transcendence. [19:32:24] yes the id4 virus thing was totally laughable [19:33:02] Also, I don't understand if, in Independance day, if he could write a virus capable of turning off the shields, why not write one to overload the core or something? [19:33:02] Althego: I could almost understand a DOS attack, but a virus. Seriously? Also: Did the aliens not have any patches in the decades since the little fighter's capture? [19:33:30] UmbralRaptop: BEHOLD! https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/turn-deaf-ear-to-data-received-by-aliens/ [19:36:03] Action: UmbralRaptop saw the paper on arXiv, but has no comment. [19:36:40] UmbralRaptor: Amusingly, the Digitial Trends article ends with the exact opposite conclusion as the authors. [19:37:17] ¯\_(Ä)_/¯ [19:38:28] It's almost like reading two and a half pages of work would've caused them physical pain in writing their 517 word article. [19:39:04] Scolar_Visari: it take less time and most people won't notice the difference [19:39:41] We also will not blame the writter, but probably the publisher. So the author's reputation is 'mostly' intact [19:40:20] Dear Digital Trends: Feed your writer to ravenous alligators. Sincerely yours, Autarch Scholar Visari of Helghan. [19:43:25] Action: Scolar_Visari has now seen a way to make the Falcon 9 stage even dinkier https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nOTnjp-mA9M/WVTLdKZrg3I/AAAAAAAAApc/dgnfn1QySqkzuo65LgMA4BdqTOepb_aqgCLcBGAs/s1600/spacex.jpg [19:43:29] *Upper stage [19:43:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:45:33] Action: Scolar_Visari snicker at the space plane-esque nature of the proposed BFR upper stages. [19:49:13] What's the official name of BFR again? Big Falcon Rocket? [19:49:17] yes [19:49:44] should have named it bfr 9000 :) [19:49:46] We all know it stand for more... vulgar... things [19:50:08] or BFR 9001 [19:51:30] ve2dmn: I always went for the rail guns myself. [19:51:39] Discussing the International Standards Organization is incredibly vulgar. [19:52:41] as9100 [19:53:56] Scolar_Visari: I think you have the wrong reference there... [19:54:30] Action: Scolar_Visari notes rail guns might have one or two pick up points as opposed to the difficult to reach one of the BFG [19:54:36] However, rocket jumping is always fun. [19:54:39] Also: SPLASH DAMAGE! [19:55:06] ... Now I feel like a dinosaur [19:55:08] original doom didnt have railguns [19:55:11] ^ [19:55:47] i liked the plasma guns [19:55:47] Althego: Doom? Psht, play Quake II, peasant! [19:56:02] Scolar_Visari: get off my lawn! [19:56:06] i could never play quake 2 because even 1 was barely running [19:56:11] kids, theses days... [19:56:36] in fact i skipped all later quakes, and when i got a better computer they were already old [19:56:52] Quake III's still surprisingly popular. [19:56:57] ...no appriciation for the true origins of the classics [19:57:17] and i was never an fps fan [19:57:21] ve2dmn: The classics made me physically nauseous. [19:57:30] only mirror's edge :) [19:57:37] Action: Scolar_Visari could not play Wolfenstein or Doom 1 -2 for more than thirty minutes at a time. [19:57:40] even 15 minutes is very bad for me [19:57:46] Pharaoh and Caesar III, ont he other hand . . . [19:58:05] after 1 hour i have to stop because of nausea, headache, and eye issues [19:58:10] Scolar_Visari: I usually play Star Control II or similar back in thoses days... [19:58:26] Action: Scolar_Visari also ponders why science-fiction authors think that point defense cannons are the only anti-missile defense systems on actual naval craft, ignoring that those dozens of SAMs can still hit other missiles [19:58:44] ve2dmn: I did not start that till Imperium Galactica II, the best Galactica. [19:59:24] hah, hungarian game [19:59:37] A good title that one [20:00:05] Althego: An AWESOME Hungarian game. They made a few other decent titles, too, and the CGI in IGII was pretty good. Ahem, at the time. [20:00:06] I still miss Master of Orion and M.A.X. sometimes [20:00:24] i never got around to really play max [20:00:32] Action: Scolar_Visari remembers the four discs needed for IG II and the horribly designed jewel case [20:01:12] Althego: the first game was ok, even if the AI was dumb. [20:01:24] but never touch M.A.X. II.... never, ever. [20:02:08] Interplay was having financial troubles at the time and it showed. It was released still buggy as $%/??% [20:03:30] I seem to recall games always being buggy. [20:03:59] Scolar_Visari: that one was unplayable [20:04:33] If you can't play for 10min without game breaking bugs and/or CTD... it's not worth your time [20:04:53] So . . . like Fallout 3? [20:05:14] worse [20:06:05] btw tomorrow is march, soon the next ksp [20:06:08] Younger, I dreamed of making a good Turn-based game like M.A.X., Outpost, Missionforce:Cyberstorm or something like thoses [20:06:24] Then I learned to code and I gave up [20:07:23] Outpost had so much potential. [20:07:52] hehe [20:07:53] Maybe someday I will find an engine made for that [20:08:02] Scolar_Visari: yes :( [20:09:05] I could never figure out what 50% of the game was for, yet I always managed to 'win' (AKA get nanotech and have unlimited ressources) [20:09:05] Paradox has a Mars colony game coming out soon, let's see how that works out . . . [20:10:20] scott was playing a mars colony thing [20:10:23] is taht it? [20:10:26] looked nice [20:11:35] "A surprising chill before the cosmic dawn" https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-02310-9 [20:12:03] Surviving Mars https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8507205/unnamed__5_.png [20:13:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:13:40] UmbralRaptor: "A surprising chill before the cosmic dawn" https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-02310-9 [20:13:43] lol "the cosmic dperformanceawn" [20:13:48] editing error [20:13:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:14:06] Althego: Editing? Oh no, the journalism robot had a nervous meltdown. [20:14:14] UmbralRaptor: Again, "A surprising chill before the cosmic dawn" https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-02310-9 [20:14:18] firmware update [20:14:37] just wait until intel releases the second version that doesnt crash it :) [20:14:41] Paper's behind a paywall . . . [20:16:08] Action: Scolar_Visari leaves to shake their tentacles in agitation towards the general direction of the un-free publication movement. [20:22:35] I work in the free publication these days [20:23:21] I routinely see bots trying to download our entire website to repackage freely available PDFs and sell them [20:24:56] Almost as bad as the predatory papers publications which will publish anything as long as you pay [20:48:32] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:48:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:48:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:50:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:58:59] Deddly: where pre order [20:59:22] You want to pre-order the Forum outage? ;) [21:00:11] oren, or do you maybe mean the Making History expansion? [21:00:48] i just hope the store will sell it too [21:00:58] because gog updates are sllow and i dont want steam [21:01:19] also 1.4 with it [21:02:10] I'm really on edge about that new terms of service and privacy policy announcement [21:02:30] What, specifically, don't you like about it? [21:17:08] What time zone is NPT? (from the topic) [21:18:01] Nepal Time [21:18:14] The website is run or managed from Nepal? [21:20:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:23:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:23:04] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:25:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:31:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:31:30] hi there. Is there any place where one can ask about new terms/eula/etc and activities you can now do or not do and consequences? [21:31:40] Hi ThirdOfSeven [21:31:43] Cool name :) [21:32:10] ThirdOfSeven, you're welcome to talk about it here, but I don't think any of us here are lawyers [21:32:37] Otherwise, you could also bring up your concerns in the announcement thread on the forum, if you like. [21:33:19] there is one thread and it is pretty quiet for a while with nobody answering and everybody asking... :) [21:33:23] hmm [21:33:30] Mathuin, I put NPT because it's about as useful to half the world as EST (which is in the official announcement). I was being a little sarcastic :) [21:33:42] anyone expert on research bodies here? [21:34:10] why can't I control which body to research with my telescope? [21:34:22] Mathuin, I picked the most obscure time zone I could think of ;) [21:34:40] I hope we get some contacts to ask concrete questions one day, about what we can do, like "for content creators" or so. [21:34:48] kubi, are you talking about KSP or something else? [21:34:59] KSP yes [21:35:04] Research Bosies mod [21:35:08] bodies [21:35:08] I think he is talking about "Research Bodies" mod. [21:35:20] Ah, I don't know that mod, sorry [21:35:34] ThirdOfSeven, what questions do you have about the terms? [21:35:43] what thoughts you had in your head? :) [21:36:48] new terms specificly forbid any derivative works based on forums or any other online services. For example, can one make and post screenshots, have them appearing in a video and so on? [21:36:50] Deddly: ah, I thought it was some part of Mexico from when Squad was still there. :-) [21:38:10] "is KSP now a nintendo game?" [21:38:11] <_< [21:38:14] ThirdOfSeven, I think that was standard T&C talk for "Don't steal our stuff" [21:38:49] Is it standard? I haven't read terms and conditions for many games, TakeTwo or otherwise, but if it isn't in the old ones and is added to the new ones, that's slightly troubling. [21:39:00] but now you never know what they call "steal" [21:39:30] There was even a company that literally said they own your soul if you agree to the terms, to make fun of the people to never read them [21:39:35] i'm trying to find any old terms, but not very lucky atm [21:39:48] the people WHO* never read them [21:40:04] I'd wonder about its impact on "Open Space Program" if it appeared to have a chance on being anything other than vaporware. [21:40:07] only EULA. For example, there forum guidelines, but I can't find terms of online servies. [21:40:26] can't I have my terms and conditions published somewhere saying that if you sell me anything your life is mine? [21:41:00] ThirdOfSeven, there's the LegalNotice.txt in the KSP folder [21:41:26] kubi: you can but if you tried to enforce it you would most likely get struck down in almost any court [21:41:34] https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/en/?page_id=43 also this. Btw, it permits anything like I listed before. [21:41:35] in english, I suppose [21:41:52] so then I do not need to understand that [21:42:08] ThirdOfSeven, I think this is the old one https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/en/?page_id=39 [21:42:20] Oh, you linked it already [21:43:17] RandomJeb makes a good point. No matter what the EULA says, it is still subject to local laws, and there are things like "fair use" that say you can post a screenshot etc. [21:44:00] but, for example, if it appears on Youtube, cant take two claim and strike such channel? [21:44:34] ThirdOfSeven, you mean because you show footage of the game? [21:44:46] What wording in the new terms says you can't do that? [21:45:03] footage of a game, screenshot from devs, or just open browser with forum on stream, for example. [21:45:31] (i) you may only view, copy and print portions of the Online Services for your own informational, personal and non-commercial use; (ii) you may not modify or otherwise make derivative uses of the Online Services, or any portion thereof; [21:46:18] hmmm, my roll cage works. https://i.gyazo.com/ee1dee0b5bcca354e496095c8dd878bf.png [21:46:54] ThirdOfSeven: what do they define Online Services as? [21:47:26] ThirdOfSeven, again, my personal take on that is just legalese for "if you do something bad or try to steal our stuff, we will sue you" [21:47:29] RandomJeb: as far as I understand it includes forums, irc chat... [21:48:14] maybe curseforge pages. [21:49:53] ThirdOfSeven, It's pretty safe to say that it's unlikely TakeTwo or Squad will sue users for making a video on YouTube with KSP in it - that would be commercial suicide and they would be attacking free publicity. [21:51:48] I wanna agree, but on other hand they have such power sunce 6 Mar. I hope we will have some guidelines on what we can do and which way to not take any risks. [21:51:49] But it's also likely that someone will reply in that thread eventually - but my guess is it will take time because it will have to be worded very carefully [21:53:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:55:06] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:56:23] Probably the most expensive thread in the forums. [21:56:30] Dollars per post, based on lawyer billing time to craft responses. [21:57:06]