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[05:14:46] <herbert_west> raptop, I love how the deepest, darkest cosmic horror in HPL's "He" is...Chinese people
[05:14:51] <herbert_west> lmao
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[09:02:00] <Mat2ch> Uh, Tesla updated the interior design of S and X. And I have a feeling that we wont see this steering wheel in the EU...
[09:02:54] <Althego> looks dumb
[09:04:08] <Mat2ch> if you're using a self-driving feature all the time and only need it to steer away from obstacles, then it's fine.
[09:04:14] <Mat2ch> But I don't see full self-driving yet...
[09:04:32] <Mat2ch> But you can play Cyberpunk on it.
[09:04:39] <Mat2ch> Which means there's a Linux version out there.
[09:04:48] <Althego> which is a massive disappointment
[09:04:56] <Althego> to the point they are getting sued or something
[09:05:02] <Mat2ch> Probably a similar version as for Stadia.
[09:05:07] <Mat2ch> But not for regular Linux users.
[09:05:17] <Mat2ch> I hate companies who do things like that.
[09:05:49] <Mat2ch> It's only a disappointment for console users. The other users seem to be mostly fine with it
[09:11:48] <Althego> hehe, the "Major esthetics improvements coming" is because of a 425 megapixel picture
[09:17:30] <packbart> there was already a (court, iirc) decision that wiper controls via touchscreen only are not allowed
[09:17:47] <packbart> who'd want a Tesla cockpit to look like an old Boeing, anyway
[09:18:33] <packbart> it was cool in Knight Rider, but that car actually did have autonomous driving capability
[09:21:38] <Mat2ch> packbart: it was about changing the wiper speed and settings. Not the wiper itself.
[09:22:37] <Mat2ch> the wiper itself goes on automatically
[09:23:15] <packbart> yeah, but I don't see a "stalkless" steering wheel getting approval with turn signals via push buttons
[09:23:18] <Mat2ch> https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/QE4lCLg.png wiper on off is on the left stick
[09:25:10] <packbart> otoh, I prefer a BMW i3 over any Tesla any day. I think they're ugly. The i3 "Tron car" is weird enough, too
[09:25:36] <packbart> e-Smarts are quite funny, though. good acceleration, too
[09:27:38] <Mat2ch> but have very low range
[09:27:44] <Mat2ch> and iirc they aren't built anymore
[09:28:42] <Mat2ch> oh, they still are
[09:28:46] <Mat2ch> my informations are incorrect
[09:29:22] <packbart> I use car-sharing, so I get to drive and compare variety of models
[09:29:45] <Mat2ch> For a city they are fine
[09:29:56] <Mat2ch> But I take my car mostly on a bit longer trips.
[09:30:51] <packbart> I use "traditional" rentals for longer trips. One day, I'll just rent a Maserati for the fun of it
[09:34:42] <packbart> of all the car-sharing model, I currently prefer the VW Polo
[09:47:03] <packbart> "the standard human spaceship will be mostly rectangular with engines on one end and weapons on the other"
[09:54:56] <Althego> why would it be rectangular?
[09:55:57] <packbart> Because Our Weapons Will Be Boxy in the Future. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandardHumanSpaceship
[09:56:14] <packbart> fewer polygons ;)
[10:03:17] <Mat2ch> boxy weapons. Hehehe. Why do I have to think about The Expanse here?
[10:03:31] <Mat2ch> also the current season is so boring
[10:04:00] <Mat2ch> nothing happens except stupid decisions that are made.
[10:04:22] <Althego> is one season one book?
[10:05:10] <packbart> more or less. the series diverged quite a bit from the books
[10:07:41] <Mat2ch> I hope the season finale makes up for it. Otherwise I have not much hope for the next one
[10:08:06] <Mat2ch> "oh, we go there and take a suborbital ship to the Moon"
[10:08:11] <Mat2ch> Suborbital you say?
[10:08:13] <Mat2ch> To the Moon?
[10:08:17] <Mat2ch> WHAT
[10:08:48] <Mat2ch> And then some bad guys appear. Who would have thought. What a surprise.
[10:09:09] <Mat2ch> it's not exciting if you expect it.
[10:09:25] <Mat2ch> But who am I... just a mere viewer.
[11:33:27] <Mat2ch> NasaSpaceflight is again hyping SN9 flight :D
[11:35:15] <Althego> it looks like ok today
[11:35:25] <Althego> based on the weather
[11:56:55] <Mat2ch> !road
[11:57:00] <Kerbot> Mat2ch => Primary; Thursday, Jan 28, 2021; 9:00 am to 6:00 pm; Scheduled | Secondary; Friday, Jan 29, 2021; 8:00 am to 2:00 pm; Scheduled
[11:57:06] <Mat2ch> Primary is today
[12:34:53] <Mat2ch> SpaceX has to be very confident. Otherwise I can't explain why they moved the crane to Pad A if they wanna fly SN9 soon
[12:35:09] <Althego> probably because of sn10
[12:42:37] <Mat2ch> So no launch today but moving SN10?
[12:42:39] <Mat2ch> Or both?
[12:47:41] <Althego> they can move it after the launch
[12:47:49] <Althego> or just simply tomorrow
[12:48:59] <Althego> how long did it take them last time to prepare for launch?
[12:50:54] <Mat2ch> a bit longer, because SN9 fell over :D
[12:51:49] <Mat2ch> what I meant to say is, that it is a huge risk having an expensive crane next to a thing that makes a continous explosion at its back
[12:55:06] <Althego> yes
[12:55:44] <Althego> even if they owned the crane, but they probably dont
[12:57:46] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5kVZlnHZ3o went live. LIVE: Starship SN9 Flight Test. NASASpaceflight
[13:01:21] <transit> Ahoy.
[13:01:34] <darsie> .
[13:01:46] <transit> Hello person
[13:01:50] <darsie> .
[13:05:09] <XXCoder> ;mission
[13:05:10] <LunchBot> XXCoder: A yellow glow-in-the-dark octopus-like creature infiltrates your Science Jr. containers. The rescue mission requires a rescue mission.
[14:25:41] <Mat2ch> Althego: the time the crane is already at the complex suggests that they bought it.
[14:26:01] <Mat2ch> They will need it for years to come and it would be far more expensive to rent it.
[14:30:59] <Althego> can be
[14:34:52] <Mat2ch> the crane boom is lowered which means they really want to launch with it being nearby...
[14:35:00] <Althego> lol
[14:35:11] <Mat2ch> probably to lift SN10 onto Pad A tomorrow
[14:35:21] <Althego> i guess they win a day with this if nothing explodes
[14:35:31] <Mat2ch> and yes it is called "boom" and has nothing to do with the boom we hopefully wont see. :D
[14:42:07] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: It still has Roll-Lift branding, you'd think they'd at least debrand it if purchased
[14:42:31] <FLHerne> All the lifts and things on the pad are United Rentals
[14:53:20] <darsie> Maybe they get it cheaper if they leave the branding on.
[14:54:20] <FLHerne> Probably the opposite if anything
[14:55:56] <Althego> why, it would be free ad
[16:29:15] <Althego> hmm, a cherry picker
[16:29:20] <Althego> maybe they launch later
[16:32:18] <minas_tirith> Althego, have you read "He"
[16:32:24] <minas_tirith> (hpl story)
[16:32:53] <Althego> i read nothing from him
[16:35:08] <minas_tirith> Althego, its a very unintentionally funny story
[17:01:01] <Althego> oh no
[17:01:16] <Althego> if the wind is too strong now, tomorrow will be the same
[17:08:00] <Mat2ch> tfr is gone.
[17:08:12] <Mat2ch> Great
[17:08:18] <Mat2ch> I was looking forward to this :P
[17:08:23] <Althego> at least i dont have to worry about being up late
[17:08:57] <Althego> unless friday is a failure too
[17:09:07] <Althego> because then the whole thing starts next week
[17:09:19] <Althego> and we can wait for the late launch again
[17:22:28] <Mat2ch> the streamers all have hope
[17:22:30] <Mat2ch> I don't.
[17:22:32] <Mat2ch> :D
[17:30:55] <Althego> hehe
[17:31:02] <Althego> yes, if the tfr is gone, it is over
[17:32:45] <Mat2ch> it is gone
[17:33:19] <Mat2ch> and since tfrs probably can't be set up just a few minutes ahead of something this means it's over for today.
[17:33:27] <Mat2ch> Screw you high upper winds!
[17:33:31] <Althego> unless spacex has an experimental teleporter, and they can just directly jump to orbit :)
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[17:36:12] <darsie> shift-F12
[17:40:01] <Mat2ch> the FAA website doesn't seem to be made for 100000 SpaceX fans...
[17:40:12] <Althego> hehehe
[17:40:29] <Althego> i guess thousands od people are sitting there and just pressing refresh constantléy
[17:40:39] <Mat2ch> The NSF stream has 60k viewers. That is insane.
[17:40:50] <Althego> i moved on
[18:13:33] <flayer> i used to have persistent rotation installed as an additional challenge because you couldn't use timewarp to stabilize your ship
[18:13:53] <flayer> now i use it to speed up my very careful and slow rotations
[18:15:48] <darsie> That's fuel/battery efficient.
[18:16:27] <flayer> yeah, i've started building ships with far less battery power too
[18:16:34] <flayer> i'm slowly turning into you darsie
[18:16:41] <darsie> hehe
[18:19:26] <darsie> If you hold at your maneuver marker and then time warp, will you still rotate, e.g. because the hold didn't stop you completely?
[18:22:59] <flayer> yeah, but you can get to stabilize pretty well
[18:23:07] <flayer> with small ships at least
[18:24:44] <darsie> If not, you could rotate away from the maneuver marker and will rotate back to it periodically, then hold attitude at the marker just before you start the burn.
[18:25:15] <darsie> Unless that unrealistic physics sphere messes up your attitude.
[18:27:11] <Althego> hehe. gura is playing read dead 2. there is a shrimp on her head, and there is a small cowboy head on the shrimp's head
[18:27:34] <Althego> why do i always want to write it as read dead instead of red dead
[18:28:00] <darsie> cowboy head or hat?
[18:28:09] <Althego> hat
[18:28:27] <Althego> see, tehre is some typing issue
[18:28:33] <Althego> at least more than usual
[18:28:40] <Althego> supposedly new tfr is up
[18:28:44] <darsie> Yeah. You need neuralink :).
[18:29:17] <Althego> i cant even direct my own fingers correctly, after decades of use. why would i use an extra hand better
[18:29:56] <darsie> The idea was that it reads your thoughts and sends exactly what you think :).
[18:30:31] <Althego> the god emperor of dune had something like that. he used that for his journals
[18:30:51] <Althego> there is a tfr up
[18:30:58] <Althego> somewhat different than it was before
[18:31:27] <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Regulations#Temporary_flight_restrictions
[18:31:42] <Althego> https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_8565.html
[18:32:08] <darsie> Are we all supposed to click that link? :)
[18:32:33] <Althego> nothing harmful there
[18:32:52] <darsie> DDoS
[18:32:53] <Althego> maybe it is another tank test, if they cant fly
[18:36:18] <flayer> i'm halfway annoyed that i'm here for all the tests
[18:36:45] <flayer> its like... if you come in at the end, when they send the first one off to mars, you don't have to wait around so much
[18:37:40] <flayer> i just wanna see the first payload - robotic refuel system - land on mars already
[18:38:10] <flayer> when's that gonna be? 2030?
[18:39:16] <Althego> maybe
[18:39:28] <Althego> because of elon time
[18:39:39] <Althego> if we are lucky, starship makes into orbit this year
[18:39:44] <Althego> but there are always issues
[18:39:53] <Althego> after that it needs to be used
[18:39:59] <Althego> a lot
[18:40:10] <Althego> and the orbital refueling needs to be developed
[18:40:48] <Althego> maybe they can send a test ship to mars in 2022, but i think it is unlikely
[18:41:19] <darsie> A foreig... umm, interstellar asteroid could be on collision course with Earth with no way to deflect it.
[18:41:41] <Althego> doesnt need to be interstellar to become deadly
[18:42:01] <Althego> there is no money even for the detection of these
[18:42:07] <darsie> No, but those are more likely to be discovered when it's too late.
[18:42:11] <Althego> much less any kind of deflection research
[18:42:28] <darsie> OTOH there are fewer of those.
[18:42:56] <darsie> A simple impact can do the trick.
[18:43:09] <darsie> if it's done in time.
[18:43:39] <Althego> there supposed to be a mission to shoot an asteroid moon to see if w can deflect them such way
[18:44:02] <Althego> didymos and its moon didymoon
[18:50:54] <darsie> I wonder how it could fail. We could miss or graze it. If we hit, there'll be debris scattered. I don't think it would break up in large fractions, so most of the momentum would be transferred to the remaining asteroid.
[18:53:03] <Althego> to small deflection, if asteroid is too heavy, too small if it is too fluffly and goes through, too small if it just breaks apart
[18:53:32] <Althego> this is like digging a probe in martian soil. seemed simple enough, but failed completely
[18:53:49] <minas_tirith> Althego, you must understand
[18:54:05] <minas_tirith> Its very difficult to make a machine perform such tasks from home
[18:54:49] <Althego> i didnt say it was a dumb design. it was a design. nobody knew what to expect. now it helped to show that there needs to be an other way
[18:55:17] <minas_tirith> Remotely operated robot vehicles are a very difficult and complex thing
[18:57:10] <darsie> minas_tirith: Are you a moon or an ancient greek horned creature?
[18:57:21] <Althego> that's no moon
[18:57:35] <minas_tirith> darsie, why?
[18:57:40] <darsie> Your name
[18:57:49] <minas_tirith> Its a location in middle earth
[18:57:51] <darsie> I guess it makes me think of minotaur.
[18:57:54] <minas_tirith> What were your interpretations?
[18:57:55] <darsie> k
[18:58:14] <minas_tirith> There are many ancient horned gods
[18:58:29] <darsie> horny gods
[18:58:48] <minas_tirith> Veles, Satyrs et
[18:58:49] <minas_tirith> Veles, Satyrs etc
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[19:32:14] <Althego> after all these recent events, will 2021 be worse than 2020? i think so
[19:33:03] <darsie> Nature might die a bit slower in 2021.
[19:33:18] Action: raptop is hoping to see fewer deaths in 2021
[19:33:47] <Althego> the new variants are spreading
[19:33:55] <darsie> Umm, I meant, it might resume dying at a more faster pace.
[19:34:02] <darsie> idk
[19:34:34] <raptop> The good news is that so far none of the variants are actually able to overcome the vaccines
[19:34:43] <raptop> Also, masks work
[19:34:51] <raptop> Ignore CDC; acquire N95*
[19:34:58] <raptop> *KN95, KF94, FPP2, etc are fine
[19:59:28] <Althego> it is venting a bit
[19:59:36] <Althego> Mat2ch: it is venting
[20:00:08] <raptop> Quick, put a surgical mask over the vent
[20:00:14] <Althego> hehehe
[20:00:19] <flayer> i just want to see the transport route be opened up, so to speak
[20:00:35] <flayer> having reliable transport is going to do a lot for establishing any sort of presence
[20:00:35] <Althego> do you need that route for something?
[20:00:49] <flayer> to build my mars colony
[20:01:19] <Althego> glory to arstotzka
[20:01:23] <Althego> wait, different game :)
[20:02:48] <raptop> Cheap Reliable Access To Space(tm)
[20:04:52] <raptop> Althego: suddenly I'm reminded of when Korone was playing Papers Please
[20:04:57] <raptop> (something something guard dog)
[20:18:49] <Mat2ch> Althego: woah
[20:46:08] <raptop> The best numbered version has come out!
[20:51:12] <darsie> 1.11.1 yay
[20:51:18] <darsie> time for me to upgrade.
[20:51:44] <darsie> If only I hadn't run out of motivation.
[20:52:32] <raptop> This darsie^Wartoo unit has a bad motivator!
[20:52:57] <darsie> artoo?
[20:54:05] <raptop> Well, I've seen it a lot in eg: older writings, but also R2
[20:54:47] <darsie> ic :)
[21:09:21] <flayer> raptop, crats is key. we need whole fleets of rockets ready to depart at every transfer window
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[21:28:51] <packbart> ooh, update
[21:30:15] <packbart> Steam had it scheduled for end of next week. noway
[22:17:35] Action: darsie upgraded to 1.11.1.
[22:18:01] <darsie> I wish mouse wheel scroll would be "normal".
[22:24:06] <Mat2ch> darsie: normal?
[22:27:59] <packbart> there is no normal
[22:35:45] <darsie> like, 3 lines per mouse wheel click instead of 10 clicks per item in the vehicle load dialog.
[22:37:22] <darsie> Mat2ch: 
[22:37:39] <darsie> I have 24 clicks per full rotation of my mouse wheel.
[22:39:23] <darsie> Or 3-4 motions with my index finger per rotation.
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[23:20:13] <packbart> hm. in 1.11.1, I get odd lags in the VAB. no reaction for a few seconds
[23:25:22] <raptop> oh no
[23:25:53] <raptop> If you can figure out what's causing them (something bad related to the animations?), please post more
[23:32:29] <JVFoxy> just in 1.11.1?
[23:32:58] <JVFoxy> maybe something in the background.. -shrug
[23:33:03] Action: raptop assumes so, but we'll see
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[23:49:43] <packbart> I didn't notice it in 1.11.0. I'll try and test
[23:49:54] <packbart> but first I need to get that relay sat into orbit
[23:55:06] <raptop> fair enough