[00:07:05] For 1.4.5 + Making History, setting CKAN to allow all 1.4.x should be ok, right? [00:10:00] for teh mods I have, that seesm to be correct [00:10:26] Cool thanks [01:08:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:16:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [01:21:09] https://i.imgur.com/P5y25fj.jpg [01:21:16] mun mobile processing lab reporting for duty. [01:21:58] i don't think i packed enough batteries [01:22:15] run out of electricity when i go out of the view of the sun :( [01:23:09] at that point, why not run fuel cells? [01:23:38] i've run out of fuel for one [01:23:44] get some supplimental power, and you can easily dock to refill. [01:23:54] also, i didn't pack a fuel cell [01:23:59] this is career mode.. [01:24:17] i did remember docking ports though. [01:24:23] i might just send a flying battery up there [01:24:29] yea, but if you have a processing lab; you have the tech for fuel cells. [01:24:55] you could even dock some ore, and refine on the station for fuel. [01:25:17] or... you might even be able to dock a tiny ship made of batteries... [01:25:28] yes :P [01:25:39] a little probe core on a stick of batteries [01:26:36] how do i do the whole mining and refining thing? [01:26:43] i just unlocked that tech node [01:27:01] get ore, refine ore to fuel... that's kinda it. [01:27:31] i mean, is it efficient? [01:28:20] hm [01:28:21] is those largest batteries you can use? [01:28:44] i have the Z-1k, but i thought the Z-400 fit better. [01:29:00] the z1k is terrible for ec/kg iirc. [01:29:19] it is only 0.05t [01:30:13] all the kerbals in that picture look very excited [01:30:59] camlock lol [01:32:32] oh right, battery capacity was normalized. the z-400s are a little nicer to work with due to the z400s form factor. [01:33:19] wtf [01:33:25] now i need a station around minmus [01:33:30] supporting *10* kerbals [01:36:07] so add on to the other one [01:38:56] "I didn't make something the right size" doesn't apply when you have the klaw or equipped docking ports. [01:40:09] the worst thing about station contracts is that they usually come with a "must be a new craft" requirement [01:41:59] "what? i just put a 6 kerbal science lab station in orbit of the mun, now you want me to make a NEW 8 kerbal fuel station, instead of reusing the previous one?!?" [01:48:45] yeah [01:48:48] that's silly [01:48:57] Azander: does that actually work? [01:49:04] i can send up two 5 man crafts and dock them? [01:49:31] Don't know. Haven't played career in a long time. I prefer science [01:49:43] what i really want is for the decouplers to fit the largest element in the stack [01:49:52] like if i put a tiny engine on a larger diameter tank [01:49:57] just make new station, when mission is complete, dock it with other one so you just have one object to track [01:50:17] the decoupler only goes around the small engine and has a huge space around it [01:50:29] "but our respective lab tests and equiqipment is different!" "dont care! dock!" [01:56:00] i also wish there was a probe core that can fit normal size dock port on it.. [02:02:12] hm [02:02:21] it seems like i should try landing a convertotron 250 on the mun [02:02:23] seems.. difficult [02:09:18] http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/531766271400702479/5AA3D1409A69F17451D1BBF0080D5A4AD70A72A8/ [02:09:20] what the hell. [02:10:40] i can send up two 5 man crafts and dock them? <- yes, as long as both were started after accepting the contract, to fulfill the "must be new" clause [02:10:50] ok [02:11:56] (and don't dock any older vehicles inbetween) [02:12:59] (well, actually, i think you can dock and quickly undock, if you don't leave to the tracking station, but don't quote me on that) [02:18:48] coming in from the mun with no control [02:19:37] https://imgur.com/l9pgkue [02:19:37] https://i.imgur.com/l9pgkue.jpg [02:20:20] 'Must be new clause'.... eh... [02:20:46] my mining ship is already 45t *cries* [02:20:49] i'll never land this [02:21:29] awwww dang [02:22:45] any way to dump fuel or something? [02:24:54] ok trying again [02:25:32] interestingly an antenna that has been folded away still expodes [02:27:14] in the air stream? [02:27:29] https://i.imgur.com/IWdxEEg.jpg [02:27:32] is this right? [02:28:03] and a paracute deployed while inside a bay doens't seem to slow anything won [02:28:06] down [02:28:52] why you put a chute in a bay? [02:29:14] to protect it from heat of reentry? [02:29:24] shouldn't be a problem [02:29:40] i've never had a chute burn off [02:31:57] even while returning from the mun with no control because you only have enough batteries for the trip there? [02:32:40] no kerbal onboard? [02:32:52] you can get out and push with your monopropellant :) [02:33:11] no just a stayputnik [02:33:21] usually i've got a cone-shaped command pod, with parachutes on the pointy end and a heat shield on the bottom [02:33:29] never burned up with that setup [02:33:58] returning with the instruments bay open worked [02:34:04] haha [02:35:28] and I completed by contract to return from a flyby of the mun [02:35:52] now I can finally get solar panels [02:38:34] oh dear [02:38:39] solar panels are quite useful xD [02:40:45] hm.. no SAS on my miner [02:40:51] how can i get SAS? [02:41:00] i can't seem to attach probe cores to the side of my ship.. [02:43:21] maybe i can't use the cupola module then, sucks [02:54:19] put a lander can in it? [02:54:49] i just added a hitchhiker storage container, to put the engineer in [02:54:54] pilot in the cupola [02:55:57] use the truss structure, then probe on top [02:56:15] just make sure its turned to face the right direction [02:57:36] i just didn't want to block the cupola's view. [02:57:51] the hitchhiker container also gives me more room to put stuff [02:58:02] it is an extra 2.5t tho [02:58:47] lander can usually a bit lighter.. [02:58:49] I think.. [02:58:57] if you want to add a probe, and have the coupula.. [02:59:23] this is a mining rig [02:59:28] it's already 36 tons [02:59:40] add a little strut to the back side. A probe after you turned it to connect. Then just turn the probe to face the right direction. and slide it into the body slightly so its not just sticking out [03:00:36] not sure how i'll land the thing though, it's quite tall and heavy [03:00:53] https://imgur.com/0S2WDzz [03:00:53] https://i.imgur.com/0S2WDzz.png [03:01:03] returning 10 kerbals in this thing, wcgw [03:01:39] haha [03:01:45] no rocket for retrograde burn? [03:01:53] https://imgur.com/1Vt8GLl [03:01:53] https://i.imgur.com/1Vt8GLl.jpg [03:02:07] should work [03:02:21] I did a 1 pilot+10 kerbal cruise ship.. launched that way. got mun orbit, came back for LKO.. used a docking station as a meeting point. flew up a couple of return craft, brought everyone home [03:06:35] nothing has gont wrong yet [03:06:52] Congratulations, you've guaranteed that something will. [03:07:26] Although I admire the realism in saying "yet" [03:07:38] https://imgur.com/f1DtFsy [03:07:38] https://i.imgur.com/f1DtFsy.jpg [03:08:08] yeah, going sideways is a good way to catch drag [03:08:10] (and heat) [03:08:59] Gives literal meaning to "this mission has gone sideways" [03:09:05] mun miner mk I ready to go [03:09:07] https://i.imgur.com/ld3jdVs.jpg [03:09:24] let's get this tin can off the ground [03:10:02] woops, forgot some wings. [03:10:34] only cost 183,000 kerb bucks >_> [03:10:42] it [03:10:49] working hooray [03:14:02] https://imgur.com/RZalb77 [03:14:03] https://i.imgur.com/RZalb77.jpg [03:21:49] one way to do it [03:36:47] in a sense this thing is the ultimate spaceplane [04:03:16] Wouldn't any surface with 2 dots in it be the ultimate spaceplane? [04:03:40] huh? [04:05:52] a number is one dimensional, a plane is two dimensional. if you define 2 points in space, you can create a space plane. [04:10:57] mm... flying pizza wedges [04:12:42] this sucks [04:12:45] my klaw won't grab [04:14:25] whew got it [04:22:34] it's dark [04:22:36] hold me :( [04:25:34] until it sleeps [04:27:38] crashed on mun [04:27:46] had ~200m/s to go [04:27:49] ran out of fuel :( [04:27:55] oh no [04:28:20] i think if i skip rendezvous i can make it [04:36:38] home [04:36:51] oh for frig's sake.. [04:36:54] sorry [04:45:23] sweet baby jesus [04:45:24] i made it [04:46:13] one problem [04:46:15] ground isn't flat. [05:00:02] mining rig at work [05:00:04] https://i.imgur.com/ZGcSoth.jpg [05:00:20] unfortunately i didn't pack enough radiators. the convert o tron gets too hot.. [05:02:32] guess i'll fix that. [05:20:16] how experienced is your engineer? [05:25:08] Well, out of 10 attempts... he only burned water 3 times. [05:25:26] So level 6. [05:25:37] ;p [05:28:32] Seeing as how he was watching the joy of painting in his off time... analysts are still researching how the glass of water adjecent to him spontaneously caught flame and became charred. [05:28:52] not the glass, the water itself, on a molecular level. [05:28:55] charred water. [05:30:44] burning water? easy... h2 o2.. combine [05:31:27] let out powers combine [05:31:58] there is a HHO torch.. pretty hot stuff [05:32:44] No, it's obvious that when this particular kerbal has a thought, the carbon atoms in his neurons attempt to escape the "sinking ship" and attach themselves to the nearest objects. In this case, the water itself. These radical atoms carry enough energy to quickly burn and char whatever they contact. [05:33:16] mischief the panels you are using only cool parts connected and the next one after that.. you'll want the folding radiators if you want cooling to effected on the craft as a whole [05:33:29] That's amazing considering you'd figure it would just explode and fizz. [05:33:31] yea, i switched it out. [05:33:39] Althego: he's only lv 2 [05:33:48] but even that helps a lot [05:33:56] carbon atoms.. get enough of them on things, ya, youll end up with things that look charred [05:34:00] career mode you see [05:34:03] i didn't go many places yet [05:34:17] unfortunately for level 3 you have to go outside of kerbin soi (relatively easy from minmus but takes a lot of time) [05:35:26] to hit level 3, don't you just need to grab like 1 flight report from outside of kerbin's SoI? [05:35:40] it's something exact like that. [05:35:48] you dont need to do anything just go out and back [05:35:55] ah. [05:35:57] but it takes a lot of time, several days [05:36:10] but as long as you are there you might as well take some science too [05:36:11] it usually takes me like 20 days to go to minmus and back [05:36:18] then you are doing it wrong [05:36:33] JVFoxy: I was thinking more along the lines of CO2. [05:36:36] not even that long on a hohman transfer [05:36:45] that is something around 7 [05:36:56] epsilon co2.. after you breath o2... [05:37:10] but you can make it in around 2-3 with putting in more delta v, to the point where you are on an escape trajectory. [05:37:16] I don't know.. I'm not too good a chemist [05:37:38] Gotta go faster! [05:37:49] .... sorry.. /!sonic [05:37:52] Everything I know about chemistry, I learned from Things I Won't Work With. ;p [05:37:59] hehe [05:38:15] dont ever go near foof or chlorine trifluoride [05:38:32] in fact i would want to rally avoid any kind of hydrazine too [05:38:44] ... man. Now I actually want to make a mod that's got a rocket that runs on FOOF. [05:38:45] But foof sounds so tasty [05:38:49] Just because that's kerbal as hell. [05:38:54] hehe [05:39:03] which had the green flame? [05:39:06] some borane whateverú [05:39:07] ... foof? [05:39:10] Hexaborane? [05:39:13] that [05:39:18] JVFoxy: Dioxygen Difluoride. [05:39:25] commonly called as foof [05:39:27] Explodes if you look at it funny. [05:39:36] oh.. missing a L... floof.. sorry [05:39:42] I think JVFoxy needs an education. [05:39:55] not missing, it is foof [05:40:01] http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride [05:40:17] there is a better material for exploding. azidoazide azide [05:40:18] Anything on that blog under "Things I Won't Work With" is amazing. [05:40:28] Fluroantimonic Acid, do it. [05:40:29] you dont even need to look at it and it still explodes [05:40:37] Althego: Isn't that the CL-20 stuff, that's "surprisingly stable"? [05:40:49] I'm just teasing.. I know dioxy difluoride... [05:41:05] o2f2... [05:41:07] No, that's the hexaisohexaazaisowurtizane or whatever the crap it's called. Never mind. [05:41:22] heavy air? [05:41:58] ... what would that be, radioactive O2? [05:42:10] Action: mischief curses to himself [05:42:14] 100m/s short [05:42:18] Action: mischief reverts flight [05:43:02] eh anot her scott video [05:43:22] but at least i can watch it now [05:45:06] heavy air, aka sulfur hexafluoride [05:45:53] helium makes you squeak, sulfur hexafluoride makes you sound like some badass demon [05:47:38] Huh. [05:47:47] a small epsilon [05:47:57] it is somehow always a small epsilon radius [05:48:09] Wonder how dangerous it is, other than the suffocation risk. I assume the fluorine is bound up pretty nicely. [05:48:17] Action: Epsilon looks it up and ends up on another watchlist probably. :V [05:48:32] it is not really dangerous [05:48:44] Adam Savage... from high to low with gases https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj_4Za8jMHcAhX3IjQIHazRAM4QtwIIKDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dd-XbjFn3aqE&usg=AOvVaw24JAABmlmaihzrI0PDl8uK [05:48:57] aside of the thing that it is heavier than air and i cant imagine how the remaining amount of it gets out of your lungs [05:49:06] dang it.. sorry, google just being a pain [05:49:06] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XbjFn3aqE [05:49:07] YouTube - Fun With Gas | MythBusters [05:49:28] dont waste helium, guys. it is a precious resource for science and medical instruments [05:49:36] meh.. just hang yourself [05:49:41] heavy air goes down [05:49:52] "Like xenon, sulfur hexafluoride is a non-toxic gas, yet by displacing oxygen in the lungs, it also carries the risk of asphyxia if too much is inhaled." [05:50:01] sorry.. mean to say, hangyourself by the ankles... >_< [05:50:07] haha [05:51:13] you will eventually expel it all out... diffusion.. displacement.. otherwise, there'd always be stale air in your lugs [05:52:03] True, but it doesn't take too long to just pass out from huffing stuff that's not-air. [05:52:21] you only really need a small amount [05:52:38] even with heilium, you'd not want to keep that in your lungs for too long either [05:52:41] I get the feeling we're arguing two different things. >_> [05:53:10] heilium, must be an element with people holding one arm up :) [05:53:28] I got pinged by that [05:53:31] I'm just saying that it'd make you pass out if you breathed too much of it (something which applies to helium too) [05:53:42] Helium [05:53:43] also helium is the only working backup program for android [05:53:50] damnit [05:53:55] the ore scanner keeps turning off :( [05:53:58] now idk where to land [05:53:59] or rather something that sometimes works [05:54:02] Not arguing the wisdom of doing it for a funny voice one way or another. :B [05:54:06] Heilium is what their moonbase harvests [05:54:50] That, and the original point I had was "huh, even if it's got a lot of fluorine, looks like it won't kill you through direct chemistry" [05:54:54] is there no way to switch the ore scan overlay on without switching ships? [05:55:07] i don't want to switch ship because i might need to revert this flight again >_> [05:55:32] you can use it in the map view [05:55:34] mischief: You can't right-click the scanner and twiddle it from that menu? [05:55:37] once you have done it once [05:55:57] i do not have a scanner on this current ship [05:55:59] because it becomes part of the knowledge [05:56:02] it's on a different satellite [05:56:04] Althego: how? [05:56:09] or maybe only from the space center [05:56:22] ah yes i think that icon only appears in the space center [05:56:26] :( [05:56:32] or rather wats its name, tracking station [05:56:43] but there is the smaller scanner [05:56:51] the big scanner only gives info by biome [05:57:01] tha smallers have increasing resolution [05:57:12] don't you need to keep ore scanner in orbit.. or the data turns off? [05:57:14] while the smallest gives reading on the ground [05:57:25] better yet.. doesn't the scanner have to keep running in order ot use the data shown? [05:57:36] no, it transmits the data [05:57:37] yes but you see, somehow it got turned off [05:57:40] you even get science for it [05:57:48] so the ore places on the mun don't show up now, and i've no clue where to land [05:57:52] or am I thinking of the narrow band one? [05:58:05] i am talking about the big thing that opens [05:58:36] I know the clamshell one you have to polar orbit.. the other just has to be close enough [05:59:50] in theory there is at least some ore everywhere right [05:59:56] no [06:00:02] so i could just land anywhere, mine some and then go somewhere else [06:00:04] oh. [06:00:08] well dangit [06:00:35] at least i once landed on laythe on a relatively flat island, thinking this was easy, than it turned tout there was no ore there at all [06:00:46] *then [06:00:49] well [06:01:01] worst case i lose $180,000 kerb bucks [06:01:06] but that may have been changed [06:01:07] sicne now you can mine underthe sea [06:01:18] as i said [06:01:27] switch back to the tracking station and turn on the view [06:01:51] if i go to the tracking station then i can't revert flight any more [06:01:59] think the little drill rigs need a certain percentage of ore below it before it takes anything [06:02:02] idk if i can land this for sure. [06:02:23] last couple flights with this ship i ran out of fuel before i slowed down [06:02:28] ok if it doesnt work you can still revert [06:02:46] i am pretty sure revert gets disabled if i switch away from the ship.... [06:02:49] that's the issue [06:02:59] yes [06:03:14] but the mun is pretty much ok anywhere [06:03:24] you would get different speed [06:03:33] or time efficiency [06:04:24] eh. i guess i'll just land some random place. [06:04:31] if nothing's there i'll revert and fix the scanner [06:04:37] choose easier site [06:05:35] if you switch to a ship that flew right next to you.. you still be ok [06:05:47] if you switched while having to use map mode because it was too far.. no you can't revert [06:06:11] yes scene change is what elminates rever [06:06:34] but if you can land that thing why not just save, and retry [06:07:26] could just save before launch... [06:07:35] then different save each part just in case till landing [06:08:08] that doesnt work for me because before anything gets to the mun, there are already 4 other missions on the way [06:08:38] it's ok [06:08:42] my ship crashed anyway [06:08:46] revert flight xD [06:08:56] this thing is so unwieldy [06:09:00] lol. liam neeson once was a teacher, but one student pulled a knife on him and he instantly punched the kid [06:09:17] it's hard to land and runs out of fuel half the time before i get to the ground [06:09:20] :( [06:09:22] note, you want your landers as flat as possible [06:10:00] and also not even if you are good, a few seconds of cautiousness in landing can costs you hundreds of m/s in delta v even on the mun [06:10:10] so always pack more fuel for landing [06:10:49] this is what im working with here https://i.imgur.com/lb4AvDb.jpg [06:10:59] that is why i said it [06:11:05] maybe i can move the bottom around so it's not as tall.. [06:11:12] what if you rotated it by 90 degrees? [06:11:22] it is tall anyway [06:11:25] what [06:11:33] it is a lighthouse [06:11:35] a tower [06:11:37] :-P [06:11:58] would be ok for minmu [06:11:59] s [06:12:06] not for anywhere else [06:12:22] so i should try flying it to minmus? [06:12:25] might work better [06:12:34] and land oin the flats [06:12:42] i'll try [06:16:14] do or do not, there is no try [06:16:27] ok yoda [06:22:00] mun's in my way lol [06:23:22] heh intel fails again in 10 nm. i dont even know how they manage to fail that many times [06:31:26] not actually sure i can make it to minmus xD [06:31:30] i think my ship needs more dv [06:43:43] >_> [06:43:48] if it's not one thing it's another [06:43:59] i made it to minmus but i forgot an engineer, and sent my best pilot. [06:46:27] A suggestion for that craft is to make the lowest fuel tank a 3x around a core. Gives it a wider base for landing. [06:46:42] (dealing with other limits is left as an exercise to you) [06:50:02] apparently i also need more batteries. [06:50:08] Oh. And if you can put a deployable fairing around that upper stage somehow, you'll probably save a hell of a lot of drag loss. [06:54:25] Those liquid boosters - you can stack a second tank on top of them. Not sure if that'll give you better dV than the SRBs. [06:54:36] (or if you can do that, increase the size of the SRBs, and get some extra dV that way) [06:58:15] now i've got to save my best pilot from this dreadful mining rig [06:58:36] time to rescue katbert kerman from the surface of minmus, and deposit some unfortunate engineer there [07:18:00] this is crappy [07:18:12] my mining rig runs out of electricity when the sun goes down [07:18:21] i have to restart it when the sun rises [07:18:26] i can't leave it unattended :( [07:20:53] hrpmh [07:21:00] i guess i'll just go to the north pole. [07:35:28] https://i.imgur.com/K2EALGT.jpg [07:35:31] this doesn't seem safe [07:55:56] not on highest timewarp :) [07:56:15] also you can try the big fuel cell [07:58:43] i keep trying to find the true pole of minmus [07:58:49] so i don't lose electricity [07:58:52] it's hard to find.. [07:59:02] what, the biome? [07:59:04] it is quite huge [07:59:05] no [07:59:13] the place i can land and never have the sun go away [08:05:36] maybe there is not such a place [08:08:21] note that the mun has even longer nights [08:08:28] (half a kerbal month) [08:22:02] hm [08:22:09] so my mining rig is not very optimal. [08:22:18] might design a newer, bigger one.. [08:24:10] or just mine enough fuel to relaocate it to the sunny side, all the time [08:33:17] haha [08:33:25] i was doing that for a bit [08:33:31] now i *almost* found the perfect spot [08:33:38] just have to move another few km [08:38:39] idk [08:38:52] put it on wheels :) [08:38:54]