[02:01:01] Alright, hopefully today I'll find out what John Ringo constitutes an effective space navy. BadScience incoming! [02:14:28] For Heaven's sake, Ringo, we don't need an extended explanation of military citations! [02:14:38] Even the Mass Effect codex wasn't this detailed! [02:15:02] hah [02:18:04] This is reallllllly tedious. [02:23:00] And this is a short chapter, too. [02:24:27] Solar_Oracle, you like vampires? [02:24:43] I like killing them in Warhammer 2. [02:24:48] And I like watching them die in Blade. [02:25:12] I still need to play that [02:25:45] give this a shot then. https://www.amazon.com/Out-Dark-David-Weber/dp/076536381X [02:26:51] I'm afraid David Weber's too good a author for me to cover. [02:27:09] As part of my community service requirements, I have to read bad books. [02:27:29] oh, you're purposely looking for bad books [02:27:47] Sadly, yes. I feel . . . empty insidew [02:35:31] Chapter 2 complete. [02:37:25] I think we're in for our first discussion of humanity's first spacegoing warships. [02:40:04] does an ICBM count? [02:41:26] That'd probably be better than what we're about to get. [02:41:42] What's everyone talking about? [02:41:44] Action: Solar_Oracle mumbles something about exposition being the crutch on which lesser writers build worlds. [02:41:52] I'm reading an awful book and writing a detailed review of it. [02:42:13] and I'm trying to get him to save his sanity by reading slightly less terrible books [02:42:16] Why would you read it if it's awful? [02:42:52] Because it's my internet job. [02:43:38] Also, it is legit fun being snarky. [02:44:02] Oh. Why are you on the Kerbal Space Program IRC Chat if your internet job is writing reviews on books unless KSP is just a hobby? [02:45:41] Because it's a bad science fiction book, and #KSPOfficial is my home base on IRC. [02:45:53] And no one here normally discusses anything. It's Idle Relay Chat, after all. [02:46:54] I try to start conversations and discussions, but sometimes, people just avoid it or there's not enough people online. [02:48:03] Few people actually use IRC for discussion. This is also true with most Discords. [02:48:35] I don't have Discord, so I wouldn't really know that. [02:48:37] Great Odin's Raven, the Posleen don't even bother aiming their guns! [02:48:52] So they can use guns, but they can't AIM!? [02:49:10] Bots in shooter games be like: [02:50:16] or me [02:50:21] I can't aim [02:50:32] no one can AIM. It's been shut down for years [02:50:58] I have had a significant improvement in self-esteem in KSP. [02:51:01] Also, why would the Polseen not aim their guns? o_O [02:52:16] I believe that they're actually designed to be incredibly stupid, despite the fact that they're armed with sophisticated mass driver weapons capable of firing at such a rate that they sever human limbs. [02:52:37] I've been practicing docking vessels in Spaceflight Simulator, and it was MUCH easier than I figured it would be. With most docking attempts now, I rarely quicksave because I've practiced so much. I've even made a Space Station and I'm making one in my current save file. [02:52:38] They're just really, really, unbelievably dumb. [02:55:02] Chapter 3 complete. [02:56:48] Did she have the differential equations stream? [02:56:49] I was expecting Ringo to be a little better than Kratman, but I'm experiencing some serious disappointment here. [02:57:04] Wait, Minas_tirith speaks? [02:57:11] I though the Witch King of Agmar finally took you! [02:57:12] Solar_Oracle, why? [02:58:03] Is there lore or something to people in this IRC Chat [02:58:29] The only lore I have is that I started the Imperial vs. Metric Systems War a while ago. [02:58:37] minas_tirith: I mean, have you seen what the nazghûl have gotten up to lately? [02:58:54] I can come up with lore if you want? [02:59:02] raptop, nazgul are good boys [03:02:30] since i've been here, the only lore that raptop would have is they died, undied but were still dead, died again, came back alive, died for the third time, undied but was still dead again, and here we are in the present, and raptop is alive again [03:03:00] Raptop's been around since the Cretaceous period. [03:03:22] I know, but that's what happened ever since I joined the IRC Chat [03:03:26] There's a lot of lore fragments hidden in some of the bots. eg: https://i.imgur.com/WdbYlya.png [03:03:40] wait what [03:03:48] Action: raptop used to be extremely stabby [03:03:49] also, be careful with the word m u s e u m. it summons someone known as r o k k e r [03:04:10] μseum [03:04:17] oh [03:04:38] im gonna say it [03:04:47] RUN! [03:05:32] You fools? Do you have any idea what you've just done!? [03:07:13] I am the almighty god of death, destruction, and docking ports. [03:07:30] TwistenX, yes yes very interesting [03:07:31] Oh boy, we're going to get more exposition in this chapter and bad sci-fi solutions! [03:07:41] Died, revived to life, killed and put back to life is a nice title [03:08:29] That is raptop's official lore to this IRC [03:13:14] when your space shuttle doesn't have its mass and center of thrust equal [03:13:18] sad [03:30:47] Alright, let's finish this tomorrow. I feel empty inside. [03:35:01] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Althego' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [03:57:31] Althego, did she do the diff eq stream? [03:57:47] no, got sick [04:00:28] Action: raptop isn't sure how a zombie can get sick, but... [04:01:05] but there was a 29 participant summer festival in minecraft [04:18:44] Action: raptop guesses that everyone was on the JP server? [04:19:04] yes, including ollie [05:37:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:51:32] lol 1 hour long smol ame stream [06:46:47] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [06:50:28] darsie, what was the mouse issue you were having? Inverted mouse wheel? [06:52:00] yes, that's one. [06:52:16] Althego: picoports: https://i.postimg.cc/Ch5nnGgZ/screenshot20.png [06:52:45] Judge_Dedd: And slow motion with scroll wheel and RMB drag. [06:55:09] Thanks darsie [07:05:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:27:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:37:44] Horray for mobile hotspots that decide to randomly shut down whilst in use [09:42:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:55:45] in contrast to starlink that just simply overheats [09:58:31] The mobile hotspot overheats as well probably [10:14:19] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:20:05] !nextlunch [10:20:05] Judge_Dedd: [10:20:18] is tomorrow, i already ate [10:20:40] I'm hungry [10:20:41] next launch is also tomorrow [10:21:25] So it is [10:27:26] I want Pizza. [10:27:41] you can get that in every country on earth [10:28:27] Good pizza? Really good pizza? I doubt that. [10:28:36] you didnt specify that [10:28:56] and some countries are so big, even if there is one person who makes really good pizza, you would starve before you get to them :P [10:29:07] hehe [11:35:19] (local) leet time [11:35:40] 1337 [11:36:13] Action: darsie was cycling. [11:41:20] aldrin cycler [11:41:58] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [11:53:40] https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/16-5be0581fbf7bd__700.jpg [12:17:12] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyOwTYQVdmk [13:34:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:36:10] https://xkcd.com/2444/ [14:00:36] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:00:47] darsie, what version of Linux? [14:00:59] Also, did you ever file a bug report? [14:01:04] no [14:01:27] Debian testing/bullseye [14:01:45] Thanks [14:01:48] yw [14:01:56] thanks! [14:02:44] Thank Linuxgurugamer who is going to download and install that just for you [14:03:30] Because I didn't file a bug report? [14:04:43] Partly for that reason, but mostly to see if the bug is reproducable. [14:05:18] I'm on bullseye because of Surviving Mars. Otherwise I'd be on stable/Buster. [14:07:55] I guess that's about the inverted mouse wheel and slow motion RMB/MMB drag. [14:08:24] MMB drag for VAB zoom. [14:08:41] bullseye is practically stable already, since it is in freeze, not much of a sacrifice [14:08:56] I see the inverted mouse wheel, too. that happened in a previous version of KSP, too. The workaround/fix is to invert it in settings.cfg [14:09:15] I was too lazy to learn how to make a ... a ... that cage thing. [14:09:17] prison? [14:09:40] root prison [14:09:41] chroot? VM? [14:09:43] someting [14:09:47] chroot, yes. [14:10:05] you debootstrap it. that is it [14:10:22] whatever that is ... :) [14:10:36] but today you have other tools that make that for yo. for example lxc, lxd, docker, whatever [14:10:45] steam :) [14:10:50] darsie: search for AXIS_MOUSEWHEEL in settings.cfg and set "inv = True" in the PRIMARY part [14:11:10] yes :) [14:12:35] done, launching ... [14:16:09] Yay, mousewheel is normal again. [14:16:37] I've adapted to the inverted mousewheel so well already, I've done it wrong on google maps. [14:17:08] hehe [14:19:07] The new stigma ... dogma ... paradigm, that's the word ... The new paradigm was not to zoom in/out, but to push/pull items. [14:20:25] Didn't work so well with maneuver node knobs. [14:21:29] Deddly: The mouse wheel zoom is slow, too, I think. [14:22:19] And, yeah, scrolling in save game/ship list has been almost unusually slow forever. [14:22:34] unusably* [14:22:54] Action: darsie wonders if he hurt his brain. [14:23:31] existence already hurts the brain [14:24:22] darsie: oh, that reminds me. was scrolling in the part list inverted before? I think it might now [14:24:46] I'm not sure. [14:25:03] Althego: darsie: You want to look into schroot. [14:25:21] Yeah, saved game list is inverted now. [14:25:21] i feel it is an unnecessary complicaition [14:25:30] no, it makes chroot easy. [14:25:42] not to mention that we have an internal homebrew layer on top of that, that i maintain [14:25:48] no, it makes it hard [14:26:05] takes something that it is simple, and turns it into something complicated [14:26:25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existenz [14:26:58] yes, this hurts your brain too [14:27:01] Death to the demoness Allegra Geller! Death to Antenna Research! [14:27:15] Why? debootstrap into a directory, add config to schroot.conf (or in the chroot.d directory), run. [14:27:45] has a bunch of configs, and session [14:27:46] s [14:27:53] chroot: no config, no session [14:28:00] already simpler [14:28:46] needs root? [14:29:05] i do whatever i want on my machine [14:29:17] btw installing a program also needs root :) [14:29:21] like schroot [14:30:21] You can install programs in your home. [14:30:24] doing things as root is unsafe. That's it. [14:30:39] and if you want to share multiple chroot-things then schroot is really handy [14:30:55] Untrusted programs can keylog you, even without root. [14:31:00] and for that you are still better off with an lxc [14:31:16] programs from a debian repo, untrusted, yeah [14:31:33] in fact, just install proxmox, and voila [14:32:23] Security and convenience are a tradeoff. [14:37:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:55:01] Hmm, one of my Minmus scientists picked up a "green" stone which should go to Kerbin. But I planned for them to stay on Minmus ... [14:55:54] then send only the stone back [14:56:17] It's become a piece of data. [14:56:34] i think you can take it back [14:56:45] Hmm, I could send a data box. [14:57:31] Or maybe it has to be a capsule? [14:57:54] Maybe a command seat works :). [14:58:49] I can take data from the lab. [14:59:10] i specifically remember sampel return missions with those rocks [14:59:17] Yeah, I guess it's still a rock, but I can't put it back onto the surface. [14:59:20] maybe you can take them only when there is am ission? [14:59:47] darsie, he confirms the reversed scrollwheel, but doesn't see any issue regarding slow motion or RMB drag [14:59:53] It's a 'review report' or so thing. [15:01:46] Deddly: It takes me 11 MMB drags from bottom to top to zoom from full out to full in. [15:02:06] and 4.5 drags from right to left for 360 deg. [15:02:38] on an 1680x1050 display. [15:02:55] in the VAB [15:03:09] You mean RMB, right? [15:03:26] MMB for zoom, RMB for turn [15:04:32] and 3.75 RMB drags across the screen on the launchpad for one complete turn. [15:04:41] Because there's more active area. [15:04:46] It used to be faster. [15:04:57] Odd [15:05:03] How much is it for you? [15:05:25] Isn't there a sensitivity setting in the game for that? [15:05:55] I have 3x mouse acceleration in xkcd's mouse setting. [15:06:17] Is there an in-game setting [15:06:18] I think ksp ignores that, though. [15:06:19] ? [15:06:57] yeah. Mouse wheel sensitivity is on max/1.0. [15:07:16] Can I change that to 3 in the config file? [15:07:20] "Camera look sensitivity" [15:08:37] where? [15:09:01] Looks like that might have been old info [15:09:09] Settings --> Input --> Game --> Camera --> Zoom In/Out [15:09:27] Sorry I don't have the game open right now [15:13:18] Deddly: https://i.postimg.cc/jtQgzPVZ/2021-06-28-171237-1680x1050-scrot.png [15:13:31] changing 0.84 to 1 didn't change anything. [15:14:07] Seems to be a joysting setting. [15:14:13] joystick :) [15:14:53] back to 0.84 [15:16:03] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:16:05] chanlog [15:16:21] ic why you keep saying that :) [15:16:42] :P [15:16:47] If you add https:// I can click it :). [15:17:07] It's plain text [15:17:35] you know ... https://bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D [15:17:57] You'll have to talk to the guys at bitcoinshell if you want them to support https:// for that, sorry. [15:18:26] ok. or ... http://bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D [15:18:50] What's the difference? [15:18:53] To make KVIrc use it as link. [15:18:59] Aha [15:21:30] aha aha aha da da da [15:21:58] yeah, the https:// also lets irssi linkify it [15:22:21] not in the client but in the terminal [15:22:25] But the web server isn't configured for https ;). [15:22:31] doh, s/irssi/lxterm/ then [15:22:42] for example irssi through putty never makes clickable links [15:23:49] chanlog [15:23:54] Better? [15:23:57] yay :) [15:24:05] log-chan [15:26:46] anime girls for everything! [15:28:38] Deddly: Shall I check without mods and verify files for slow motion? [15:28:52] darsie, good idea, yeah [15:29:09] I do think I've noticed it initially, before installing mods. [15:29:16] But I can check again. [15:29:36] Gotta go now, but please let me know later how it goes [15:29:40] ok [15:29:44] you'll check logs [15:29:48] Maybe [15:29:55] i'll address you [15:30:11] alrighty then [15:30:14] Seeyas [15:30:17] cu [15:34:48] mods removed [15:34:50] verifying [15:35:30] 47 failed, reacquiring ... [15:36:37] how is that even possible [15:36:44] is your drive failing? [15:36:45] idk. mods? [15:37:04] Haven't noticed drive failures. [15:37:24] all successfully validated [15:42:11] new game. 10 MMB up drags to zoom from full out to full in. 4.5 RMB drags left to right for 360 deg. [15:42:18] deddly^ [15:42:51] deddly left [15:43:02] mhm [15:43:13] "Maybe" he reads logs. [15:44:00] installing mods ... [15:44:19] Hmm, no, I'll validate again, first ... [15:45:46] 3 failed, reacquiring [15:46:58] all validated [15:47:14] launching ksp [15:51:00] quit; validating; 3 failed, reacquiring [15:51:46] validating; all validated successfully [15:56:08] installing mods: KER; EEX+dependencies; dated quicksaves + dependency; picoport + dependency [16:04:47] Ok, I can store an experiment in an experiment storage box. Gonna send a storage probe to pick up the rock ... [16:07:41] Shall I land it on Minmus, or jetpack a Kerbal with the rock to an orbital rendezvous? [16:09:22] i think it is easier to land on minmus, but that requires fuel, while the kerbal jetpack just replenshes in the cabin [16:11:00] mhm [16:25:56] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:26:19] Get me that tasty channel log pls [16:26:33] hehe [16:27:59] OK so darsie's slow camera movement is not because of mods. Thanks! [16:28:25] Also, filed need to be verified because Steam is absolutely terrible at this. [16:28:29] files* [16:28:39] Nothing to do with HD failures [16:29:29] If I had a penny for every bug that got fixed by just validating files... I'd have at least enough for a box of prawn cocktail flavoured Pringles. [16:30:57] is it still possible to land on minmus on a single jetpack? [16:31:02] land and get back again* [16:31:58] cause yeah always do that if you can, it's good fun :p [16:35:47] Truga: Minmus orbit is 150 m/s or so. Jetpack is 600 m/s. So, sure :). [16:35:59] I'm doing it :). [16:36:19] for some reason i had in my head that jetpacks got nerfed at some point but i guess not [16:36:21] hehe [16:36:38] Maybe the dv now depends on what you carry. [16:36:54] when i last did it kerbals only had flags :v [16:37:12] jetpack and chute [16:38:34] jetpacks and parachutes (...and in-cabin kerbals) have mass now [16:38:47] hrm, not sure if EVA kerbals vary in mass. probably [16:41:50] They should [16:42:40] Action: underwater_bees cancel Deddly [16:43:46] what a name [16:43:57] Action: ___ is cancelled [16:44:07] Action: raptop assumes that Deddly is a stamp then [16:46:04] <___> ___ [16:47:32] ... [16:48:20] lol [16:49:07] . [17:04:14] Is it normal that the HECS doesn't have auto hibernate in warp? [17:05:06] Like, a new feature? :) [17:15:38] Hmm, not enough dv. Need to make a Mun gravity assist :). [17:17:02] oh no [17:20:32] <___> Don't all probes have auto hibernate? [17:21:03] <___> But it's a setting, if I recall correctly. [17:21:16] <___> You have to have it turned on in advanced tweakables. [17:21:41] yes, it is off by default, cant understand why [17:21:55] to make you suffer [17:22:02] why are we here? [17:22:04] presumably for reasons related to why the default throttle was 50% for ages and is 0% now [17:22:13] <___> I think having it off can teach something [17:22:26] No, it's not even available. [17:22:45] <___> darsie, do you have advanced tweakables turned on? [17:22:50] no ... [17:22:56] <___> ___ [17:23:08] always have it on [17:23:18] <___> <___> You have to have it turned on in advanced tweakables. [17:23:42] Make it default? :) [17:23:43] the advanced tweakables will be with you, always [17:24:00] because advanced tweakables are also not on by default [17:24:10] <___> ^^ [17:26:53] Action: flayer farts [17:30:54] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24lvpdD3iE [17:32:36] Action: ___ flays flayer [17:33:46] Action: raptop assumes that flayer lives in the flayer jungle [17:34:10] the gidbinn is mine!! [17:34:51] hah [17:39:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:58:00] kikkerikii [19:01:04] Have you guys seen the newest KSP2 video? [19:03:13] hehe ihavent [19:03:19] but quit already [19:05:10] i hope there is at least one not random generated easter egg on eve now [19:05:59] oh probably not. the new ones are in the wiki alreadt [19:09:49] I have seen the video. Looks nice. But unless I see a 1000 parts mega ship flying with 60 fps on a regular computer, I'm not impressed! [19:09:53] Action: raptop wonders if the names (explodium sea, etc) count as easter eggs [19:10:40] Action: raptop 's opinion of KSP2 remains "mostly ignore it. It could be cool, but could end up being bad and in any case has been delayed multiple years and may be delayed more." [19:11:29] we may have KSP2 eventually, but we have KSP1 now [19:12:09] yeah [19:14:16] at least they did let go of KSP 1 after 10 years. I'm not convinced, though, that developing KSP 2 was a good idea [19:34:30] My internet went out, so I'm gonna re-ask this question so I can see people's answers. Has anybody seen the newest KSP2 Show-and-Tell video on the KSP YouTube Channel? [19:35:21] the one few hours ago? since then i watched it [19:35:38] Hi do you know if the new Maneuver Creation App works in career mode? I can see it in sandbox but not career. [19:35:59] havent tried it there, probably requires building upgrade [19:36:20] That's what I am thinking. Probably tracking? [19:36:49] I haven't gotten v1.12 yet because I play Enhanced Edition on Xbox One. [19:37:15] *sad trombone* [19:37:25] Action: TwistenX cries in Console [19:37:31] unsure, but probably tracking station [19:37:46] Thanks Anyway. I will try a couple of upgrades and see. Thanks All - Bye [19:37:54] See ya [19:38:55] The Mun and Pol look very beautiful in the newest KSP2 video. It makes them look much realistic. I also like how the Mun also has Munar Seas now. [19:39:14] OK I tried it. Upgrading the Tracking did the trick. [19:40:36] Cool. Now when Console KSP gets updated to 1.12 in 5 years, I'll know that I have to upgrade my tracking station if I play career mode. [19:40:39] It has been done. The first four, or five, chapters are up. [19:41:17] Have they figured out how to aim their guns yet? [19:41:32] No, the Posleen are genetically engineered to not know how to do anything unless the plot demands it. [19:41:46] For example: They don't know how to cross rivers with anything but bridges. [19:41:52] I'm not even making that one up. [19:42:13] They're kinda similar to stormtroopers. They are only useful when killing a side character [19:42:45] Stormtroopers actually have things like armor and air support. [19:43:08] The Posleen get one open-topped command vehicle for every few thousand rank and file. That's it. [19:43:46] Unfortunately, the only place I could find to upload this for free also has a, uhm, rather inappropriate name for this channel and I'll have to seek permission. [19:43:57] Dang. I think the agency or whatever they work for ran out of funding. [19:44:18] Say the channel name but modify it so it's not as inappropriate. [19:44:29] Or censor it [19:44:45] https://www.reddit.com/r/PieceOf####BookClub/comments/o9ri75/lets_read_a_hymn_before_battle/ [19:44:50] I'll let you use your imagination. [19:46:10] Amusingly enough, I never swear. [19:46:23] hah [19:46:46] I think I can predict what that last word is [19:47:20] I think I can do two or maybe even three chapters later today. [19:47:37] I think I'll probably get at least two more books done before I have a psychotic episode and snap. [19:48:55] Interesting if true: https://spacenews.com/chinas-super-heavy-rocket-to-construct-space-based-solar-power-station/ [19:49:22] I think I've seen a video from Matt Lowne with a similar title, but I'm not sure [19:49:59] as anything with rand space plans... we shall see [19:50:03] grand [19:50:49] I'm pretty sure SpaceX's Super Heavy is also gonna have a test launch soon, too. [19:51:03] soon tm [19:51:14] what i dont get, how do they intend to launch from there? [19:51:23] with all those engines it is just too loud [19:51:25] From where? [19:51:26] Very Carefully. [19:51:34] I think they're hashing out issues with the FAA. [19:51:50] i doubt fass can solve this [19:52:06] the tower is already almost complete [19:52:22] but suppsoedly it will eb too loud to launch from there [19:52:26] FAA = Federal Aviation Administration, FASS = Fuel Air Separation System. [19:52:29] BottomLine: If I set up a second maneuver, changing its parameters messes up the first maneuver, so the trajectories change and the position of the first maneuver. [19:52:47] Sometimes. [19:52:58] darsie: How can your second maneuver effect your first maneuver? [19:52:59] also there is some wildelife issues too [19:53:05] there are some protected areas there [19:53:21] This has been going on ever since, so I thought there's nothing that can done about it. [19:53:39] TwistenX: Let's call it a bug? [19:53:46] there is a reason spacex is converting the oil rigs [19:54:03] They don't want to drill for oil? :) [19:54:07] Predictably, the article's comments are a dumpster fire. The people posting below seem to think geostationary orbits get the same kind of nights as positions on Earth's surface. [19:54:22] Action: Solar_Oracle laughs in orbital altitude and Earth's inclination. [19:54:41] lol kiara quoting anakin [19:54:54] (about the sand) [19:55:06] Action: raptop assumes that kiara can deal with lava more easily though [19:55:21] darsie: Are you using the Maneuver Control App? [19:55:50] no [19:56:53] @Althego The issue over noise pollution and local air traffic is probably why the whole Starship point-to-point ballistic transportation service will almost certainly never become a thing. [19:57:12] Solar_Oracle: I'd default to assuming that China is doing something other than space solar power, but do they not realize that the Earth doesn't take up half the sky at 36000 km? [19:57:23] *they as in the commenters [19:57:29] How long is the ship ride to/from the launch pad? [19:57:48] Action: raptop assumes that they'd do something vaguely airport-like [19:57:54] (insert satellite parking joke here) [19:58:04] @raptop Doesn't appear so, which is kind of funny given that Sunlight can be too abundant even in low orbit depending on the time of year. [19:58:40] The only times of the year geostationary satellites get anything approaching frequent Sunlight interruptions would be around equinoxes. [19:58:59] Action: raptop legit temporarily forgot that earth's inclination means that a geostationary sat would experience eclipse seasons [19:59:14] When someone buys a 30 min trip from NY to Sydney, high altitude wind shear could delay that for a day or more. [19:59:15] Action: raptop blames KSP [19:59:25] Viasat says that eclipses will last no longer than 72 minutes. [19:59:35] hm [19:59:59] With interruptions being as brief as a minute from the beginning of the equinox season. [20:01:12] Any satellite in geostationary orbit literally spends over 99% of its time bathed in Sunlight, and the interruptions would be totally predictable. [20:02:51] The commentary on it being a cover for a weapon system is also pretty silly. A ~gW laser/microwave beam would be a ginormous, hilariously vulnerable target. [20:05:31] However, I doubt this could be pulled off with the LV system the CNSA is advertising, which is ~150 tons to orbit and partially reusable at best. Even with a fully reusable system, that's a tall order. [20:05:46] Action: Solar_Oracle notes original proposals for SPS had most of the mass, the mirrors, made from Moon dust. [20:13:15] Action: raptop wonders if Bob Zubrin's "zero divided by zero" complaint holds up [20:13:31] certainly there's still the silliness that those old SPS proposals assumed a 55 flight/year shuttle [20:14:27] 0/0? [20:15:44] I think *most* SPS proposals assumed a high number of flights per year with a new Shuttle design, especially by replacing the Orbiter. [20:15:52] something about how the costs and the like work out [20:16:43]