[02:14:38] darsie: it sends data. that should be enough of a hint [02:15:14] ok [06:03:41] Silly question -- if the separator says "enable crossfeed", do I click the button to enable crossfeed or is it already enabled? [06:03:53] Another silly question -- does crossfeed include electricity as well as fuel? [06:05:15] click to enable and I don't think so [06:05:29] So if it *says* enable, it's disabled. [06:05:32] And vice versa [06:05:34] yeah [06:07:26] i think electricity is always drained from all of the parts and it does not follow crossfeed rules for fuel [06:57:09] Mathuin: enable/disable are verbs, thus the button is an action, enabled/disabled are adjectives thus the button indicates state [07:21:54] That does kinda make sense. [07:31:51] interesting, the x47a and x47b prototypes are sitting out in the open in google maps https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6404039,-118.0837159,36a,35y,40.88h,57.93t/data=!3m1!1e3 [07:56:02] Very pretty craft. [10:03:14] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:26:06] I just saw a sign that said "earthquake! put out the fire!" [10:26:29] I don't even have a fireplace in my house anymore [10:27:02] We use electrons now. It's the better fire. [10:28:19] do you have devices that register earthquakes and cut the main breaker? [10:28:27] the only best fire is the glow of atoms [10:28:36] fusion fire! [10:30:27] Mat2ch: those are called 'collapsing utility poles' [10:31:38] Action: Mat2ch gives Glass|phone a fav [10:32:09] lol [10:33:09] back to work. My articles don't write themselves :| [10:41:11] they should then [10:43:37] Nah, I don't like AI written articles [10:43:43] I prefer human ones [11:47:06] according to twitter I speak eight languages [11:47:13] not bad [11:47:45] he speaks all of them - and none [11:50:22] ...apparently german carmakers conducted human experiements with exhaust gases [11:50:41] can't outrun your past I guess [11:53:47] maybe it's an hydrogen motor [11:54:43] lol [11:56:19] also twitter has a list of my interests [11:56:44] and the only way I can explain that is that it ignores all japanese and chinese language tweets in my timeline [11:56:59] which would be somewhat below 102% of all [11:58:31] a fifth of them seem to come from following elon musk [11:59:34] another fifth is just "gaming" repeated over and over [11:59:35] GlassYuri: please, no, not you, too. This is not funny [11:59:50] what is not funny? [12:00:05] gas chambers are not funny. Never. [12:00:27] and those experiments were done for a totally different reason [12:01:17] what is funny is that nobody took a step back and questioned if they should actually do that [12:01:18] and the test persons were doing this voluntary [12:01:57] GlassYuri: it was a test for work security and the exposure used was below the legal limits [12:01:59] and yeah the reason was to show that their cars are not helpful when they are rigged to pass the test [12:02:12] s/helpful/harmful [12:02:31] Mat2ch, okay, I did not know that [12:02:40] but the monkey test was some rigged BS [12:02:47] yeah, I know. emotions > facts and such things [12:03:02] The media is so broken those days [12:03:05] Mat2ch, it was literally not reported in the articles I consulted [12:03:47] so I guess all that china madness in my timeline is "language learning" and "adventure travel" [12:04:37] GlassYuri: all forgiven [12:04:39] somehow there are no trains in there, not even "transportation" [12:05:04] but making jokes about Germans and gas chambers, haw haw, funny newspapers and everything. [12:05:30] There's nothing funny about Nazi Germany. I know that people make jokes about things they can't grasp/understand [12:05:39] but a good newspaper would never do it. [12:05:52] They would report the truth, as hard as it may be. [12:06:32] everything is funny about nazi germany, in a way, if you consider that humour is a natural coping mechanism [12:07:02] coping mechanism for life in general i'd say [12:09:22] OK people, as has been stated, that's no laughing matter, and it's definitely not an appropriate thing to joke about in this community, please. [12:33:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292820311760699392/407513218265776128/DSC_8322.JPG [12:40:44] Fluburtur, whatever it is, I need one [12:41:08] google that model then [12:43:47] Action: Mat2ch looks at Fluburtur [12:43:59] You set the language to French? :D [12:44:11] it was already set [12:45:38] Autoset. Very french. Anuller, ok, I understand that, but what is Moyenne? [12:47:44] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Judge_Dedd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [12:52:38] moyenne is average [13:30:36] ah [13:31:21] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:47:04] Hi, so I just deleted and re-downloaded my stock game. I'm thinking about either starting a career game in normal, or a science game in moderate, difficulty and reverting less frequently. [13:47:40] Hi Pakaran [13:47:57] Sounds like fun :) [13:48:02] Then just play it out. Stock is fun, and I'll go with a few realism mods like FAR later on. [13:48:08] can I charge my pjone from my oscilloscope? [13:48:16] would make it the most expensive charger I have [13:49:00] I don't usually use stock craft for rockets. However, for planes (even for things like a pair comm dishes a third of the way around Kerbin)... [13:49:54] I don't usually try designing, because I have no clue where to put how much wing to get something that can even launch from a runway without small booster silliness, much less maintain level flight long enough to worry about fuel. [13:50:10] Pakaran, so you land the plane with some antennae on the ground and leave it there? [13:50:21] that was my idea. [13:50:26] Sounds like a good idea [13:50:42] Pakaran, but then don't forget to turn off the ground stations [13:54:57] Stock has multiple ground stations? [13:55:22] if you leave the default options on [13:55:28] Thanks. [13:55:30] but you can turn them off [13:55:39] and you can also set up apparent curvature of kerbin [13:55:42] I think moderate difficulty science game is reasonable for what I want to do. [13:55:45] for comm network [13:55:54] so even the multiple stations may be blocked out [13:56:08] I don't have to worry about mishaps resulting in crew loss, and can wait out respawns by hiring someone else. [13:56:39] But do need to set up some kind of com network. [14:10:10] Getting satellites in precise orbits sounds even more finicky than designing planes that fly :/ [14:10:27] I suppose that's just because, in stock especially, I'm used to rockets. [14:11:28] Pakaran, you mean for contracts? [14:11:42] To act as commnet relays. [14:12:00] Oh, well I suppose that needs to be more precise, yeah [14:12:07] Contracts are fun in stock, but if I'm pushing to moderate difficulty, I'd worry about crew getting expensive. [14:12:26] Crew is free is you do rescue missions [14:12:30] if* [14:12:59] Especially on, you know, Mun landing attempt 8, less top heavy this time. [14:14:09] Ooh, and any craft that can land on Mun can, with a probe core and ideally electrical system, do rescue missions via EVA over in LKO? [14:14:46] I would be surprised if it couldn't [14:15:05] Fluburtur, have you build one of these yet? http://www.instructables.com/id/KerbalController-a-Custom-Control-Panel-for-Rocket/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email [14:15:27] no but I did plan to [14:15:37] in fact I could probably make one right now [14:16:08] anyways, I have to go meet with peoples soon so I will look into that later [14:16:12] I'll start the game now :) [14:32:29] https://imgur.com/a/m0eEz Just need to save and go accept contract. No fancy thrust limiting for the first launch, Jeb will be just fine. It is slightly scary that this craft also costs 1297 of my 15k starting funds, 8.6%, but it's fully recoverable and I'm not going to be landing it under power on any ships. [14:32:29] https://i.imgur.com/3D6NGX0.jpg [14:34:45] yeah, contracts pay for it easily. [14:35:44] aaand a goo for the pad, another for flight. [14:44:29] Thrust limiting would have been ideal. This is basically exactly a stock craft https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Jumping_Flea , but it peaked around 8 g. I'm glad Jeb was ok. [14:44:47] Got 100k funds. I'll worry less about money now, there's always hand editing. [15:59:54] good morning [16:02:31] morning [16:08:23] I have a bit of a problem... https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/170211-131-stockalike-station-parts-redux-january-28th/ [16:08:45] I now have to desorbit all my space station to replace them with more awesome [16:23:49] ve2dmn, or you could convert all your space stations into interplanetary large impact research studies [16:24:21] I'll have to do a crew rotation first [16:24:43] Looks like a really nice mod [16:24:51] Like knock Minmus into a lower orbit for convenient mining? [16:25:21] I was using the previous one (from the same author) for the big nodes [16:26:31] But now he re-wrote everything and the 2 mods are different beast now [16:26:34] Wow. [16:26:42] Is the pictured station inspired by 2001? [16:26:53] So I can have both at the same time, but the old one is unsupported now [16:27:01] Babylon 5 has a wide central cylinder, not a habitat ring, so not that. [16:27:05] aah [16:27:28] full IVA?! [16:27:30] that's insane [16:27:50] let's see. [16:28:27] All my space stations have parts from the old mod. [16:28:29] :/ [16:28:44] I should be able to get out of atmosphere this time. I'm definitely ahead of the money curve, just got launchpad level 2 as well. [16:29:07] Which also means I can burn science to get the big 1.25m fuel tanks if I really need part count later on... [16:29:13] Pakaran: want to be rolling in $? Get tourists! [16:29:18] sorry if I'm spamming, mostly thinking out loud at this point. [16:29:49] ve2dmn, :) you came in just after I mentioned, I nuked and reinstalled my stock game simply because it'd been awhile. [16:30:19] and folks talked me into going to moderate difficulty career mode, a bigger step up than I planned on. [16:31:06] Closest thing to a tourist unlocked is a radial decoupler that wants to be hauled into flight over Kerbin. [16:31:09] I do custom: Moderate + buying parts in the R&D [16:31:18] I'm very tempted to grant its wish. [16:31:37] You could also install Tourism plus [16:31:47] Let it and a few friends, and a few big boosters, haul a 2 or 3 stage liquid rocket into flight over kerbin. [16:31:54] Be hauled, oh, excuse me. [16:32:43] In all seriousness, the more I think about this, the more I think I might be able to get orbit, not just spaceflight, on my third launch. [16:33:38] and both of those 2 are world-first contracts, so I can actually take the haul... [16:33:46] Ok, it's a cheat, but it sounds fun. [16:35:17] https://imgur.com/a/qYsXW looking at those numbers, it would take a fairly steep high thrust trajectory, but with boosters... [16:35:17] Spaceflight is easy: 1 or 2 booster (depending on model), a capsule, 2 parachutes [16:35:17] https://i.imgur.com/WCEZWTD.png [16:36:22] this is easy, you can go sideways while you collect speed [16:36:23] I mean, even if I mess up that objective, Val can do the mission easily enough. [16:36:47] I use kOS for my launches [16:37:07] with my own crappy code [16:37:09] I was figuring on FAR sooner or later. [16:38:22] ok, right. [16:38:36] I'll get designing :) [16:40:23] I wouldn't consider doing several contracts in a mission a cheat, it's just good sense [16:40:27] heh new nvidia driver [16:50:23] https://imgur.com/a/SIpL4 [16:50:23] https://i.imgur.com/I5vRuJf.jpg [16:50:40] This is probably grossly too much booster. Tempted to thrust limit all the booster at, hmm, 40? [16:51:15] my concern isn't as much drag as dangerous heating on ascent. Though dangerous heating in stock takes a lot. [16:52:13] I'd be concerned about losing control of that [16:54:52] KSP really needs a Radio statio mod... [16:55:16] One that goes to statics if you lose the signal [16:56:18] well, the drag loss will be pretty high [16:56:28] With the same basic design, but another tank on the first stage and 2 boosters, either 3 or 4 fins crop into them. [16:56:55] ...with a Kerbalish D-Jay [16:57:11] I'd go with one less booster, but with nose cones... [16:57:53] there is chatterer [16:58:09] hmm... [16:58:12] Althego: i know, but I want music as background.... like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xFhULStbkQ [16:58:12] YouTube - OC ReMix #2699: Final Fantasy VI 'The Impresario' [Medley] by Jake Kaufman & Tommy Pedrini [16:58:49] Nose cones aren't unlocked, and I don't mind the drag stabilization. I'm pretty sure I'll hit space, in any case, and that'll let me get a fair number of things unlocked without grinding. [16:59:30] hmm [16:59:49] I'll go do some science stuff artound the ksc area. [17:00:03] better when you have some wheels [17:00:09] yeah. [17:00:18] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-eIQMSOgWA [17:00:19] YouTube - OC ReMix #1904: Castlevania II 'The Accursed Seal' [Bloody Tears, Castle Walls] by Juan Medrano [17:00:19] because obviously rockets are simpler than wheels :) [17:00:25] I mean, I'm being silly because I'm ahead of the curve anyhow. [17:01:07] This craft is under 6k now, so I could afford 10 launches of it. The only issue is the radial decoupler is from the contract, but that wouldn't take much science either [17:02:07] Jeb is threatening to quit with the hopper thrust limited to 30% :'( [17:08:15] what, setting your solid thrust correctly will get you higher [17:08:48] it was a joke about the 8 g takeoff of my first launch [17:09:34] I did the thrust limit, but he didn't get to make an EVA at 150 m/s horizontal. [17:11:11] Radial decoupler and nose cone are in the same node. [17:11:29] who needs nose cone [17:15:56] Althego, lol [17:16:14] small parachute instead of small nose cone [17:16:18] Here you go. The Swivel will have to handle roll control after booster sep, but that's really not a lot to ask out of one of those. https://imgur.com/a/TRGFE [17:16:35] no pic [17:16:51] oh, sorry, I have a few things downloading. [17:17:04] try now [17:17:47] *YAW control [17:17:51] there is no try [17:18:07] where are you going with this [17:18:39] Getting into orbit without stopping at spaceflight. [17:18:43] usually i would have used the normal decoupler and put smaller solids on it [17:18:57] seems to be too much for that [17:19:02] And just max throttle or near off the pad? [17:19:19] i always have to hold myseld back to not get into orbit on the first flight [17:19:27] I do have the radial decoupler unlocked, so don't have that constraint. [17:19:59] the thing is I don't have the terrier, so I don't want to go 3 liquid fuel stages. [17:20:06] Which is honestly a lot to use to get to orbit in stock, anyhow [17:20:10] and RL calls, I'll be back. [17:30:27] ve2dmn a while back, I sort of wondered what it be like if you were on the ISS, tuning into radio broadcast stations on the surface. Then I worried that things would be so stupidly jumbled up [17:30:45] https://twitter.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/957661697115750400 [17:30:45] Rat taking a shower like human 🐁 https://t.co/HMK1vG23EH [17:38:57] Well, I'm going to go ahead and launch it. [17:39:14] I know I'll get at least one contract. [17:43:12] heh i have run out of contracts, no more action for 1 hour 15 minutes [17:43:22] when the next maneuver comes [17:43:57] Contract 1 is complete. Used rather too much thrust early on, and made it easily. https://imgur.com/a/aSuWI [17:43:57] https://i.imgur.com/KdbHmeB.png [17:44:02] maybe i could launch something with the polar resource radar thingie [17:44:08] I think that's largely why I'm not getting to orbit. [17:46:32] that is too flat [17:46:38] Moderate! is a better save name than I've ever used [17:49:29] Yeah. [17:50:01] I usually use 'Normal' or 'sandbox' or something [17:50:18] I think once I was creative and called it 'Munshot', but I can't prove it [17:50:19] Parachute is surviving, with a safety margin, after a ~ 1 kps coast through the upper stratosphere. [17:52:10] https://imgur.com/a/8GNTQ [17:52:10] https://i.imgur.com/6hsV4MN.png [17:54:08] Wait, looks like we WILL achieve unpowered to space. [17:54:43] does anyone know why the partially deployed high gain antenna on Galileo was useless? shouldn't it have a calculable beam pattern that is still better than an isotropic one? [17:57:17] so I'd say it's definitely an orbit-capable design. [18:01:36] High suborbital trajectory means a very rapid re-entry, but should be within the tolerances of the stock heat shield. [18:08:02] Sorry it's night, but that actually ended up being a successful mission. https://imgur.com/a/9oPwY [18:08:03] https://i.imgur.com/UcWVras.png [18:09:37] in this career game my first moon vehicle was called the advanced munshot, because the less advanced never actually flew [18:09:37] Ditched the drogue shoot, just to avoid motion sickness. [18:09:56] aah [18:18:17] I'm going for orbit in the same craft, nearly, just with more booster thrust and less first stage lower down. [18:21:48] just restarted my machine...KSP seems to perform the best right after a restart for some reason. [18:26:17] Worked well even with a very poor launch (205 km apo) https://imgur.com/a/EbtS4 [18:26:17] https://i.imgur.com/Vusny7c.png [18:26:56] Just need to circularize, and maybe take a risk and upgrade the astronaut complex so Jeb can EVA this time? Haven't even accepted "orbit kerbin" for an advance yet, #soyeah. [18:29:16] crazy would be to circularize, go back to peri, and aim for a flyby of mun or something. But I'm sure there's contracts I'd want before starting that mission. [18:29:30] https://i.gyazo.com/9d596289144a0bf7738eff4fc610216a.png - still one of my favorite ship designs in this save. [18:29:47] monoprop [18:29:48] also, nodes. [18:30:02] where we are going, we dont need any nodes [18:30:13] Althego, I have full monoprop and ablator. [18:30:18] i make a point of making my first mun missions without nodes [18:30:22] On top of that upper stage I screenshotted. [18:32:15] The suborbital trajectory is high, but also equatorial. [18:32:23] https://imgur.com/a/PO1ug [18:32:23] https://i.imgur.com/KsfXbVC.png [18:33:42] But Mun is quite a bit far ahead for a classic transfer burn at the most efficient new peri? [18:33:58] Honestly, there's no risk in trying for this -- he'll just go back to Kerbin. [18:34:03] But I am open to thoughts? [18:35:06] forgot this one re Mun position. https://imgur.com/a/naaoW [18:35:11] https://i.imgur.com/CfF1kZZ.png [18:37:35] I'm back [18:38:20] JCB: I think most games should have a radio station. Think Fallout 3, and Cities:Skylines. [18:39:39] we have a 207x85 km orbit (got lazy and didn't thrust limit etc). [18:40:26] somewhat under half fuel remaining in the stage. [18:42:10] Jeb wants to know about using a flyby of Mun for a gravity assist to land on Kerbol, as well? :P [18:42:40] 'Land' on Kerbol? [18:43:05] https://i.gyazo.com/f6e306a400d2139bc8a13d77a1cd3e11.png [18:44:38] You don't "Land" on Kerbol. You vaporise and become one with the star [18:47:47] ... it's a spoiler as to what happens when you reach the surface of Kerbol. [18:49:19] *Click on Kerbol* "I AM TETSUO KERMAN" [18:54:50] Anyhow, I know I'm being a little sloppy, but I'm having fun keeping up with these kind of stretch goals, and have yet to lose a Kerbal or revert a flight. [18:55:28] I have used a transfer stage not much bigger than that to go to Mun, decelerate, and ditch it immediately before landing for safety. [18:55:51] But it also had a terrier, and started nearly full. [18:57:41] For the record: First man in orbit about 56 game minutes from the beginning. [18:57:51] Probably more than that in the VAB. [18:59:31] With world-firsts contracts (like returning from orbit), I don't need to see the contract before launch, no? I know I don't need to *accept* it. [18:59:40] But I could accept it, and launch Val's training flight. [19:02:49] Re Val's training flight, can I take a financial loss if it's fun? https://imgur.com/a/Ajci3 , with parachute tests right above it. [19:02:49] https://i.imgur.com/4xhKfcR.png [19:03:08] *above/below [19:04:09] LOL. Test "flea" orbiting Kerbin. I wonder if you could use it as a heat shield? [19:06:32] once, yes. [19:07:54] I wonder, would really need docking parts but. [19:08:13] What about a flea-based stage that remains on a rescuee's pod to deorbit both? [19:08:53] fire flea, undock when it burns out, reenter. [19:10:06] you don't need to have fuel in it to test the engine. [19:10:38] v2demn GTA3 started the trend ... I think. Though, they also had websites online for real too. Chatter is nice, but does it take into account loosing LOS with ground stations or? [19:10:59] I didn't think of that. [19:11:11] the impulse to deorbit isn't a problem. [19:11:24] and from a fairly low orbit, you can burn retrograde from any point? [19:12:22] https://i.gyazo.com/261bb54f23a128ab0250b06cdb8fba21.png [19:12:23] need to make sure to have little if any tumble. [19:12:28] That's easy to fix, by abusing stock. [19:12:59] JCB, I seriously can't believe I'm considering that either. It was more of a joke. [19:13:02] Maybe in sandbox? [19:13:48] Draconiator, wow. What's the acceleration with that engine maxed on landing? It looks small. [19:14:19] JCB: GTA3 ? Simcopter had a radio station in 1996... [19:14:37] I didn't really get much into GTA.. friend just happened to have the game at the time [19:14:47] The only thing that GTA3 did differently was using licenced music [19:14:50] even for what looks like a tiny probe [19:16:20] I've seen tempting sales on GTA, but I don't think my laptop (1 gig video memory) could do it. [19:18:30] not really into action games either [19:19:07] Pakaran: I've spent the last week in Anno 2205 [19:19:33] nice. I like Stellaris. [19:19:42] And the weeks before that in kOS [19:20:12] one link is worth a page of explanation: steamcommunity.com/id/ve2dmn/ [19:21:28] Gnomoria looks great... if I can ask, was it abandoned? I've heard various things. [19:21:37] and I like "similiar" games... prison architect, rimworld.... [19:21:41] it's abandonned [19:21:44] minecraft [19:22:09] there's a few late-game bugs that are a problem [19:22:19] but the basis of Gnomoria still works fine [19:23:07] Some lone programmer is trying to make a clone of it: ingnomoria I think it's called [19:23:19] aah, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. [19:23:24] If I ever finish this KSP mission :) [19:23:38] I think I know how to do the transfer burn. [19:24:34] Also, Val's training flight, then probably rescues and Minmus? [19:25:02] I'm open to other ideas for fun stuff, beyond just what the missions suggest. [19:26:06] Land back on the polar regions of Kerbin? (For extra SCIENCE!) [19:26:26] ve2dmn factorio's got me, it's got me good. [19:26:30] Val can definitely do that. [19:26:42] madmerlynx: That's my next obession [19:26:53] Pakaran: also, I don't know about you, but I ususally install KEI [19:27:06] for delta-v and the like? [19:27:07] I've set up a MP server, but I'm not keeping it online 24h because I don't want to worry about offline biter invasions [19:27:23] Somehow, I thought that came from FAR? [19:27:45] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/143433-ksp-131-kei-kerbin-environmental-institute123-2017-10-11/ [19:28:06] ooh nice! [19:28:11] That would save so much time. [19:28:21] Especially in what are largely training flights (for myself, and Kerbals). [19:28:56] Hmm. Another thing I've wanted to do before, never got that far, but shouldn't be hard in principle: [19:29:21] Leave a scientist in orbit with a lab, just researching what other missions send to/from comnet. [19:29:48] madmerlynx: I'm currently obessed with finishing Anno 2205, even if the game is not THAT good (compared to the previous title) [19:29:50] Would need some 2.5m parts for a heavy lift rocket, but other than that...? [19:30:01] I've meant to get back to KSP missions... been sick on and off since start of the year which really killed things for me. :\ [19:30:19] After that it will be Civ 6 (because Humble Monthly) and Final Fantasy 12 ( because PC release) [19:30:30] whats a good craft sharing service? [19:30:49] JCB: KerbalX? [19:31:11] Uber [19:31:22] test swivel landed at kerbin, test mk16 shoot in flight over Kerbin. [19:31:34] And Val is going to the poles. Possibly after I arrange lunch. [19:31:37] ah.. X [19:31:44] Remember when uber was internet slang for something really super or good? Pepperidge Farm remembers. [19:31:55] realized I got a bunch of craft just off the side.. quite a few planes too. [19:32:15] designing planes will be a... process for me, heh. [19:32:22] even with stock aerodynamics. [19:32:50] Eh, I can design planes without thinking now. [19:33:11] without thinking? but how do you move your fingers? [19:33:28] Well you know what I mean. [19:33:29] Draconiator: seek nothingness of mind? [19:33:47] namaste [19:34:08] I MEANT that UI used to struggle with how the hell to get them to fly. [19:34:15] now I don't anymore [19:34:36] I've made a couple of airliners... one or two I really like, flies nice. Though... I dn't know if they worth sharing? [19:34:50] I'd be interested. [19:35:03] I mean, I still need to unlock the parts in this game, but yeah. [19:35:18] madmerlynx: Factorio worth the price? [19:35:32] airliners for tourists? [19:35:37] that's another "eventually". [19:36:10] yeah [19:36:33] it takes some getting used to at first, early game can really suck if you don't have a plan [19:36:38] but it's like crack [19:36:59] once you get going you just want to keep improving designs etc. [19:37:02] I just finished Mario+Rabbids too [19:37:14] yeah. third year on it and i can stop at any moment [19:37:50] I like Sandbox mode though...can never get into Career for some reason. [19:40:03] Being new, a lot of things that seem like grinding money are actually practice with gravity turns and such. [19:40:22] Which means less need to over-engineer the groundbreaking missions. [19:40:23] https://imgur.com/a/LxooR [19:40:56] I've done a couple of rovers but ... not sure how one could add them to other creations.. [19:41:23] I've yet to even figure out how to include them on a mun mission.. [19:41:31] JCB, correct me if I'm wrong, but the tail and the off-center wings provide drag stabilization keeping the engines from going into a climb? [19:41:45] More importantly, it looks amazing. [19:43:05] I've thought before about doing Apollo style with someone staying in orbit. [19:43:32] I never got into the improving designs bit in factorio, my factories just grow more weird and sprawling over time to churn out all the ammo and explosives I need to keep my borders clear and maybe keep some science production going more or less steadily [19:43:42] Its based off the RJ-85... https://www.skybrary.aero/images/RJ85.jpg [19:43:56] I just named it the KRJ-58 [19:44:13] Wow! [19:49:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:49:23] Hi! [19:50:04] good whatever-time-of-day [19:50:35] Good probably-opposite-of-evening-time-of-day! :D [19:50:45] (Referring to your time of day, that is) [19:50:57] it's 14:50 locally [19:51:06] 20:50 here [19:51:37] So, did I miss things? [19:52:02] Someone tried to land on Kerbol? [19:54:05] Actually? [19:54:26] APlayer: otherwise things are still the same. FH is still on the ground. [19:54:38] Can't wait for it to take off [19:55:41] I sure do hope it launches outside of my school time. I would even set an alarm if it launches in the middle of the night for me, though [19:55:58] ve2dmn, I joked about it. [19:56:19] It's not a burn the craft had sufficient delta-V to attempt. [19:56:32] Yeah, and then I made a reference to something and no one said anything [19:56:43] anyways... [19:56:53] so I'm installing a couple mods. [19:56:55] off-center wings? [19:57:11] compared with what looks like it should be the center of mass? [19:57:21] That's not what you usually see in a subsonic widebody? [19:57:34] (also including wwii bombers and the like) [19:57:45] APlayer: ha yes. New Stockalike Station expantion released [19:58:01] this is probably why I was messing up. planes are on the "for later" list. [19:58:06]