[00:58:29] I still have 1.2.2 and it looks like I'll be stuck here for good....lol [00:59:40] why? [01:34:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v erio' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:38:35] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v thebadshepperd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:40:40] Sons and daughters of Kerbin: There is a terrible darkness descending upon the galaxy, and we shall not see it ended this week. [02:44:40] Oh, uh, we stole another galaxy's dark matter. [02:44:44] <_< [02:45:52] UmbralRaptor: Indeed, they want it back! https://phys.org/news/2018-03-dark-galaxy.html [02:51:30] Hrm . . . https://www.shapeways.com/product/KTF5BS3NB/1-200-rocinante-guns-full-colour-200mm [03:01:47] Remember the Cant! https://www.shapeways.com/product/ABZN3G6GZ/1-200-canterbury?optionId=62138854 [03:02:00] well, even though it's whisper-quiet by comparison, I think I'm just gonna hang out in here -- the discord's gonna turn my brain to mush [03:02:03] hope everyone's well [03:02:51] We've got idlers coming out of our ears! [03:03:29] It's IRC. Idleness is the norm. [03:04:11] I suppose that's why it's different in the discord. [03:06:43] Chaos and discord, you mean? [03:06:43] nah, I think it's more that you can spam pictures and the moderators don't do anything about it [03:06:58] at least on here you're better off making an imgur album and just posting a single link [03:07:52] but it is what it is [03:09:03] Spam? That's, like, two links. [03:09:31] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders how much spam they could proliferate with the Space Stations photo album alone. [03:09:58] oh some people will post a good dozen images in a row, nobody will bat an eye [03:10:15] and make sure it's in general, not the pics channel [03:10:17] that channel goes unused [03:10:31] it's far too sensible to post pics in the pics channel [03:10:39] On Discord or here? I swear, sometimes there's no one on here but ghosts. Those people you see in the user list? They're all dead. [03:10:43] on discord [03:11:11] Action: Scolar_Visari is only vaguely aware such a thing exists because it's advertised for their local Elite Dangerous power play faction. [03:12:10] Action: UmbralRaptop haunts Scolar_Visari [03:12:29] Get away from me you fiend! [03:12:50] Action: Scolar_Visari fiddles through religious symbols and tries to figure out which one GhostRaptors are allergic to. [03:13:49] Scolar_Visari: none. you're hosed [03:15:03] You'd think meteoric iron would work, but ¯\_(Ä)_/¯ [03:15:07] taniwha: None? So . . . Atheism? [03:15:22] Action: Scolar_Visari ceases to believe in laptop using dinosaurs. [03:16:40] Fortunately, I'm using a phone! [03:17:08] I mean, how could raptors even type given their supinated claws!? [03:17:43] Carefully >_> [03:18:15] Scolar_Visari: probably better than most humans [03:18:34] taniwha: Given our remarkable wrists and digits, I think not! [03:18:54] if nothing else, they'd be excellent at hunt-and-peck [03:19:23] "Sorry, Dan, can I call you back? I got nose prints all over my rPhone again and it's bugging the Hell out of me." [03:26:01] Huh surprised I didn't link this before https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/space.2018.29013.emu [03:30:38] From the article: "Falcon 9 can also land with very high precision. In fact, we believe the precision at this point is good enough that we will not need legs for the next version. It will literally land with so much precision that it will land back on its launch mounts." [03:31:37] That would explain the lack of legs on the new BFR depictions? [03:32:21] "We are targeting our first cargo missions in 2022that's not a typo, although it is aspirational." [03:50:41] Action: Scolar_Visari ponders if meeting the 2022 date means launching a first stage without a finished second stage. [03:52:14] "Due to budgetary constraints, we ask that our passengers cease breathing for the next eight and a half months of interplanetary travel to conserve oxygen." [03:56:02] "We'd also like to advise passengers that, due to the lack of seatbelts aboard your spacecraft, to please hold on to the rails conveniently provided!" [03:58:56] Action: Scolar_Visari goes off to find ways to remove uneeded mass. Food? Starvation rations should cut that consumable in half. Carbon-dioxide? Splice in some chlorophyl genes and they'll be fine! [04:00:53] How about we replace the people with robots? Oh wait... [04:09:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v thebadshepperd' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:11:16] https://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Capacity-Promotion-Internal-Upgrade/dp/B00WU4OX84/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1522300148&sr=8-4&keywords=16GB+SSD - should be able to install Xubuntu on this...*bookmark* [05:12:31] hehe my first ssd was 8 gb [05:12:53] but that was how many years ago? 10? [05:19:11] Al...what is the difference between memory cards you use in like cameras, and SSD drives? aren't they really the same thing? [05:20:02] Draconiator: bus [05:20:11] (will be the main difference) [05:20:27] ah. and that means... [05:20:39] and multiple parallelism inside a pc ssd [05:20:44] but they are all nand flash [05:21:06] they both use a serial bus though, so they can be extended forever in size [05:22:53] https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/ibm-unveils-the-worlds-smallest-computer-with-an-aim-to-bring-blockchain-to-everyday-products-4397197.html [05:33:14] People want to go portable these days....Desktops are dying really. [05:34:45] hardly dying [05:35:03] desktops never die :) [05:35:05] more not really growing much [05:35:21] mobile things are also saturating [05:35:32] you dont want to have more than a few fones and tablets [05:35:41] (might shrink a bit as people who never wanted a desktop in the first place stop upgrading) [05:36:18] eternal growth is impossible [05:41:28] but the forever expanding universe.... [05:45:02] Draconiator, that is the sort of crap that only gets pumped out because idiot investors without technical knowledge or any sort of foresight buy into the hype and throw money at it [05:45:22] lets see what portables I have...I have an iPad, mu old Acer AspireOne netbook, my flip phone, and my older phone I use for an alarm clock now. I'm so satisfied as to where technology is headed though. [05:45:59] i am not [05:46:16] i always have to wait at least a decade for everything [05:46:26] i want it long before they realize people need it [05:46:48] not to mention the gpu needs a complete redesign [05:46:54] we should throw away polygons completely [05:47:06] they are more of a burden now than a helpful idea [05:47:27] nobody actually wants polygons [05:47:36] it was a compromise for small capacity [05:47:39] we are over that [05:48:17] huh, what do you reccoment as a replacement? [05:52:34] i think maybe using direct mathematical models instead of making plygons of them [05:53:39] but these are missing hardware acceleration [05:53:54] because everything is about polygons now [05:56:47] ...polygons are a mathematical model [05:56:54] a dumb one [05:57:01] i meant more alongside nurbs [05:57:33] those could model complex curved and smooth surfaces with minimal effort [05:57:42] no need to do millions for polygons [05:58:10] *of [05:58:51] tfw your code throws an exception while building an error message [05:59:09] hehe [06:00:34] you cant beat the cae level signal handler. signal caught, handler runs, starts with trying to read an environment variable without checking if it exists. that causes a segmentation fault (null pointer), this causes the signal handler to be called, which causes a segmentation fault, which calls the signal handler.... [06:01:12] signalception [06:04:23] Althego, when writing a crude system to display log messages on screen I almost made the mistake of using logging to debug the logging event handler [06:18:57] 3 launches in the next 12 hours [07:27:33] UmbralRaptop: yes, the template is complete [07:29:01] \o/ [07:29:04] Hi. [07:29:53] Has anyone else noticed crashes with xScience? [07:30:31] It's happened two or three times. *Seems* to be due to quickly hitting buttons to use multiple instruments. [07:33:31] Action: UmbralRaptop somehow managed to crash a fresh install of 1.4.2+Making History. Like, in the settings menu. [08:02:49] I have some weirdness going on... [08:03:04] i have hyperedited a vessel into orbit around the Mun for testing [08:03:28] when I enter time warp, before it actually starts moving, the vessel hops forward like 1/20th of the orbit [08:05:07] video: http://i.tivec.org/2018-03-29_10-01-51.mp4 [08:06:48] thoughts on what that could be? I'm in the process of eliminating mods that touch time warp [08:23:05] hmm, seems to only happen when simulating through KRASH [09:05:32] Rokker: I've made a decision [09:05:42] American cars > German cars [09:05:47] So much easier to work on [09:06:24] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:45:32] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:45:32] Anyone know offhand where to get craft files for Bluedog? [09:53:28] Pakaran, is this what you're looking for? https://kerbalx.com/minepagan/hangars [12:46:19] Sup everyone :D [12:47:03] I asked a stupid question on the forum and then I remembered we had a chat for that kind of stuff :( [12:55:39] so I have plenty of nice videos on youtube but for some reason the crappy video of the motocultor I made 5 years ago is getting the most views [12:56:19] lol [12:56:24] Nice lol [12:56:59] Sometimes the ugliest bunny is the most tastie one :D [12:57:17] well it gets a lot of views but for some reason it isn't my most viewed video [12:57:26] the most viewed is the guitar [12:57:46] https://youtu.be/2fc333u9bsk [12:57:46] YouTube - Making my plywood Flying V guitar [13:26:24] Fluburtur: woah, almost 100k views [13:27:45] yeah [13:28:45] gnah, I have to go and by groceries. We've got a holidy tomorrow and no shops are open [13:29:08] oh [13:29:17] smoked ham is in the fridge :) [13:31:02] steamed hams [13:31:36] *buy [13:31:59] My fridge is almost empty. That's a problem. :D [13:33:02] nice guitar [13:33:40] uhhh, more problems with the A400M... Why am I not suprised? [14:07:54] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [14:19:17] Rokker, I think you'll like this https://twitter.com/hayate334/status/978734522228355072 [14:19:18] ]FjX¦£ó°`Sh https://t.co/IRPV9JsCn8 [14:19:30] ahahaha [14:21:25] I added a 2nd camera to my big flying wing [14:21:32] nice x uingu [14:21:43] I will take it for a flight soon [14:31:05] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/428923562087415818/DSC_8618.JPG [14:31:41] why in the same direction? [14:31:49] to record hd [14:31:55] but I can point it anywhere if I want [14:32:00] so one for real time, the other for recordinf [14:32:04] yeah [14:33:51] I also wrote my contact info and address on the plane in case I lose it [14:33:56] but I hope it won't happen [14:34:00] you need a bigger plane and mount that camera under the wing like those early spyplanes did. :D [14:34:15] eh I don't want to land on the camera [14:34:20] hehe [14:34:27] but I will build a better fpv wing soon [14:34:28] that is why you need a bigger plane [14:34:38] with a bit thinner wings and aerodynamic pod [14:34:50] and I will be able to move the fpv camera around [14:35:28] and the angry neighbors shoot it down, because who needs a spy drone above them [14:35:40] will looke a bit like that http://fwcg.3dzone.dk/?wing_span=120&root_chord=30&tip_chord=20&sweep_type=1&sweep=20&cg_pos=20&show_mac_lines=0 [14:35:56] eh peoples around here actually enjoy my stuff [14:38:46] Fluburtur, I'll be interested to see how that affects the flight characteristics. If it were KSP, it would be flyable but unstable [14:39:34] you mean the camera on my current wing or the next one? [14:40:01] because that will jsut slow it down a bit and it is already ultra slow [14:41:31] I was referring to the current setup you haven't test-flown yet [14:41:48] CoM moves up [14:41:51] why would it make it unstable? [14:42:48] Althego, Unstable in the sense that it has a tendency to roll. Not in the sense that it will be uncontrollable [14:43:09] Just like if you build a plane in KSP and point the wings down [14:43:11] eh not really [14:43:20] this one doesn't have much roll [14:43:23] and it is very stable [14:43:42] Fluburtur, I believe you, but I'll be interested to hear how it goes :) [14:43:47] well time to go fly, I will send you the video [14:43:54] Have fun! [14:44:23] Althego, on the other hand, having CoM below CoL in KSP will make the craft auto-stabilise [14:44:44] yes, but this is relatively light [14:44:50] only small difference [14:45:14] Althego, well the craft itself looks very light [14:45:17] oh no the camera is fairly heavy [14:45:25] then it might be a problem [14:45:29] I put it there because im flying it on a single battery now [14:45:36] but real physics will show us [14:45:42] the whole plane is like 1kg [14:46:00] probably no issue with drag if it flies slowly [14:53:35] I'm trying to program a Kerbin de-orbit procedure. Using the vis-a-vis eq. to calculate the deltaV to bring my periapsis down to ~40km. For the calculation of my new velocity, is the semi-major axis the same as the calculation for my current velocity? [15:00:00] Hi mib_iduhku [15:00:43] hehe i dont understand the question. not that i could help much, not exactly my field [15:01:14] wasnt it the vis-viva equation? [15:01:36] Yeah same here, sorry. Maybe someone like taniwha can help [15:01:51] but it is getting late in japan [15:02:11] yes, past midnight [15:03:43] THAT'S NO EXCUSE! [15:04:41] hehe derp, yes the vis-visa equation [15:05:34] let's see. this vis viva shows a connection between current distance and current velocity, while knowing the semi major axis. now if i think of it if you change the orbit from circular to slightly ellipsoidal with a smaller minor axis, your current speed wouldnt change according to it. since your semi major stays the same and your current distance stays the same [15:06:05] (assuming a momentary burn) [15:06:19] it could show you your speed on the other side, when you are closer [15:06:26] but this is not interesting for delta v [15:07:40] Hmm, I was thinking: calculate current v at periap, calculate v at 40km, subtract the two to get deltaV to apply at apoapsis to reach new periapsis [15:08:33] as i said, i dont have much experience with this, so i may be wrong [15:08:44] you could go up in a craft and see what happens [15:09:16] there is obviously some delta v needed, so there must be a way to calculate it [15:10:42] there must be something in here http://www.braeunig.us/space/orbmech.htm [15:10:44] I think I get what you're saying: since orbit starts circular my major axis is the same as the minor axis. When reducing an orbit at apoapsis your deltaV only changes the periapsis so the minor axis will change but the major axis won't? [15:10:47] i remember i looked at this [15:11:29] oh wait a sec, what you are doing is a hohmann transfer orbit [15:11:35] you could google that [15:12:14] That leads me back to vis-visa eq :P [15:12:36] But I think I got my major axis question sorted out, shall try running my program [15:13:11] that site i linked seems to be containing the information [15:13:17] orbit altitude changes [15:14:25] yes it seems to be the vis viva [15:14:27] somehow [15:15:38] aha, only half of it. the other half is a special case because it is circular [15:17:00] hehe it seems i didnt know what the semi major axis was [15:17:04] it makes sense now [15:17:56] anyway the hard part is the aerobraking in this, to caclulate where it will land... [15:21:48] Not aiming for a specific spot or trying to handle aerobraking yet, just trying to get periapsis to 40k, align retrograde until ~30k & enable chutes [15:23:21] But maybe eventually... I started a new game where I don't touch in-game controls & only use programs to manipulate the vessel :) [15:23:38] must be hard [15:23:45] and programming is fun [15:23:57] but i am not sure i would want to do this in ksp [15:24:15] even know, when i dont do simulation anymore [15:26:08] It's very fun :) I've gotten sub-orbital launches w/ automatic staging & science collection, automatic maneuver executions, and launchpad to LKO. Even wrapped it up in a terminal UI: https://github.com/prikhi/ksp-automation [15:26:36] But I need a de-orbit program to get the science from my orbital launches :P [15:30:19] im back [15:30:30] I recorded for 8 minutes and the file is 1gig [15:30:59] wow. [15:31:05] Have fun uploading this... [15:31:44] also there was a bit of wind so it was a bit of a rollercoaster up there [15:31:49] spent helf the time hovering [15:36:56] so Munar tourism has me rich in funds (and, shortly, science). [15:37:24] Fluburtur, how were the flight characteristics compared to the same plane without the camera? [15:37:44] identical as far as I can tell [15:37:54] I'm thinking pretty soon I need R&D level 2, largely for the Mobile Processing Lab and some other specific parts. I already have orange tanks & other 2.5m gear. [15:38:03] but because of the wind the flight was a bit difficult so I can't really tell [15:39:11] My question now: For an initial Space Camp, do I just want a BFR with a few Hitchhikers and life support containers, designed to land intact minus upper stage engine, or is it too early to be thinking about a 'permanent' station? [15:40:33] I'd need to start setting alarms for crew rotation (playing UKS), and I'm wondering if that's "worth it", even if the basic statio can likely be done for well under twice the funds of the single-use BFR. [15:40:43] *station [15:41:08] I suppose I could also leave the station empty when not actively using it. [15:41:26] Interesting [15:41:57] Thoughts? [15:42:30] Pakaran, why not just to whatever seems the most fun right now? [15:42:37] Designing the station is intimidating. Especially since it would need multiple accessible docking nodes, *after* I unlock the lab and add that and a few other things. [15:43:02] Deddly, because I overthink things? lol [15:43:12] I personally like to do big things with low tech [15:43:21] Then upgrade as needed [15:43:31] I might be able to afford the lab now, but not with some life support parts I also want. [15:43:57] for that matter, if modules are docked, visting ships can deorbit obsolete ones. [15:44:46] hmm... [16:03:02] Althego: Tested it and automated de-orbits work great now, thanks for talking it out w/ me :) [16:03:17] haha i didnt help [16:08:50] I could probably 3d print my airfoil templates but I guess the hot wire cutter would destroy them quickly [16:09:22] unless you use them for a mold to cast from bronze or something :) [16:09:28] eh [16:09:46] I make new airfoil templates for almost every plane I make and I use them twice [16:09:54] then it is pointless [16:10:24] but maybe one day I will have enough templates that I can just reuse the old ones [16:10:35] I used the ones I made for my flying wings a bunch of times [16:11:01] well, I'm not going to be launching until I recover Jeb in a few game days, but this is a rough draft of my single-use spacecamp. https://imgur.com/a/xCaz1 [16:11:02] https://i.imgur.com/TehPneQ.png [16:12:14] Among other things, it may be too heavy for the pad, but most of the ways to fix that involve making the Poodle burn time even greater, and it's going to circularize after apo as things stand, I suspect. [16:13:27] yeah, it needs to be under 140 tonnes. [16:14:03] the solids are usually really heavy [16:14:43] I could use a bigger first stage, with two 2.5m engines, and no boosters, Althego? [16:15:17] uh I would like to make the wings of my bush plane today [16:15:22] if it helps your mass problem [16:15:38] I'm just not experienced with making payloads this heavy, even to LKO. [16:17:02] https://youtu.be/YHdOh90kGHQ [16:17:02] YouTube - Slow Mo 4K Kittens [16:17:28] Not within a factor of three, even. [16:17:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:30:32] How's this? It's still just slightly heavy, but has plenty of delta-V, and I can remove mass from the main first stage tank (the drop tanks aren't that big). https://imgur.com/a/ZMm0C [16:30:32] https://i.imgur.com/GtVeLS9.png [16:34:30] Oh, also, that first stage engine doesn't provide thrust vectoring, so I'll probably just add thrusters to the stage. [16:36:11] ... control surfaces vs thrust vectoring.. [16:36:31] no controls [16:36:34] we orbit like men [16:36:36] I've noticed vectoring is pretty instant, surfaces take a little time to react, adjust. [16:36:39] i have control! [16:36:52] free trajectory gravity turn [16:37:08] each to their own [16:38:24] I've seen people on Youtube succeed with making a gravity turn initiated by a single goo container facing east. [16:38:38] To me, that seems like a good way to plow into the ground at mach 2. [16:38:40] should be enough [16:38:44] i could never master this [16:38:44] I have a rocket that can orbit without touching the controls [16:38:56] because you need to have a really tiny starting turn [16:39:04] that will increase itself automatically [16:41:07] on the flip side, people would call that lazy :P [16:41:25] lazyness drives engineers [16:41:39] well, the CoM imbalance will increase itself as the craft lightens. [16:42:07] I feel like you'd want actual differential equations, or a bunch of trial and error, to make it increase itself the right total amount. [16:43:04] as long as it flies, makes it to orbit, however you do it.. does what you want... [16:43:20] yeah [16:43:30] so what you want 'cause a pirate is free [16:43:40] and making it to orbit in stockish is fairly easy to over-engineer. [16:44:20] all jool missions tend to be a bit heavy and putting them into orbit is hard [16:44:26] maybe not now with the 5 m part [16:44:27] s [16:45:07] warm https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/255748182426910720/428957318886195220/DSC_5938.JPG [16:45:20] is that with or without mining the moons? [16:46:11] you want that as your garden barbecue? [16:47:04] laythe does not require much because of airbreathing, the main issue is tylo, and landing there requires lot of fuel anyway, so not much point to mine [16:48:44] But you can mine there to get off it again. ;P [16:49:03] fairly little gain, and you have to use more fuel to land the mining rig [16:49:23] hmm true [16:50:46] hehe i didnt know there was a singer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gMX_hR-RoM [16:50:46] YouTube - Compressorhead-Ace of Spades-Now with 350kg Singer [16:52:42] Today in telescope delays: http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?y=2018&m=3&d=28&pg=5&id=820545 [16:53:07] Fluburtur ... warmer... [16:54:08] makes me wonder how much heat those parts have to endure sitting in the jet blast.. [16:55:30] https://youtu.be/5Kc5yGBgp4c [16:55:30] YouTube - All 5 Joolian moons with a single common core [16:55:57] huh this was already a long time ago [16:56:11] lasst few months i was eaither too tired to do anything or i was playing career [16:57:27] hmm so the indian launch was a success [16:57:36] 2 other launches upcoming in 1 hour [16:57:44] spacex tomorrow [16:58:11] but one is some russian defence thing the other is chinese, doubt there is any stream [17:01:02] hah this is strange, the boosters are hypergolic, the first stage is solid [17:15:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:44:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:44:10] https://78.media.tumblr.com/cd8eb0472905075851c5e35052c86039/tumblr_p63zug9yyo1qas1mto6_540.jpg [18:49:21] A booster is often a solid choice [18:49:37] is that a pun? [18:51:03] but on the indian rocket it is the core, and the boosters are hypergolic liquid [18:51:35] well, no update on the russian and chinese rockets [18:55:00] Althego: They are jsut a blast ;) [18:57:19] Hello [18:57:42] Can you help me with something? [18:58:09] maybe [18:59:12] Alright well I'm wondering how exactly you calculate the launch window for Duna [18:59:28] http://alexmoon.github.io/ksp/ [18:59:51] or some mod, i think maybe kerbal alarm clock has the same thing in game [19:00:31] Sweet, thanks! [19:01:21] but i can tell you that first window is year 1 day 230, +- say a dozen days [19:03:03] Tranfer window planner by TriggerAu [19:03:22] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/84005-14x-transfer-window-planner-v1630-march-18/ [19:05:50] i am pretty sure it was also in one of the big mods, maybe mechjeb? but i dont use those so i cant remember [19:06:05] it works with KAC [19:06:17] It's the same author as KAC [19:24:58] Glass|phone: not gonna lie, the x-wing a-10 was kinda dope [19:27:01] mm... someone should try a BSG Viber A-10 cross over next :) [19:40:29] there is a porkchop plot built into mechjeb that makes it easy [19:41:36] https://i.gyazo.com/555be6ad5580c8adcdccfe59a0a56419.png - Yep hellllpdontwannadothisanymore [19:44:57] if they did, there wouldnt be so many idiots [19:45:31] cosmic brain: members of congress are robots [19:48:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/429003942333120514/DSC_8619.JPG [20:04:57] Question, is the Unlicense compatible with CC-BY-SA-NC 4.0? [20:06:31] as in, can something Unlicense be redistributed under CC-BY-SA-NC 4.0? Yes, it looks that way. "Anyone is free to...publish...or distribute this software...by any means." [20:06:57] sounds like the BSD licence in a way [20:07:01] And it counts as a public domain statement in places where that's a thing (most places), so it's basically CC-0 [20:07:26] seems like a memelicense though :/ [20:07:46] meme licence? [20:08:17] Can I haz this things without strings? K thx buy! [20:08:46] This one isn't quite that bad, but there are e.g. JSON license ("The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil."), and the WTFPL [20:08:57] which are very kitschy and statement-y and also legally worse than doing nothing imo [20:09:27] well, not quite that bad, but jesus use something that legitimate foundations have spent a substantial amount of money and time on! [20:11:24] I do like how concise it is vs CC0, but that's not necessarily always a selling point in the legal world unfortuantely :/ [20:15:03] So, does the JSON license basically mean that the software is still copyrighted? [20:15:43] the JSON license basically means it's JSON itself, I don't know of anything else that uses the license because it's a stupid license >:( [20:15:46] (ie: unusable for 70-150 years) [20:15:49] like intentionally designed to be bad [20:28:47] Mat2ch so im cutting the wings for my bush plane and im considering making it a biplane [20:35:19] but why? :D [20:35:28] because I can [20:35:45] it wouldn't look like a bush plane but that would be nuts [20:35:51] tons of lift and super low wing loading [20:36:22] and very good roll characteristics [20:36:27] yeah [20:36:40] probably very slow too but that would actually be good [20:43:15] SnoopJeDi: yeah, unlicense is about as vague as I go myself [20:43:47] It's on the same level of terseness as MIT so I suppose it's nbd [20:43:48] oh nuts my scrollbuffer was in the past that's not a recent thing I'm replying to (oops) [20:43:55] mostly I just hate that people reinvent the copyleft wheel [20:44:04] nod [20:44:06] If you had something interesting to say in your new license okay sure that'd be neat [20:44:14] SnoopJeDi: insert relevant xkcd [20:44:17] but if you're doing it to be an edgelord, you are in fact part of the problem [20:44:20] ve2dmn: IKR [20:44:28] >.< [20:44:42] I can't even think about edgelords / devbro politics right now :( [20:45:32] I don't know what you are referencing [20:45:52] I was thinking: https://xkcd.com/927/ [20:45:53] generally speaking: people with half-baked ideas who are confident in peddling those ideas because they are Very Smart" [20:46:08] c.f. the Google memo [20:46:20] so... the TV show about silicon valley? [20:46:38] ...the one called Silicon Valley? :P [20:46:54] hum... yes :D [20:46:54] but yea that comic is certainly valid for licenses [20:48:48] I'm currently playing Halcyon 6... kind of distracted :D [20:50:59] ve2dmn: do you like it so far? I have very mixed feelings about that game [20:51:13] The original or the lightspeed edition? [20:51:18] I've only played lightspeed [20:51:33] I've backed the kickstarter [20:51:52] The lightspeed edition fixed a few of the problem the original one had [20:53:16] And I like the added elements of the DLC [20:55:29] I do rememeber the original beta were there was a bug and the ennemy would spawn so many fleets, it was impossible to win [20:55:37] oh, I haven't tried the DLC. The Lightspeed edition looked a lot better than the original when looking at the criticisms [20:55:40] but that beta was nly chapter 1 [20:56:24] DLC adds a special Mixed-class ship that is upgraded by artifacts [20:58:29] hmm, that does sound pretty interesting, maybe I'll get it :) [20:59:23] it's the only 'Tier 6' ship [21:00:35] if you want to see what it looks like: http://steamcommunity.com/broadcast/watch/765611979944515 [21:12:34] im still a bit miffed this new content comes with a price tag [21:14:21] ? [21:16:33] cuz you paid for the classic edition? [21:35:50] time for some printer tuning [21:51:29] 3D printer? [21:55:06] yes [21:55:22] actually no it's a gaming pc [21:56:07] :D [21:56:44] i was gonna say lol right now i am dealing with tuning with my 3D printer. [21:56:59]