[01:05:30] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/fa45c5c6698d3eb4670d1ba53fde6807/tumblr_oyhqhfsgqN1w064qto1_500.jpg
[04:43:53] <Guest96996> ?
[04:48:26] <UmbralRaptor> Well, that's not a helpful question. 
[05:35:44] <Althego> https://youtu.be/BGk6_KEFtLE
[05:35:44] <kmath> YouTube - Geek Spinner Demonstration
[05:40:29] <Althego> https://newatlas.com/shape-memory-alloy-rover-wheel-nasa/52344/
[06:07:05] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[06:25:54] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy!
[06:32:21] <Supernovy> Tere hommikust BadRocketsCo
[06:34:20] <BadRocketsCo> Supernovy: heh, you times it right this time
[06:34:25] <BadRocketsCo> timed*
[06:37:59] <BadRocketsCo> Supernovy: how have you been,
[06:38:06] <Supernovy> pretty good
[06:39:51] <BadRocketsCo> Noiss
[06:43:39] <E> Why is this an IRC and not a discord? :/
[06:44:05] <Althego> because discord is overrated hipster thing
[06:44:12] <Guest30249> No it's not
[06:45:35] <Guest30249> you can have roles in Discord believe it or not
[06:46:07] <Althego> and?
[06:46:20] <Guest30249> You can chat and be in multiple servers and it has sleeker design
[06:46:38] <Guest30249> And ease of management is a big thing
[06:46:43] <Althego> sleeker design is a minus. i can do the others too on irc
[06:47:01] <Althego> well, management, sure, i dont run an irc server, true, it may be better in that
[06:47:07] <Guest30249> Well if you don't like a sleeker design, install a theme with a less sleeker design
[06:47:36] <Althego> anyway https://xkcd.com/1782/
[06:48:25] <Guest30249> what does that mean?
[06:48:59] <Althego> that whatever your current chat system is, it will be at one point changed to an other one, except for irc, that will stay here forever
[06:49:17] <Guest30249> Discord will be here forever too
[06:49:25] <Althego> you think that now
[06:49:30] <Guest30249> And IRC is here because it's probably the most simple chat service
[06:49:32] <Althego> what happened to icq and msn?
[06:50:06] <Supernovy> The answer to the question is "Because some of the early adopters of KSP were also IRC users"
[06:51:28] <Guest30249> Also IRC just looks unnatractive
[06:51:54] <Althego> to me discord looks barely tolerable
[06:52:07] <ConductorCat> :3
[06:52:18] <Guest30249> How so?
[06:52:31] <Althego> how? it is ugly
[06:52:39] <Althego> also it is a browser app
[06:52:52] <Guest30249> install a theme for it that isnt ugly for you
[06:52:57] <Guest30249> THIS IS A BROWSER APP MATE
[06:53:05] <Althego> for you
[06:53:12] <Althego> but normal irc clients are not
[06:53:33] <taniwha> I've used IRC in a browser exactly once, and for about 20 seconds
[06:53:40] <Althego> hehe
[06:53:42] <taniwha> (just to check how to help someone else)
[06:53:44] <Althego> i liked chatzilla
[06:53:45] <Guest30249> Also, there is an application version on the home page of the website
[06:53:47] <Althego> and it is dead now
[06:53:59] <Althego> but even then it was a secondary client
[06:54:23] <Guest30249> Althego there is an application version of discord
[06:54:37] <Althego> that is the browser app packaged with a chrome browser
[06:54:45] <Guest30249> no it isnt
[06:54:45] <Althego> 32 bit...
[06:54:48] <Althego> it is
[06:55:19] <Guest30249> Oh and how would you know?
[06:55:53] <Guest30249> do* not would
[06:56:09] <Draconiator> https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Desktop-i5-7400-Windows-TC-780-ACKI5/dp/B073YHNPC6/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1511938411&sr=1-1&keywords=Computer&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A13580791011 - looking at a complete upgrade, mine is horribly old now.
[07:08:43] <Draconiator> https://www.amazon.com/W5-Computer-Processor-Bluetooth-Supports/dp/B076D79KKN/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1511939227&sr=1-11&keywords=Computer&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A13580791011%7C13580793011 - WEIRD.
[07:10:38] <tawny> technically it's electron, not chrome, but same difference really
[07:12:32] <tawny> also the biggest problem I have with using discord by far is that when the internet cuts out for more than, like, five seconds, you stop being able to use the dang client
[07:12:48] <tawny> that's awful design with absolutely no excuse for it
[07:15:22] <taniwha> IRC isn't ugly, though many clients "are" (very subjective:)
[07:18:59] <tawny> the irc protocol can be a tiny bit ugly haha
[07:19:18] <taniwha> and who sees it normally? :)
[07:19:26] <tawny> fair point :)
[07:19:35] <Althego> if you try to irc through telnet... :
[07:19:59] <taniwha> that would be a masochist :)
[07:20:12] <taniwha> email via telnet is bad enough
[07:45:58] <ConductorCat> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasal_cycle
[08:36:56] <Althego> did the vasimr engine progress anything in the last few years?
[08:37:17] <Althego> there were some statement that it would be tested on iss and used for reboost
[08:37:26] <Althego> but nothing  happened
[08:37:49] <Althego> ok, there is the hofstadter law, but still
[08:40:34] <tawny> remind me, vasimr is just a variable-strength ion thruster?
[08:40:49] <Althego> something like that
[08:41:19] <Althego> it can have different efficiency and thrust levels and uses plasma
[08:45:15] <Althego> i found on wiki that they have a 3 year support from nasa, and they met the second year goal this year having 10 hours of operation on 100 kW
[08:45:25] <Althego> nothing more detailed
[09:18:39] <Althego> hah stratolauch has bigger wingspan than the spruce goose
[09:31:31] <tawny> that's scaled composites' new plane they haven't finished yet?
[09:42:02] <Althego> as i see them, they have nothign but new planes
[09:42:34] <Althego> wk2 and ss2 are still way off from doing a complete space flight
[09:42:57] <Althego> and honestly at this point it is pointless, spacex and blue origin is faster
[10:15:12] <Blaank> I thought that was the Rok
[10:15:34] <Blaank> Well suborbital hops are way cheaper.
[10:15:57] <Blaank> And SpaceShipTwo is a tourist thing.  Blue Origin is as well, right?
[10:16:10] <Althego> dont think so
[10:16:29] <Althego> but they will make it orbital in shorter time than scaled makes the commercial suborbital flight
[10:16:47] <Blaank> Oh, Blue Origin is going orbital?
[10:17:10] <Althego> there is a reason they are developing the worlds biggest rocket engine
[10:17:32] <Blaank> Orbital and suborbital are so different I didn't think they'd bother with one before the other.
[10:18:07] <Blaank> Now when nobody had done orbital, it made sense to get experience with launches and rockets and landings and such.
[10:18:22] <TheKosmonaut> Theyre definitely claiming to be on their way to orbital SHLV
[10:18:45] <Blaank> That's quite a leap from a sub orbital rocket.
[10:18:57] <Blaank> What heavyweight is pushing this?
[10:19:27] <Blaank> So they are skipping light, normal, and heavy orbital vehicles entirely?
[10:22:47] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: Jeff Bezos and his Scrooge mcduck amounts of cash
[10:22:54] <Blaank> amazon guy?
[10:22:58] <TheKosmonaut> Yup
[10:23:04] <TheKosmonaut> Its his company
[10:23:12] <Althego> amazon guy and paypal guy go into space business :)
[10:23:16] <TheKosmonaut> And hes putting like 1B USD per year
[10:23:22] <TheKosmonaut> Into BO
[10:23:57] <Blaank> 2.4MN engine.  IS that big?
[10:23:59] <TheKosmonaut> And supposedly hes getting people that are burnt out by SpaceX long hours.
[10:24:21] <Blaank> poaching overworked people is a good strategy.
[10:25:22] <Blaank> If KSP were realscale I could take 2.4MN and figure out what engine that compared to.
[10:28:44] <BadRocketsCo> o/ TheKosmonaut 
[10:28:59] <TheKosmonaut> BadRocketsCo: youre alive!
[10:29:06] <BadRocketsCo> -ish
[10:29:10] <BadRocketsCo> :D
[10:29:34] <BadRocketsCo> School takes up a lot of time and I have taken a bit of a pause from KSP
[10:29:44] <TheKosmonaut> Ha. Spoken like a true Baltic statesman
[10:30:00] <BadRocketsCo> Indeed :D
[10:30:05] <Kalpa> Supernovy: !
[10:30:10] <BadRocketsCo> Also, I am now technicaly an adult
[10:30:30] <Supernovy> Hello Kalpa
[10:30:58] <Kalpa> Are wetas common where you're from?
[10:31:28] <Kalpa> Some kind of bugs.
[10:35:52] <TheKosmonaut> BadRocketsCo: nice.
[10:40:55] <Supernovy> I've seen a couple make their way inside.
[10:44:00] <Kalpa> Supernovy: I've been playing a New Zealandean (?) videogame lately
[10:44:32] <Supernovy> New Zealander is the correct term, I think. I personally prefer 'New Zealandic'
[10:45:12] <Kalpa> They sold weta bugs as player pets
[10:45:17] <Kalpa> They were super cheap.
[10:49:58] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/V4eb29e_tso
[10:49:58] <kmath> YouTube - Dangerous Christmas Laser Show Upgrade - 1000x Stronger
[11:00:50] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAGxQIG-IPM
[11:00:50] <kmath> YouTube - Gregorian-Hell's Bells
[11:03:12] <Althego> eh action crashed upon closing the file
[11:03:22] <Althego> and thus somehow lost the whole video
[11:03:27] <Althego> that is evil
[11:03:38] <Althego> i would understand if i had lost the last few seconds
[11:04:04] <Althego> hell's bells? one of the thing harry dresden says all the time
[11:05:17] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SvhLaHRvUs
[11:05:17] <kmath> YouTube - Gregorian - Boulevard of Broken Dreams
[11:05:20] <Fluburtur> this band is good
[11:05:41] <Althego> also i had to force the resolution to be 2560x1440 again, because it vanished from the selection menu again
[11:05:46] <Althego> that may be the cause
[11:05:57] <Fluburtur> youtube is broke
[11:06:27] <Althego> and yes, it is all because of youtube because they cant imagine anything else just 16:9 resolution
[11:06:33] <Althego> they dont understand the glory of 16:'0
[11:06:49] <Rolf> 16:0 ratio? yeah
[11:06:55] <Althego> 16:10
[11:07:02] <Althego> just shift kept pressed
[11:07:06] <Rolf> though one bit would be infinite in length
[11:07:40] <Althego> similar stupidity with vim, they chose : as the command char which makes me type upper case letters half the time
[11:08:21] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/1682e5845059ba4526952c8c53c78b2f/tumblr_o1sq54hyAz1qk4s2co1_540.png
[11:08:35] <Althego> now i have to find out the reason the resolution is missing, that owuld fix it
[11:08:48] <Althego> although it is obviously working it is not working with action
[11:09:22] <Althego> i had just enough time to finish this recording today
[11:09:32] <Althego> and no, it couldnt go smoothly
[11:10:20] <Althego> meanwhile the speakers are in their 3rd day of delivery
[11:10:28] <Althego> apparently impossible task to bring them there
[11:10:54] <Rolf> https://i2.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/doc1.jpg funny for the day
[11:11:32] <Althego> who are the guys at the bottom,
[11:11:35] <Althego> ?
[11:12:19] <Rolf> doctor who
[11:12:40] <Althego> hehe it fails in normal resolution too
[11:13:01] <Althego> i have been designig and testing this mission for weeks
[11:13:02] <Rolf> its pretty poor quality
[11:13:38] <Althego> maybe it is ksp
[11:14:35] <Fluburtur> "people from florida and southern california cant touch ice cubes with bare hands because they will die of hypothermia"
[11:14:37] <Fluburtur> is it true
[11:15:23] <Althego> probably nvidia driver
[11:15:40] <Althego> if they touch it long enough
[11:15:57] <Althego> and the cube is big enough
[11:16:11] <Rolf> HUGE.
[11:16:25] <Althego> tremendous
[11:16:30] <Althego> best ice cube in the world
[11:16:38] <Althego> trust me, i know ice cubes
[11:16:42] <Rolf> one like futurerama uses to cool world
[11:16:50] <Rolf> yuge ice cube!
[11:17:30] <Rolf> Althego: whats funny is that someone actually calculated that. yes, ice cube like that COULD reverse global climate change for a little bit
[11:17:38] <Rolf> one cube a year
[11:17:50] <Kalpa> A Borg cube eh
[11:18:07] <Althego> hmm apparently i have nvec hevc too, let's try that
[11:21:27] <Supernovy> 16:16 resolution works pretty well for me.
[11:24:39] <Kalpa> That sounds a lot like 1:1 resolution
[11:24:49] <Althego> 1 pixel
[11:24:56] <Althego> the led display :)
[11:25:00] <Althego> single led in fact
[11:25:04] <Fluburtur> man, parrots cursing like sailors are the best
[11:33:38] <Rolf> interesting. https://interestingengineering.com/impossible-colors-and-how-to-train-your-eyes-to-see-them
[11:33:43] <Althego> it may even be the audio since it is going through the headphones (different "soundcard")
[11:33:46] <Rolf> I could see that new color
[11:33:55] <Rolf> takes a bit
[11:51:11] <Althego> haha the mp4 causes the unrecoverable problem
[11:51:17] <Althego> what causes the crash is differrent matter
[11:54:03] <Althego> obs records blackness
[11:56:49] <Althego> apparently it works with avi
[11:57:05] <Althego> then it is some codec thing
[11:59:33] <Althego> argh but with avi i cant use hw accekeration
[11:59:50] <Althego> that is why i was using mp4. which also means it is the fault of the nvidia driver
[12:04:19] <Althego> maybe i can try the software recording
[12:04:23] <Althego> see how that goes
[12:04:44] <Althego> but for years i used the hw acceleration without problem
[12:08:57] <Fluburtur> man it's cold
[12:09:02] <Fluburtur> but I need to build crap
[12:13:29] <Althego> 3rd day of waiting for the stuff
[12:14:05] <Althego> this time they didnt even update it in the tracking which is annoying since dor 2 days it was moving between a car and a warehaouse without ever reaching me
[12:14:53] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[12:43:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[13:07:50] <Deddly> Hey Apexseals 
[13:07:52] <Deddly> er
[13:07:55] <Deddly> Yes, I to you'
[13:08:03] <Deddly> But I meant to say hi to APlayer 
[13:08:05] <Deddly> :)
[13:08:24] <APlayer> Heyddly! :D
[13:18:45] <Althego> hmm, i have an idea, maybe if i try the shadowplay thing
[13:28:48] <TheKosmonaut> Anyone else been enjoying (or at least watching) The Orville?
[13:33:48] <Alanonzander> TheKosmonaut: I am
[13:34:06] <TheKosmonaut> Alanonzander: What do you think of it?
[13:34:12] <TheKosmonaut> I personally like ti
[13:34:13] <TheKosmonaut> it
[13:34:22] <Deddly> I like ti
[13:34:24] <Alanonzander> I love it
[13:34:34] <Deddly> I could use a cuppa right now
[13:34:45] <Alanonzander> ST:disc... gouldn't even get through the first episode before wanting to turn it off.
[13:35:25] <Althego> well, shadowplay seems to work
[13:35:50] <Althego> however i wish it wouldnt do things i didnt ask it for, like createing directiories in the target dir
[14:07:46] <Althego> now that i can record, i have structural failer what i havent seen in testing
[14:07:47] <Althego> not once
[14:12:13] <TheKosmonaut> Alanonzander: I actually really like Discovery.
[14:12:31] <TheKosmonaut> And this is coming from someone thats probably spent an unhealthy amount of his life watching Star Trek
[14:12:43] <TheKosmonaut> There are parts of it that Im not a huge fan of
[14:12:59] <TheKosmonaut> Mostly that they needed to make it edgier by making them use language
[14:23:25] <sandbox> ;/
[21:23:15] <Mathuin> That graph is awesome.
[21:32:34] Action: UmbralRaptor throws a dart at January 1, 2019.
[21:36:39] <tswett> I'd kinda like to know some of the math behind orbital modeling systems like Principia.
[21:37:40] <dlrkdesktop> Hey, so I'm having some torque issues with a symmetrical craft
[21:37:54] <tswett> I would think that they would model stuff as conics with an adjustment factor added, right?
[21:38:10] <tswett> Hi dlrkdesktop.
[21:38:32] <dlrkdesktop> Hey, tswett
[21:38:58] <dlrkdesktop> I'm staring at this craft in the editor, with CoM, CoT all displayed, and I can't figure it out
[21:40:16] <tswett> What sort of issue is it giving you?
[21:40:40] <UmbralRaptor> tswett: No, Principia does full numeric integration of the gravity of various planets / moons
[21:41:12] <dlrkdesktop> I have four symmetrical radial engines, and I'm getting torque that's keeping it off-target
[21:41:22] <dlrkdesktop> Unless I'm at a pretty low thrust
[21:41:38] <tswett> In atmosphere or out of atmosphere?
[21:42:09] <dlrkdesktop> out
[21:42:26] <Mathuin> Are you sure your COM is at the symmetrical center of the engines?
[21:42:45] <Mathuin> I made a mistake like that once and it was pretty but unuseful.
[21:44:49] <tawny> check that you don't have any flight assist mods applying trim or other control adjustments, maybe?
[21:44:56] <dlrkdesktop> when you say symmetrical center, what do you mean? Do you mean center of thrust?
[21:45:29] <dlrkdesktop> tawny:  Nope, that's not it
[21:46:20] <tawny> do these issues happen in space?
[21:46:54] <dlrkdesktop> yep
[21:46:59] <tawny> hmm
[21:47:05] <Deddly> Pics?
[21:47:11] <dlrkdesktop> one sec
[21:48:08] <dlrkdesktop> https://www.dropbox.com/s/83rlol256z4aeoq/screenshot3.png?dl=0
[21:49:11] <Deddly> How much torque is there, dlrkdesktop?
[21:49:11] <dlrkdesktop> https://www.dropbox.com/s/snrszxblwpp7xv9/screenshot4.png?dl=0
[21:49:14] <dlrkdesktop> here's a top view
[21:49:49] <dlrkdesktop> rcs build aid says .125 knm , but it's enough that it can't hold attitude with the engines running
[21:49:54] <Deddly> Difficult to tell from that angle but is that CoM offset from the centre somehow?
[21:50:11] <Mathuin> dlrkdesktop: yes, center of thrust
[21:50:24] <dlrkdesktop> mathuin: thanks
[21:50:35] <Mathuin> I apologize for the ambiguous terminology :-)
[21:50:56] <dlrkdesktop> deddly: it looks like it in the top view, but the stock pod alone shows the same, so I don't know if it mains anything
[21:50:58] <dlrkdesktop> no worries
[21:52:49] <Deddly> Difficult to tell from that angle but is that CoM offset from the centre somehow?
[21:52:51] <Deddly> oops
[21:52:54] <Deddly> Ignore that
[21:53:01] <Deddly> What I meant to say was:
[21:53:10] <dlrkdesktop> no, if I use a bit of different it looks like the c/g is straight
[21:53:38] <dlrkdesktop> different angle**
[21:53:43] <Deddly> dlrkdesktop, can you exactly line up the long purple arrow from the CoT indicator with the CoM (top view) and take another picture?
[21:54:05] <dlrkdesktop> sure
[21:55:05] <dlrkdesktop> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b3lrmc9xntw5enx/screenshot5.png?dl=0
[21:57:43] <Deddly> Yeah that looks OK
[21:58:00] <Deddly> do you get any torque when not thrusting, just sitting there in orbit?
[21:58:55] <dlrkdesktop> nope
[22:00:12] <Deddly> I'm not familiar with the engines there. Are they very high thrust?
[22:01:44] <Deddly> The only thing I can think of is the antenna at the top being off-centre, or the engines not being exactly lined up as they should be
[22:01:57] <dlrkdesktop> 90 kn each
[22:02:23] <dlrkdesktop> Engines are lined up fine, there is no antenna on top
[22:05:02] <dlrkdesktop> I wonder if partially this might been an issue with mechjeb
[22:06:54] <Deddly> I thought that red line at the top-right was an antenna https://www.dropbox.com/s/83rlol256z4aeoq/screenshot3.png?dl=0
[22:07:00] <Deddly> Apparently not :)
[22:07:09] <Deddly> Sorry I've no idea
[22:07:31] <dlrkdesktop> oh, that's the stock shielded docking port
[22:10:45] <dlrkdesktop> let's see if it'sbetter with the latest mj build
[22:16:06] <Deddly> Time for me to go. I hope you find a solution :)
[23:21:17] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net
[23:21:27] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.