[00:06:39] <senray> Looks like just rieoff the brake briefly when that happens, and moving the airbrakes is good [00:06:49] <senray> rieoff/s/letting off [01:09:59] Action: darsie rescued another Kerbal from Kerbin orbit. [01:28:19] <maltesh> Hmm. [01:28:28] <UmbralRaptor> Is there a cloud of kerbal spores in LKO? [01:34:18] <darsie> mhm [01:48:27] <iplop> Anyone here familiar with professional thermography tools? [01:51:14] <iplop> -Trying to figure out if there's anything to justify the $10k FLIR E95 vs the $4k Therm-App Pro [01:51:56] <iplop> therm-app's camera seems better in all respects [01:57:44] <iplop> FLIR makes me upset. Only their $6k+ cameras offer any benefit over my 13 year old thermal camera due to their stupid artificially imposed imaging limitations. [02:08:15] <iplop> and SEEK is full stupid with their datasheets --not sure why anyone would buy their camera with what little info their offer on their sensors [02:20:18] <UmbralRaptor> ITAR limitations? [02:24:59] <senraydesktop> Being a space geek has convinced me that, whatever ITAR is, it should be repealed [02:25:03] <Rolf> iplop: isnt there hacks to remome firmware limits? [02:41:16] <UmbralRaptor> ITAR feels especially silly once you notice what happened with ion and kerolox engines. [02:57:04] <iplop> Rolf: Those don't work anymore [02:57:16] <Rolf> oh too bad :( [02:57:24] <iplop> they were a thing for 1 firmware revision on 1 model thermal camera [02:57:31] <iplop> I wish I could get one of those [02:57:45] <iplop> that camera was amazing after being unlocked [02:59:16] <iplop> ITAR shouldn't be an issue for anything I'd need [03:00:02] <iplop> my understanding is that ITAR mostly only becomes an issue with fancier optics and higher framerates [03:00:57] <iplop> the limits imposed for thermal imaging cameras (so long as you don't leave the country with it) are pretty reasonable [03:05:08] <iplop> cooled optics definitely run afoul of ITAR :v [03:06:23] <iplop> using those and a bit of processing gets you a much increased effective imaging range (distance-wise) [03:07:10] <iplop> why you won't see passive thermal imaging on any cars.. ever^ [03:43:29] <Rolf> iplop: https://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Infrared-Thermal-Imaging-Camera-for-Cheap-Con/ ? [03:44:02] <Rolf> guy loves to start all words with caps. ugh [04:13:46] <Neal> I think it's interesting that I can get gps receivers without any ITAR limits imported from china of all places [04:23:13] <Neal> UmbralRaptor, what happened with ion engines? [05:13:06] <iplop> Rolf: haha, that trick can be fun for messing around with but it's absolutely useless for any sort of work [05:13:36] <Rolf> guess so its more near ir than actual ir anyway [05:13:50] <iplop> yup [05:14:01] <iplop> great for active night vision cameras though [05:14:15] <iplop> if you want to make a night time security camera out of a webcam [05:14:31] <iplop> you'll need to wire up an LED IR spotlight as well [05:14:39] <Rolf> depends on user case I guess. I always wanted a heat camers though but so expensive [05:15:16] <Rolf> I have seen near ir directly myself. used googles and filters. was interesting [05:15:17] <iplop> I honestly wouldn't bother unless you require it for work [05:15:35] <iplop> and those $200 thermal cameras are absolute garbage [05:15:38] <iplop> they're toys [05:15:43] <iplop> completely useless [05:16:40] <iplop> everything lower than the E6 from FLIR is also pretty much useless :/ [05:16:47] <Rolf> not sure if completely useless as can use for basic stuff like looking for heat leaks so on [05:17:00] <iplop> nope [05:17:06] <iplop> a SEEK isn't good enough even for that [05:17:30] <iplop> I mean, you may get some sort of idea where the issues are [05:17:45] <Rolf> not sure, no [05:18:42] <iplop> I got a SEEK camera a while back -figured I'd use it a bit like a boroscope for confined spaces [05:18:50] <iplop> nope, not useful :/ [05:19:09] <iplop> it took cool selfies [05:19:47] <Rolf> not enough detail? not enpugh range? [05:19:52] <iplop> I lent it to another department after giving up on it (they were going to use it for electronics repair) [05:20:12] <iplop> someone stole it after being fired --wasn't useful for electronics either [05:20:28] <iplop> not enough granular sensitivity [05:21:19] <Rolf> interesting [05:21:29] <iplop> also weird bleeding artifacts in the imaging -likely due to that cheaper thermal optics coating that's been making the rounds lately [05:22:37] <iplop> SEEK cameras just give muddy images :/ [05:23:39] <iplop> their marketing photos are pretty much B/S [05:24:02] <iplop> also, don't be fooled by FLIR brand marketing photos [05:25:05] <iplop> FLIR has a patent on mixing a traditional image sensor and thermal imaging sensor outputs together for high defined pictures [05:25:15] <iplop> that detail isn't very helpful [05:25:27] <Rolf> bleh. ok [05:26:15] <iplop> it actually makes it easier to see just how crappy their low end thermal imaging sensors (maybe artificially limited?) are [05:27:31] <iplop> I can vouch for this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Flir-B-Cam-Thermal-Imager/183300718505?hash=item2aad92ffa9:g:YREAAOSwWOxbOSdh [05:27:38] <iplop> was made before FLIR got crappy^ [05:45:15] <Rolf> nice. too bad its bit expensive [06:04:39] <oren> https://imgur.com/5g7jxuD [06:04:40] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/5g7jxuD.jpg [06:05:00] <oren> reusing the lower stage of the Bohemia V is getting more routine [06:08:37] <oren> it's a partial-reuse two-stage-to-orbit vertical rocket with a nominal payload of 40 tons [06:14:45] <Rolf> nice [06:36:27] <Althego> hah 1.5 in october [06:40:50] <Rolf> iplop: LOL after our chat about termal cameras.. I get this email for new youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i4uEbYzuYg [06:40:50] <kmath> YouTube - Thermal Cameras: Hot & Bothered [06:41:02] <Rolf> its pg dont worry [06:41:41] <Althego> lol thermal selfies [06:44:58] <Rolf> basically "btw im not sponsored by flir... nor big copper" [06:45:05] <Rolf> hes always funny [06:49:51] <iplop> eww [06:49:57] <iplop> flir one [06:50:30] <iplop> added to watch list :v [06:51:07] <iplop> thermal cameras is just a messed up market :/ [06:51:23] <Althego> why [06:51:24] <iplop> yes, the optics & sensors require a lot of expensive elements [06:51:45] <iplop> there just aren't enough manufacturers of thermal imaging sensors [06:51:58] <iplop> image processing is also super locked down by patents [06:52:19] <iplop> and then there's governmental regulations [06:52:41] <iplop> and issues with sourcing parts/manufacturing due to differing regulations between counties [06:53:06] <Rolf> m still waiting for termal camera phones to finally become junk [06:53:09] <iplop> the markets a bit inflated :/ [06:53:10] <Rolf> so I can buy one cheap [06:53:16] <Rolf> and not use it as phone [06:53:20] <iplop> CAT S60 phone [06:53:27] <iplop> has a thermal camera on it^ [06:53:32] <iplop> a crappy one [06:53:37] <iplop> but still a thermal camera [06:53:59] <Rolf> yah but once phone stats become way underpowered for current apps or whatever.,.. [06:54:04] <Rolf> value will go way down [06:54:33] <iplop> looks like it's ~$400 now [06:54:38] <iplop> for that phone [06:54:57] <Althego> it is still affordable [06:55:10] <Althego> compared to years ago when it was not [06:55:41] <iplop> therm-app seems to have the best offerings for the price atm [06:56:17] <iplop> but I'm apprehensive about thermal cameras as a phone accessory [06:56:21] <iplop> phones change quick [06:58:33] <iplop> too bad you can't really buy up old lab equipment cameras [06:58:48] <Althego> you can [06:58:51] <iplop> most of those fall under regulations :/ [06:59:01] <iplop> really? [06:59:03] <Althego> like thunderfoot bought that high speed cam for only a few thousand dollars :) [06:59:37] <iplop> Last I checked, there wasn't much available without licensing for old lab used thermal cameras [06:59:51] <Althego> maybe thermal cameras are different [07:00:14] <Althego> but what is this licencing? [07:00:31] <iplop> clearances? governmental permission? [07:00:38] <iplop> not sure what the correct term is [07:00:51] <iplop> they're treated as munitions [07:00:54] <Althego> what, you cant own them? [07:00:56] <Althego> ah [07:01:01] <iplop> not above a certain grade [07:01:10] <Althego> some regulation [07:01:40] <iplop> the US has predator drones with fancy optics [07:01:46] <Rolf> some odd regulations in usa, like can own tritium but cant buy em [07:01:50] <iplop> they don't want random people building similar things [07:02:38] <iplop> rolf: I'm pretty sure that's mostly supplier imposed (below a certain quantity) [07:03:52] <Althego> well, i can see some thermal cameras here for sale up to around... 10k dollars. those are probably quite high grade [07:04:08] <iplop> link? [07:04:19] <Althego> useless to you, hungarian site [07:04:23] <iplop> ah [07:04:52] <iplop> 10k actually doesn't get you much above "useful" for thermal cameras :v [07:05:04] <iplop> "high grade" = 40k+ [07:05:54] <Althego> those are already outside the reach of normal people [07:06:02] <iplop> lol, yup [07:06:09] <Althego> just because of the price [07:07:26] <iplop> 'high grade' thermal stuff isn't really obtainable outside of government/research [07:10:14] <iplop> which stinks becauseI've always wanted a thermal camera HUD for my car ;D [07:10:28] <iplop> would be great for driving at night [07:10:33] <iplop> to avoid deer, etc. [07:10:35] <Althego> i think there are cars with that [07:10:41] <iplop> nope [07:10:46] <iplop> that's active thermal [07:10:50] <iplop> near-ir [07:11:28] <iplop> it's a traditional camera sensor with no infrared filter & an IR optic on it [07:11:40] <Althego> this guy with the singing pipe... "i will find you, and i will kill you" [07:11:49] <Althego> worst than the drillers [07:11:50] <iplop> and it only sees what's washed with an IR spotlight [07:11:51] <Althego> worse [07:12:25] <Althego> so basically you cant get real thermal infrared cameras? [07:12:30] <iplop> you can [07:12:36] <iplop> below a certain grade [07:12:44] <Althego> resolution? [07:12:48] <iplop> that grade isn't useful for automotive use [07:13:35] <iplop> resolution, frame-rate, sensor size, type of optics, image processing, certain types of combined imaging [07:13:52] <iplop> all regulated in pretty much every country^ [07:14:30] <Althego> government... they not only steal your money but limit you with the power of same money [07:14:53] <Althego> but this gois into politics which is not allwoed [07:15:00] <iplop> any useful vehicle mounted FLIR camera would also require actively cooled optics for range [07:15:25] <Althego> i always wondered how these cheap devices work without cooling [07:15:35] <iplop> not well is the answer [07:15:39] <Althego> hehe [07:15:52] <iplop> or, rather: they're pretty range limited [07:16:00] <iplop> and accuracy takes a steep dive with range [07:17:14] <iplop> anyways, my bad for hijacking the channel :v [07:17:24] <Althego> nothing was happening anyway [07:17:30] <iplop> the camera I use at work is on its last leg [07:17:32] <Althego> it seems people are not excited for 1.5 [07:17:37] <Althego> i want those shiny models [07:17:43] <Althego> i hope even windows get some shine [07:17:58] <iplop> honestly, irc is dying O.o [07:18:13] <Althego> maybe [07:18:21] <Althego> it is still going to outlive facebook :) [07:18:29] <Rolf> irc will outlive humanity [07:18:29] <iplop> I idle in ~7 channels. Over the last number of years, they've all pretty much died [07:18:48] <Rolf> discord is taking a lot but they are still only one server [07:18:51] <Rolf> boom crash [07:19:00] <iplop> I definitely don't think irc is going away --it'll still have a place [07:19:16] <iplop> I just think things like discord are wayy more popular at the moment [07:19:45] <Althego> i guess discord is ok, i still not like how it looks [07:20:22] <iplop> it's a privacy nightmare :v [07:20:33] <iplop> but everything is these days [07:20:35] <Althego> what does it do? [07:20:53] <iplop> 'eh, it logs all communication forever who knows where [07:21:09] <Althego> hehe [07:21:30] <Althego> irc is not that much better. because all the people can log it [07:21:43] <iplop> very true [07:21:48] <iplop> I have logs goingback to 2002 [07:21:49] <Althego> or if not everybody on the channel is encrypted, it is still capturable [07:21:56] <Althego> from the outside [07:22:42] <iplop> but then, you could setup your own irc server without too much difficulty [07:23:18] <iplop> a third party host or registration isn't really required [07:23:44] <Althego> the main problem with irc is that new people are unable to use it [07:24:00] <Althego> many times a day you can see that somebody joins, nothing happens for 5 seconds, andthey quit [07:24:38] <iplop> I can definitely see it being confusing for first time users [07:25:03] <iplop> relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1782/ [07:25:16] <Althego> yes, this is what i expect [07:25:25] <Althego> i had this opinion long before this comic [07:26:03] <iplop> haha, I know someone who refuses to join the discord for a group [07:26:30] <iplop> he sits there in irc by himself with 3 other people (the 3 others are on discord as well) [07:26:38] <iplop> 2 other people* forgot that one is a bot [07:26:46] <Althego> hehe [07:26:55] <Rolf> https://imgur.com/a/MmbqO03 if curious if I ever played ksp lol [07:29:45] <iplop> https://i.imgur.com/FBDgO.png [07:29:59] <Althego> this is an old picture [07:30:07] <iplop> lol, yup [07:30:47] <Rolf> yeah been a bit since I last played sadly [07:30:54] <iplop> same [07:31:30] <Rolf> I love the crazy flag. [07:31:38] <iplop> I landed on everything, rescued all my stranded kerbals, and then just started seeing how fast I could send them outside the solar system [07:32:09] <Rolf> I landed on duna. well crash landed that left solar panel and computer working [07:32:45] <Rolf> rest of planets didnt count because I used cheat engine I made a while ago [07:35:22] <iplop> I only found out about the cheat modes after I mostly burnt out on ksp ;o [07:35:53] <Rolf> I didnt use any cheat codes [07:36:05] <Rolf> my engine was quite powerful and makes its own fuel [07:36:33] <iplop> oh, a modded part? [07:36:38] <Rolf> yeah [07:47:59] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyn2gOimRfM [07:47:59] <kmath> YouTube - Blue Origin BE-4 Engine Compilation [07:48:36] <Althego> huge [07:48:53] <Althego> but i think spacex is going to dominate the early game [07:49:04] <Althego> it may change later [07:49:37] <kubi> do the have the methane engine ready? [07:49:50] <kubi> or still burning korosene? [07:49:50] <Althego> neither of them have it ready [07:50:06] <Althego> but spacex is a bit ahead with it [07:50:25] <Althego> and they have lot of success already [07:50:36] <kubi> good [07:51:03] <kubi> when they are ready, there will be a lot of farmers selling cow poo :) [07:51:29] <Althego> hehe [07:51:55] <Althego> they just need to put the cows under a dome and collect the methane :) [07:52:24] <kubi> then after launch, the steak is ready too [08:00:33] <Althego> i didnt say the dome must be under the rocket [08:00:48] <kubi> it must be if you want a steak [08:12:45] <Eddi|zuHause> i read something a few days ago about an experimental propylene engine that they're ready to test on an orbital rocket [08:13:02] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know who "they" is [08:14:20] <Althego> i linked that :) [08:15:12] <Althego> company and rocket is called vector [08:15:56] <Althego> hehe, wreck it ralph 2 trailer with built in rickrolling [08:50:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:00:32] <Fluburtur> https://66.media.tumblr.com/bfc8ad9b0375726b63e7a3cc5f204eb9/tumblr_inline_p219amlo251r3qkvm_540.jpg [09:00:35] <Fluburtur> weird birb [10:05:07] <Rolf> https://gizmodo.com/as-dust-clears-nasa-spots-possibly-dead-opportunity-ro-1829326059 [10:05:33] <Althego> i thought by this time we should have heard from it [10:05:43] <Rolf> dust is just starting to clear out [10:05:45] <Althego> and the chances were good that it survives [10:05:57] <Rolf> so it might finally get enough sun to restart. or maybe not [10:06:13] <Althego> the issue is withthe dust on the panels [10:06:16] <Althego> probably lot [11:42:02] <APlayer> https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/opportunity.png [11:43:21] <Althego> who is stanislav petrov? [11:44:02] <Rolf> APlayer: lol [11:48:33] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov [11:48:44] <Althego> (because of the latest xkcd) [12:45:21] <oren> Sending a probe to Sarnus. [12:50:00] <oren> not entirely certain this will be big enough antennas, but whatver [12:58:42] <oren> sucess! my non-hohmann transfer will get to Sarnus in only 2 years [13:01:15] <Althego> next time i want a universe where it is easier to travel [13:02:25] <darsie> Second life [13:12:17] <oren> the sarnus probe is supplied with a poodle engine and 30 tons of fuel, most of which was used for the transfer to sarnus. it also has a nuclear reactor and ion engines for later corrections [13:16:46] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy yall [13:17:05] <BadRocketsCo> Could everyone assist me with EVE a bit? [13:32:38] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:40:50] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Deddly' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:56:31] <BadRocketsCo> Anyone on? [13:57:03] <APlayer> My computer is on, yes. :P [13:59:45] <BadRocketsCo> Hah, sweet [14:02:32] <BadRocketsCo> APlayer: Do you know anything about EVE? [14:03:11] <APlayer> What sort of thing are you looking for? [14:03:48] <BadRocketsCo> Trying to change cloud thickness, because I have clouds at ground level... [14:04:04] <BadRocketsCo> Although their height is set at 3k [14:04:29] <APlayer> I don't know a lot about it in that regard, but you may look for it in the topic. If there is no info on that there, I suggest you just make a post [14:04:52] Action: APlayer is AFK for a while, be back soon [14:06:24] <BadRocketsCo> Aight [14:53:40] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:05:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:08:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:35:58] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/495617965211910145/Screenshot17.png [15:59:37] <oren> https://imgur.com/Oe4NCKj [15:59:38] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/Oe4NCKj.png [16:00:29] <RoboFreak> it is always dark when the important moments come, especially during docking [16:03:21] <maltesh> Well, it's not like you're on a schedule. [16:07:55] <RoboFreak> hehe, i compared 6 minutes of terror with 7 minutes of terror. the years between those videos made some of the people in them visibly older [16:11:34] <oren> https://imgur.com/iFLkX7k recovery of booster for sarnus probe 2 [16:11:34] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/iFLkX7k.png [16:11:52] <oren> sending two with different designs just in case one fails [16:12:24] <Althego> hehe [16:26:52] <oren> https://imgur.com/1YuCq4H [16:26:53] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/1YuCq4H.png [17:10:25] <Tank2333> Hi somebody an expert with android here? [17:11:03] <Althego> no [17:11:08] <Althego> (i am your father) [17:11:20] <UmbralRaptor> blarg [17:13:10] <Tank2333> Anybody knows what this means https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BZJ0QdsQL6HnUb8lEQpGB5ziRP4ywfV3/view?usp=drivesdk [17:13:49] <Althego> installing? [17:13:51] <BPlayer> What's that? [17:13:53] <Tank2333> Its a tablet and its suddenly stuck in boot i think [17:14:05] <BPlayer> Tried recovery mode? [17:14:14] <Tank2333> No [17:15:37] <Tank2333> Hiw do i acces that? [17:16:16] <UmbralRaptor> depends on the model, but usually something like holding power and volume up while booting. [17:16:22] <Tank2333> Something is happening [17:16:28] <Tank2333> I can see light [17:16:30] <Althego> there is a whole boot menu [17:16:39] <BPlayer> ...at the end of the tunnel! [17:16:42] <Tank2333> Odd [17:16:45] <Azander> looks like android is updating itself from that image [17:16:58] <Azander> last time my tablet did that, it took nearly an hour! [17:17:36] <Tank2333> Yeah it booted now, would be nice if it would tell that it is updating.... [17:17:56] <Althego> it was that box and arrow coming out of it [17:18:02] <Althego> so new version installing [17:18:10] <Tank2333> Yeah its not my tablet im on a birthday party from my sister [17:19:13] <Tank2333> Well at least i can tell anybody how great i am with computer stuff and say i fix it [17:23:08] <BPlayer> Have fun at the party ;-) [17:24:46] <UmbralRaptor> ^ [17:32:47] <oren> https://imgur.com/RArvXI4 [17:32:47] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/RArvXI4.jpg [18:04:12] <Rokker> Fluburtur: https://youtu.be/mlk63J4W_Mo [18:04:12] <kmath> YouTube - September 27, 2018 [18:06:01] <Fluburtur> nice [18:06:13] <Althego> except it isnt flying [18:43:52] <Draconiator> I wonder if Discord is going to be the thing that finally kills off IRC... [18:45:09] <Althego> no [18:45:43] <JVFoxy> already knocked telegram away for some of the staff stuff we do over here [18:45:59] <Fluburtur> irc is forever [18:46:11] <Althego> forever alone :) [18:46:50] <UmbralRaptor> IRC at this point has outlasted AIM, ICQ, Gtalk, and some of the oddness built into G+. [18:47:00] <umaxtu> don't forget google wave [18:48:33] <Althego> myspace? [18:48:41] <umaxtu> google wave was the shit [18:48:45] <Althego> or in hungary iwi (which was another social site) [18:48:49] <Althego> *iwiw [18:54:32] <JVFoxy> Hm... [19:20:07] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+v eriophora' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:20:52] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:21:09] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375270551767482369/495674925890273281/IMG_0844.JPG [19:50:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [20:43:28] Action: darsie dropped another Kerbal out of Kerbin orbit. [20:51:57] <BPlayer> How did it reach the surface? In one piece, I hope? [20:58:52] <UmbralRaptop> Was it in 1 piece after landing? [21:02:34] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptor' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [21:05:14] <darsie> I slowed it down from 70.5 km with 3.1 EVA fuel, went horizontal at 1000 m and just for realism righted her at 100 m before splashdown. [21:05:45] <darsie> Impact hurt and she fell unconscious, but survived. [21:06:08] <UmbralRaptor> yay [21:06:54] <darsie> or maybe at 50 m. [21:07:51] <darsie> I miss Kerbal lift during skydiving. [21:10:13] <BPlayer> RUD: Rapid unplanned descent. [21:11:12] <darsie> It was very planned. I even waited till the contract showed up. [22:10:28] <Fluburtur> I think this dude has back problems https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/495716174990934017/20180929221250_1.jpg [22:12:05] <darsie> That's a weird rifle. [22:12:22] <Fluburtur> it's not a rifle, is a mg [22:12:39] <darsie> Are MGs rifled? [22:13:16] <Fluburtur> https://i.redd.it/lu7xd7i7wv011.jpg [22:21:31] <sandbox> https://twitter.com/Strippin/status/1046132564006658048 [22:21:32] <kmath> <Strippin> When a live active hornets nest threatens the BBQ sometimes you gotta just grab it and dive into the pool https://t.co/2J7sYfRmms [22:23:21] <Rolf> dont do that for bees they will wait and laugh at you [22:24:36] <Rolf> wasps either [22:40:12] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net