[01:50:09] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:19:16] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [08:19:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o UmbralRaptop' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [08:50:20] hmm, i guess hiding quit/join spam on this channel wouldn't be such a bad idea [08:55:39] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [09:27:48] Ezko: doesn't hid op status, though :/ [09:30:21] Action: UmbralRaptop needs to look into bouncers. Though given my home internet situation& [09:43:07] if i didn't have server access i'd run irssi on a raspberry pi or something [09:45:26] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [10:59:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:59:50] TheKosmonaut: btw what should I do if I want to use a grounded device like seven meters from the only gnd screw terminal in my apartment [11:00:55] why do we still use plugs and outlets designed in a time where nobody gave a damn about electrocuting you and burning your house down [11:16:30] well tbh it's kinda usual to have outlets without grounding wire attached [11:16:50] in what world do people still have outlets without ground? [11:17:13] i don't think i have even seen those in my entire life [11:56:06] A lot of old houses (pre 1970) do [11:58:00] that's an interesting definition of old house [11:58:12] my house was built in 1760something, what does that make it :p [12:05:54] VanDisaster, an old hovel? :D [12:12:20] bit older than usa [12:13:15] I work in a building that they had to add electricity to after it was built (by decades) and even that still has many non-grounded outlets (which are getting replaced slowly as we use them for things beyond simple lighting) [12:21:35] VanDisaster: where do you live [12:21:48] southwest UK [12:21:53] ah [12:22:05] oldest building in the city i live in is from 1755 or so [12:22:58] some of the farmhouses around here are a few lifetimes older than this building [12:24:06] the oldest building in my city is ~1130 [12:28:36] the local city has a few roman walls left, the buildings aren't *quite* that old :p [12:37:46] https://pr0gramm.com/new/2802467 nice anti-lag sound [12:38:58] people in north america didn't do a lot building before the whites invaded did they? [12:40:05] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_St._Lawrence,_Vantaa guess this is the oldest building within like 20km from where i live [12:45:54] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exeter the nearest city [12:55:43] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [13:28:43] I don't actually know when my place was built but I'd assume 5-10 years ago [13:29:22] the building neither seems to be aging nor built to last very long [13:30:10] hehe [13:31:40] like heck, the windows stick outwards to give an illusion of wall thickness from the inside [13:33:13] they're also single pane non insulated [13:33:30] that's terrible, you might as well choke some birds to death by hand [13:34:39] it is however unreasonably large [13:35:32] both the window and the entire apartment [13:59:41] here newer buildings have thicker walls [14:00:31] like my previous apartment had windows with like 15 cm windosill on the inside, triple glass window and another probably 7-8 cm windowsill on the outside [14:01:14] that was built in 2013, my current apartment is from 2005 i think and no massive windowsill on the inside [14:13:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:10:51] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [15:20:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:20:15] I live in a grade 2 listed building, can't do *anything* to the windows here [15:28:22] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gpqA127d/20181030_111533.jpg [15:50:14] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o APlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:27:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [16:27:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [16:30:02] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HVqSctqb/20181030_111533.jpg [17:23:38] apparently there is a trumpet teacher in my town so I could try to see if I can try it [17:27:47] trumpette, is it like bowsette? :) [17:28:01] idk, I don't care for nintendo stuff really [17:28:15] just a throwaway pun [17:29:12] i hate that the materials bay is so big [17:29:52] and even if you try to hide it from the direct stream, it can blow up because apparently the things in front of it dont deflect air enough [17:30:13] oh wow anti vax are incredibly dumb https://66.media.tumblr.com/2174ca3accff857c58e489ca5c984ecb/tumblr_pe86kcnjmX1qm0cig_640.jpg [17:30:43] this cant be true [17:32:22] Blood is diamagnetic. [17:44:51] not that. nobody can be this stupid [17:47:34] yes, they can [17:49:47] I still rather think it's fake. [17:50:41] I hope so [18:21:00] scott [18:43:11] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|ktns' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [18:51:25] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o BPlayer' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [19:27:19] Fluburtur: ... out! [19:27:37] it's fake, someone on the internet told me that once [19:34:19] fake news, fake cgi? [19:36:57] fake life? [19:37:14] reality is unrealistic trope [19:40:14] ЁЯТА https://twitter.com/nadiamdrake/status/1057347211586035712 [19:40:14] "NASAs original planet hunter, the Kepler space telescope, has run out of fuel. This is not unexpected, and this m& https://t.co/8kMT95WfWo [19:40:53] it's dead, jim [19:42:38] Awww [19:43:10] Let's all take a moment to appreciate all the things this mission gave us. All the more reasons for JWT [19:43:41] what did it give us tho? [19:43:57] Let me get you that gallery of pictures [19:44:04] >3000 exoplanets [19:44:11] they weren't there before?! [19:44:14] BPlayer: uh. [19:44:25] no, they spawned when we observed them, obviously [19:44:42] that also explains why the earth is only 12000 years old [19:44:47] We did not know where they were until we observed them, and now we don't know how fast they move [19:44:55] i wonder if we'll ever find a way to get to those planets [19:45:11] falalilal: we knew about a few hundred before. We have a much better understanding of planets especially within 1 au of their stars now. [19:45:18] how long ago are we seeing them tho? [19:45:27] Also astroseismology [19:45:41] a few hundred years tops [19:46:06] Kepler planets are generally a few hundred ly away, but a few might be >1000 [19:46:39] in astronomic timeframes, that's basically yesterday [19:47:12] if it was just a few seconds after midnight [19:47:29] i'm literally sitting here right now and somehow getting annoyed at the fact that we haven't found other intelligent life yet [19:47:54] don't read up on fermi's paradox then [19:47:56] c'mon scientists, get on with it! [19:48:40] Humm, I can't find that gallery [19:49:01] There were those APOD images with the best discoveries of, I believe, Kepler [19:49:20] Or was that a different observatory they nominated this way? [19:49:23] Intermittent reminder that Earth's strongest radio signals were Soviet ballistic missile early warning radars. [19:50:00] everything is bigger in russia [19:50:17] Russia is bigger, so everything in Russia is bigger too :P [19:50:17] so why not radio as well [19:50:33] its a tragedy that the Americans tricked Osama into fighting communism for them [19:50:37] There is a certain beauty to it, though. [19:50:38] communism should have won [19:50:48] politics [19:50:51] falalilal, please avoid political discussion, though [19:51:03] & Why does Bennu look like a less cratered Ryugu? https://twitter.com/DSLauretta/status/1057349491567652864 [19:51:03] Bennu first look! - Bennu is in our sights and the asteroid surface features are starting to come into focus! The t& https://t.co/TMFX51Y1BJ [19:51:29] UmbralRaptop: Perhaps they are siblings and Bennu is younger? :P [19:51:35] hehe looks like tha same diamond shape [19:51:49] i somehow always read "Ryukyu" first... [19:52:19] Action: UmbralRaptop pastes a diacritic onto Eddi|zuHause [19:52:49] Somehow, Bennu reminds me of Minmus [19:52:55] пп [19:53:00] Perhaps it's lime green? [19:54:19] https://i.redd.it/3pa9y9g2uvu11.gif [19:54:38] crazy to think that's a comet [19:54:45] it looks like a 50s movie [19:54:52] Good thing you are not stuck on it. :P [19:55:25] don't you mean 20s movie? [19:55:57] Nah, not a 20s movie. Charlie Chaplin is missing [19:56:45] but they had sound in 50s movies [19:57:09] also, they figured out proper fps [19:57:33] btw 1.6 is coming [19:57:41] winter is coming? [19:57:46] i'm still on 1.4 [19:57:47] could be more correct to call it 1.4.7 or something [19:58:21] they could be going the java route and call it 6.0 [19:58:28] hehe [19:58:40] or the chrome way and call it 60 :) [19:58:43] KSP 6.1, AKA KSP Vista [19:59:06] 1.5 is so minor it doesnt even have a trailer [19:59:07] Whoops, no, 6.0 would be Vista [19:59:18] 6.1 would be KSP 7 :P [19:59:59] BPlayer: that's still not as bad as windows 10 having two different counting systems, and both are used to communicate to the user [20:00:09] hehe [20:00:45] That's what happens when a program grows organically [20:01:44] i haven't used Windows in years [20:01:54] but I guess I shouldn't mention the communist Linux LOL [20:02:27] Discussing OSes is fine as long as it doesn't turn religious. [20:02:47] Vi is best tho [20:03:03] lol [20:03:07] https://xkcd.com/378/ [20:03:18] obviously [20:03:38] I mean: vi plays nice with files hundreds of MB in size, and runs on everything& [20:03:38] my internet is somewhat unstable lately [20:04:15] i've had lots of "stupid" editors that always try to load the full file into memory first [20:04:18] Action: UmbralRaptop remembers having so much trouble with Python packages on an iMac that installing Debian on an ancient laptop was an easier way of doing limited number crunching and generating plots. [20:04:37] hundreds of megabytes alreadt fit in the memory :) [20:04:42] Trouble with an iMac... INCONCIVEABLE [20:05:17] as long as you keep it in an atmosphere without water, preferable in a vacuum [20:05:22] oh wait, no cooling then [20:05:29] It's what I was issued for work porpoises [20:05:37] (the iMac) [20:05:48] Also, lol [20:06:15] Warranty void if you touch the keyboard or look at the screen [20:06:22] hehe [20:06:41] pp bus g3 hot [20:06:59] Main B bus overheat :P [20:06:59] Bonus: "fun" that involved using IRAF and DS9. [20:07:16] undervolt [20:07:20] Undervolt in main bus B [20:07:25] if you mean apollo 13 [20:07:54] pp bus g3 hot is the typical power line in a mac that fails [20:07:56] I mean Apollo 13 fitted to your pp bus g3 hot comment [20:07:56] oh wait, no cooling then <-- you can have cooling in vacuum (by radiation) [20:07:59] because of reasons [20:08:14] yes you can have, but normal computers are not designed for that [20:08:21] neither for zero g [20:08:32] so they would overheat in space [20:08:37] Sure, the hard drive disk starts floating in zero g :P [20:08:53] i don't think there's much of an issue with zero g [20:09:04] The LCD spills [20:09:05] i mean, they have random consumer laptops on the ISS [20:09:24] Action: BPlayer stops talking trash :P [20:09:30] Computers have fans. They don't rely on gravity assisted convection. [20:09:33] anything you can use upside down you can also use in zero g [20:09:43] Well, there are some passive coolers, too. [20:09:49] hey now... i love that speak about making my PPBus G3hot. [20:09:59] Eddi: Not quite. Convection might be an issue, but mostly they have fans [20:10:00] heat sinks* [20:10:12] Heat rises, though [20:10:12] there is an issue with zero g, there is no thermal convection, because there is no up [20:10:14] :P [20:10:15] same for flames too [20:10:43] just means you need some other way to induce some draft [20:10:52] like a fan [20:10:55] somewhere [20:10:57] anywhere [20:11:07] Let's build a computrifuge! [20:11:33] Well.. could use LEDs in 0g... they don't produce heat [20:11:34] computerfrugal forces? [20:11:44] everything creates heat. [20:11:55] entropy must always increase to the maximum. [20:12:09] Entropy may increase in processes that consume heat [20:12:39] It's rather rare, but it happens [20:12:50] did you mean decrease? [20:13:04] tell that to the people who install LEDs in stoplights and when snow covers them up [20:13:34] LEDs in stoplights are heatsinked way more than the heat they produce. [20:13:44] JVFoxy: There are heatable stoplights for that. [20:14:12] may as well just go back to regular bulbs [20:14:28] they figured, installing LED would save on power... ya till winter rolls over [20:14:31] running a heater for a portion of the year is still cheaper. [20:15:01] do what they do with Voyager, install radio isotopes.. radiation gives off heat. no power needed [20:15:08] incandescendents are only 5% efficent for light output. [20:15:20] yes, laughable [20:15:22] tell that to the people who install LEDs in stoplights and when snow covers them up <-- just because they produce 1/10 of the heat doesn't mean they produce "no" heat [20:15:30] Can also use radioisotopes to make the lights light up :P [20:15:36] they produce no USABLE heat. [20:15:47] just install radon in everything, ez. [20:15:51] I just saying, everyone seems to think LED's are heatless... you should see the heatsinks on some massively big LEDs [20:15:58] hehe [20:16:05] on really bright power leds [20:16:17] the most of the thing is the heatsink [20:16:19] leds is weird on heat, it emits light one side and other side gets heat [20:16:27] they figured, installing LED would save on power... ya till winter rolls over <-- it's only "winter" for a few days each years, difference is you can turn off the heating on the other days [20:16:27] was at a homeshow... some of the LED lighting systems they use for pools, a good portion of a KG is just a metal block with fins [20:17:25] find it funny, some places that have soda vending machines where it gets really cold in winter, they use regular bulbs to keep the soda from freezing up [20:17:42] hehe [20:18:35] in any case... [20:19:24] Last time I stayed for a night in a hut in Sweden, there was no heating. We put a pack of milk in the fridge overnight, had to get up at 4 in the morning, and we had 6░C inside of the hut. The milk froze, we had to drop solid chunks of it into the cup [20:19:28] Also LEDs last much longer than incandescents. That saves a lot of money/work. [20:19:31] ya I don't get much of a winter where I live.. just lots of rain these days. Power by hydro dams... [20:20:18] just careful what LEDs you guy.. sometimes the soldering connections aren't always teh best [20:20:23] i have easier solution, i dont drink milk :) [20:20:25] incandescents last a few thousand hours, even high intensity LEDs can last more than 10x that, even approaching 100,000 hours. [20:20:26] ... what LEDs you buy [20:21:18] fire station has a bulb still going after decades, but thats only because its a low power, low pressure [20:21:56] I bought tiny smd LEDs, 5 mm white/violet, high power white/365 nm UV, ... [20:22:05] think we expect a lot out of things we make these days... most of it doesn't last as a result [20:22:19] Are those like those old pyramid-scheme bulbs? iirc Amway or something... they were repackaging 220v bulbs as long-life 120v bulbs. [20:22:25] they also suspect that bulb lasted so long due to lucky factor plus that that light basically never gets turned off [20:22:56] rolf thermal shock is a thing in bulbs.. [20:23:21] yep [20:23:23] room temp to several hundred degrees in a split second [20:24:06] several thousand degrees you mean. [20:24:12] that tungsten gets kinda hot [20:24:17] white hot, as it happens [20:24:29] you're literally getting blackbody radiation. [20:24:36] 2300 K? [20:24:40] k. [20:24:50] there are old old gas engines that still survive, even run.. can even put them on cooking oil.. but nope... don't want them, they pollute too much. They'd rather just buy out lithium mines, metal shops, spend billions on making electric cars, have to replace batteries every 5 years [20:24:57] halogen maybe 3000 K [20:25:26] don't remember how hot they get... they were going to make 100w bulbs illegal here [20:25:39] then start pushing down to 60w.. 40w... [20:26:04] LED are cheaper anyways, in the long term. [20:26:22] they started finding flouro bulbs were causing too much UV [20:26:30] here we can buy 40w ones, I think they dont plan to make that one illegal, as there is couple uses that cannot use led period [20:26:31] eu did stop production of 100w and even lower incandescents [20:26:33] or the fact that they contain mercury [20:26:42] actually a good thing, we dont need the heat from them most of the time [20:26:42] mercury is kinda bad[citation needed] [20:26:53] incandescents last a few thousand hours, even high intensity LEDs can last more than 10x that, even approaching 100,000 hours. <-- i had to go out and buy 4x2м halogen bulbs every half year or so, until i swapped them with LEDs some 5 years back [20:27:00] haven't had a problem since then [20:27:10] Citation: Karen Wetterhan [20:27:24] hahn [20:27:30] cock [20:27:46] the only place i use halogen bulbs, the stove hood for light intensity while cooking, and one of those halogen replacement bulbs that gives me more light output without pulling too much amperage. [20:27:56] everything else is LED. [20:28:00] how did Hahn/cock get so many different meanings? [20:28:13] exactly. oven lights just cant be led [20:28:14] as any other word [20:28:25] led need to radate away heat, and oven pumps heat in [20:28:26] (LED and fleuroescents' circuitry isn't good in damp locations) [20:28:28] there are lights in ovens? [20:28:34] sigh.. was ads going around over here, trying to get people to not use AC units.. open your windows, use fans. Don't drive.. ect. Times I wonder this whole energy saving craze gets a little out of hand [20:28:37] yes. [20:28:44] LEDs make much sense in bicycle lighting. [20:29:12] JVFoxy: it's both getting out of hands and isn't nearly enough at the same time [20:29:14] bicycle repair man! [20:29:18] would love to get one of them bike generators from the old days. Make wind generator [20:29:35] how would that be any better? [20:29:39] JVFoxy: AC have two problems, it uses lot of power, AND it can leak gas that damages ozone layer [20:29:42] it generates drag as you go [20:29:50] JVFoxy: Fans wouldn't turn fast enough. [20:29:54] so you have to put in energy to drive it [20:29:56] Althego not for a bike [20:30:26] acs are not using ozone layer damaging working fluid anymore [20:30:28] for daced [20:30:32] JVFoxy: you mean those generators that generate 2W of power? [20:30:46] but the replacement is a greenhouse gas :) [20:30:47] Action: UmbralRaptop isn't sure how open windows help on those 32+ C days, but okay [20:30:48] JVFoxy: what kind of thing do you want to drive with that? [20:30:57] actually the ozone layr almost completely fixed itself [20:30:58] 2w is plenty for small led lights [20:31:03] R134a (iirc) has been out for decades [20:31:04] 3W [20:31:10] Althego: yeah and we'd like to keep it fixed [20:31:12] I use fans... despite room mate giving me grief for not getting an AC [20:31:21] i had a 1998 chevy lumina that uses R134 and not freon. [20:31:21] Rolf: yeah, bikes are much brighter nowadays than they were 20 years ago [20:31:50] Eddi|zuHause just to mess around with. My camper could run on 2 watts for lighting if I replaced the 4 bulbs with LED [20:32:00] Eddi|zuHause: I wish thats true here also. I almost tagged darktards 2 times in road. black clothes, dark bicycle. [20:32:02] my new bike is just as stupid as my old one [20:32:09] hehe [20:32:15] darktards [20:32:20] zero lights [20:32:27] actually the ozone layr almost completely fixed itself <-- uhm, there are signs of the ozone layer regenerating, but i wouldn't call that "completely fixed" [20:32:44] Around here, if you want AC for the summer... with the costs of heating in the winter... your energy bill for natural gas + electric would be $300+ per month... if you don't have AC here, it drops to like $40/mo in the summer. [20:32:49] Althego: thats what they call people that has no lighting in burning man. I never went, but loved that word. [20:33:05] also, they found a new (probably chinese) source of ozone-layer-eating chemicals [20:33:07] its super super dark there so its good idea to have lighting [20:33:33] one time i was in stolberg and was walking to the office from the hotel in the morning. it was winter so it was fairly dark, and i realized i had completely black clothing on by accident [20:33:41] you can power a few watts of LEDS for a LOOOONG time off of even a motorcycle battery. [20:33:45] power company over here been trying to push for stupidly high rates for years... already getting carbon taxed through the roof on fuels. Government says they want ot use it for things, but no one knows where that money is actually going [20:34:06] hehe, typical government [20:34:21] already paying highest prices on gas of north america [20:34:31] well.. other than Churchill [20:34:32] If usage is blank, its rich cronies bank accounts. [20:34:33] naa... more like typical private utility companies. [20:34:57] Churchill only because rail line got washed out, having to fly everything in till rails fixed. Been out more than 16 months [20:35:09] JVFoxy: a few years ago there was huge outrage in america about fuel costing "4$ per gallon"... i ran those numbers through a calculator, and fuel around here was twice that [20:35:35] average transit time in usa is twice yours also [20:35:38] or more [20:35:38] I've seen $1.64/L here... [20:35:39] i'm still pissed that they removed commuter rail service around here like 40 years before i was born. [20:35:51] I know europe has it far far worse... something liek 2.50/L? [20:35:55] Eddi|zuHause: You live in a country with a transit system, though [20:36:10] yes usa has really low fuel prices [20:36:17] transit system here too.. but too much in-fighting [20:36:25] here mre than half of it is taxes and stuff [20:36:31] im lucky, drive time, when no traffic, is 12 minutes. most of coworkers transit time daily is hour long. there was one that was 4 hours long (he brings camper and lives at site for working weekend) [20:36:31] most of the larger cities in the united states actually had good transit systems before the auto companies kinda shoved them out. [20:36:41] yep [20:36:52] detroit had trams. [20:36:55] Rolf cool.. I'd be doing that too if I wasn't being bounced around different sites [20:37:08] Skytrain here [20:37:09] well, fuel prices were actually pretty low the beginning of this year. until trump rallied up against iran again [20:37:11] and around here we had commuter rail to the nearest 4 cities. [20:37:23] JVFoxy: ehh not really great, he had no power in his camper [20:37:45] all this may be interesting, but i really need to sleep. why is it that you people start to talk when i want to go to bed [20:37:46] he evenually got another closer job [20:37:50] lol [20:38:01] they want to expand through my city's area (finally we get some attention this side of the river) but can't decide if regular skytrain or LRT.. [20:38:08] most of the larger cities in the united states actually had good transit systems before the auto companies kinda shoved them out. <-- it's a bit more complicated than that. many tram systems were run by people trying to cash in on land development deals and were never meant to run on a profit themselves [20:38:16] they're talking about lightbulbs tho lol [20:38:21] so after the land was sold, no maintenance was put in [20:38:42] and they were totally run down by the time "the car companies killed them" [20:39:00] Rolf not having power not really a big deal for camper. There are ways to remedy it, costs a bit though. Solar panel, controller, battery.. got one myself. [20:39:16] well, being in michigan... the car companies almost directly stopped them. [20:40:17] tram systems were shut down all over the world, even in places where the car companies had less direct control over them [20:40:17] while browsing library DVDs: "What killed the Electric Car?" next to "Revenge of the Electric Car"... hmm... [20:40:48] the king is dead, long live the king? [20:40:59] Our area had urban electric trams that went way out... Skytrain actually runs along a good portion of the old line [20:41:00] what killed electric car? batteries. [20:41:15] hopefully there will be huge breakthough on power storage [20:41:43] tram systems mostly held up in eastern europe, because it was not easy to get proper replacement [20:42:03] (by those standards, i live in eastern europe) [20:42:06] not a huge breakthrough, unless you don't look for a while. it always has been a series of incremental changes. [20:42:09] Rolf company that made the EV1 electric car decided it wasn't worth the money to invest in the technology. Cars were only leased out to people, then recalled and destroyed. One or two were saved but only after the company had gone in and destroyed the power controller system [20:42:57] Rolf: what happened to hydrogen fuel cells? [20:43:16] its not great. hydrogen is most diffult gas to store [20:43:22] still being developed.. a couple of companies out here still working on them. Even been testing buses on them [20:43:34] the costs associated with storage and transfer of hydrogen makes them about the same as battery electric cars. [20:43:48] and explosive as additional fun [20:43:58] https://youtu.be/rppuoZ198B8 [20:43:58] YouTube - Heavy Hoempa - Ace of Spades [20:44:00] no worse than having propane [20:44:02] pressurized gas cars is interesting but limited range [20:44:06] though hydrogen is safer than propane [20:44:20] hydrogen when escaping, goes up into the air... propane pools below. [20:44:55] except that hydrogen needs to either be cryogenic, or pressurized to thousands of PSI. [20:45:03] pressurized gas cars is interesting but limited range <-- in the old days there were "fireless steam engines" [20:45:20] in the old days, there were flywheel driven busses. [20:45:25] they were filled up with hot gas every now and then, and ran on that [20:45:30] I was talking to a friend about what became of steam cars... there was one late model, 5 minutes to warm up steam generator, as opposed to half hour for boiler system. nearly same fuel enconomy as gas [20:45:54] he said, at one point, people thought steam system was too dangerous. Then added, like having a tank of fuel under your seat was any better [20:45:59] but muh low RPM power. [20:46:18] steam had massive amounts of torque... super quiet [20:46:22] it's so weird how even 100 years ago seems like an entirely different world in terms of technology [20:46:31] you can get torque anywhere, the power is what matters. [20:46:37] low RPM power is where it's at. [20:47:08] Jay leno had his car running on the highway, said it felt like it drove very happily there [20:47:31] cars don't feel emotions tho [20:47:39] even joked about the funny faces people made when they drove by, didn't hear a thing.. wasn't electric, just tiny bit of steam off the back [20:48:12] Eddi|zuHause: interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car if youre interesting on reading more current version [20:48:42] falalilal Some of the older steam cars, using boilers, would run out of pressure on the highway. Had to stop, let things build up again after a while. The generator car would go, actually ran better when it was kept going. [20:49:47] Rolf flower market in China I think uses a fleet of air powered cart type cars [20:49:49] why didn't they just hook up a steam pump to one of the wheels to pump more steam in? [20:50:34] why don't they put a fan next to wind plants to get more wind power? [20:50:54] turn the whold world into a generator wheel [20:51:18] my research station has weird shadow on it [20:51:24] the better question is... why don't they use a gravity feed for that 60 tonne genset to store power for peak times on off-peak wind conditions [20:51:24] there are tidal power plants [20:51:46] KrazyKrl like hydro dam? [20:52:10] oh, sorry. my suggestion was actually resonable :p [20:52:55] i wonder if they used tital power generators on a large scale, the days would actually get noticeably longer [20:53:05] using power to force feed something to store power... then to use that power to feed the grid... might be better to just generator power when needed. Rather than dealing with double losses [20:53:19] and then they have discussions about "but the days have been getting longer in the past" [20:53:29] lol [20:53:43] wave generators... [20:53:54] *tidal [20:54:07] lots of ways to produce power [20:54:16] Just take one of those silly water-main turbines... and stick them in the sewage lines. ezmoney. [20:54:46] KrazyKrl: you can do that in cities skylines :) [20:54:58] KrazyKrl don't knock it... one village out here already uses heat from sewage to heat homes. Said sewage from 3-4 homes can heat one place [20:55:20] JVFoxy: but that's "biogas" [20:55:38] JVFoxy: not "use the kinetic energy of flushing toilets" [20:55:39] i mean... it's actually cheaper to run a heat pump out of your basement air to heat your water, than it is to actually burn fuel or use electricity. [20:56:03] technically the could biogas but thermal energy.. take a hot shower... system extracts the heat from the water [20:56:27] just line all consumer sewage lines with thermocouples? [20:56:31] wish the poor kerbals luck, i'm about to send them into an impromptu solar journey - they might starve if I can't get back in time. [20:56:50] Just land them on the sun. [20:56:59] take a surface sample. [20:57:11] there is a place I worked on, they took it further. Coiled copper pipes around some of the drain pipes.. when you took a shower, the heat of the water going down, pre-heated the water going to the heater [20:57:51] i mean... concrete plants use preheaters to save like 90% of the costs of heating the clinker. [20:58:17] preheaters are totally not a new invention [21:00:46]