[00:40:01] done, IF(SHIP:RADAR>15){GEAR OFF.} [00:41:11] well that's throwing an error, heh. [00:48:03] doc says vessel has all the stuff that the old ALT suffix has, but it clearly doesn't, just used ALT [02:39:25] Next project - making a tiny terrarium with a small (40ml) bottle [03:29:00] Spartan V has inserted to Eve orbit, set up for an encounter with Gilly, and first surveyor probe has detached and finished its mission of surveying Eve :) [03:29:06] second probe will insert over Gilly [03:29:32] and the main probe will stay in its main orbit over Eve to act as a relay [04:04:25] Gilly surveyor didn't make it :P [04:04:44] I'll just have to knock that contract out on the next mission out [04:46:15] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Distractedman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [05:45:16] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Dman979' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:20:32] hehe wolfie6020 video. camera drone controller is in a yellow box, labelled: nasa field kit 47x agent 47 wolfie [07:20:56] controller has poerty of nasa label [07:20:58] lol [07:21:21] it talks lol [07:21:41] flat earth debunking mode off :) [07:22:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJ65yriCSU [07:22:30] YouTube - Flat Earth - bits and pieces & Happy New Year to all. [07:29:57] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o purpletarget|zzzz' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [07:32:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9cW34Aafg [07:32:44] YouTube - Spaghetti in a sweater [09:33:01] f [09:33:08] Althego: flying monster in a sweater? [09:39:42] no, the name of the sake is spaghetti [09:47:36] Wow, I just found Stratzenblitz75 from the youtubes... brilliantness. [09:50:29] i remember his island monorail [09:53:21] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee59XkEufjA this pretty much blew my mind to bits [09:53:22] YouTube - KSP - Duna and back using ONLY electric power and Xenon! [10:04:29] yes that has been in youtube recommendation for months now [10:04:47] ok, around 1.5 month [11:50:07] hah found new anti flat earther on youtube [11:51:41] lol. go get him! [11:51:55] or her. or it. or them. [11:52:08] whatever get means in current context [11:52:15] must be the most overloaded english word [11:52:27] or maybe do [12:41:55] hello guys [12:45:41] i'll post a screenshot of an issue i'm getting and don't know how to fix [12:55:12] just wait until somebody replies [12:55:29] i mean dont quit becqause you dont get an anser in 5 seconds [13:01:08] https://redd.it/7n8bfs [13:01:23] sorry, had to do screenshot upload to reddit etc [13:01:38] this is my image and problem. cannot overcome it so far [13:02:54] roverdude used to hang out here [13:05:23] oh cool shame i never got to meet him [13:05:46] there is a modders channel [13:06:07] #kspmodding [13:06:21] all the posts relating to Karibou rover seem to stop at 2015 yikes, it might be a mod that doesn't get worked on anymore [13:06:29] oh thanks i'll check that out [13:06:32] might be there. but considering it is last day of the year probably not well populated [13:06:42] yeah [13:06:55] karibou? MKS? roverdude hasn't been seen outside the forums for some time [13:11:01] i thought he started working for squad [13:11:13] but that was a long time ago maybe [13:11:29] he did, a few years back [13:12:01] back when taniwha did too [13:12:08] but since the mass exodus of last year, he's been a lot less frequent on IRC [13:12:24] ah yep, i havent been around in 2 years so that sounds about right [13:12:25] (I was part of the exodus, he was not) [13:12:56] Oneiros: in that case, you would have missed me being part of squad, too [13:13:23] oh. it sounds like some drama happened or something. i wrote "kerbalstuff" on a forum post and it got censored lol [13:13:30] the latest rover i can find is from 2016 so i think i cannot use the Karibou's anymore. - hurts inside [13:13:38] oh thats cool [13:16:58] you guys did some great work with this game [13:17:04] nick1: that's odd, his last post is friday so maybe your search is off [13:17:21] https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154587-13-modular-kolonization-system-mks/&do=findComment&comment=3255236 [13:21:55] good to see he is still about. thanks for that [13:22:44] i came across a lot of stuff in the agencies .cfg that showed some thinking along strategic lines [13:23:03] like rival/competing agencies or something like that. not sure how old it is though [13:24:44] do you know how i can message him directly on Reddit? [13:24:57] i mean ksp forums sorry [13:25:06] should be able to [13:29:45] Heh, just found out I can stream games from my desktop onto my netbook using Steam [13:42:04] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft#/media/File:Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG [13:44:04] old [14:33:01] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Independence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Pathfinder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Inspiration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_America [14:33:31] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft_interior_bulkhead.jpg [14:34:01] lol spider [14:34:10] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft_passenger_section.jpg [14:34:31] I've never been inside a 747 and probably never will be. [14:35:03] airbus is more common here [15:29:43] joke for old people https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26001429_1429335257172897_8116616398295602160_n.jpg?oh=61c63f33b3257854639c63ed469404c7&oe=5AB7F5A7 [15:31:36] old people.. DOS is still in use [15:33:02] most young people wouldnt know what autoexec.bat is. just as they havent seen a floppy drive, or dont know what the relationship between casettes and pencils [15:33:07] is [15:33:49] Althego: floppy drive? You mean the save button in Word? [15:35:32] that is a floppy disk [15:35:46] they might have seen that just as part of computer history [15:59:30] yeah, I remember seeing somewhere a floppy disk being shown to a youngster and he said wow, someone 3D-printed a physical version of the save icon :-) [16:05:19] that joke is as old as the first 3d printer... [16:21:07] well I still chuckled the first time I saw it [16:21:14] OK I'm OLD! :D [16:30:28] i saw running computer older than me, designed in the 60s [16:31:05] I've used one older than me. [16:31:14] punch cards and all [16:31:20] now that is really rare [16:31:34] was it run for fun? [16:31:50] nope, part of my computer science major [16:31:59] mine was in actually running company code [16:32:13] LOL [16:32:24] 3D printed the save icon. thats a good one [16:32:44] remember the floppy desk? [16:33:13] project was to write a fortran program, to extract data from a file (format specified) and output a report based on 7 fields of that data. We had 1K of ram to work in, so code had to be optimised. [16:33:15] Our school only had 086 machines when I was a wee kid. [16:33:27] https://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/floppy-disk-table/ [16:33:28] The teacher had a 286 [16:33:55] 8", 5.25", and 3.5" floppies. Still have some of them in storage. [16:34:32] Still have the punch cards somehwere too [16:34:54] I only have 5.25 ones in my C64, 3.5 ones in my Amiga and Atari, 8" was before my time. [16:36:02] had a "mini" computer in high school that had dual 8" floppies. My Senior year we finaly received a hard drive. all 10 Meg of it. [16:36:40] hehehe [16:37:53] Match/computer teacher was the brother of the electronics teacher. They both likes building electronic things, and the SWTPC Mini computer was hand built from a kits, had 6 trerminals, the hard drive and dual floppies in 1986 [16:37:57] *Math [16:38:38] Each 'card' had to be hand made at the time. Even the processor was on a card. [16:38:54] that is cool [16:39:13] Unix System 5 [16:39:29] and system 5 ssysems are still runnin [16:39:37] yep [16:39:50] saw several aix and powermaxos. aix is way better [16:39:54] Teacher even had teh System 4 Disks, but had upgraded to teh System5 [16:40:06] yep, system 5 is from the 70s alright. [16:40:36] Even had a 1200Baud modem on it [16:40:40] some banks and airlines still might run mainframes from those times I think [16:40:53] programmed in COBOL or whatever [16:41:13] Action: Alanonzander knows COBoL, hate it. [16:41:37] hehe i managed to avoid that [16:41:55] but i still consider myself ok in fortran :) [16:42:05] I find Fortran 'fun' [16:42:13] I prefer C++ though [16:42:16] we mostly use fortran at work [16:42:20] modern fortran is not so bad [16:42:22] well for what I do at least [16:42:39] I passed Assembler, but I doubt I could programm in it any more. [16:42:43] some of the 80s stuff there is written in OLD syntax.. [16:43:04] i saw code older than that, and using special dialects [16:43:16] Does the modern fortran still require your code to be in specific columns ? [16:43:23] not anymore [16:43:38] but it is the default :) [16:43:41] Then I think I'll prefer the older verion of Fortran :) [16:43:51] well still if it was done in '77 the company had extensions and their precompiler so it's not that bad [16:46:05] my favorite story about cobol was a project in class I had. It wouldn't compile. I couldn't fiure out why. So I asked the professor. He couldn't figure it out either. One day I was in the computer room going over my code and the director of Computing Operations walked by and heard me cussing out the compiler . He askedwhy and I explained to him that for the past 2 months I was trying [16:46:05] to figure out why this code wouldnt' even compile. [16:46:33] He asked for the printout, spent 5 minutes looking at it, then came back to me and told me that I wil missing the entire decleration section. [16:47:04] once that was added... it compiled, and ran perfectly. [16:47:24] often you just need a second pair of eyes looking at it in a different way [16:47:33] Nobody in class, not even the profession had caught that. [16:47:40] *professor [16:50:24] What that entire situation taught me was to start withthe simple, then work towards the complex, and don't belive the compiler's error message. [16:53:26] and if someone gives you something "really difficult" to look at, check the basics first. [16:53:33] right [16:53:40] works well in general tech support too [16:53:49] it only takes a minute and often the darn plug just was not in the wall after all. [16:54:14] many a customer had "no dialtone" issues because somone had knocked the phonecord out of the wall when doing housekeeping. [16:54:32] DSL has similar issues [16:55:33] you don't see that much with cable.. but it does happen from time to time. [16:55:58] I even called the techs once because my cable modem was out [16:56:09] then i just redid the connections to the TV plug and... well it worked. [16:56:17] I hadn't even moved anything [16:57:35] yep [16:58:18] Website not working? Check domain registration, DNS servers, webserver, web-site code, in that order. [16:58:40] Of course this is after establishing that the customer even has full internet access [17:00:25] and customer even has electricity [17:07:30] haven't had that one yet [17:08:09] did have one call, and just as I picked up had a power outage (they said they would call back when the power returned) [19:10:44] Event Horizon Telescope continues: https://www.nature.com/news/how-to-hunt-for-a-black-hole-with-a-telescope-the-size-of-earth-1.21693 [20:06:13] greetings [20:06:43] greetings [20:06:45] welcome to 2017.999999999 [20:08:02] madmerlyn: got a new version of your code I could check? I'm almost ready to go into spaceplanes [20:08:12] maybe in a bit [20:08:14] just got online [20:08:26] remember kids, if you go into spaceplanes, sit down and fasten your seatbelts :) [20:08:33] I did figure out a proper trigger for the landing gear to put in the main loop though [20:08:45] (need to optimise the tourism+ voyages to the soon-to-be-built space hotel) [20:08:54] I still need a name for that hotel [20:09:04] just did `if(ALT:RADAR>25{ GEAR OFF. } else { GEAR ON.} [20:09:10] Maybe 'Super 80000' [20:09:25] so it should retract gear when airborne, although I think waiting until 25m up is maybe too late for slow landing gear to deploy, heh [20:09:41] so I might have to put a variable in there to switch on and off [20:09:57] or 'Orbits Inn' [20:10:23] although since this script doesn't do landing maybe I'll just not worry about it [20:10:31] and write a separate script for when I want to deorbit and land [20:11:02] then you should return 'false' at some point in the trigger so it terminates [20:11:08] problem: autoland is rough on this aircraft. resolution: autoland not installed [20:11:44] well I don't have autoland at all :P [20:11:52] not solution, just code separation heh [20:12:37] just be a matter of run planeorbit(100000). and then when I want to land run planeland. [20:12:47] madmerlyn: see this example https://github.com/ve2dmn/kOS-Script/blob/master/LaunchEquator.ks#L24-L32 [20:13:32] I didn't use a WHEN, I used an IF statement on the main loop [20:14:06] A trigger would run parallel to the main loop [20:14:47] yes you dont have it, that is why it is rough :) [20:16:30] ve2dmn one thing you could change on your launchequator, you could set up a parameter at the top for TargetAltitude [20:16:54] so like `parameter TargetAltitude is body:atm:height + 10000.` [20:17:12] that way it defaults to body:atm:height+10000, but you could specify a different altitude if you wanted [20:17:40] so you could do `run LaunchEquator(100000).` if you wanted to launch to 100k instead of 80k on kerbin [20:18:02] but if you just typed `run LaunchEquator.` it would still default to the 80km [20:18:19] I could parameter alos the Equator vs Polar [20:18:39] also does the body:atm:height return 0 if it's non-atmospheric? [20:19:19] should [20:20:05] so yes, that ' -20k might not be a good idea [20:22:03] I should maybe use a minimum of 5k [20:23:22] And I found out why some of my programs would trigger during a rendez-vous [20:23:53] If I had cancel the program in the middle, it would simply try to continue the next time the vessel was loaded [20:24:33] 90% of the cancellation I did were before the circularization burn (my main bug) [20:25:38] so if I just want a trigger to go off once I just return false on it? [20:25:59] So, re-load space Station (to dock) and one of the various kOS CPU on board would trigger and try to circularise my Space Station. a 5m/s burn is not a big issue, but rotating 90 degree was annoying while you're trying to dock [20:26:13] madmerlyn: pretty much [20:26:34] do you have your bootloader executing commands besides copypaths? [20:26:39] The old doc had the 'preserve' keyword instead of true [20:26:48] my bootloader just grabs the stuff I want to memory, nothing kicks off until I issue a run command [20:26:52] not yet, no [20:27:19] or are you saying if you ctrl+c a script it resumes on reload? [20:28:14] I think so. I'm not 100% sure. In those cases part of the script was bootloaded and started automatically, so it might have starting from 0 [20:31:47] I still have to figure out how the whole MKS thing works with 'construction' [20:31:51] should I put altitude based triggers in the main loop, or outside of it? [20:32:07] outside, but make sure they terminate [20:32:38] they use the same background process as the 'lock' mechanism [20:34:29] wow... 1 Tourist want to pay 6 million Spaceos to see all the Jool moons [20:39:56] hehe [20:40:01] all of them? [20:40:03] all [20:40:26] Tourism+: Grand tour of Jool [20:40:51] for 1 kerbal i could probably make it under 2 million [20:41:08] With LifeSupport? [20:41:12] stock [20:42:36] 2 million for 1 kerbal to all Joolian moons? I guess Tylo and Laythe do drive the bill up [20:43:16] ve2dmn https://pastebin.com/zVhhbMnR [20:44:32] madmerlyn: put line 6 before line 4 ? [20:44:59] oh yeah I had done that before but it got flopped back around [20:46:39] testing script now [20:46:55] what are AG1 to 9 if you case? [20:47:06] AG1 switches modes on rapiers [20:47:27] AG9 is for the SSTOs that have dedicated OM engines, switches all the rapiers off and OMs on [20:47:56] I tend to use 2 for science and 0 for 'deploy all solar panels and radiators' [20:48:44] ok already found several syntax errors, updating shortly [20:53:43] I updated Lancelot Mk2 to have the docking port on the ventral side instead of dorsal, so docking won't require angling to avoid fins touching things [20:55:33] I almost wonder with all the trouble I've had on re-entry with some of my newer designs if simple wingtip stabilizers would help [21:17:05] made some more design changes to my OPT based plane, see if it can land [21:43:42] Arthur made 101k orbit with 38t of payload and 616m/s dv left for maneuvering [23:18:58] I fixed Arthur's re-entry problems, still flatspins a little bit but it's capable of stable flight once you get subsonic [23:23:50] ve2dmn I have a 36 kerbal to orbit spaceplane that seems to be pretty good if you have mk4 and OPT parts [23:24:14] getting ready to re-entry test it [23:42:09] it flies well enough :) [23:59:46] a bit late (it's 9am), but happy new year