[00:01:50] <JCB> ... I don't suppose anyone here has launched actual model rockets before?
[00:03:01] <jgkamat> I'm sure someone here has
[00:03:04] <jgkamat> I have a long time ago
[00:03:26] <JCB> I miss having that Astrocam rocket...
[00:03:48] <JCB> I seen a digital camera version, but was only out briefly. Didn't have the money at the time. :\
[00:04:29] <jgkamat> launching rockets is really fun, both in KSP and real life :P
[00:05:34] <JCB> I could just make my own.. buy the motors.. I'd still wanna do a camera based one.
[00:06:02] <JCB> The film one was neat but.. lot of times I launched, I messed up setting things, or the film wasn't fast enough.
[00:33:49] <darsie> I launched fireworks and toy balloons.
[02:36:59] <JCB> ... ok lol...
[02:37:31] <JCB> get satellite contract offered. Go to tracking station. Shows orbit, but also a sat-dish icon on surface with a location name.. ugh, had me so confused
[02:37:57] <JCB> here I thought it was another contract, but no idea what the dish icon meant. Had to do a little de-bugging
[02:40:04] <JCB> .... anyways
[03:01:39] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 8%
[03:19:11] <GlassYuri> "The percentage is in range 0 to 1" that's not how percentages work dude
[03:22:16] <UmbralRaptor> Mistranslation of probability? 
[03:22:44] <GlassYuri> UmbralRaptor, not probability, progress along a spline
[03:22:53] <GlassYuri> not sure what the correct word would be
[03:25:06] <UmbralRaptor> position? 
[03:31:36] <KrazyKrl> "The percentage is a float value with a range of 0 to 1 (inclusive)" ?
[05:27:02] <Draconiator> https://www.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-mini-supercomputer-fastest-single-161806876.html
[05:42:13] <Althego> nince, can i have one?
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[08:45:09] <gartral> arrrgh I can not make a decent vehicle for love, sex or money, non of my craft want go straight ahead down range without ocilating or pulling... 
[08:46:27] <gartral> the premade crafts all act fine, so it's almost certainly my own fault, I just can't figure out what it is i'm doing wrong
[08:47:20] <Althego> the usual com vs col probably
[08:48:04] <Althego> preferably yellow ball in front of cyan ball
[09:23:52] <gartral> com should be *SLIGHTLY* in front of col, yes?
[09:28:53] <Althego> yes
[09:29:10] <Althego> too much and it becomes a dart that flies an arc and hits the ground
[09:29:23] <Althego> dont forget that com moves with fuel
[09:56:55] <Epi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwO4ohqkjb0 a ksp gun 
[09:57:05] <Epi> a very nice slowmo mid way ^
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[12:15:58] <Rokker> Althego: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:16:15] <Rokker> Althego: ive always found that bit of the guide to be a bit of an exaggeration
[12:18:06] <Rokker> gartral: the most important thing is yellow in front of cyan
[12:18:16] <Rokker> how far isnt as important as most people say
[12:18:29] <Althego> it is quite important
[12:18:41] <Althego> i had lot of uncontrollable things where the distance wa too big
[12:18:57] <Rokker> thats a personal problem then
[12:19:07] <Althego> no, that is caused by physics
[12:19:26] <Althego> it is your personal problem that you think the distance is not important
[12:19:37] <Rokker> Althego: "slightly" as he put it, is an overly precise method
[12:21:53] <Rokker> Althego: any "lawn dart" effect can be overcome with sufficient control surface usage
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[12:22:30] <Althego> just as slightly unstable things can also be used
[12:22:50] <Rokker> Althego: im not talking about the real world
[12:23:12] <Rokker> im talking about KSP, and there are no reasonably sound methods to control an unstable craft in KSP
[12:23:14] <Althego> lso works in the game
[12:23:23] <Rokker> as opposed to an overly stable craft
[12:23:29] <Althego> because it does not take drag into account, and that can stabilzie you enough for flight
[12:26:07] <Rokker> Althego: anyways, slightly in front of has always been an overexaggeration and you can afford to go a decent bit forward
[12:26:28] <Rokker> typically
[12:26:28] <Althego> that depends on what you mean by slightly and decent bit
[12:26:31] <Rokker> depends on the craft
[12:26:56] <Althego> many people mean the balls must be touching (hehe) i think that is false, there can be some distance between them
[12:27:25] <Rokker> http://www.wingsbywerntz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/CG-CL-TailForce1.png
[12:36:58] <Rokker> Althego: tails can fix all problems
[12:37:10] <Althego> not in ksp
[12:38:15] <Rokker> Althego: ALL PROBLEMS
[12:38:47] <Althego> only with ears too :)
[12:45:27] Action: Rokker smashes Althego with a plane tail
[12:45:36] <Rokker> *all problems*
[12:46:02] <Althego> ... and rokker? smash!
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[16:14:30] <Althego> spacex launch postponed again
[16:14:42] <Althego> at least they could have pushed it to the weekend
[16:23:43] <Fluburtur> I want to revive the flying pc fan
[16:23:49] <Fluburtur> but it needs to be a surprise for dedd
[16:33:19] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/6c2aea12bdae6d474a20b4eabe2e8673/tumblr_ojsgjjPSK61r73bz3o1_540.jpg
[16:41:08] <Fluburtur> .choose play war thunder|repair my heli
[16:41:12] <Fluburtur> uh
[16:41:21] <Althego> repair heli
[16:41:25] <Fluburtur> ;choose do something useful|no do something useful
[16:41:26] <Althego> do it!
[16:41:26] <kmath> Fluburtur: do something useful
[16:41:46] <Fluburtur> well I just have to plug it to the computer in order do do the settings of the tail servo
[16:41:57] <Fluburtur> will probably need to change the gains later too
[16:43:05] <Fluburtur> im still gonna play some war thunder
[16:43:13] <Fluburtur> to get the daily thing
[16:43:17] <Althego> hehe
[17:25:07] <Althego> attention! there is absolutely no cause for alarm!
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[17:29:14] <ve2dmn> Althego: DON'T PANIC
[17:29:51] <Althego> not so friendly letters
[17:30:49] <TheKosmonaut> The wing is *not* on fire!
[17:30:55] <Althego> that
[17:33:04] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_shsRfXqk
[17:33:04] <kmath> YouTube - Monty Python Airplane Pilots
[18:14:20] <Fluburtur> Rokker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwO4ohqkjb0
[18:14:21] <kmath> YouTube - Shooting the MBA Gyrojet Rocket Carbine - Sneak Preview!
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[19:19:26] <Fluburtur> Rokker https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/451827034805501962/20180531211735_1.jpg
[19:27:50] <Althego> winter is coming https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/02065/mcam/2065MR0109570000903723E01_DXXX.jpg
[19:30:36] <Althego> actually it seems to be summer
[19:32:15] <APlayer> LOL. The ISS will be above me soon, and there is a thunderstorm, so I went to see the livestream. First thing I noticed was the camera wiggling on occasion. I thought it had a gimbal. Then, some sort of apparently soft bad or something drifted into view. I figured it must be attached on the outside nearby, though I did wonder why it drifted into view. And suddenly, a glove appears to fetch the bag out of view 
[19:32:15] <APlayer> again. 
[19:32:21] <APlayer> Imagine my reaction.
[19:33:56] <Althego> i cant
[19:34:02] <Althego> what is the importance of this?
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[20:22:01] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
[21:05:00] <Rokker> APlayer: I'm gonna imagine it was surprise
[21:06:09] <APlayer> Rokker: Intensify that
[21:06:26] <Rokker> APlayer: anyways I'm assuming you were using hdev?
[21:07:59] <APlayer> I was using this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM I think that's HDEV, yes.
[21:08:05] <APlayer> The EVA is still ongoing, too
[21:08:13] <Rokker> meh
[21:08:30] <Rokker> up until recently I suppose it wasnt live
[21:08:34] <Rokker> which annoyed me
[21:08:40] <Rokker> it was recorded
[21:08:56] <Rokker> as you could tell vs the actual low quality live stream
[21:09:34] <Rokker>  looks like that has changed
[21:15:43] <Rokker> APlayer: altho there isnt supposed to be a spacewalk today
[21:16:02] <APlayer> Well, apparently
[21:16:08] <APlayer> You see one :P
[21:18:06] <APlayer> "(This stream may upset those who believe in a Theory such as Flat-earth, Please make an effort to share a constructive comment on live chat. www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/20/flat-earth-believers-youtube-videos-conspiracy-theorists)"
[21:18:28] <APlayer> Gah
[21:19:38] <APlayer> The stream is a recording, probably. It is not in sync with the NASA one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSTH0RBUV6I
[21:19:39] <kmath> YouTube - Earth Views from the Space Station's High Definition Earth-Viewing System
[21:19:59] <APlayer> The NASA one is consistent with ISS tracker's terminator passage, too
[21:21:48] <Rokker> APlayer: it annoys me that they dont say that on the video
[21:22:05] <APlayer> It annoys me that it says "LIVE" in big red letters
[21:23:22] <APlayer> Anyway, I'm off for today
[21:26:48] <Rokker> APlayer: then you definitely arent watching NASA steam
[21:26:59] <Rokker> those people livestream launches tha thappened weeks ago
[21:32:30] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch is this the german anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLpxatSPQ1A
[21:32:30] <kmath> YouTube - TORPEDO BOYZ - Ich Bin Ausländer (Leider Zum Glück) (Official Video)
[21:37:21] <Eddi|zuHause> only marginally different than i remember
[21:38:51] <Eddi|zuHause> there was this segment in Karambolage (ARTE) once, where they asked 10 people in berlin to sing/whistle/whatever the french anthem, and 10 people in paris to do the same with the german anthem
[21:39:42] <Eddi|zuHause> outcome: 10/10 germans knew the french anthem, lots of them with text, and 1/10 french people knew the german anthem. and that 1 person was actually not french but belgian
[21:41:09] <Fluburtur> I actually never heard of the german anthem
[21:41:25] <Fluburtur> so I guess peoples in france are not interested about it
[21:44:56] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the melody is from some barely known composer called Haydn
[21:45:30] <Eddi|zuHause> and the text... well, we discarded most of that after some people took it literally that germany should extend between Maas and Memel
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[22:17:50] <transitbiker> bwoop
[22:18:16] <transitbiker> how's everyone doing?
[22:19:52] <transitbiker> question for all the computer geeks in here: which computer accessories still come regularly with the noise donuts on the power cable?
[22:21:52] <ve2dmn> transitbiker: not many
[22:22:06] <transitbiker> i figured as much
[22:22:22] <UmbralRaptop> noise donuts? 
[22:22:26] <ve2dmn> the cheaper the thing..... the cheaper the thing :D
[22:22:45] <transitbiker> ive noticed them on traction control circuitry in EMU cars an locomotive
[22:22:55] <transitbiker> ferrite bead EM filter?
[22:24:00] <transitbiker> those weird plastic blocks on cables, i call them donuts because many of them are simple round ferrite ceramic things resembling a donut
[22:24:12] <transitbiker> some are more tube shaped
[22:24:55] <ve2dmn> ok... so I'm starting a new game for Surviving Mars and I need a historicaly significative set of Coord on mars
[22:25:40] <transitbiker> probably look for NASA's data sheets on potential early probe landing sites?
[22:25:55] <transitbiker> i'm sure they are online somewhere
[22:27:23] <transitbiker> i do believe some of the charts were built from math worked on by "calculators", featured in the film "hidden figures".
[22:28:27] <transitbiker> there was also the manned mars rocket initiative, which was ultimately canceled
[22:28:55] <transitbiker> i do believe some math was done for that
[22:29:17] <transitbiker> well, officially documented math, i mean
[22:30:47] <ve2dmn> transitbiker: it's for a game...
[22:31:08] <ve2dmn> I just want to know what Viking or Mariner landed... so I went with Google Mars
[22:31:16] <transitbiker> google mars <3
[22:31:32] <transitbiker> i like x-plane's mars mode
[22:31:41] <transitbiker> quite challenging 
[22:32:54] <ve2dmn> transitbiker: https://steamcommunity.com/broadcast/watch/76561197994451548/
[22:35:04] <transitbiker> oooo fun
[22:41:22] <transitbiker> reminds me very much of "space colony"
[22:44:17] <transitbiker> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Colony_(video_game)
[22:55:55] <transitbiker> any suggestions t extend flight time??  https://i.imgur.com/WsFRzFi.png
[22:56:06] <Supercheese> drop takns
[22:56:08] <Supercheese> tanks*
[22:56:14] <transitbiker> hmmm
[22:57:01] <transitbiker> i did just put taller gear to better accommodate the engines (touchy tail strike profile) so that may work
[22:58:32] <transitbiker> https://i.imgur.com/HL9Birk.png think there's enough room?
[23:00:17] <transitbiker> so i was researching hypersonic engines (the kind used on Y-12, SR-71 etc) and it seems that engine pre-coolers are actually a thing, though no production engines currently use them
[23:00:53] <transitbiker> ve2dmn, the music on that game is pretty decent!
[23:01:11] <Supercheese> you can also put wingtip tanks
[23:01:19] <Supercheese> if you're concerned about ground clearance for drop tanks
[23:01:57] <transitbiker> well
[23:02:14] <ve2dmn> transitbiker: I could try another radio station
[23:03:05] <transitbiker> that is an option, however because of the wing forces at landing and at speed, i would want to minimize outboard loads
[23:03:13] <transitbiker> i'm trying to work without struts
[23:03:31] <transitbiker> ve2dmn, up to you ^-^
[23:04:14] <transitbiker> the battery packs are on the wings, i'd have to move them to the fuselage, which may adversely affect the thermal profile
[23:04:45] <transitbiker> currently the middle 3 sections of the fuselage are coolest at the edge of the speed capabilities
[23:06:04] <transitbiker> i can test it, i guess
[23:17:39] <transitbiker> does not seem to affect thermal profile
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[23:19:38] <Eddi|zuHause> last time i tried medium gear on small planes, the plane jumped up in the air when landed and quickloaded
[23:20:57] <transitbiker> that seems to no longer be an issue
[23:21:07] <transitbiker> which version was that?
[23:21:31] <Eddi|zuHause> not sure, might be 1.3.x
[23:23:01] <transitbiker> im on 1.2.2 still
[23:23:59] <transitbiker> not going to update for a bit
[23:24:08] <transitbiker> not fond of the new EULA
[23:29:13] <transitbiker> i like how the rock harvesters have realistic 'will contaminate nearby structures with dust"
[23:30:27] <transitbiker> well, it can take off
[23:32:35] <transitbiker> wow.. talk about FOD prone design! https://i.imgur.com/sbj5iKc.png
[23:34:31] <Supercheese> O.o
[23:35:04] <transitbiker> yeah its a small thing, drop tanks are good, but you gotta go about it the right way
[23:35:20] <transitbiker> i may end up doing top mounted on the wings
[23:35:46] <transitbiker> i hope that isnt the case, beause it will affect handling bigtime 
[23:37:44] <transitbiker> ok, the tail strike profile with the tanks seems to line up with the existing one, just a bit of added heft and suspension travel on rotate
[23:40:14] <transitbiker> fuel profile set
[23:46:24] <transitbiker> that's quite the overwhelming tech tree
[23:47:43] <ve2dmn> meh
[23:47:51] <BenjaminK> hello everyone
[23:47:55] <ve2dmn> it's mostly linear once you know it
[23:48:12] <BenjaminK> I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get the forward direction of a vessel programmaticly
[23:48:24] <BenjaminK> or the 'front' of the vessel
[23:48:34] <ve2dmn> define 'programaticly'
[23:48:44] <BenjaminK> with code through thr API
[23:50:22] <BenjaminK> I think I found something
[23:50:35] <ve2dmn> Krpc, kOS or modding?
[23:50:47] <BenjaminK> modding
[23:51:06] <BenjaminK> for everyone else: https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/api/class_vessel.html#a1d06dad7d53ef6fad5f3f3e563acbf83 <- this might do it
[23:51:24] <transitbiker> well the drop tanks worked
[23:51:38] <transitbiker> still feeding off them
[23:51:40] <ve2dmn> yeah, the vessel class would do it :D
[23:53:41] <transitbiker> unanticipated side effect of adding the drop tanks: they seem to be acting as limited heatsinks for the wing
[23:54:54] <transitbiker> cold soaked fuel frost
[23:57:14] <transitbiker> dat cold wave tho
[23:57:39] <BenjaminK> ve2dmn: Bit of therory here: Vessel has up, north, and east vectors
[23:57:56] <BenjaminK> are those static or do they change with the rotation of the vessel?
[23:58:15] <ve2dmn> let me check