[00:00:06] <darsie> Did you mean cyrillic?
[00:00:54] <Guest92096> is that what it's called
[00:00:57] <Guest92096> yes
[00:01:20] <darsie> Several languages use the cyrillic characters.
[00:02:00] <Guest92096> ok
[00:02:07] <Guest92096> but i only the english ones
[00:03:58] <Guest92096> can you send me a copy of your language cfg files?
[00:04:15] <darsie> I don't have breaking ground.
[00:04:32] <darsie> umm, making history.
[00:04:55] <Guest92096> it's okay 
[00:05:11] <Guest92096> i don't have breaking ground either
[00:05:27] <Guest92096> just the cfg files for the base game and the making history dlc
[00:07:19] <Guest92096> here's my email keithfajilan3@gmail.com
[00:10:39] <darsie> These 475 files? https://pastebin.com/ZbaTiPf8
[00:12:07] <packbart> the motors seem to mess a bit with the part tree. autostruts on things connected to the rotor see a different root
[00:14:20] <Guest92096> thanks but i was looking for the language cfg files from Kerbal Space Program/GameData/Squad/Localization and Kerbal Space Program/GameData/SquadExpansion/MakingHistory/Localization
[00:21:44] <Guest92096> can anyone send me a copy of their language cfg files?
[00:31:30] <Guest92096> does any of you guys have making history dlc installed?
[02:15:26] <UmbralRaptop> <@egg> UmbralRaptop: this needs to become a KSP term https://twitter.com/13ericralph31/status/1134189068768559104
[02:19:39] <packbart> the front fell off?
[02:20:14] <UmbralRaptop> well, back 
[02:21:57] <packbart> depends on which way you're looking out of the engine ;) - but I see: https://twitter.com/JtheNinja/status/1134227490090577920
[03:24:34] <MARS19> Hello anyone online
[03:28:21] <UmbralRaptop> no, we're all offline 
[03:30:00] <MARS19> lol good UmbralRaptop
[03:30:34] <UmbralRaptop> (speaking of offline, I haven't yet been able to mess with the update) 
[03:30:50] <MARS19> it been a while since i've been on the IRC chat 
[03:31:40] <UmbralRaptop> IRC takes like no bandwidth or RAM, though 
[03:31:41] <MARS19> i got a quick question has the RSS mod been updated for ksp V1.7.0
[03:32:37] <UmbralRaptop> I think so? 
[03:33:01] <MARS19> because i looked and could not find any sort of news or updates regarding the RSS update
[03:34:17] <MARS19> i keep getting the feeling that im looking on the wrong pages ?
[03:35:29] <UmbralRaptop> unsure 
[03:37:07] <MARS19> Dang it
[03:38:51] <MARS19> i keep finding this version  https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/releases/tag/v14.0.0
[03:39:26] <MARS19> im not sure if this one will work with ksp v1.7.0
[03:52:48] <MARS19> crap i missed another ksp update
[03:54:18] <UmbralRaptop> 1.7.1 came out today, for what it's worth 
[03:55:52] <MARS19> dang it 
[04:02:07] <lordcirth__> They usually do a point release for DLC compatibilty
[04:07:50] <Shadow> Hi welcome everyone
[04:08:29] <Shadow> I have questions. There is  this new patch 1.7.1. What change from 1.7.1 from previous 1.7.0?
[04:09:02] <UmbralRaptop> I'd have to double check the patch notes <_<;; 
[04:10:06] <Shadow> Ive been looking fo iy
[04:10:35] <Shadow> Luckily for me, since ive been so tired of the loading issues, ive been smarter about updating it
[04:10:52] <Shadow> The breaking ground expansion looks pretty cool
[04:11:31] <Shadow> However I downloaded 1.7.1 on a seperate folder so it doesnt enterphere with my 1.7. I tested it and its even more laggier than ever.
[04:11:58] <Shadow> Im gonna stick to 1.7.0 and stay happy there :)
[04:12:12] <Shadow> Till I get a better computer
[04:12:19] <UmbralRaptop> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/1.7.1
[04:12:51] <Shadow> thanks
[04:15:18] <Shadow> This is not the Breaking Ground Expansion?
[04:19:56] <UmbralRaptop> not as such, though that also came out 
[04:20:42] <MARS19> hmm alot of intersting tools and gadgets on the 1.7.1 breaking grounds update
[04:22:48] <Shadow> Id be happy to watch stream play or something, it does look interesting.
[04:23:19] <Shadow> Im just gonna stick to 1.7.0
[04:24:11] <Shadow> I hope Squad for the sake of new gamers makes their game as stable and playable as possible. We dont want another minecraft situation again.
[04:25:30] <MARS19> well i just finished downloanding the 1.7.1
[04:26:24] <UmbralRaptop> hopefully. It's mildly concerning how some of the part updates in the past few versions feel like exercises in filling ram 
[04:28:03] <MARS19> ?
[04:28:09] <Shadow> I notice the more they add, the more it takes to load, not sure if this is the cause of it though, but dont really care anymore
[04:28:57] <Shadow> Is breaking ground included in 1.7.1? or is that coming up soon?
[04:29:13] <UmbralRaptop> MARS19: fancier/higher poly models, more textures, etc. 
[04:29:44] <MARS19> ah 
[04:30:04] <MARS19> how do you tag everyone 
[04:30:09] <UmbralRaptop> Shadow: it's a separate thing. At least with the store version you click a different link 
[04:30:46] <UmbralRaptop> MARS19: what so you mean? 
[04:30:55] <Shadow> im pretty confused. So breaking ground hasnt been released yet?
[04:31:34] <UmbralRaptop> It has been released, but it's a separate expansion and not part of 1.7.1.
[04:31:41] <MARS19> nvm the question 
[04:32:46] <Shadow> Oh I see it
[04:33:15] <Shadow> Was this released just now?
[04:33:33] <UmbralRaptop> some hours back 
[04:34:09] <UmbralRaptop> The site had issues at times 
[04:34:46] <MARS19> UmbralRaptop so the robotics parts and the other features wont be in the ksp 1.7.1 that i just downloaded ?
[04:34:58] <Shadow> Hope you guys enjoy the new update then
[04:36:03] <UmbralRaptop> right, I think just some UI tweaks 
[04:36:58] <MARS19> **** dang it
[04:37:21] <MARS19> what the..... did i just got bleeped ?
[04:38:05] <Shadow> Mars, I just looked at the main site, you have to buy the dlc
[04:38:26] <Shadow> its $14 which is pretty increbility cheap price in my opinion
[04:38:28] <Shadow> which is nice
[04:38:49] <MARS19> aw crap well it is cheap and affordable 
[04:39:30] <Shadow> I wonder how many dlcs are planned
[04:40:54] <MARS19> so all the DLC's come apart
[04:44:08] <Shadow> yeah. Currently there 2 of them
[04:44:11] <Shadow> 1 just released
[04:44:48] <Shadow> hope your computer can handle them
[04:45:17] <MARS19> OH IT CAN
[04:45:26] <MARS19> sorry caps
[04:48:37] <Shadow> New computers are alot cheaper compare to when I got mine
[04:48:59] <Shadow> this computer is 10 years old, it has 5gb at most
[04:49:12] <Shadow> but still kicking it
[05:16:17] <xShadowx> this place is still around?
[05:16:19] <xShadowx> o.O
[05:21:38] <MARS19> yep im still surprised 
[05:22:00] <MARS19> and now im pissed off at ksp
[05:22:35] <MARS19> (dont ask why)
[05:26:18] <Neal> ooooo that new ksp dlc looks cool
[05:26:32] <Neal> literally all I've seen is a yt thumbnail
[05:27:02] <Neal> wait is it already out?
[05:27:22] <MARS19> it is cool but i cant have it my card got declined dang it
[05:27:23] <Neal> haha it's already installed
[05:27:47] <Neal> I did literally nothing today and it's already been installed for me since I bought it on steam early 
[05:28:03] <MARS19> dang it 
[05:28:52] <Neal> MARS19, did you get it on steam?
[05:29:25] <MARS19> how come on steam all DLC's get installed and those on the online store does not
[05:29:53] <MARS19> @Neal no i dont have steam
[05:30:34] <Althego> my problem with the dlc is that it combines extra science with the robot parts. i just wanted the robot parts
[05:30:42] <Althego> there is too much science already
[05:30:54] <Althego> so i cant install it until i finished this career
[05:31:10] <Neal> MARS19, not all steam installs get it. you had to purchase the game on steam before some time in 2013
[05:31:31] <Neal> same with normal ksp store I think
[05:31:35] <MARS19> i dont mind having more science
[05:32:20] <MARS19> brb
[05:32:33] <Althego> they tied two completely unrelated things
[05:33:28] <MARS19> Neal i bought my ksp on 2014-04-10
[05:34:05] <Neal> yeah cutoff date was like april(?) 2013
[05:34:20] <MARS19> crap 
[05:34:50] <Neal> I bought it around a week before the cutoff date, I was really lucky
[05:34:54] <Althego> i bought it in 2014 too
[05:35:12] <Neal> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/170582-kerbal-space-program-making-history-expansion-release-date-announcement/
[05:35:40] <Neal> I think I still have my irc logs from like 2012 or earlier when I was on the free demo(do they even have that anymore?)
[05:36:06] <MARS19> idk about the demos ksp
[05:36:15] <Neal> "Kerbal Space Program: Making History Expansion will be available for $14.99 (USD) on PC. And yes, we’re keeping our promise that all players who purchased the game through April 2013 will receive the expansion for free."
[05:36:45] <MARS19> s**** 
[05:37:54] <MARS19> i though they said all trough 2014 onwards ?
[05:38:00] <MARS19> dang it
[05:39:35] <Neal> nope the eula or agreement or whatever was changed in 2013
[05:39:55] <Neal> I just started my science mode save yesterday, should I just revert it?
[05:40:00] <Neal> and create a new save
[05:40:08] <MARS19> i guess i got jinxed
[05:40:28] <Althego> cant you upgrade it simply?
[05:40:41] <Althego> normally it should work
[05:40:46] <Althego> you just get the additional parts
[05:40:52] <Althego> probably higher up in the science tree
[05:41:05] <MARS19> nope my card got declined thats i cant upgrade
[05:41:30] <Neal> idk I haven't even launched the game yet Althego 
[05:41:43] <Neal> I think I only have 7 or 8 nodes unlocked
[05:41:54] <Neal> tbh it seems like most of this stuff should have been in the full release
[05:42:02] <Althego> hehe
[05:42:09] <Althego> the robot parts, sure
[05:42:18] <MARS19> can i swear in here 
[05:42:24] <MARS19> just for one min
[05:42:33] <Althego> no
[05:42:38] <Neal> no swears
[05:42:57] <Althego> there is the unofficial channel, you can do it there. but nothing ever happens there
[05:43:24] <MARS19> brb then im going to swear over here until the neighbors wake complaining
[05:44:13] <Althego> hehe it is like the joke. the neighbor rang the doorbell at 2:35, can you imagine that? luckily i was awake drumming
[05:44:37] <MARS19> lol 
[05:45:12] <MARS19> allright fellas im going to bed i'll chat later
[05:52:24] <Neal> still wish there was an automated sample return thing that didn't need a kerbal =/
[05:54:10] <Neal> uhhhhh okay ksp is using 6GB of RAM on the main menu
[05:54:15] <Neal> that seems a little excessive
[05:54:20] <Neal> pretty sure BF5 uses less
[06:05:21] <Althego> what they didnt add that?
[06:05:26] <Althego> they added a robotic arm for science
[06:05:30] <Althego> but it cant collect sample?
[06:05:32] <Althego> heh
[06:05:41] <Althego> this was an other issue i always hated
[06:05:48] <Althego> you shouldnt need a kerbal for sample return
[06:05:53] <Althego> only for crew and eva report
[06:17:09] <kubi> modding should not be too complicated for that
[06:27:51] <Neal> hrm I'm going to be cutting it real close with dV in my mun landing here
[06:36:10] <Neal> the suicide burn countdown on KER is brilliant and terrifying
[09:17:22] <kubi> yes
[09:17:46] <kubi> but it can be a bit tricky if the trajectory is shallow and the terrain is bumpy
[11:08:22] <Guest38950> hi
[12:02:23] <taniwha> I've found better burn time's info to be pretty good
[12:12:36] <Althego> hehe, watched the new scimandan video and he had this shirt on https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/dlkAAOSwwARazK9D/s-l1600.jpg
[12:13:38] <Gasher[work]> lol]
[13:18:09] <UmbralRaptop> https://twitter.com/hanipersian/status/1133911754277294080
[13:18:09] <kmath> <hanipersian> Here I market all human made probes that land/impact/touch surface of the Moon. ⏎  ⏎ @NASA @esa @isro @JAXA_en… https://t.co/LcFFB87hWi
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[13:35:24] <Althego> market? wants to sell landed moon probes?
[14:14:45] <UmbralRaptop> tyop of marking? 
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[14:56:58] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6JKg1IQ5D0 why did nobody tag you here? :D
[15:54:28] <Althego> what, did he cause the accident?
[15:56:50] <Althego> heh i missed an opportunity. i could have solved a station contract for free if i had put a docking port on one of the ships
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[15:58:00] <Eddi|zuHause> let me guess, none of the mods work today?
[15:58:44] <Althego> it is not a complete waste, i still have exactly 5 kerbals scheduled to go to a mun trip, so that would solve it anyway, but if i send them i would have no kerbals remaining on the base
[15:59:19] <Althego> hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ohUI_F8waY
[15:59:19] <kmath> YouTube - Your next PC? ALL AMD
[15:59:23] <Althego> yes, my thoughts exactly
[15:59:46] <Althego> as it looks now, the new one next year is going to be all amd
[16:01:11] <Eddi|zuHause> what? my current computer is also all amd
[16:01:25] <Althego> if you have been asleep for the past 15 years
[16:02:05] <Eddi|zuHause> i always found intel just a bit too pricey
[16:02:26] <Althego> but now not only they are too expensive, it seems they are also inferior
[16:02:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't need that last fraction of a performance boost
[16:02:36] <Althego> they cant really recover from this too fast
[16:03:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i wanted to get a new computer ever since ryzen was announced, but never got around to it
[16:03:36] <Althego> wait until the new stuff releases now
[16:03:44] <Eddi|zuHause> i heard
[16:03:45] <Althego> the last 2 gen computers i had intel, before that the previous two gen computers were amd. i guess i am back to amd too
[16:04:03] <Eddi|zuHause> my current computer is about 9 years old now
[16:04:10] <Althego> that is really old
[16:04:17] <Eddi|zuHause> with the graphics card a bit younger
[16:04:34] <Althego> although in the last 5 years there was very little progress thanks to intel
[16:04:38] <Eddi|zuHause> it's showing with games...
[16:04:55] <Eddi|zuHause> a bunch of games are scraping the single digit fps
[16:11:30] <Althego> i guess i dont really need the 5 kerbals at the base on standby, i can send them now
[16:19:33] <darsie> I did a mass transport once like this: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot190.png
[16:22:34] <darsie> http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/IMG_20190531_130314.jpg
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[16:44:51] <packbart> Eddi|zuHause: the Mods I use work today, except for Kopernicus. and that's probably just over-cautious with its hardcoded version number
[16:47:47] <packbart> hmm. probably should've posted my question in the BG Discussion forum, not BG Support, now that I think about it. oh well, it's done
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[17:43:53] <umaxtu> gah! Kerbal Alarm Clock isn't out for 1.7! Whatever shall I do?
[17:45:13] <raptop> oh no!
[17:48:43] <Althego> ok first batch of burns finished, there were 25 seconds between some (cant switch during landing)
[17:49:30] <Althego> the game should compute landing speed with open chutes and should let me switch
[17:49:35] <Althego> and recover automatically
[17:50:37] <Althego> some of the first batch appeared in the second, because of additional burn
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[17:51:31] <Althego> eh another rescue contract, if the rescue ship was the bigger one i could just collect the second guy easily, the capsule is near by the first
[18:35:34] <packbart> and the Ferris wheels keep turning. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspfw.jpg
[18:37:28] <packbart> I should remove the clipping middle panel between the seats
[18:41:54] <Althego> scott. about the rocket testing inciden
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[19:09:42] <skippydippy> Anyone in?
[19:10:47] <raptop> Not with that attitude
[19:11:02] <raptop> 30 seconds total in channel, 16 after talking
[19:38:14] <darsie> I made this awesome rocket, but KSP won't launch it and I can't really load and edit it any more. When I press ok in the load dialogue, it loads it, but the dialogue doesn't disappear and I have to click cancel. :( http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot191.png http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/mass%20transit.craft
[19:39:43] <darsie> The crew loading carousel is a subassembly I loaded.
[19:40:47] <Althego> you dont need the crew loading carousel
[19:40:48] <packbart> any errors in the log? I'd expect some null reference thingy
[21:20:47] <darsie> Neal1: Whihc ones? I guess the small ones are physicsless, adding their mass to the parent part.
[21:21:09] <Neal1> the smallest ones are all I have unlocked
[21:21:30] <Neal1> I was mostly trying to balance out the weight of having my antenna on the other side
[21:21:59] <darsie> So you ran out of EC?
[21:22:39] <Neal1> yep
[21:22:40] <darsie> The small antenna is also physicsless, IIRC.
[21:22:47] <darsie> So no need to balance.
[21:22:57] <Neal1> I'm using the fold out one that is white
[21:23:21] <Neal1> shaped like a section of a tube cut lengthwise when open
[21:23:22] <darsie> The long, flat, 50 kg one?
[21:23:23] <Neal1> forgot the name
[21:23:26] <Neal1> yeah
[21:23:32] <darsie> k
[21:23:49] <darsie> Well, won't balance much with 5 kg, then anyways.
[21:24:17] <Neal1> I used 10 antennas
[21:24:17] <darsie> And actually, physicsless parts will not balance at all in this case.
[21:24:21] <Neal1> I mean 10 solar panels
[21:24:30] <darsie> Well, did it work?
[21:24:46] <darsie> Or did it drift without SAS?
[21:24:53] <Neal1> the CoM did change in the VAB I'm pretty sure, it's hard to tell when zoomed in because the textures get blurry
[21:25:12] <darsie> When you added teh panels?
[21:25:15] <Neal1> yeah
[21:25:24] <darsie> What about in flight?
[21:25:47] <Neal1> I'll check, just landed on minmus and about to take off again to crash it to reduce debris
[21:26:12] <darsie> How can you take off without EC?
[21:26:30] <darsie> You could wait till hte sun shines on your panels.
[21:26:36] <Neal1> yep it drifts
[21:26:40] <darsie> mhm
[21:26:47] <Neal1> like crazy tbh
[21:26:57] <darsie> Also, within a year the sun goes around, too.
[21:27:12] <Neal1> I had an SOI change in a few hours
[21:27:22] <Neal1> couldn't wait
[21:27:32] <darsie> yeah, no orbit is bad, then.
[21:28:03] <Neal1> since the craft was spinning slightly when I went into timewarp mode, I just cheated to give infinite electricity for a sec to reorient
[21:28:09] <darsie> Well, lessons learned :). space is hard :).
[21:28:27] <Neal1> it would have been fine if ksp modeled craft rotation during timewarp
[21:28:33] <Neal1> so I justified it that way
[21:28:37] <darsie> k
[21:28:42] <darsie> There's a mod that does that.
[21:28:51] <Neal1> oh?
[21:28:59] <darsie> persistant rotation or so
[21:29:25] <darsie> You can turn it on/off.
[21:30:38] <Neal1> might be cool, might be buggy
[21:31:00] <Neal1> I forgot to add reusable science experiments to this so I'm gotta crash it to reduce debris
[21:31:26] <darsie> You know, you can destroy vessles in the tracking station.
[21:31:34] <Neal1> that's too easy
[21:31:38] <darsie> :)
[21:32:08] <darsie> But IRL there's hardly too many spacecraft (far from Earth).
[21:32:14] <Neal1> there's a possibility some parts will survive reentry from the altitude of minmus's orbit so I can get some science back
[21:32:42] <Neal1> I've got 1800m/s dV so I may be able to bleed off enough speed to recover some things
[21:32:42] <darsie> Good luck with that :).
[21:33:01] <darsie> Ahh, yeah, that should work. If your engine ist strong enough.
[21:33:22] <darsie> You can also aerobrake with multiple atmospheric passes.
[21:33:51] <Neal1> got my Pe down to 60km and now have 1.4km/s dV
[21:34:05] <Neal1> 55Mm Ap
[21:34:16] <Neal1> gonna start there
[21:34:33] <darsie> Jeb falls through hte holes of horizontal ladders.
[21:34:47] <darsie> Thought of using them as gangway.
[21:34:58] <darsie> retractable ...
[21:45:48] <ironpenguin> So robotics are fun. Got a VTOL working nicely.
[21:48:03] <Althego> finally now i have enough time left to do something, only one node remaining in 45 minutes or so. and have all but the gravioli science thing (still on 1.7)
[21:48:12] <Althego> so i can send bob to minmus
[21:49:05] <Neal1> does anyone know of a way to get KER to display drag force?
[21:49:11] <Neal1> or maybe a way in stock ksp?
[21:49:12] <Althego> two small gravity probes can collect the gravioli science later
[21:49:41] <Althego> cant you turn on aero details from the alt-f12 menu?
[21:49:44] <Althego> same for thermal
[21:49:54] <Althego> gives exact numbers in context menu
[21:50:13] <Althego> i think there was one for aero too, but i only ever used it for thermal
[21:52:03] <Neal1> alt-f12-physics-aero- "display aero gui" has it, thx
[21:55:53] <Neal1> getting huge fireballs and I'm only at 56km altitude... this isn't going to be pretty
[21:55:57] <Neal1> reentering at mach 10
[21:56:52] <Althego> hehe
[21:57:02] <Neal1> the only thing that exploded was my command pod
[21:57:03] <Neal1> really
[21:57:06] <Althego> lol
[21:57:06] <Neal1> smh
[21:57:25] <Neal1> it was the last thing in the airflow...
[21:57:51] <Althego> when suddend overheat spike occurs in an occluded part is just cheat through it
[21:57:54] <Althego> it shouldnt happen
[21:58:05] <Althego> the air is fiverted by the parts in front of it
[21:58:27] <Neal1> idk why the HECS pod needs to have sides that are so wide
[21:58:27] <Althego> as it is visible with the plasma effects
[21:58:33] <Neal1> yea
[21:58:58] <Althego> typically for me the science junior what explodes
[21:59:04] <Neal1> it's just stupid that the small tony probe size pods aren't even protected properly by the small heatshield
[21:59:07] <Althego> so i just gave up on recovering the
[21:59:13] <Althego> despite being so expensive
[21:59:22] <Althego> yes that too
[21:59:34] <Althego> if you want to be sure you have to use one size bigger shield
[21:59:39] <Althego> which is nonsense
[22:00:52] <Neal1> maybe I'll file a bug report about that
[22:00:59] <Neal1> it's been that way for quite a while
[22:01:47] <Althego> you can see if it is bugged if you tilt the craft a little bit in the airstream, so that is is completely parallel, the sudden heat spike disappears
[22:01:56] <Althego> as suddenly as it came
[22:02:22] <Althego> but if the craft is not parallel with the stream even a tiny bit of a degree, the spike is there again
[22:02:40] <Althego> this is when i just turn on the ignore max temp
[22:02:51] <ironpenguin> Do you usually reenter on orbital or surface velocity? Cause i find surface has fewer issues for reentry.
[22:03:18] <Althego> yes that might be part of it
[22:03:40] <Althego> because there is a bit of difference in the angle
[22:03:44] <Neal1> you mean when aiming retrorade do you aim for orbital or surface?
[22:03:55] <Neal1> I do surface for reentry
[22:04:15] <Althego> the marker of the velocity vector moves between the surface and orbit modes
[22:04:22] <Neal1> yea
[22:04:51] <ironpenguin> Mmhm. Its a subtle difference, and dosent always work, but surface usually does just a bit better.
[22:04:53] <Althego> and it is better to have retrograde orientation in surface mode because it protects from the atmospheric effects better
[22:05:36] <Neal1> yep
[22:26:43] <Neal1> place your bets as to wheter I'll recover any parts from this, or if I just wasted 30min with 10+ aerobraking maneuvers to get nothing 
[22:26:45] <Neal1> https://i.imgur.com/un9u3Hh.png
[22:28:53] <Neal1> 50s impact time, make your entries!
[22:29:05] <ironpenguin> Hm...Im going with success.
[22:29:22] <Neal1> it's 50/50  think
[22:29:48] <Neal1> impact zone is right on the border of the ocean, and the body lift keeps moving the impact area around
[22:30:03] <Neal1> need moar drag
[22:30:36] <Neal1> theres some fuel in it stll so impact speed may be kinda high
[22:30:49] <Neal1> oh no its accelerating
[22:31:27] <Neal1> 500ms impact time and going 250 m/s
[22:31:29] <Neal1> yeah we ded
[22:31:45] <Neal1> well I officially wasted 35+ minutes
[22:31:55] <ironpenguin> Hm...Bummer.
[22:32:53] <Neal1> really did not anticipate the terminal velocity being 250m/s
[23:02:54] <packbart> upgrading to monodevelop 5 worked. I can finally compile mods again. *updates Kopernicus*
[23:32:14] <Fluburtur> big kaboom
[23:32:14] <Fluburtur> I was throwing crap out of a truck earlier and there was a formation of 4 fouga magisters that flew over
[23:32:14] <Fluburtur> 3 were in a nice tight formation and the last one was doing its own thing
[23:35:47] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/584082506647601164/mission.jpg
[23:42:53] <Neal1> I think I've seen one somewhere