[00:01:09] bwoop [00:01:27] deep sigh [00:08:15] <\oren\> A part called a "kerbal math kit" which is a 2 instrustion per second, zero EC per instruction, kOS module. [00:11:43] kek [00:18:58] that was surprisingly painless [00:19:20] zero EC per instruction? [00:19:22] madness [00:20:28] Pakaran, I'd honestly suggest avoiding any "go here" contracts on kerbin to start [00:20:40] RandomJeb: 2 instructions per second. it's a kerbal doing it by hand [00:20:49] because it's easier to fly a plane, but generally it's not worth the time you spend doing them [00:21:12] same situation as what I said the other day about doing science in specific locations [00:21:56] what I've done with those before.... gone to orbit, redirected to go over the target, and then when over the target, burn retrograde to get 'suborbital' for the completion, then burn prograde again to fix it back to orbital [00:22:11] going to specific spots on kerbin is actually more difficult and time consuming than doing it on the mun, believe it or not [00:22:46] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:22:53] well, you gotta be able to incline properly or bring enough fuel to do that, and I'm not sure where pak's at right now [00:23:05] I remember last time I told him to get a full tank of fuel with pod + landing legs into orbit [00:23:14] after he got a pod up there with a tiny bit of fuel left to deorbit [00:25:25] http://imgur.com/a/qdrKx NeonGen - some pics of the station after the most recent delivery [00:25:45] Fake launch? or was that the real thing just there [00:25:57] Dunkirk, yeah, thanks. [00:26:03] oh it was fake nvm [00:26:49] I just finished my second trip to orbit, same rocket as before just with a thermometer so Jeb could get his star and complete the EVA in orbit and return scientific data from space missions (the later I hadn't accepted before). [00:27:29] there's a few easy biomes to get to [00:27:38] I guess the obvious question is which tank. In any case, I'm starting to think about designs. [00:27:54] you got a bunch of buildings at KSC you can do science at, you got the grasslands, oceans, shores, mountains, and desert [00:27:56] Got desert this time by, honestly, happening to deorbit where I reached it. [00:28:07] you can just go left from ksc to get to the desert [00:28:13] "left", I mean west [00:28:23] there's one out there on the same continent [00:28:53] That may well be the one I found. I got 80% "buyback" on modules, which is better than I expected. [00:29:28] try to get an flt-400 up there with a pod, legs, and some rcs [00:29:36] and a terrier engine [00:29:54] don't use any of the fuel from that tank, get it into orbit full [00:30:08] if you can do that you're in decent shape for getting to the mun [00:30:27] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o Supernovy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [00:30:28] Ah. [00:30:42] And due to the smaller size of the Mun, people don't usually do a separate command module? [00:30:55] you don't have to [00:31:08] even with stock parts you can get home in one piece [00:31:20] Makes sense, thanks. [00:31:26] the easiest way would be to use another decoupler and leave the empty tank on the mun [00:31:38] then you just come home with a smaller engine and less mass in fuel [00:32:04] but then you need more fuel to push the extra engine and weight and stuff to the mun, so it sort of evens out [00:32:29] but in terms of being able to get a particular mass to orbit, what I suggested is a decent target [00:32:41] right, and a fully loaded heat shield is still overkill for entering directly from munar distance? [00:32:57] yeah, you should be able to get away without needing one [00:34:30] right, sorry, if I wanted to second-guess I shouldn't ask. If I *do* need science, I may just put Bob in a "dune buggy" basically built around science gear and go around KSC. [00:34:35] Which has to be faster than goofing with planes! [00:35:28] i did a thing :D [00:35:31] but I'll get designing. [00:35:47] if you get the spark micro engine thing it makes pseudo-apollo style feasible [00:36:05] you land with the terrier and come home with the spark [00:36:22] but you don't redock with anything in orbit [00:36:45] right right [00:36:50] and definitely don't do a crew of 3. [00:36:55] more mass. [00:38:57] Go for launch [00:40:45] Hmm. [00:41:41] yeah, just worry about one for right now [00:41:53] once you start bringing science back from the mun you'll unlock a lot of stuff pretty quickly [00:42:04] that will make it easier to get a 3man pod out there [00:42:28] why am i seeing a craft marker on every screen? [00:43:13] idk, sometimes stuff just glitches out [00:43:39] the hover glow in the vab always ends up sticking for me and I've ended up with an AP marker from another craft's orbit on my screen during launch [00:43:46] it also was doing some kinda 0.5 fps nonsense, went to tracking station, recoverfed the thing, and it is still there [00:44:00] no fps issue tho [00:44:30] ok, so i need to get designing, and I still think I could be better at gravity turns. [00:44:34] I just installed TCA (Throttle Controlled Avionics), and now my right-drag view rotation doesn't work PLUS the camera's rotation + location are wrong in the Space Center screen. Sound familiar to anyone? [00:44:45] may redo those trainings a few times too... hmm [00:45:01] nah, just go for it [00:45:35] do you have kerbal engineer installed? [00:46:05] me? [00:46:08] ULA why you use imperial units :( [00:46:24] no, Pakaran [00:46:38] Action: wagner forgot they were doing a launch tonight [00:47:00] Why don't they have any sats that can watch launches from the top? [00:47:21] because you would just see a little dot? [00:47:35] Well, surely it could track and zoom in [00:47:37] Not even that, really. [00:47:51] they'd have to start charging money even if it could resolve correctly [00:47:54] only if it were a high magnification sensor [00:48:02] that's a lot of money just to put a camera in space to watch a launch [00:48:15] Probably cheaper than a comsat [00:48:16] PPV launches [00:48:18] And it would need to be able to track a fast-moving object against an ever changing background. [00:48:25] also, it wouldn't be over the launch site long enough to film much :p [00:48:42] yeah it would [00:49:05] my save file might be derped -_- [00:49:24] 'course you would have to wait until the overflight happened to coincide with your launch window [00:49:28] Action: Dunkirk makes backups before booting the game every time [00:49:36] Dunkirk, no, I don't. [00:49:54] alright, whenever you get time to, grab Kerbal Engineer Redux [00:50:00] Plus, if the launch has telemetry, they'll know exactly where the rocket is for tracking. They could confirm things like seps and fairing splits visually [00:50:19] for things like delta-v? [00:50:22] They can generally do that from the ground. [00:50:31] it's not even necessarily for you, but when you start building mun rockets and ask people, the info it provides will help [00:50:40] And by "generally," I mean, "from the ground is what they always do." [00:50:45] yeah, dV and TWR will be the most important things you get from it [00:50:55] My new "favorite" metagame for KSP: starting and restarting the damn thing until it gets the graphics mode right :| [00:51:06] I keep hearing to play stock first, but that makes all kinds of sense. [00:51:14] eh, you're still playing stock [00:51:21] it doesn't change anything, it's just more info [00:51:54] even if you just use it in the vab, it helps to have some info if you start asking troubleshooting questions [00:52:09] i felt it was good i learned how to play without mechjeb, but KER should pretty much be stock [00:52:26] like if the vehicle clearly has enough to do what you want it to, then it's obviously a problem with efficiency [00:52:28] heee [00:52:31] I can play without Mechjeb, but i don't want to unless i have to, lol [00:52:52] i play with mechjeb now but im glad i know how to do all of it without it [00:53:02] as a programmer, I think we should embrace our new robotic Jebediahs. [00:53:18] hey mabus ... when I tried to think about how to encorporated some of hte mechjeb stuff into the UI, it started getting complicated ... KSP (vanilla) is rather simple for rocket science, I think they wanted to keep it that way [00:53:32] The game rewards efficiently highly, but there are no tools in the stock game to let you gauge efficiency. [00:53:40] efficiency, even. [00:53:41] (sorry, incorporate the KER stuff into the UI) [00:53:53] ISP? [00:54:10] i feel like at least the ship building delta v map [00:54:14] is essential [00:54:18] err dv chart [00:54:19] nah, I'm talking about ascent profiles re: efficiency [00:54:42] you can lose a lot of dV if you get to orbit poorly [00:54:51] its not like they otherwise teach you how to do the math [00:54:57] no MJ/KER shouldnt be stock -.- [00:55:19] milaga: do it like KER itself does it. they have a couple boxes at the bottom of the editor that show simple statistics... fuel mass, total dv, just a couple items [00:55:42] it could be a window like the engineers report or vessell info [00:55:42] that would be implemented very similarly to werner's advice in the menu bar [00:55:51] http://i.imgur.com/z2v56cq.png [00:55:53] the things on the bottom of he vab window [00:55:55] The game also should not let you know how much fuel you have in your tank. Or what parts your spacecraft is made of. [00:56:03] lol [00:56:19] craft name? "dignity" [00:56:22] also 3rd person camera unrealisic, we should only play IVA or from commmand center [00:56:23] nite all [00:56:25] bwoop [00:56:33] With KER not part of stock, it is a great gateway mod to further moddingh [00:56:43] ^ [00:56:59] so? [00:57:03] mabus: IVA + PCR :) [00:57:07] I'm pretty sure KER was my first mod [00:57:14] sew buttons [00:57:16] polymerase chain reaction? [00:57:16] No, you should play from the newspaper. You should be a Kerbal, sitting in his living room, reading the newspaper to find out how many Kerbals were killed when the randomly generated spacecraft he is not allowed to see crashes into something. [00:57:30] I only play KSP with pencil and paper now. [00:57:49] Except of course, the news is heavily censored. [00:58:03] you should have to write your own .craft files [00:58:05] So he only finds out about successes that may or may not have actually happened. [00:58:51] And then a randomly generated rocket crashes into the house and you have to start a new game. [00:58:56] "Valentina has successfully reached orbit and returned! In other news, Jeb, Bob and Bill have retired from the space agency and public life. Please don't try to find them." [00:59:21] Also, the game should be ascii. [00:59:44] And buy another copy. [01:00:02] > GO NORTH You are in the VAB. [01:00:12] > BUILD ROCKET I don't know how to build. [01:00:17] theres a difference between practical and stupidity, why does every "this mod should be stock" argument evolve into "waa waa you should play from dos with ascii text' [01:00:21] get ye fuel tank [01:00:28] milaga: i would play the hell out of that [01:00:37] It is very smelly. You are likely to be suffocated by hydrazine fumes. [01:01:00] light match [01:01:12] > USE MK1-2 COMMAND POD You are eaten by a Kraken. [01:02:00] "I smell a wumpus." [01:02:21] "You have found the Orb of Zeb!" [01:02:28] idk, I'm iffy about making stuff stock [01:02:39] like I hate the stock toolbar, I move everything I can to blizzy's [01:02:46] I wish they never implemented the stock toolbar [01:03:54] the only things that should go stock is framework, not features, mods bring the features and can update issues continually, stock is several months wait between versions :) [01:04:33] i wish they didnt add the heat/comms/aero, waste of cpu when mods replace it :P [01:05:30] Einarr: You attempt to turn off your SRBs. In a strange twist of fate, the commanding officers are killed and the red shirts survive! [01:06:06] alright, I think I have everything that I need right now on my station [01:06:14] except supplies and stuff [01:06:23] hell partwise i keep barely any stock stuff, whats left VSR replaces, atleast i can delete files to get rid of bits ;p unlike heat/comms/aero heh [01:06:31] everything else is additions from station science [01:07:09] you can turn heat/comms/aero off from the debug menu though right? [01:07:20] but then you feel dirty [01:07:47] but I think his point is that the game has to load additional stuff that you end up replacing [01:07:54] somewhat., and the replacing mods somewhat turn off as well, but still remnants wasting cpu/mem [01:08:13] even at playtime [01:08:16] know what makes me super mad [01:08:22] when mods use stock textures [01:08:27] heh [01:08:44] because I get rid of most stock parts, so I end up having to add the stupid textures back in [01:08:49] i still cant even find a way to remove female kerbals -.- [01:12:45] mineral system (what used to be regolith mod) was one thing added nicely, designed as a framework, no hardcoding in 'ore' [01:13:06] or the contracts stuff :D [01:13:15] yeah, that's probably the best implemented thing so far [01:13:24] I never messed with any contract stuff before they were added [01:14:02] ya things i can tweak to my liking i love :P [01:14:23] kopernicus i might even agree as stock [01:15:14] principia stock - just for chaos purposes ^.^ [01:16:06] other day i met a guy who loved ksp, and we had an argument, lagrange points are appearently fiction :P [01:16:27] hes played stock ksp for years, and no such thing as lagrange points! [01:16:50] I think you could reasonably mimic 4 and 5 [01:17:06] principia have all ^.^ [01:17:10] >_< [01:18:27] I wonder if I should even bother putting an EL station around kerbin [01:18:54] next april fools, principia shoul get put in stock download just as a trol update atleast, just so people can learn what gravity is [01:19:19] what does it do, just make gravity wells? [01:19:30] N body gravity [01:19:39] Lagrange points do not work like phantom SOIs, the gradients around them are weird and complex. As such, it would not be simple to add "reasonably mimicked" lagrange points without going whole hog for multi-body gravity. [01:20:07] which is why principia is fun :D [01:20:32] I mean in terms of the game as it is now, you can put stuff on the same orbit of the body you want, but outside of its soi [01:20:43] it wouldn't be perfect, but you could be reasonably close to where 4 and 5 are [01:21:21] 4 and 5 you can do in stock, to a general point [01:21:34] Dunkirk, I did it :) [01:21:40] With a fair amount of overkill. https://imgur.com/a/ThUZR [01:21:40] http://i.imgur.com/5EEh0P7.png [01:21:44] lagrange points arent just a gravity well, you get pulled to 4, stop at center [01:22:28] the pull is diffedrent in diff directions [01:22:36] I know, I was just wondering how the mod did it [01:22:47] if it just put invisible gravity wells at particular spots or whatever [01:22:51] it calculates N body grav [01:23:11] lagrange points arent technically existant, more a byproduct [01:23:11] The first and, uhm, first/second stages were a 2+2 of thumpers, with one pair thrust limited to 50. [01:23:36] It took off initially *very* slowly, I think I hit the sound barrier around 10 km. [01:24:00] Didn't add legs yet, but given the amount of fuel left in the third stage (which would be transfer), I doubt that will add problems. [01:24:02] if it works, it's not overkill [01:24:11] but that's a good start [01:24:41] see if you can get that setup up there, but with the tank 60% full [01:24:47] around 80km orbit [01:24:52] oh brother, also forgot a decoupler. [01:25:11] jsut guessing, but I think if you had that around 60% full you could land on the mun and return [01:25:16] so I may have been using fourth stage fuel. [01:25:18] might not even need that much [01:25:44] right click on the tank [01:25:49] Dunkirk: nothing is at those points, no fake SOIs, no gravity generation, nothing, it just calculates the gravity pull of every planet, and lagrange points are a byproduct where grav from the bodies just happens to pull to that point [01:25:50] see if it's full or not [01:26:52] I understand how langrange points work, I just wasn't sure what the mod did because I've never used it [01:27:12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point#/media/File:Lagrange_points2.svg [01:27:13] heh, you did forget a decoupler [01:27:14] thanks, it's not quite, but I think it was before an unneeded maneuver. [01:27:16] :) [01:27:31] That's fine, I can still get back down. [01:27:35] everyone should try every mod once :P [01:27:45] I'm not going to attempt a lithodecoupling. [01:27:53] daww [01:28:11] Pakaran: dooo et [01:28:30] pro level KSP is performing an aero-decoupling ... burning off the excess parts in an aerobrake [01:28:49] the thing is then I'd have to get TO the mun with the current engine. [01:28:50] https://imgur.com/a/ThUZR [01:29:14] milaga: nah pro level is performing rocket surgery on ascent :D [01:29:31] Did you also forget a heat sheild? It might be a good thing you've got all those parts (and fuel) left [01:30:53] xShadowx, that's pretty pro [01:31:35] Hmm. In finding Nemo, Marlin and Coral have 400 eggs. But it looks like pretty much every family on the Reef has one child. Is the Barracuda attack a routine thing? [01:31:56] no, the heatshield is there, and this is after deorbit burn. [01:32:15] Perhaps they should have researched the neighborhood more before moving in. [01:32:26] https://imgur.com/a/ThUZR [01:32:32] wait, hang on... [01:32:37] maltesh the children eat their younger siblings until there is only one left [01:33:05] ah, you do have a heat sheild [01:33:15] https://imgur.com/a/EKFMD [01:33:16] http://i.imgur.com/cSwVn64.png [01:33:20] yeah. [01:33:23] I always have the heat sheild shroud on so I never forget it [01:33:38] shroud? Is that a mod thing? [01:35:14] the interesting thing is if I'd done this right, the stage I'm stuck with would have been left in a stable orbit, I'm pretty sure. [01:35:29] http://68.media.tumblr.com/1d8d642c523c6d5662157e4e642ba0f5/tumblr_o6in9kjbfo1uihr8eo1_1280.jpg [01:35:43] attention, science team, Ranger-4 has impacted the Mun [01:35:51] which is also quite realistic... [01:35:54] and the contract didn't complete [01:36:26] If you right click on the heat sheild in the VAB I think you have an option to display a shroud/fairing over it. I thought it was displayed by default. [01:36:33] stock [01:36:46] nothing should burn up on that [01:36:46] ah, thanks. [01:36:54] most stuff can survive reentry from lko [01:37:07] you're more likely to have it torn off via aero [01:37:28] hmm. I've never taken the risk. More reusability is something for later. [01:37:41] come on... spam calls this late at night? [01:37:41] I have had some scary calls with boosters that I thought were going to hit the SC, though. [01:38:03] it takes a fair bit to destroy ksc stuff [01:38:15] odds of a dropped booster doing it are pretty low [01:42:04] god, so many KAC alarms in such a short time [01:42:17] had nothing for like a day and then 3 within 20 mins of each other [01:42:46] Most alarms events can be ignored for several minutes, if need be. [01:43:09] Some of them, for days. [01:43:55] another lesson learned. Don't jettison engines that are still burning. Especially on low throttle. I was lucky to have little fuel left. https://imgur.com/a/ZMMGD [01:43:55] http://i.imgur.com/mNQgNKz.png [01:44:30] ...I've noticed that the kmath bot transforms links. Should I use another image host in place of imgur? I always have ad blocking on so it doesn't bother me. [01:45:43] I assume I'm not the first person to do that, anyhow, lol. [01:46:06] Good thing KSP doesn't have wildfires. [01:46:36] Completely unrelated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKk1RQL-dx8 [01:46:36] YouTube - Wildfire Opening Theme Song [01:49:09] Is that like Rocket Robin Hood for girls? [01:49:33] Nah. It was your typical single-season 80's saturday morning cartoon. [01:49:44] Action: wagner wonders if anyone sells belts explicitly for going through metal detectors [01:50:00] Pakaran: kmath weeds out the image and direct links it, if you notice going to your link gives other crap :P [01:50:24] Only one season. Why? It had horsies! [01:50:29] Probably the only reason I still remember it is because, for years, I remembered the song as "Once upon a time I think / I lived inside a fairy tale / Where someone great was lost / Trampled by a horse / OOOH YEAH." [01:50:44] wait what [01:51:06] It was the 80's, we didn't have a VCR yet, and I was young. [01:51:37] ... carbon fiber belt, with a lifetime guarantee ... [01:52:27] Let me see if I can figure this out. She's a princess, who was taken as a baby to be with some strange single man by a magical horse. And she can summon the horse whenever she wants with a special amulet. [01:52:47] why are they making such a big deal about this thing being nickel free? [01:52:53] And go to the magical land where she fights against the witch, I think. [01:52:59] is "nickel contamination" from your belt buckle actually a thing? [01:53:11] Also, the horse talks because it would be silly if the horse didn't talk. [01:54:03] "Whatever happens to me, Prime Minister...Promise me.... you won't let that horse take my baby...." [01:54:15] dang, Wildfire was voiced by John Vernon [01:54:27] "Um..." "DAMMIT YOU HAD ONE JOB." [01:54:30] *dies* [01:54:32] Jessica Walter, Rene Auberjonois ... it had a cast [01:55:01] apparently people get rashes from belts with nickel in the buckle [01:55:17] because... they're obese, and their belly hangs down over the buckle, i guess [01:55:33] Rene Auberjonois did a lot of voice acting. [01:56:12] Still does, come to think of it. [01:56:24] yeah. his voice is everywhere [01:56:25] yeah, actually I'm remembering that now, he was a big voice in saturday morning I think ... [01:56:49] it's a good gravelly voice, good that he's still doing it [01:57:27] i don't remember his character in boston legal [02:02:31] so i havent looked in a couple yr - whats decently modern for watching cpu temp and cpu/ram usage? [02:04:02] pretty watching? or utilitarian watching? [02:04:25] eh gimme both options :P [02:04:48] i just use the cpuid stuff [02:05:27] been using a gadget on side of screen, nice usage bars and numbers for all of it, but figure might as wel see whats new - since new pc [02:06:17] IMO, if i don't have some specific reason to watch it for testing/debugging, it's just taking up room [02:06:17] kinda like the gadgets, out of the way, always there, having app windows for that stuff seems....too upfront [02:06:40] to me, thats what goes to gadgets :P [02:06:58] if i don't need to see it, it doesn't need to run [02:07:05] 1 clovk, 2/3 for gpu, 4 for the cpu/hdd/ram monitor [02:07:37] i have a watch [02:07:45] i dont ^.^ [02:08:02] and the latter 3, is nice to randomly glance during workloads esp new pc [02:08:18] Action: wagner can't see himself spending $100 on a belt, just so he doesn't have to take it off at airport security [02:09:35] Yeah, just don't wear pants. [02:10:28] ooh! this one is $350 [02:10:53] I know the answer to this, but why carbon fiber, why not something cheap like plastic? [02:11:23] well i expect anything plastic is just going to stress fatigue after a few months [02:11:24] Seems like a plastic belt would be more likely to break. [02:11:30] my old belt didn't set them off [02:11:39] but i don't recall what it was [02:12:00] oh, so it's a belt you can wear on AND off an airplane ... now that is swanky [02:12:16] this new one, does it every time [02:12:35] plus its one of those reversible ones, and the hinge squeaks every time i take a step [02:12:39] it's a piece of junk [02:13:07] can you attach batarangs to it? [02:13:15] maybe [02:13:28] those would have to be CF too [02:13:33] again, metal detector [02:14:16] I'm sure batman uses batarangs made out of undetectnium. Plastic should be fine. [02:15:59] The TSA apparently does not allow you to bring metal batarangs on a plane. [02:16:27] no, but they supposedly don't mind you bringing in 8" utility saws in your back pocket [02:17:07] I see no harm [02:17:29] it's a bit uncomfortable when you sit down on the plane, and discover you forgot it there [02:18:01] it's a bit more uncomfortable when the other passengers discover you brandishing your 8" folding saw [02:18:26] you speak as if from experience [02:18:36] second hand story [02:26:44] alright, mun comsats in place [02:26:59] #KSPOfficial: mode change '+o technicalfool_' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.esper.net [02:27:06] I want to send up an orbital powerplant, but I'm not sure what's good [02:31:53] arg... trying to do this ice cap mission and just made it home, only to crash on runway due to wobbles. :\ [02:33:14] Dunkirk, I circularized with an almost full tank that time, but in an inclined orbit. And went for the Mun, but I think I set up and/or executed the maneuver fairly poorly. [02:33:28] trying to grind away some time while waiting for mun landing site to get back under light [02:33:30] nice [02:33:36] https://imgur.com/a/VQC6O [02:33:36] http://i.imgur.com/0l9xMFL.png [02:33:51] one good thing about kerbal engineer is that it has a data window that shows your orbit stuff [02:33:54] so you don't have to check the map [02:34:03] and you can see your inclination, so you can adjust while you're ascending [02:34:05] thanks [02:34:17] easiest way to judge departure for the mun if you don't have nodes yet [02:34:23] that the one which gives data on either side of the altitude hud box? [02:34:28] What is the max accelleration on a Bussard Ramjet? [02:34:31] yeah, those are the default ones [02:34:37] I have maneuver nodes, yes. [02:34:40] you can customize them, make new ones, move them around [02:34:44] But only one-star pilots. [02:34:49] there away to ajdust the size/position? My screen is a bit small and it hides under the hud box. : [02:34:51] Blaank: probably negative [02:35:00] ah, well, either way, the easiest way to do it is when you see the mun come over kerbin's horizon as you orbit [02:35:07] It has a theoretical top speed I think at which drag overcomes thrust. [02:35:25] basically draw a tangent line from the mun to kerbin where you'll see mun over the horizon and burn prograde there [02:35:29] It's still all theory [02:35:34] Which is why I'm wondering. [02:35:35] that will get you to the mun eventually [02:35:43] well, what's the maximum theoretical exhaust velocity? [02:35:50] there's your maximum vehicle velocity [02:36:06] you can use the same gauge for minmus as well, but it won't account for inclination [02:36:24] I should read Cosmos, shouldn't I? [02:36:25] but even then, if you wait like 4 hours to do the maneuver, I think you can get to any minmus inclination for like 150dv or something [02:36:29] it's not too expensive [02:36:30] and here's my lander. [02:36:32] https://imgur.com/a/i6oSp [02:36:32] http://i.imgur.com/pOwtURn.png [02:36:36] I find on fast accelerating craft, burn after the mun hits over the horizon. On slow acccelerating craft, burn a bit before it even peaks the horizon. [02:36:45] probably on the order of a few million m/s [02:37:01] mind you this is also from around 80km alt... higher up will affect timings a little [02:37:11] not really enough to make a difference [02:37:15] unless you're way up [02:37:20] do any of you guys own any watches with any astronomical complications [02:37:22] even at like 150 you can still do it [02:37:39] it'll get you there eventually if you keep burning [02:37:39] mabus: eh, what now? [02:37:48] like those ones that show you the lunar cycle? [02:37:53] my watch only records the rotation of one planet. [02:37:53] I was just gauging when node tells me burn, and where mun is in relation.. [02:38:03] like an 'equation of time' that shows difference with solar time [02:38:06] cool. I'd have to think a bit about why that works. [02:38:12] accounting for axis wobble and such [02:38:19] I find it hard to move the node around in LKO while zoomed out enough to even see the mun. [02:39:03] you could probably get a smart watch that does that, gps corrected even [02:39:07] On a Hohmann Transfer from a very small orbit to a very large orbit, the transfer time is about 63% of the larger orbit. [02:39:15] 's period. [02:39:49] I dunno, Pakaran, it's just the way we did things before we had manuever nodes [02:39:53] Arg, I mean, the larger orbit will go about 63�. [02:40:07] wagner: yeah but what makes it neat is that it is mechanical [02:40:08] I don't have too much trouble setting up free return flights to the mun.. [02:40:17] And at the typical orbiting altitude, the edge of Kerbin is about 30� below horizontal. [02:40:20] I run into trouble only when my orbit isn't near circular [02:40:21] just wondering if any of you folks had one that was cool enough id buy [02:40:37]